From schneida@seiu.org  Sat Jul  7 14:20:14 2001
From: schneida@seiu.org (Anders Schneiderman)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 09:20:14 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Problems generating list of files/folders
In-Reply-To: <HOEFJDEAFIFBBNANONLNKELNCBAA.jack@digicool.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20010606121740.009fd6c0@larry.seiu.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20010707091455.00a0ad80@larry.seiu.org>

At 02:53 PM 6/6/01 -0400, you wrote:
 >Hello Anders,
 >       Is it as simple as the 'typo' in your email.
 >You call <dtml-var stuff> and the method is called liststuff.
 >I hope it is that simple...

Alas, no.  I'd caught that, but it still doesn't work.  Here's the full 
listing of index_html in my portal skin:
--------------------------
<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<dtml-with portal_properties>
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
  <tr>
<td valign="top" width="80%">
<h1> Welcome to &dtml-title; </h1>
<dl>
  <dt> Overview  </dt>
  <dd> <dtml-var liststuff> </dd>
</dl>

   </td>
   <td valign="top" width="20%">
    <dtml-var news_box>
   </td>
   </tr>
  </table>
Here's another try:
<ul>
<dtml-in objectValues>
    <li><a href="&dtml-absolute_url;"><dtml-var title_or_id></a><br></lr>
</dtml-in>
</ul>
</dtml-with>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>

--------------------------

As you can see, I even put the liststuff code inside index_html, and it 
still doesn't work.  The end result is the following screen:

--------------------------
Overview
To view a folder, click on its name below:

Here's another try:

--------------------------

Any suggestions of what to try next?

Thanks,
Anders



>-Jack
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> > Of Anders Schneiderman
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:30 PM
> > To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> > Subject: [Zope-CMF] Problems generating list of files/folders
> >
> >
> > I've just started playing w/ CMF, and I've run into an odd
> > problem.  I want
> > to change the index_htm method so it automatically lists the files,
> > documents, and folders in the folder that calls it.  So far, I
> > can't get it
> > to work.
> >
> > I created a skin called "seiu" and put a copy of index_html into it via
> > customization (and yes, it's still a DTML Method, not a
> > document).  In the
> > same skin folder, I created a DTML Method called "liststuff", which looks
> > like this:
> > ------------------------------------------
> > DTML Method at /intranet/portal_skins/seiu/liststuff :
> >
> > To view a folder, click on its name below:
> >
> > <ul>
> > <dtml-in expr="objectValues(['Folder', 'File', 'Document'])">
> >     <li><a href="&dtml-absolute_url;"><dtml-var title_or_id></a><br></lr>
> > </dtml-in>
> > </ul>
> > ----------------------------------------
> > To call it I added the following code to index_html in the seiu skin:
> >
> > <dl>
> >   <dt> Overview  </dt>
> >   <dd> <dtml-var stuff> </dd>
> > </dl>
> >
> > If I go to, say, http://localhost:8080/intranet/organizing/, I
> > don't get a
> > list.  However, if I call the method directly --
> > http://localhost:8080/intranet/organizing/liststuff/ -- then it
> > works just
> > fine (w/o, of course, the standard headers). What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anders Schneiderman
> > Information Manager
> > SEIU International
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> > feature requests
> >



From robert@redcor.ch  Sun Jul  1 08:20:30 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:20:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how to override raise ???
Message-ID: <002501c101fe$4f252580$1ba4023e@karin>

Hi there,
CMF used tons of raise statement to signal conditions to the user.
Unfortunately this makes it impossible to translate them to non english
without altering the CMF code.

Is there a way to override the behaviour of raise so I get a chance to
translate any message it might throw at me?

Thank you
Robert

(I know this is not really a CMF question!)



From palomar@sg.uji.es  Sun Jul  1 09:45:02 2001
From: palomar@sg.uji.es (Juan David Ibáñez Palomar)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:45:02 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary
In-Reply-To: <004501c10164$35974cf0$1ba4023e@karin> from "Robert Rottermann" at Jun 30, 2001 02:57:24 PM
Message-ID: <20010701084502.D3016891@nuvol.uji.es>

> 
> There were also some statements regarding the advantage of translating
> sentences versus translating screens. The main argument was that translating
> sentences helps to avoid translating the same sentence more than once.
> My points against this reasoning (stemming from my experience with preparing
> the translation of many non Zope programs) is that not so many sentences are
> repeated.
>

No, in my opinion the main advantage of sentence by sentence translation
is that the logic/presentation and the translations are separated. This
has two benefits: the programmer writes the code, the designer builds
the user interfaces and the translator translates; all of them use familiar
tools, the translator could use the same tools to translate for example
a GNOME application or a Zope product (if Zope supported the same de facto
standard of course) and don't needs to know anything about the technology
(DTML, ZPT, Python, ...).

The other advantage is that the update of the translation to a new
version of the software is easier since usually most of the senteces
remain unchanged.

Some time ago there was an important effort to translate Zope using
zzLocale, a product that follows the approach to translate screens.
It was Zope 2.2, but then Zope 2.3 was released which made important
changes in the web interfaces, and the work was lost.

Sentence by sentence translation should be used in the web interfaces
and in the messages returned by Python code.

But other parts, for example the on-line help system, should use a
different approach, one file per language.


Best regards,
jdavid


From norman@khine.net  Sun Jul  1 11:01:02 2001
From: norman@khine.net (Norman Khine)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:01:02 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Actions when viewing an object
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOAEOBCEAA.norman@khine.net>

Hello,

Is there a way that one can create his/her own actions.

For example in the news box, we have:

<dtml-in "portal_catalog.searchResults( meta_type='News Item'
                                        , sort_on='Date'
                                        , sort_order='reverse'
                                        , review_state='published'
                                        )" size="10">


can I for example add a subject_type criteria. So that I want to be able to
list News Items with a specific subject type.

Many thanks

Norman

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zz/********/z/****\zzz|****\*\zz|*******|z
z/^^^^^^^^/z/******\zz|*^^^^|*|z|*|^^^^^|z norman khine
zzzzzz/**/z|**/^^\**|z|*|zzz|*|z|*|zzzzzzz mailto:norman@khine.net
zzzzz/**/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|****/*/zz|*****|zzz purley
z/******/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|*|^^zzzzz|*|^^^|zzz UK
zzZ/**/zzzz|**\^^/**|z|*|zzzzzzz|*|zzzzzzz
zz/******/zz\******/zz|*|zzzzzzz|*|*****|z
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From openspacemovement@yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 18:17:15 2001
From: openspacemovement@yahoo.com (Darin Arrick)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:17:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Using CMF for a project-centric site?
Message-ID: <20010701171715.4494.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com>

  I'm not new to computers, web development, or
programming, but I am fairly new to both Zope and 
Python (about 2 months of experience in each), so:

  I am trying to create a site with Zope that has
similar functionality to www.sourceforge.net .
Basically, a project-centric site where users can log 
in, create a project (which makes them the admin, and 
they can add more admins if needed), take part in 
projects by contributing content, download content
from
projects, etc. Also, anonymous users can download 
project content (unless marked somehow "no anonymous 
downloads"). This will be a subsection of a currently
running Zope-based site (i.e. domain.com/projects ).

  CMF is user-centric; what I want is project-centric.
Could CMF be tweaked to turn user IDs into project
names? This has been suggested to my by various Zope
and CMF users, so I thought I'd ask here. Is there
another way to go about this? Is there a product or
some other set of products that, combined, could
offer this functionality? CMF seems really close, but
needs some changes to work like I want.

  Any help (or offers of assistance! We're a non-
profit group....) is greatly appreciated.

  Thanks!

Darin Arrick
openspacemovement@yahoo.com
http://www.openspacemovement.org
darrick on irc.openprojects.net #openspace



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From marc@bowery.com  Sun Jul  1 18:59:58 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 13:59:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Using CMF for a project-centric site?
In-Reply-To: <20010701171715.4494.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B764DD5D.2F860%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Darin Arrick <openspacemovement@yahoo.com>
> 
> CMF is user-centric; what I want is project-centric.
> Could CMF be tweaked to turn user IDs into project
> names? This has been suggested to my by various Zope
> and CMF users, so I thought I'd ask here. Is there
> another way to go about this?

You'd still want users, just like sourceforge, right?  So you want to keep
the user-centricity, but add some project-centricity...  there are some
basic tools there to support this, workflow, permissions, CMFTracker, Blark,
but you'll have some programming to do...




From dieter@handshake.de  Sun Jul  1 22:14:18 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:14:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] menu
In-Reply-To: <3B3DB0F1.7570D880@snafu.de>
References: <3B3DB0F1.7570D880@snafu.de>
Message-ID: <15167.37546.95763.202264@lindm.dm>

Christoph Schirmer writes:
 > I would like to integrate a simple navigation menu to the index file;
 > Zope Book and other literature have plenty of methods examples for this.
 > However, all of these do not work when integrated to the index method
 > file. E.g. I have the method sitemap that looks like this:
 > 
 >   <dtml-in "objectValues()">
This works only for DTML Methods.

For unknown reasons, many Zope object classes define
an "objectValues" that simply returns "()" (which is not
very intelligent). Apparently, you met such an object.

You may try:
    <dtml-in "PARENTS[0].objectValues()">


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Sun Jul  1 22:20:05 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:20:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how to override raise ???
In-Reply-To: <002501c101fe$4f252580$1ba4023e@karin>
References: <002501c101fe$4f252580$1ba4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <15167.37893.471961.243468@lindm.dm>

Robert Rottermann writes:
 > CMF used tons of raise statement to signal conditions to the user.
 > Unfortunately this makes it impossible to translate them to non english
 > without altering the CMF code.
 > 
 > Is there a way to override the behaviour of raise so I get a chance to
 > translate any message it might throw at me?
As far as I know, you can not override "raise".

If the CMF uses class exceptions (rather than string exceptions),
then you can override the exception classes (--> HotFix product).

Otherwise, you may have the chance to catch the exceptions
at a high level (-> ZPublisher.HTTPResponse) and translate
them there. This will not work, if the application catches
exceptions locally and provide its own handling.


Dieter


From robert@redcor.ch  Sun Jul  1 23:23:25 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:23:25 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary
References: <20010701084502.D3016891@nuvol.uji.es>
Message-ID: <001301c1027c$7218e940$1ba4023e@karin>

Juan,
I agree with you that each "profession" the designer the programmer and the
translator has to be able to work independently of the rest of the bunch.
This is easy where the visual appearance of the output is of low importance
and only the
message put forward to the user counts. Such is the case where a message is
risen to indicate an error condition or where we use one word menu entries.

But as soon text to display and html code is intermingled things become
tricky.

The following sentence has to be rearranged when translated to German:

<p>This item is in <b>&dtml-review_state;</b> state.</p>
becomes:
<p>Der Status des Elementes ist : <b>&dtml-review_state;</b></p>

This only works when I translate Text and html code together. I can not
separate the two.
This is what I call to translate screen wise.(not all situations are that
straightforward the code might be some paragraphs long)
(is tere an other way to do it ??)

With former translations I was involved with we applied two different
strategies to the solution of this problem. The first one was to tag all
text that was eventually displayed to the user, and batch translated it.
This we used where dynamic translation was not possible.
The other one was to wrap the text in a function call and translate it at
run time.
This of course is "sentence wise translating".  However, the situation was
different in that we did not translate HTML-code but C++ and VB where any
formatting is separated from the text.
And more importantly: It was VERY! hard for the translator to do his job
when he got a couple of thousand pieces of text of which he did not know the
context.
You must know the context to translate. So we are back to translate screen
wise.

The only translating support I can imagine is wrapping "candidates to
translate" into function that render the text translated. (I do not yet
grasp the workings of your approach (building on pythons gettext facility)
but I understand it also wrapps sentences in function calls.)

So the question is who does such wrapping and more importantly will it pay
off.

Will DC do it?
We know their enthusiasm towards such maters. It does not exist.
This is understandable for two reasons. First with making Zope easy
translatable DC does not gain anything with their customers. And secondly DC
is an American company. I believe Americans just have a poor approach
towards such matter. I do not mean that in any way cynical it is just a
question of why should they. Understandably American companies only start to
worry about translation when a significant part of their business comes from
non English speaking countries. And since DC does not ...

Second question: Is it worthwhile to have everything the user eventually
sees wrapped in function calls.
My opinion is no!
I do not mean we should not have any help by DC. However it is enough to
wrap DTML-calls that render a text to display in a function call that
translates them. So instead of  <dtml-var review_state> <dtml-var
"translate(review_state)">. Furthermore all raise statements that render a
displayable text should also be wrapped in such a function. There are a
couple of more things to do but for CMF it would sum up to work for about a
day.

Which I believe they would invest happily.

What would we gain?
To translate CMF did cost us only a few days. This includes translating all
dtml-files and writing functions to translate the action box entries and
similar things.(I will still find some things that are not yet perfect.) A
significant part of the time went into hunting for things we missed or
misinterpreted. The actual translating was less than a day.
I believe that with that little help from our DC friends I can reduce the
time needed to do an adaptation of CMF 1.1 to CMF 1.2 within less than a
day.
This might not include new things. But no matter what translating facility I
have I need to do the first translation anyhow.
The time needed I mentioned above does not include testing. However this
task amounts to about the same what method we might use.

Conclusion:
We need to persuade DC to add translation hooks as I mentioned, and do the
dtml translation by hand.

Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan David Ibáñez Palomar" <palomar@sg.uji.es>
To: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary

> >
> > There were also some statements regarding the advantage of translating
> > sentences versus translating screens. The main argument was that
translating
> > sentences helps to avoid translating the same sentence more than once.
> > My points against this reasoning (stemming from my experience with
preparing
> > the translation of many non Zope programs) is that not so many sentences
are
> > repeated.
> >
>
> No, in my opinion the main advantage of sentence by sentence translation
> is that the logic/presentation and the translations are separated. This
> has two benefits: the programmer writes the code, the designer builds
> the user interfaces and the translator translates; all of them use
familiar
> tools, the translator could use the same tools to translate for example
> a GNOME application or a Zope product (if Zope supported the same de facto
> standard of course) and don't needs to know anything about the technology
> (DTML, ZPT, Python, ...).
>
> The other advantage is that the update of the translation to a new
> version of the software is easier since usually most of the senteces
> remain unchanged.
>
> Some time ago there was an important effort to translate Zope using
> zzLocale, a product that follows the approach to translate screens.
> It was Zope 2.2, but then Zope 2.3 was released which made important
> changes in the web interfaces, and the work was lost.
>
> Sentence by sentence translation should be used in the web interfaces
> and in the messages returned by Python code.
>
> But other parts, for example the on-line help system, should use a
> different approach, one file per language.
>
>
> Best regards,
> jdavid
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>





From openspacemovement@yahoo.com  Mon Jul  2 03:21:59 2001
From: openspacemovement@yahoo.com (Darin Arrick)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:21:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Using CMF for a project-centric site?
Message-ID: <20010702022159.37796.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com>

>> marc lindahl marc@bowery.com
>> CMF is user-centric; what I want is 
>> project-centric. Could CMF be tweaked to turn 
>> user IDs into project names? This has been 
>> suggested to my by various Zope and CMF users, so 
>> I thought I'd ask here. Is there another way to 
>> go about this?
>
> You'd still want users, just like sourceforge, 
> right? 

Yes. But I thought I'd handle users with some other
product, being that the site isn't just this
projects part, but a Squishdot site, some discussion
forums, and some other stuff. Wouldn't I want to use
some sort of "generic user product"?

> So you want to keep the user-centricity, but add 
> some project-centricity...

Um, see above. :-)

> there are some basic tools 
> there to support this, workflow, permissions, 
> CMFTracker, Blark, but you'll have some 
> programming to do...

Well, I'm not against it. But, what sort of scale are
we talking? 2 days of work? 2 weeks of work?
2 months of work? At some point, it isn't worth it.
I know Zope can do these things, but I have NO IDEA
how to go about implementing it yet.

Thanks for the help. I'm still learning. Zope is
really great, but I unfortunately can't spend more
than a few hours a week messing with it. Hence my
hope for a "simple" solution.

I wish I could find a Zope expert who wants to donate
some time and effort to the cause of private space
exploration. <hint hint> If only those people would
e-mail me, I could get some one-on-one help... :-)

Darin Arrick
openspacemovement@yahoo.com
http://www.openspacemovement.org


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From kthangavelu@earthlink.net  Sun Jul  1 23:24:51 2001
From: kthangavelu@earthlink.net (ender)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 15:24:51 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Getting into ZOMA
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106291159480.21484-100000@serenade.digicool.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106291159480.21484-100000@serenade.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <01070115245107.26979@linux>

On Friday 29 June 2001 09:02, Ken Manheimer wrote:
>>
>>It's broken, as far as i know only the search and visiting individual
>>messages works.  (Visiting individual archive folders used to work, but
>>i've been updating the software home out from under the instance.)  It
>>should not be hard to fix, i've made the code available at:
>>
>>  http://cmf.zope.org/Members/klm/ZOMA
>>
>>so anyone who's interested can implement their own.  We won't be fixing it
>>(and the site is going to have to go down, in not too long...)

i'd like to take a look but i get authentication errors on 
MaillistArchive.tar and pop.py when logged in.

i'm curious about the stress testing results and setup.

   setup
   - what was the total size in mbs of a 130K messages around?

   results
    - to what extent was performance impacted?

thanks

kapil


From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul  2 09:38:52 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:38:52 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Using CMF for a project-centric site?
In-Reply-To: <20010701171715.4494.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com>; from openspacemovement@yahoo.com on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 10:17:15AM -0700
References: <20010701171715.4494.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010702093849.A16563@lenin.jamkit.com>

Darin,

(This is really a reply to your most recent mail, which I lost :S)

If you're not familiar with the CMF, you can expect a large project
such as a sourceforge-alike to take anywhere between 2 and 6 weeks of
work (depending on your Zope/python skills).  In fact, the CMF is
ideally suited to the kind of scenario you describe; however, if
you're new to it, it's not always clear how things work or how to do
things. 

I hate to say it, but have you thought of trying sourceforge itself?

  http://sourceforge.net/projects/alexandria/

if you know how to set up apache / php / mysql (I know redhat
installs them out of the box), then setting up a sourceforge will take
you about 30 minutes.

Having said that, if you *do* have perhaps 4 weeks to spare, I'm sure
you'll find you get lots of help from the list.  You'll also enjoy
working with the CMF, and your project could be very useful to
others.  So if you think you've got the time, I'd urge you to go for
it.  

I'm sorry I haven't got the time to help more right now - your project
is very cool.  Good luck :)

seb

* Darin Arrick <openspacemovement@yahoo.com> [010701 18:21]:
> 
>   I'm not new to computers, web development, or
> programming, but I am fairly new to both Zope and 
> Python (about 2 months of experience in each), so:
> 
>   I am trying to create a site with Zope that has
> similar functionality to www.sourceforge.net .
> Basically, a project-centric site where users can log 
> in, create a project (which makes them the admin, and 
> they can add more admins if needed), take part in 
> projects by contributing content, download content
> from
> projects, etc. Also, anonymous users can download 
> project content (unless marked somehow "no anonymous 
> downloads"). This will be a subsection of a currently
> running Zope-based site (i.e. domain.com/projects ).
> 
>   CMF is user-centric; what I want is project-centric.
> Could CMF be tweaked to turn user IDs into project
> names? This has been suggested to my by various Zope
> and CMF users, so I thought I'd ask here. Is there
> another way to go about this? Is there a product or
> some other set of products that, combined, could
> offer this functionality? CMF seems really close, but
> needs some changes to work like I want.
> 
>   Any help (or offers of assistance! We're a non-
> profit group....) is greatly appreciated.
> 
>   Thanks!
> 
> Darin Arrick
> openspacemovement@yahoo.com
> http://www.openspacemovement.org
> darrick on irc.openprojects.net #openspace
> 
> 
> 
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From robert@redcor.ch  Mon Jul  2 09:08:31 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:08:31 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] adding reviewer roles
References: <200106292224.f5TMOcY04332@kodama.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <002701c102ce$3831c970$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

Hi Joe
(one of my favorites. Specially the on played by roy buchanan. But wait,
there is a spelling error ...)
With cmf 1.1 you have to switch on the creation of user folders on.
This is done with the portal_membership tool  -> Configuration-> turn folder
creation on.

Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Little" <jlittle@open-it.org>
To: <zope-cmf@lists.zope.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 12:24 AM
Subject: [Zope-CMF] adding reviewer roles


> >
> > I've scoured the archive and docs, but there seems to be no information
> > published on how to actually publish items. There is mention of a
> > reviewer role, but even after creating a user within the CMF, there is
> > no user in its acl_users folder. I can't seem to find the role
> > "reviewer" anywhere, so I can only get "private" or "pending" documents.
> >
> > Is there any site building tutorial in the works with CMF? I've been
> > piecing stuff together from all over the place.
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 09:28:57 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:28:57 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Nice Javascript
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEGLCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Spotted a nice javascript over the weekend that could be handy for people
building UI forms on top of CMF -

http://webdeveloper.earthweb.com/pagedev/webjs/item/0,3602,12744_51021,00.ht
ml - click "Run the code" to try it

"Allows users to open a new window, choose and remove options from a select
box, then send the data back to the parent window." - freeware

Dunno how I'm going to use it yet, but I'm sure it will come in handy for
the Stylesheet Editor stuff! All suggestions/comments welcome! :-)

HTH

Cheers, Jon

BTW if anyone else has spotted any useful (freeware/open) Javascripts, maybe
they could post links, and we could build up a little list, to save people
looking for GUI ideas having to search the web every time?



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun Jul  1 15:00:31 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 15:00:31 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how to override raise ???
References: <002501c101fe$4f252580$1ba4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <3B3F2CFF.351031D@nipltd.com>

Robert Rottermann wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to override the behaviour of raise so I get a chance to
> translate any message it might throw at me?

What you need is a really high-up try-except that's hookable :-S

try:

...all of zope...

except:
   ...translate here...
   raise <the right thing>

cheers,

Chris




From palomar@sg.uji.es  Mon Jul  2 09:33:28 2001
From: palomar@sg.uji.es (Juan David Ibáñez Palomar)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:33:28 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary
In-Reply-To: <001301c1027c$7218e940$1ba4023e@karin> from "Robert Rottermann" at Jul 02, 2001 12:23:25 AM
Message-ID: <20010702083328.DCE0C86F@nuvol.uji.es>


Hi Robert,

> 
> The following sentence has to be rearranged when translated to German:
> 
> <p>This item is in <b>&dtml-review_state;</b> state.</p>
> becomes:
> <p>Der Status des Elementes ist : <b>&dtml-review_state;</b></p>
> 
> This only works when I translate Text and html code together. I can not
> separate the two.
> This is what I call to translate screen wise.(not all situations are that
> straightforward the code might be some paragraphs long)
> (is tere an other way to do it ??)
> 

The same way:

 <p><dtml-var "gettext('This item is in <b>%s</b> state.') % review_state"></p>

The german .po file would look:

 msgid "This item is in <b>%s</b> state."
 msgstr "Der Status des Elementes ist : <b>%s</b>"

Obviously you can put the <b></b> out:

 <p><dtml-var "gettext('This item is in %s state.') % ('<b>%s</b>' % review_state)"></p>


[...]
> You must know the context to translate. So we are back to translate screen
> wise.
> 

Being aware of the problem you'll try to write sentences as least
ambiguous as possible so only a few of them will really have different
translations. And there're workarounds for that, such as using ids for
sentences and provide also the english "translation".

We're not inventing anything new here, these are the same problems lot of
people has faced for years.


[...]
> 
> Will DC do it?
> We know their enthusiasm towards such maters. It does not exist.
> This is understandable for two reasons. First with making Zope easy
> translatable DC does not gain anything with their customers. And secondly DC
> is an American company. I believe Americans just have a poor approach
> towards such matter. I do not mean that in any way cynical it is just a
> question of why should they. Understandably American companies only start to
> worry about translation when a significant part of their business comes from
> non English speaking countries. And since DC does not ...
> 

Well, this a question for DC, but I think they're very interested in
i18n support as the SALO project, currently on hold, shows:

  http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/SkinnableAndLocalizableObjects

I expect more movement on this once Zope 2.4 is released, which includes
Python 2.1, which has two important new features: unicode support and the
gettext module.


[...]
> 
> Conclusion:
> We need to persuade DC to add translation hooks as I mentioned, and do the
> dtml translation by hand.
> 

I understand there's lot of people that needs i18n *now*, so a quick
solution could and should be implemented.

<advertisement>
And it would be great if the CMF developers looked at the Localizer
product and internationalized the CMF using it :)
</advertisement>

Seriously, I don't oppose to the CMF developers implementing your
solution, but hope Zope will use gettext to provide i18n support
in the future.


Cheers,
jdavid


From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul  2 10:49:08 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:49:08 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Nice Javascript
In-Reply-To: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEGLCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>; from jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:28:57AM +0100
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEGLCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20010702104908.D16563@lenin.jamkit.com>

Just a quick point - lots of people dislike javascript, even though
it's often very useful, because of browser incompatabilities and 
accessibility issues (try navigating round a site which uses pop ups
if you're using a screen reader).  So I'd be really happy if any cool
new stylesheet enhancements always had a non-javascript skin.  Kind of 
obvious but worth pointing out, because I know there's quite a few
fellow js fascists lurking around.  Having said that, I think any UI 
improvements for js moderates are an excellent thing (especially your
editing widget), so keep up the good work :-)

seb

* Jon Edwards <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> [010702 09:32]:
> Spotted a nice javascript over the weekend that could be handy for people
> building UI forms on top of CMF -
> 
> http://webdeveloper.earthweb.com/pagedev/webjs/item/0,3602,12744_51021,00.ht
> ml - click "Run the code" to try it
> 
> "Allows users to open a new window, choose and remove options from a select
> box, then send the data back to the parent window." - freeware
> 
> Dunno how I'm going to use it yet, but I'm sure it will come in handy for
> the Stylesheet Editor stuff! All suggestions/comments welcome! :-)
> 
> HTH
> 
> Cheers, Jon
> 
> BTW if anyone else has spotted any useful (freeware/open) Javascripts, maybe
> they could post links, and we could build up a little list, to save people
> looking for GUI ideas having to search the web every time?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests

-- 

   [] j a m k i t 
           
        seb bacon
T:  020 7749 7218
F:  020 7739 8683
M:  07968 301 336
W: www.jamkit.com 


From rpijlman@wanadoo.nl  Mon Jul  2 10:45:27 2001
From: rpijlman@wanadoo.nl (Rene Pijlman)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:45:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFizing product?
Message-ID: <BEELJGLKPCMDGFENPBPNIEOMDIAA.rpijlman@wanadoo.nl>

I'm about to develop a Python-based product which introduces new
content types and I'm wondering if I should make it pure Zope or
CMFized.

Is there any documentation on developing CMFized products? What
are the minimal requirements to integrate with CMF? Any good
examples?

Also, what are the relative merits of implementing my content
type as a CMF-type (using the type tool?) vs. a ZClass or Python
class?

TIA,
René Pijlman



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 10:43:57 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:43:57 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] sort of OT- Nice Javascript
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEGLCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <20010702104908.D16563@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <005301c102db$96319610$0102a8c0@typhoon>

Jon,

If you want to see some nice JavaScript, take a look at WebMin
(http://www.webmin.com).

The interface is not too great, functional at best, but it does some clever
stuff with filling lists in separate windows etc.  V. Clever.

Phil

----- Original Message -----
From: "seb bacon" <seb@jamkit.com>
To: "Jon Edwards" <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Cc: "Zope-Cmf" <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Nice Javascript


> Just a quick point - lots of people dislike javascript, even though
> it's often very useful, because of browser incompatabilities and
> accessibility issues (try navigating round a site which uses pop ups
> if you're using a screen reader).  So I'd be really happy if any cool
> new stylesheet enhancements always had a non-javascript skin.  Kind of
> obvious but worth pointing out, because I know there's quite a few
> fellow js fascists lurking around.  Having said that, I think any UI
> improvements for js moderates are an excellent thing (especially your
> editing widget), so keep up the good work :-)
>
> seb
>
> * Jon Edwards <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> [010702 09:32]:
> > Spotted a nice javascript over the weekend that could be handy for
people
> > building UI forms on top of CMF -
> >
> >
http://webdeveloper.earthweb.com/pagedev/webjs/item/0,3602,12744_51021,00.ht
> > ml - click "Run the code" to try it
> >
> > "Allows users to open a new window, choose and remove options from a
select
> > box, then send the data back to the parent window." - freeware
> >
> > Dunno how I'm going to use it yet, but I'm sure it will come in handy
for
> > the Stylesheet Editor stuff! All suggestions/comments welcome! :-)
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Cheers, Jon
> >
> > BTW if anyone else has spotted any useful (freeware/open) Javascripts,
maybe
> > they could post links, and we could build up a little list, to save
people
> > looking for GUI ideas having to search the web every time?
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>
> --
>
>    [] j a m k i t
>
>         seb bacon
> T:  020 7749 7218
> F:  020 7739 8683
> M:  07968 301 336
> W: www.jamkit.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 11:25:54 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:25:54 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] sort of OT- Nice Javascript
In-Reply-To: <005301c102db$96319610$0102a8c0@typhoon>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHAEHBCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Thanks Phil!

I think your point is very valid Seb!

My thinking is that javascript-goodies should fit in with the "CMF
Philosophy" of directly-replaceable tools (or whatever the proper tech term
is for that!). i.e in the same way that a new workflow-tool can be slotted
in to directly replace default-workflow, a javascript-goody can be slotted
in to replace an existing edit-form.

For example, if we put together a set of UI scripts for editing/creating
stylesheets, they should have a facility to save the result as
default_stylesheet if desired?

That way, people putting together a CMF-based system can pick-and-choose
editing tools, in the same way they can pick-and-choose portal-tools.

I'm not sure I explained that very well, is that the same point you were
making Seb? :-)

Cheers, Jon


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Harris [mailto:phil.harris@zope.co.uk]

> If you want to see some nice JavaScript, take a look at WebMin
> (http://www.webmin.com).
>

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "seb bacon" <seb@jamkit.com>

> > Just a quick point - lots of people dislike javascript, even though
> > it's often very useful, because of browser incompatabilities and
> > accessibility issues (try navigating round a site which uses pop ups
> > if you're using a screen reader).  So I'd be really happy if any cool
> > new stylesheet enhancements always had a non-javascript skin.



From khine@btinternet.com  Mon Jul  2 12:11:43 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:11:43 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Topics Help
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOCEOHCKAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hello,
Can someone please, show me how to display the topics objects on the index
page for the cmf. similarly like the current cmf.zope.org site.

I am having great difficulties in understanding the structure, so far my
understanding is that --

topics can be added by authorised users.
these topics should be placed in the root folder of the user.

how do you associate a document type to a topic, I can see you can set these
perhaps in the criteria, is this correct?

how do you call a topics object?

Many thanks

Norman





From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon Jul  2 12:15:29 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:15:29 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Topics Help
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOCEOHCKAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3B4057D1.36789D21@nipltd.com>

Norman Khine wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Can someone please, show me how to display the topics objects on the index
> page for the cmf. similarly like the current cmf.zope.org site.

A topic is a canned ZCatalog query...

Chris


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 12:46:07 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:46:07 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Using CMF for a project-centric site?
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHKEHBCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Hi Darrin,

(All comments below are, of course, IMHO!)

I think the short answer to your question is... Depends how soon you need a
solution!  :-)

If you want Souceforge functionality urgently, I'd go for Seb's suggestion
of using the sourceforge code.

On the other hand, if it's not urgent, you'll probably benefit from greater
integration with the rest of your site if you look at a CMF-based option.

I seem to remember a couple of people have asked similar questions, but
can't find the posts at the moment. A search through the archives -
http://zope.nipltd.com/public/lists/ptk-archive.nsf/$$Search?OpenForm -
might reveal some potential collaborators?

You can see the CMF Tracker that Marc mentioned here -
http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker - I thought you could download it
as a product, but I can't find any links, so I may be wrong?

I'd agree with other replies that have recommended keeping the
user-centricity of CMF. Have a look at some of the workgroup-related
discussions -

http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-June/007537.html
http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-June/007578.html
http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-June/007577.html

- a "workgroup" isn't a million miles away from a "project"!

I think there's a lot of people (me included) who are looking at this kind
of functionality, so you may get more help/support if you follow this route?
You could use the Workgroup ideas as your foundation, then add more
sourceforge-like facilities as optional-extras.

We're looking at workgroups/project-groups for intranets and to help large
organisations collaborate around websites, so if you take this route, I'd be
interested in collaborating. (We're producing open-source stuff for the
healthcare/medical sector, so ours is in a good cause too  ;-)

HTH

Cheers, Jon



From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul  2 13:23:05 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:23:05 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Topics Help
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOCEOHCKAA.khine@btinternet.com>; from khine@btinternet.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 12:11:43PM +0100
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOCEOHCKAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <20010702132304.E16563@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Norman Khine <khine@btinternet.com> [010702 12:11]:
> Hello,
> Can someone please, show me how to display the topics objects on the index
> page for the cmf. similarly like the current cmf.zope.org site.
> 
> I am having great difficulties in understanding the structure, so far my
> understanding is that --
> 
> topics can be added by authorised users.
> these topics should be placed in the root folder of the user.

yes

> 
> how do you associate a document type to a topic, I can see you can set these
> perhaps in the criteria, is this correct?

i think so (don't have a cmf w/ topics in front of me)

> how do you call a topics object?

from a url, like:

  http://www.yousite.com/portal/topic

and the 'view' action is called automatically.  The method for this
action is in CMFTopic/skins/topic/topic_view.dtml.

If you want to add topics to the site 'home page', you need to add
code based on topic_view to index_html.  As Chris says, it's just a
normal Catalog query.

seb


From robert@redcor.ch  Mon Jul  2 13:02:30 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:02:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary
References: <20010702083328.DCE0C86F@nuvol.uji.es>
Message-ID: <006b01c102ee$e9962dd0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

Juan,
I know that the solution I propose is anything but perfect. However it is
easy enough to be executed imeatetly, and good enough to merit to be
executed.
"Your" approach is far better, but needs more work from the CMF core team as
we can expect them to be willing to provide.
I was looking for a 20/80% solution. 20% of the effort and 20% of the
effect.

Robert
PS I will look mor closely into your solution. However I need a German CMF
running by the end of the month. And it must be translated to french by the
end of August (or I dont get my bills payed)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan David Ibáñez Palomar" <palomar@sg.uji.es>
To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
Cc: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary


>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> >
> > The following sentence has to be rearranged when translated to German:
> >
> > <p>This item is in <b>&dtml-review_state;</b> state.</p>
> > becomes:
> > <p>Der Status des Elementes ist : <b>&dtml-review_state;</b></p>
> >
> > This only works when I translate Text and html code together. I can not
> > separate the two.
> > This is what I call to translate screen wise.(not all situations are
that
> > straightforward the code might be some paragraphs long)
> > (is tere an other way to do it ??)
> >
>
> The same way:
>
>  <p><dtml-var "gettext('This item is in <b>%s</b> state.') %
review_state"></p>
>
> The german .po file would look:
>
>  msgid "This item is in <b>%s</b> state."
>  msgstr "Der Status des Elementes ist : <b>%s</b>"
>
> Obviously you can put the <b></b> out:
>
>  <p><dtml-var "gettext('This item is in %s state.') % ('<b>%s</b>' %
review_state)"></p>
>
>
> [...]
> > You must know the context to translate. So we are back to translate
screen
> > wise.
> >
>
> Being aware of the problem you'll try to write sentences as least
> ambiguous as possible so only a few of them will really have different
> translations. And there're workarounds for that, such as using ids for
> sentences and provide also the english "translation".
>
> We're not inventing anything new here, these are the same problems lot of
> people has faced for years.
>
>
> [...]
> >
> > Will DC do it?
> > We know their enthusiasm towards such maters. It does not exist.
> > This is understandable for two reasons. First with making Zope easy
> > translatable DC does not gain anything with their customers. And
secondly DC
> > is an American company. I believe Americans just have a poor approach
> > towards such matter. I do not mean that in any way cynical it is just a
> > question of why should they. Understandably American companies only
start to
> > worry about translation when a significant part of their business comes
from
> > non English speaking countries. And since DC does not ...
> >
>
> Well, this a question for DC, but I think they're very interested in
> i18n support as the SALO project, currently on hold, shows:
>
>
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/SkinnableAndLocalizableObjects
>
> I expect more movement on this once Zope 2.4 is released, which includes
> Python 2.1, which has two important new features: unicode support and the
> gettext module.
>
>
> [...]
> >
> > Conclusion:
> > We need to persuade DC to add translation hooks as I mentioned, and do
the
> > dtml translation by hand.
> >
>
> I understand there's lot of people that needs i18n *now*, so a quick
> solution could and should be implemented.
>
> <advertisement>
> And it would be great if the CMF developers looked at the Localizer
> product and internationalized the CMF using it :)
> </advertisement>
>
> Seriously, I don't oppose to the CMF developers implementing your
> solution, but hope Zope will use gettext to provide i18n support
> in the future.
>
>
> Cheers,
> jdavid
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>



From palomar@sg.uji.es  Mon Jul  2 13:17:32 2001
From: palomar@sg.uji.es (Juan David Ibáñez Palomar)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:17:32 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary
In-Reply-To: <006b01c102ee$e9962dd0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky> from "Robert Rottermann" at Jul 02, 2001 02:02:30 PM
Message-ID: <20010702121732.533DF8EF@nuvol.uji.es>

I understand that, and really hope the CMF developers will hear you and
implement your solution.

Cheers,
jdavid


> 
> Juan,
> I know that the solution I propose is anything but perfect. However it is
> easy enough to be executed imeatetly, and good enough to merit to be
> executed.
> "Your" approach is far better, but needs more work from the CMF core team as
> we can expect them to be willing to provide.
> I was looking for a 20/80% solution. 20% of the effort and 20% of the
> effect.
> 
> Robert
> PS I will look mor closely into your solution. However I need a German CMF
> running by the end of the month. And it must be translated to french by the
> end of August (or I dont get my bills payed)
> 


From craig.dunigan@esker.com  Mon Jul  2 14:59:09 2001
From: craig.dunigan@esker.com (Dunigan, Craig)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:59:09 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF for intranets?
Message-ID: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DE03D@EXCH-MDSN-USA>

Jon,

Yes, I have seen DocumentLibrary, and I like it very much.  I've been
considering using that for old doc's, and forcing new doc's to be created
through CMF.  That way, I can bypass fixing the filedate problem myself,
since DocumentLibrary provides a nice clean interface to do it.  Of course,
I could just steal their code, too .... ;-)

One thought regarding DocumentLibrary, and I'll even copy this to Casey so
he can see it, too.  It would about double its usefullness to me if it could
index Excel doc's as well as Word.  Just a hopeful thought.

Craig Dunigan
Web Programmer
Esker Software - Extending the Reach of Information
mailto:craig.dunigan@esker.com
Ph. 608.273.6000
Fax 608.273.8227
http://www.esker.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Edwards [mailto:jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 5:47 AM
> To: Seb Bacon; Zope-Cmf
> Cc: craig.dunigan@esker.com
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF for intranets? 
> 
> 
> Hi Craig,
> 
> Have you seen Kaivo's Document Library product?
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/DocumentLibrary
> 
> Incidentally does anyone know if Kaivo have any plans to CMF-ise this
> product? Anyone from Kaivo on this list?
> 
> It seems to me it already has a lot in common with CMF - uses 
> Dublin Core
> metadata, Topic Index, Document Submission and Review.
> 
> Cheers, Jon
> 


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Mon Jul  2 15:23:21 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 08:23:21 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF for intranets?
References: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DE03D@EXCH-MDSN-USA>
Message-ID: <3B4083D9.336BE4BF@kaivo.com>

"Dunigan, Craig" wrote:
> 
> Jon,
> 
> Yes, I have seen DocumentLibrary, and I like it very much.  I've been
> considering using that for old doc's, and forcing new doc's to be created
> through CMF.  That way, I can bypass fixing the filedate problem myself,
> since DocumentLibrary provides a nice clean interface to do it.  Of course,
> I could just steal their code, too .... ;-)
> 
> One thought regarding DocumentLibrary, and I'll even copy this to Casey so
> he can see it, too.  It would about double its usefullness to me if it could
> index Excel doc's as well as Word.  Just a hopeful thought.
> 

Ask and you shall receive...

http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/DocumentLibrary/0.5-Release

Enjoy.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 15:48:34 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:48:34 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF for intranets?
In-Reply-To: <3B4083D9.336BE4BF@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEHDCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Casey, does the same logic apply if I ask you to "CMF-ise" DocumentLibrary?
;-)

Is there a magic lamp somewhere I should rub??

Cheers, Jon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cduncan@kaivo.com [mailto:cduncan@kaivo.com]
> Sent: 02 July 2001 15:23
> To: Dunigan, Craig
> Cc: 'Jon Edwards'; 'zope-cmf@zope.org'
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF for intranets?
>
>
> "Dunigan, Craig" wrote:
> >
> > Jon,
> >
> > Yes, I have seen DocumentLibrary, and I like it very much.  I've been
> > considering using that for old doc's, and forcing new doc's to
> be created
> > through CMF.  That way, I can bypass fixing the filedate problem myself,
> > since DocumentLibrary provides a nice clean interface to do it.
>  Of course,
> > I could just steal their code, too .... ;-)
> >
> > One thought regarding DocumentLibrary, and I'll even copy this
> to Casey so
> > he can see it, too.  It would about double its usefullness to
> me if it could
> > index Excel doc's as well as Word.  Just a hopeful thought.
> >
>
> Ask and you shall receive...
>
> http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/DocumentLibrary/0.5-Release
>
> Enjoy.
>
> --
> | Casey Duncan
> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
> `------------------>
>



From craig.dunigan@esker.com  Mon Jul  2 15:53:29 2001
From: craig.dunigan@esker.com (Dunigan, Craig)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:53:29 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF for intranets?
Message-ID: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DE03F@EXCH-MDSN-USA>

Casey, you're my hero!

Craig 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Casey Duncan [mailto:cduncan@kaivo.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:23 AM
> To: Dunigan, Craig
> Cc: 'Jon Edwards'; 'zope-cmf@zope.org'
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF for intranets?
> 
> 
> "Dunigan, Craig" wrote:
> > 
> > Jon,
> > 
> > Yes, I have seen DocumentLibrary, and I like it very much.  
> I've been
> > considering using that for old doc's, and forcing new doc's 
> to be created
> > through CMF.  That way, I can bypass fixing the filedate 
> problem myself,
> > since DocumentLibrary provides a nice clean interface to do 
> it.  Of course,
> > I could just steal their code, too .... ;-)
> > 
> > One thought regarding DocumentLibrary, and I'll even copy 
> this to Casey so
> > he can see it, too.  It would about double its usefullness 
> to me if it could
> > index Excel doc's as well as Word.  Just a hopeful thought.
> > 
> 
> Ask and you shall receive...
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/DocumentLibrary/0.5-Release
> 
> Enjoy.
> 
> -- 
> | Casey Duncan
> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
> `------------------>
> 


From gitte@babytux.dk  Mon Jul  2 16:19:56 2001
From: gitte@babytux.dk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Gitte=20Wange?=)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:19:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Creating new portal type based on Document
Message-ID: <20010702151956.23709.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I was trying to create a new portal type based on Document. Actually it
should be like document for now - only that it is an article :-))
Later on I will create some new views etc.

I added a new factory based type information, gave it an id of
'Article' and set it to use the default type information from
CMFDefault: Document.
I changed the meta type on the properties tab to Article.

Now I know that the Document is an FS-based product and that the meta
type is hard-coded into the class but I thought that there was somehow
to avoid this.
I have added some "articles" to my portal. When I go to the search
screen and search for content with type=Article it finds my articles -
and only them (as I want I to *S*).
Then I have created a page to list the articles (for now just list them
- later on I will make it more sophisticated). I have copy/pasted the
code from the recent_news method and changed the search for News Item
into Article (the meta_type argument). But it finds nothing (guess it's
because the article type is based on the document type).

I saw at the search page that it could list the type as 'Article'. In
the code it uses the property missing-Type.

Is there a way that I can search the catalog for missing-Type='Article'
instead of meta_type='Article' (which won't work)

Regards,
Gitte Wange

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From Stephen.Boddy@btcellnet.net  Mon Jul  2 16:22:45 2001
From: Stephen.Boddy@btcellnet.net (Boddy Stephen)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:22:45 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] (no subject)
Message-ID: <5E5EEA049DAED31195A10008C7A4385B1FFF86@skye.cellnet.co.uk>

Please can someone explain why this works for a Reviewer, but not a Member,
or Anonymous user. (I want the published links to be viewable by anyone)

<dtml-if ProjIndex>

  <dtml-in "ProjIndex.contentItems(filter={'Type':['Favorite', 'Link']})"
sort=id>
    <div><a href="&dtml-remote_url;">&dtml-title_or_id;</a></div>
  <dtml-else>
    <div>No entries yet.</div>
  </dtml-in>

</dtml-if>

Turning off Access future portal content & Review portal content (which are
the only security settings different from Member) for Reviewers makes no
difference, it still works! From what I can tell in the source, contentItems
is public, but then the problem is occuring before that when looking for
ProjIndex. From viewing the generated source it does not appear to be
detecting the folder ProjIndex in the current folder. Removing the dtml-if
statements causes the page to throw an exception for Members.

Thanks in advance
Steve



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From scott.meilicke@intp.com  Mon Jul  2 16:29:56 2001
From: scott.meilicke@intp.com (Meilicke, Scott)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:29:56 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Topics Help
Message-ID: <A0CB750E1402D511A47600A0C9E110D11261E8@IWA-MERCURY>

What I have done is to cut all of the code from topics_view except for the
header and footer, and placed it into topics_body.  In topics_view I have:

<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<dtml-var topic_body>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>

You can then use a <dtml-with> tag to get into the correct context, and call
your portal content.

With a topic structure of /topics/images:

<dtml-with expr="topics">
<dtml-with expr="images">
<dtml-var topic_body>
</dtml-with> 
</dtml-with> 

Anyone know a better way than the nested dtml-with tags?

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: seb bacon [mailto:seb@jamkit.com]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:23 AM
To: Norman Khine
Cc: Zope-Cmf
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Topics Help



* Norman Khine <khine@btinternet.com> [010702 12:11]:
> Hello,
> Can someone please, show me how to display the topics objects on the index
> page for the cmf. similarly like the current cmf.zope.org site.
> 
> I am having great difficulties in understanding the structure, so far my
> understanding is that --
> 
> topics can be added by authorised users.
> these topics should be placed in the root folder of the user.

yes

> 
> how do you associate a document type to a topic, I can see you can set
these
> perhaps in the criteria, is this correct?

i think so (don't have a cmf w/ topics in front of me)

> how do you call a topics object?

from a url, like:

  http://www.yousite.com/portal/topic

and the 'view' action is called automatically.  The method for this
action is in CMFTopic/skins/topic/topic_view.dtml.

If you want to add topics to the site 'home page', you need to add
code based on topic_view to index_html.  As Chris says, it's just a
normal Catalog query.

seb

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From gitte@babytux.dk  Mon Jul  2 16:43:30 2001
From: gitte@babytux.dk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Gitte=20Wange?=)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:43:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Weird error when adding a Blark in portal
Message-ID: <20010702154330.58467.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello again,

I have tried to add a Blark weblog in the 'My Stuff' folder in my
portal. When I have hitted the add button on of these login prompts
show up. I try to login again - but all I get is an error. The error
is:

Unauthorized

You are not authorized to access owner_info.

What is owner_info `???
And where do I allow members to have access to this ?

I use CMFOptions 1.0 and CMF 1.1

Regards,
Gitte Wange

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From jlittle@open-it.org  Mon Jul  2 16:53:00 2001
From: jlittle@open-it.org (Joe Little)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:53:00 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] adding reviewer roles
In-Reply-To: <002701c102ce$3831c970$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
Message-ID: <200107021552.f62FqnY23432@kodama.stanford.edu>

pray tell how you use that tool? I click on it and all I get are 
"ownership" and "undo" tags. I'm still searching for some documentation 
on how you use any of the tools, which only show ownership tags and have 
no instantiation other than that.

On Monday, July 2, 2001, at 01:08  AM, Robert Rottermann wrote:

> Hi Joe
> (one of my favorites. Specially the on played by roy buchanan. But wait,
> there is a spelling error ...)
> With cmf 1.1 you have to switch on the creation of user folders on.
> This is done with the portal_membership tool  -> Configuration-> turn 
> folder
> creation on.
>
> Robert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Little" <jlittle@open-it.org>
> To: <zope-cmf@lists.zope.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 12:24 AM
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] adding reviewer roles
>
>
>>>
>>> I've scoured the archive and docs, but there seems to be no 
>>> information
>>> published on how to actually publish items. There is mention of a
>>> reviewer role, but even after creating a user within the CMF, there is
>>> no user in its acl_users folder. I can't seem to find the role
>>> "reviewer" anywhere, so I can only get "private" or "pending" 
>>> documents.
>>>
>>> Is there any site building tutorial in the works with CMF? I've been
>>> piecing stuff together from all over the place.
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>>
>> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and 
>> feature
> requests
>>
>


From jeff@janix.com  Mon Jul  2 17:11:40 2001
From: jeff@janix.com (Jeff Sasmor)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:11:40 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Weird error when adding a Blark in portal
References: <20010702154330.58467.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <074001c10311$c2e772c0$1a931340@NETKOOK>

CMFOptions 1.0 will not work in CMFOptions 1.1
You need CMFOptions 1.1, available on Zope.org
Jeff

Jeff Sasmor
jeff@sasmor.com
www.netkook.com is an "open Zope CMF site"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gitte Wange" <gitte_wj@yahoo.com>
To: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:43 AM
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Weird error when adding a Blark in portal


> Hello again,
>
> I have tried to add a Blark weblog in the 'My Stuff' folder in my
> portal. When I have hitted the add button on of these login prompts
> show up. I try to login again - but all I get is an error. The error
> is:
>
> Unauthorized
>
> You are not authorized to access owner_info.
>
> What is owner_info `???
> And where do I allow members to have access to this ?
>
> I use CMFOptions 1.0 and CMF 1.1
>
> Regards,
> Gitte Wange
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Har du en sp=E6ndende hobby?
> Find andre med samme interesse i Yahoo! Grupper - der er hundredevis af
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> Yahoo! Grupper finder du p=E5 adressen: http://dk.groups.yahoo.com
>
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
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e
requests
>



From klm@digicool.com  Mon Jul  2 17:09:09 2001
From: klm@digicool.com (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:09:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Getting into ZOMA
In-Reply-To: <01070115245107.26979@linux>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107021044430.21484-100000@serenade.digicool.com>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, ender wrote:

> On Friday 29 June 2001 09:02, Ken Manheimer wrote:
> >>
> >>It's broken, as far as i know only the search and visiting individual
> >>messages works.  (Visiting individual archive folders used to work, but
> >>i've been updating the software home out from under the instance.)  It
> >>should not be hard to fix, i've made the code available at:
> >>
> >>  http://cmf.zope.org/Members/klm/ZOMA
> >>
> >>so anyone who's interested can implement their own.  We won't be fixing it
> >>(and the site is going to have to go down, in not too long...)
> 
> i'd like to take a look but i get authentication errors on 
> MaillistArchive.tar and pop.py when logged in.

Hmmph - sorry about that!  I have explicitly enabled 'View' permission
to Anonymous and Member for both those files, so i figure you should be
able to get at them now.  I'm not certain (seems roundabout!), so let me
know if you continue to encounter problems, and i'll retry.

> i'm curious about the stress testing results and setup.
> 
>    setup
>    - what was the total size in mbs of a 130K messages around?

The db is 681 MB after pack.  The uncompressed source mboxes total around
291 MB.

>    results
>     - to what extent was performance impacted?

I'm afraid i don't have a lot to offer, there, beyond the subjective
experience of doing searches.  

I was just reminded how sensitive that experience is to packing, though. I
just packed the db (a while back i tried to copy the messages to a new
location, and neglected to pack it then), and searches that were taking 6
seconds or so are now happening in less than 1 second!  I thought i
remembered it being that fast - it's very striking to get such quick
results, for 130k messages.  For those of you that have tried it, give it
a try again.

(Note that this performance could probably be achieved, with less db
bloat, but using a remote data store like ldap, and ZODB-resident
surrogates for individual messages.  This is an interesting
alternative...)

Ken
klm@digicool.com




From jeff@janix.com  Mon Jul  2 17:41:16 2001
From: jeff@janix.com (Jeff Sasmor)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:41:16 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Weird error when adding a Blark in portal
References: <20010702154330.58467.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <075701c10315$e58ffd20$1a931340@NETKOOK>

Oops, let me try that again! I meant to say -

CMFOptions 1.0 will not work in CMF 1.1
You need CMFOptions 1.1, available on Zope.org
Jeff



Jeff Sasmor
jeff@sasmor.com
www.netkook.com is an "open Zope CMF site"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gitte Wange" <gitte_wj@yahoo.com>
To: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:43 AM
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Weird error when adding a Blark in portal


> Hello again,
>
> I have tried to add a Blark weblog in the 'My Stuff' folder in my
> portal. When I have hitted the add button on of these login prompts
> show up. I try to login again - but all I get is an error. The error
> is:
>
> Unauthorized
>
> You are not authorized to access owner_info.
>
> What is owner_info `???
> And where do I allow members to have access to this ?
>
> I use CMFOptions 1.0 and CMF 1.1
>
> Regards,
> Gitte Wange
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Har du en sp=E6ndende hobby?
> Find andre med samme interesse i Yahoo! Grupper - der er hundredevis af
danske grupper at v=E6lge imellem om alt mellem himmel og jord.
> Yahoo! Grupper finder du p=E5 adressen: http://dk.groups.yahoo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and featur=
e
requests
>



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon Jul  2 17:40:56 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:40:56 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] .csv into lots of Content objects
Message-ID: <3B40A418.5A948562@nipltd.com>

Hi,

I'm interested in how people would go about turning each row of a .csv file into
a piece of CMF content via FTP or WebDAV?
Has anyone done this?
If not, would it be possible with the hookable PUT stuff?
Where should I look to start playing?

Also, and I guess this one is harder, how can I make, say, a folder of CMF
content objects appear as a single .csv file to a WebDAV or FTP client?

For extra mega bonus points (looking at Seb here ;-), how could I do the same
with rows from an Excel spreadsheet?

cheers,

Chris


From marc@bowery.com  Mon Jul  2 18:06:56 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 13:06:56 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFizing product?
In-Reply-To: <BEELJGLKPCMDGFENPBPNIEOMDIAA.rpijlman@wanadoo.nl>
Message-ID: <B766226F.2F904%marc@bowery.com>


> From: "Rene Pijlman" <rpijlman@wanadoo.nl>
> 
> I'm about to develop a Python-based product which introduces new
> content types and I'm wondering if I should make it pure Zope or
> CMFized.

I faced this doing the Audio object...  I decided that it made sense to make
a regular Zope product which did the 'heavy lifting' of the content type,
and then a CMF product which inherited (via python class mechanism) this
content type and nicely wrapped it for CMF.



From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul  2 19:04:55 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:04:55 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] .csv into lots of Content objects
In-Reply-To: <3B40A418.5A948562@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 05:40:56PM +0100
References: <3B40A418.5A948562@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010702190455.H16563@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010702 17:44]:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm interested in how people would go about turning each row of a .csv file into
> a piece of CMF content via FTP or WebDAV?
> Has anyone done this?
> If not, would it be possible with the hookable PUT stuff?
> Where should I look to start playing?

I'd create a new type called "ExcelImport", and register its extension
in the content_types_registry (or whatever it's called...).

Then every time you WebDAV a csv file, its PUT method is called.  In
that, I'd do something like:

  body = StringIO(REQUEST.get('BODY', '')
  for line in body.readlines():
    fields = string.split(line, ",")
    type, id, title, description = fields[0],fields[1],fields[2],fields[3]
    somefolder.invokeFactory(type,id,title=title,description=description)
    ...etc...  

> 
> Also, and I guess this one is harder, how can I make, say, a folder of CMF
> content objects appear as a single .csv file to a WebDAV or FTP client?
> 

when you try to grab something via WebDAV, its manage_FTPget method is
called.  you'd have to iterate over each object in the folder, flatten
it out, return the csv file.  the only thing I'm not sure about is if
you can do this with folders.  I've never looked at how the webdav
implementation manages collections.  For all I know, they might be the
same as vanilla content - if you're lucky.

Look at CMFDefault/Document.py for more ideas.

> For extra mega bonus points (looking at Seb here ;-), how could I do the same
> with rows from an Excel spreadsheet?

If you're on a win box, just use the excel com interface, I'm sure you
can either iterate over rows or save as csv from it.  If you're
on nix, use xlHtml to convert it first, then do some fancy regexps.
But I have to know - why oh why have you got content in an excel
spreadsheet? :-)

Do you have a catalogue of items that can be redeemed for points?  I
need a new kettle.

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul  2 19:08:18 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:08:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <5E5EEA049DAED31195A10008C7A4385B1FFF86@skye.cellnet.co.uk>; from Stephen.Boddy@btcellnet.net on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 04:22:45PM +0100
References: <5E5EEA049DAED31195A10008C7A4385B1FFF86@skye.cellnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20010702190816.I16563@lenin.jamkit.com>

It's nothing to do with contentItems, you're right.  It's probably
simply that there's no ProjIndex folder where you're calling it from.
Where is it in the ZMI? 

seb

* Boddy Stephen <Stephen.Boddy@btcellnet.net> [010702 16:31]:
> Please can someone explain why this works for a Reviewer, but not a Member,
> or Anonymous user. (I want the published links to be viewable by anyone)
> 
> <dtml-if ProjIndex>
> 
>   <dtml-in "ProjIndex.contentItems(filter={'Type':['Favorite', 'Link']})"
> sort=id>
>     <div><a href="&dtml-remote_url;">&dtml-title_or_id;</a></div>
>   <dtml-else>
>     <div>No entries yet.</div>
>   </dtml-in>
> 
> </dtml-if>
> 
> Turning off Access future portal content & Review portal content (which are
> the only security settings different from Member) for Reviewers makes no
> difference, it still works! From what I can tell in the source, contentItems
> is public, but then the problem is occuring before that when looking for
> ProjIndex. From viewing the generated source it does not appear to be
> detecting the folder ProjIndex in the current folder. Removing the dtml-if
> statements causes the page to throw an exception for Members.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Steve
> 
> 
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From Stephen.Boddy@btcellnet.net  Mon Jul  2 18:50:33 2001
From: Stephen.Boddy@btcellnet.net (Boddy Stephen)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:50:33 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] (no subject)
Message-ID: <5E5EEA049DAED31195A10008C7A4385B1FFF87@skye.cellnet.co.uk>

The ProjIndex folder exists in a members folder. If another member comes
along and views a page with the code below, it does not work unless they are
a Reviewer. What I don't get is that the same member who can't "see" the
folder can bypass the script below and look at published items in the
ProjIndex folder. So I guess the question is how do I allow a Member to
check for the existence of, and retrieve the contents of ProjIndex in
another users folder?

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: seb bacon [mailto:seb@jamkit.com]
Sent: 02 July 2001 19:08
To: Boddy Stephen
Cc: Zope-CMF (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] (no subject)


It's nothing to do with contentItems, you're right.  It's probably
simply that there's no ProjIndex folder where you're calling it from.
Where is it in the ZMI? 

seb

* Boddy Stephen <Stephen.Boddy@btcellnet.net> [010702 16:31]:
> Please can someone explain why this works for a Reviewer, but not a
Member,
> or Anonymous user. (I want the published links to be viewable by anyone)
> 
> <dtml-if ProjIndex>
> 
>   <dtml-in "ProjIndex.contentItems(filter={'Type':['Favorite', 'Link']})"
> sort=id>
>     <div><a href="&dtml-remote_url;">&dtml-title_or_id;</a></div>
>   <dtml-else>
>     <div>No entries yet.</div>
>   </dtml-in>
> 
> </dtml-if>
> 
> Turning off Access future portal content & Review portal content (which
are
> the only security settings different from Member) for Reviewers makes no
> difference, it still works! From what I can tell in the source,
contentItems
> is public, but then the problem is occuring before that when looking for
> ProjIndex. From viewing the generated source it does not appear to be
> detecting the folder ProjIndex in the current folder. Removing the dtml-if
> statements causes the page to throw an exception for Members.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Steve
> 
> 
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From robert@redcor.ch  Mon Jul  2 19:26:05 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:26:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] adding reviewer roles
References: <200107021552.f62FqnY23432@kodama.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <00f201c10324$83d16a10$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

What version of CMF are you using. Must be 1.1
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Little" <jlittle@open-it.org>
To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
Cc: <zope-cmf@lists.zope.org>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] adding reviewer roles


> pray tell how you use that tool? I click on it and all I get are
> "ownership" and "undo" tags. I'm still searching for some documentation
> on how you use any of the tools, which only show ownership tags and have
> no instantiation other than that.
>
> On Monday, July 2, 2001, at 01:08  AM, Robert Rottermann wrote:
>
> > Hi Joe
> > (one of my favorites. Specially the on played by roy buchanan. But wait,
> > there is a spelling error ...)
> > With cmf 1.1 you have to switch on the creation of user folders on.
> > This is done with the portal_membership tool  -> Configuration-> turn
> > folder
> > creation on.
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Little" <jlittle@open-it.org>
> > To: <zope-cmf@lists.zope.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 12:24 AM
> > Subject: [Zope-CMF] adding reviewer roles
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>> I've scoured the archive and docs, but there seems to be no
> >>> information
> >>> published on how to actually publish items. There is mention of a
> >>> reviewer role, but even after creating a user within the CMF, there is
> >>> no user in its acl_users folder. I can't seem to find the role
> >>> "reviewer" anywhere, so I can only get "private" or "pending"
> >>> documents.
> >>>
> >>> Is there any site building tutorial in the works with CMF? I've been
> >>> piecing stuff together from all over the place.
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> >> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >>
> >> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> >> feature
> > requests
> >>
> >
>



From jlittle@open-it.org  Mon Jul  2 19:25:37 2001
From: jlittle@open-it.org (Joe Little)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:25:37 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] adding reviewer roles
In-Reply-To: <00f201c10324$83d16a10$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
Message-ID: <200107021825.f62IPRY24366@kodama.stanford.edu>

I'm using 1.1 with Zope 2.3.2


On Monday, July 2, 2001, at 11:26  AM, Robert Rottermann wrote:

> What version of CMF are you using. Must be 1.1
> Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Little" <jlittle@open-it.org>
> To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
> Cc: <zope-cmf@lists.zope.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] adding reviewer roles
>
>
>> pray tell how you use that tool? I click on it and all I get are
>> "ownership" and "undo" tags. I'm still searching for some documentation
>> on how you use any of the tools, which only show ownership tags and 
>> have
>> no instantiation other than that.
>>
>> On Monday, July 2, 2001, at 01:08  AM, Robert Rottermann wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joe
>>> (one of my favorites. Specially the on played by roy buchanan. But 
>>> wait,
>>> there is a spelling error ...)
>>> With cmf 1.1 you have to switch on the creation of user folders on.
>>> This is done with the portal_membership tool  -> Configuration-> turn
>>> folder
>>> creation on.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joe Little" <jlittle@open-it.org>
>>> To: <zope-cmf@lists.zope.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 12:24 AM
>>> Subject: [Zope-CMF] adding reviewer roles
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've scoured the archive and docs, but there seems to be no
>>>>> information
>>>>> published on how to actually publish items. There is mention of a
>>>>> reviewer role, but even after creating a user within the CMF, there 
>>>>> is
>>>>> no user in its acl_users folder. I can't seem to find the role
>>>>> "reviewer" anywhere, so I can only get "private" or "pending"
>>>>> documents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any site building tutorial in the works with CMF? I've been
>>>>> piecing stuff together from all over the place.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
>>>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>>>>
>>>> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
>>>> feature
>>> requests
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


From robert@redcor.ch  Mon Jul  2 19:47:30 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:47:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Actions when viewing an object
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOAEOBCEAA.norman@khine.net>
Message-ID: <011f01c10327$89df5f90$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

You have a nice signature. It would be even nicer with a litle explanation!

You can create actions TTW.
go to portal_types an click on one of the existing types. A new screen opens
with Properties/Actions/...
Click on the actions tab
Her you go.
In the actions you can call any method that is somehow reachable through
aquisition.
If you need something special just copy a method close to your needs to the
custom skin folder. There rename and adapt it as needed.

Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman Khine" <norman@khine.net>
To: "Zope-CMF" <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:01 PM
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Actions when viewing an object


> Hello,
>
> Is there a way that one can create his/her own actions.
>
> For example in the news box, we have:
>
> <dtml-in "portal_catalog.searchResults( meta_type='News Item'
>                                         , sort_on='Date'
>                                         , sort_order='reverse'
>                                         , review_state='published'
>                                         )" size="10">
>
>
> can I for example add a subject_type criteria. So that I want to be able
to
> list News Items with a specific subject type.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Norman
>
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> zz/********/z/****\zzz|****\*\zz|*******|z
> z/^^^^^^^^/z/******\zz|*^^^^|*|z|*|^^^^^|z norman khine
> zzzzzz/**/z|**/^^\**|z|*|zzz|*|z|*|zzzzzzz mailto:norman@khine.net
> zzzzz/**/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|****/*/zz|*****|zzz purley
> z/******/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|*|^^zzzzz|*|^^^|zzz UK
> zzZ/**/zzzz|**\^^/**|z|*|zzzzzzz|*|zzzzzzz
> zz/******/zz\******/zz|*|zzzzzzz|*|*****|z
> z/^^^^^^/zzzz\^^^^/zzz|^|zzzzzzz|^^^^^^^|z
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>



From rpijlman@wanadoo.nl  Mon Jul  2 20:14:15 2001
From: rpijlman@wanadoo.nl (Rene Pijlman)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:14:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFizing product?
In-Reply-To: <B766226F.2F904%marc@bowery.com>
References: <BEELJGLKPCMDGFENPBPNIEOMDIAA.rpijlman@wanadoo.nl> <B766226F.2F904%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <gkh1ktsspic5g7tamevmhjcvk14h9sr4oo@4ax.com>

Marc Lindahl wrote:
>a regular Zope product which did the 'heavy lifting' of the content=20
>type, and then a CMF product which inherited (via python class=20
>mechanism) this content type and nicely wrapped it for CMF.

This structure makes sense, if only I understood why you'd want to
make the product available both CMFized and non-CMFized...?

Can you point me to the documentation/examples/source you used to
CMFize your product?

Anyway... thanks Marc, I appreciate your reply and I'll have a look at
your Audio object.

Regards,
Ren=E9 Pijlman


From dieter@handshake.de  Mon Jul  2 20:00:48 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:00:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Weird error when adding a Blark in portal
In-Reply-To: <20010702154330.58467.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20010702154330.58467.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <15168.50400.739480.205162@lindm.dm>

=?iso-8859-1?q?Gitte=20Wange?= writes:
 > I have tried to add a Blark weblog in the 'My Stuff' folder in my
 > portal. When I have hitted the add button on of these login prompts
 > show up. I try to login again - but all I get is an error. The error
 > is:
 > 
 > Unauthorized
 > 
 > You are not authorized to access owner_info.
 > 
 > What is owner_info `???
 > And where do I allow members to have access to this ?
"owner_info" is a method of "AccessControl.Owned.Owned",
protected by "View management screens".

Your options:

  *  give your member the "View management screens" permission
     (probably not what you want)

  *  use a proxie role for the function that adds the "Blark"

As I expect, you tried this (and failed) while you
have been loged in as Manager, there is probably
a different reason for the "Unauthorized" exception:
you call methods on objects without acquisition context.
This is quite easy in constructors, as objects are not
yet wrapped in their context at this early stage.


Dieter


From jccooper@rice.edu  Mon Jul  2 20:34:05 2001
From: jccooper@rice.edu (jccooper@rice.edu)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:34:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ZMI inconsistencies for CMFDefault Objects
Message-ID: <200107021934.OAA05875@consulting.is.rice.edu>

I don't know if there's any rhyme or reason to what tabs appear in the ZMI for
CMFDefault objects. As I understand it, all of them have Edit, Metadata
(Dublin Core), and Properties available, but the different object types have a
strange mix of available tabs.

I noticed this when wanting to set discussions on a per-document basis:
strangely enough, Documents have no Properties tab.

Here's my rundown (with pre tags for html viewers):

<pre>
Type         Metadata   Edit  Properties                
--------------------------------------------
Document         y        y        .
Image            .        y        y
File             .        y        y
Link             y        .        .
Favorite         y        .        .
News Item        y        y        .
SkinFolder      (.)      (y)       y
</pre>

Note that a dot means "n" (but makes the thing easier to read.)

I know they all have metadata and edit screens, since I can see them in the
CMF management screens. And I'm pretty sure they should all have properties
too. And I think that all the CMFDefault objects should have all these types
of ZMI tabs.

So, if there's a good reason let me know, and I shall forbear dealing with
this in public. Otherwise, I'll be posting a patch as soon as I figure it out
(unless someone tells me not to because it's drop-dead easy for them).

          --jcc
   (the spanish acquisition)
-- 
"It is concluded. Banquo, thy soul's flight,
if it find Heaven, must find it out tonight."


From jeff@janix.com  Mon Jul  2 20:48:05 2001
From: jeff@janix.com (Jeff Sasmor)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:48:05 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Weird error when adding a Blark in portal
References: <20010702154330.58467.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> <15168.50400.739480.205162@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <078601c10330$00991330$1a931340@NETKOOK>

!!Aagh!!
Dieter et al - Please read my reply on this subject!
CMFOptions 1.0 won't work on CMF 1.1
this is most likely the cause of your problem.

Jeff Sasmor
jeff@sasmor.com
www.netkook.com is an "open Zope CMF site"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dieter Maurer" <dieter@handshake.de>
To: <gitte@babytux.dk>
Cc: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Weird error when adding a Blark in portal


> =?iso-8859-1?q?Gitte=20Wange?= writes:
>  > I have tried to add a Blark weblog in the 'My Stuff' folder in my
>  > portal. When I have hitted the add button on of these login prompts
>  > show up. I try to login again - but all I get is an error. The error
>  > is:
>  >
>  > Unauthorized
>  >
>  > You are not authorized to access owner_info.
>  >
>  > What is owner_info `???
>  > And where do I allow members to have access to this ?
> "owner_info" is a method of "AccessControl.Owned.Owned",
> protected by "View management screens".
>
> Your options:
>
>   *  give your member the "View management screens" permission
>      (probably not what you want)
>
>   *  use a proxie role for the function that adds the "Blark"
>
> As I expect, you tried this (and failed) while you
> have been loged in as Manager, there is probably
> a different reason for the "Unauthorized" exception:
> you call methods on objects without acquisition context.
> This is quite easy in constructors, as objects are not
> yet wrapped in their context at this early stage.
>
>
> Dieter
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>



From marc@bowery.com  Mon Jul  2 20:46:06 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 15:46:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFizing product?
In-Reply-To: <gkh1ktsspic5g7tamevmhjcvk14h9sr4oo@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <B76647BD.2F9AB%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Rene Pijlman <rpijlman@wanadoo.nl>
> 
> This structure makes sense, if only I understood why you'd want to
> make the product available both CMFized and non-CMFized...?

It's really hardly any extra work...

> 
> Can you point me to the documentation/examples/source you used to
> CMFize your product?

First one is "the quick python book" to learn python!  Then I looked at some
of the built in products, like Image.py, and others like JPicture.   And of
course built in CMF products... comparing OFS/Image and CMFDefault/Image,
stuff like that.




From eric@scipy.org  Mon Jul  2 20:49:30 2001
From: eric@scipy.org (Eric Jones)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:49:30 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] came_from in dogbowl
In-Reply-To: <E15H9A1-0005M3-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBJGNOOLLKPHLCKAOAOEEPCIAA.eric@enthought.com>

I noticed the CMF dogbowl doesn't implement the came_from link or redirect
when logging in.  Is there a reason for this?



From andrew@digicool.com  Mon Jul  2 21:09:26 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:09:26 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] came_from in dogbowl
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJGNOOLLKPHLCKAOAOEEPCIAA.eric@enthought.com>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOGEONCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

I made this work in the CMFDecor skins; not sure why it wouldn't be working
in the other CMF skins.  If I get a chance I will look into it, unless
someone else can do it prior to then.
Thanks,
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Eric Jones
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:50 PM
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] came_from in dogbowl
>
>
> I noticed the CMF dogbowl doesn't implement the came_from link or redirect
> when logging in.  Is there a reason for this?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From klm@digicool.com  Mon Jul  2 21:58:04 2001
From: klm@digicool.com (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:58:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Zope-CMF digest, Vol 1 #631 - 12 msgs
In-Reply-To: <E15H9A1-0005M5-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107021655040.21484-100000@serenade.digicool.com>

A request - *please* trim reply citations!  It's frustrating to page
through a digest and not just see the entire original message - but have
that entire original message contain two entire other layers of
messages!  Use a single line "On ... so-an-so wrote:" *remove*
the correspondents multi-line signature!

Ken
klm@digicool.com



From joe@iuveno-net.de  Tue Jul  3 00:39:12 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 01:39:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary
References: <20010701084502.D3016891@nuvol.uji.es> <001301c1027c$7218e940$1ba4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <003a01c10350$336c7f20$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.home>

> But as soon text to display and html code is intermingled things become
> tricky.
> The following sentence has to be rearranged when translated to German:
> <p>This item is in <b>&dtml-review_state;</b> state.</p>
> becomes:
> <p>Der Status des Elementes ist : <b>&dtml-review_state;</b></p>
> This only works when I translate Text and html code together. I can not
> separate the two.

You really should have a look at ZBabel. It CAN translate the above because
you can use placeholders in your translations. It looks like that:

de: "Der Status des Elementes ist: <<<1>>>"
en: "This item is in <<<1>>> state"

> This is what I call to translate screen wise.(not all situations are that
> straightforward the code might be some paragraphs long)
> (is tere an other way to do it ??)

With ZBabel you translate a screen only once (into an
internationalized/tagged version). Later, you just have to fix bugs in the
internationalized DTML or Python code. The translation is kept untouched as
long as you don't have to change the actual phrases.

> And more importantly: It was VERY! hard for the translator to do his job
> when he got a couple of thousand pieces of text of which he did not know
the
> context.

That's a good point. But it can be solved by providing a good front-end to
the translator that maybe displays the context with the string to be
translated.

> The only translating support I can imagine is wrapping "candidates to
> translate" into function that render the text translated. (I do not yet
> grasp the workings of your approach (building on pythons gettext facility)
> but I understand it also wrapps sentences in function calls.)
> So the question is who does such wrapping and more importantly will it pay
> off.

Again, that is what ZBabel (and also the gettext-based Localizer) are doing
already ...

> I do not mean we should not have any help by DC. However it is enough to
> wrap DTML-calls that render a text to display in a function call that
> translates them. So instead of  <dtml-var review_state> <dtml-var
> "translate(review_state)">. Furthermore all raise statements that render a
> displayable text should also be wrapped in such a function. There are a
> couple of more things to do but for CMF it would sum up to work for about
a
> day.

We even put the ZBabel translation engine into the var tag. The only problem
with that was that virtually everything was translated, sometimes a couple
of times, as <dtml-var> might call methods that call methods etc. ZBabel
even started translating its variables, which leads to recursion problems.
But the code is there, and the only thing needed to make it really cool
would be adding some additional attribute like this:

<dtml-var variablename translate>

But such a syntax is not any better than using ZBabel's own tags as long as
the syntax is not officially accepted. It would break all existing code when
it is used with a Zope instance that does not have ZBabel installed.

Joachim



From robert@redcor.ch  Tue Jul  3 06:32:49 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:32:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary
References: <20010701084502.D3016891@nuvol.uji.es> <001301c1027c$7218e940$1ba4023e@karin> <003a01c10350$336c7f20$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.home>
Message-ID: <002b01c10381$9911f540$1ba4023e@karin>

Sounds as if I have to look at ZBabel more closely.
The test whether it is up to its task will be whether it can translate pages
like the metadata_edit_form to a couple of European languages without
touching the dtml-code.
Your idea of  adding a translate modifier to the translate tag appeals to
me. This can be done with search and replace!

But then again. I rather go for a solution that is not to perfect but has
the support from our friends living across the big water.

Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joachim Werner" <joe@iuveno-net.de>
To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>; <zope-cmf@zope.org>; "Juan David
Ibáñez Palomar" <palomar@sg.uji.es>
Cc: "Stephan Richter" <stephan@iuveno-net.de>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary


> > But as soon text to display and html code is intermingled things become
> > tricky.
> > The following sentence has to be rearranged when translated to German:
> > <p>This item is in <b>&dtml-review_state;</b> state.</p>
> > becomes:
> > <p>Der Status des Elementes ist : <b>&dtml-review_state;</b></p>
> > This only works when I translate Text and html code together. I can not
> > separate the two.
>
> You really should have a look at ZBabel. It CAN translate the above
because
> you can use placeholders in your translations. It looks like that:
>
> de: "Der Status des Elementes ist: <<<1>>>"
> en: "This item is in <<<1>>> state"
>
> > This is what I call to translate screen wise.(not all situations are
that
> > straightforward the code might be some paragraphs long)
> > (is tere an other way to do it ??)
>
> With ZBabel you translate a screen only once (into an
> internationalized/tagged version). Later, you just have to fix bugs in the
> internationalized DTML or Python code. The translation is kept untouched
as
> long as you don't have to change the actual phrases.
>
> > And more importantly: It was VERY! hard for the translator to do his job
> > when he got a couple of thousand pieces of text of which he did not know
> the
> > context.
>
> That's a good point. But it can be solved by providing a good front-end to
> the translator that maybe displays the context with the string to be
> translated.
>
> > The only translating support I can imagine is wrapping "candidates to
> > translate" into function that render the text translated. (I do not yet
> > grasp the workings of your approach (building on pythons gettext
facility)
> > but I understand it also wrapps sentences in function calls.)
> > So the question is who does such wrapping and more importantly will it
pay
> > off.
>
> Again, that is what ZBabel (and also the gettext-based Localizer) are
doing
> already ...
>
> > I do not mean we should not have any help by DC. However it is enough to
> > wrap DTML-calls that render a text to display in a function call that
> > translates them. So instead of  <dtml-var review_state> <dtml-var
> > "translate(review_state)">. Furthermore all raise statements that render
a
> > displayable text should also be wrapped in such a function. There are a
> > couple of more things to do but for CMF it would sum up to work for
about
> a
> > day.
>
> We even put the ZBabel translation engine into the var tag. The only
problem
> with that was that virtually everything was translated, sometimes a couple
> of times, as <dtml-var> might call methods that call methods etc. ZBabel
> even started translating its variables, which leads to recursion problems.
> But the code is there, and the only thing needed to make it really cool
> would be adding some additional attribute like this:
>
> <dtml-var variablename translate>
>
> But such a syntax is not any better than using ZBabel's own tags as long
as
> the syntax is not officially accepted. It would break all existing code
when
> it is used with a Zope instance that does not have ZBabel installed.
>
> Joachim
>
>



From G.Benn@ftel.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 08:15:21 2001
From: G.Benn@ftel.co.uk (Geoff Benn)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 08:15:21 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] DublinCore & ExtFile as meta type in CMF
References: <200106062201.f56M1s901402@old-callisto.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3B417108.83707EC2@ftel.co.uk>

Hi,

Assuming no existing ExtFile instances (hence no migration needed) should it be
possible to remove ExtFile 1.1.0 beta 3 from my CMFOptions 1.1 product (by deleting
the sub-directory), and install the latest ExtFile ?

I particularly want to use SYNC_ZODB

I have edited ExtFile's ExtFile.py as per the allowed configuratin (ie. all
different from defaults).

And edited CMFExtFile.py & CMFExtImage.py:
line:
  from Products.CMFOptions.ExtFile import ExtFile
to:
  from Products.ExtFile import ExtFile

It seems that I loose touch with all my old (test) ExtFile objects (perhaps because
I edited ExtFile.py, hint - delete them all first), but the new ones are OK ...

I note the file names are just %n(%u) rather than %n(%u)%c.%e as specified.

Regards,
Geoff

Gregor Heine wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just had a quick look on the impact of the changes in ExtFile 1.1.0 final on
> CMFOptions.
> CMF Options includes a slightly modified version of ExtFile 1.1.0beta3 that
> includes some fixes to the beta release.
> Since these these modifications are more or less all covered by the recent
> stable release (Jeff, coerrect me if I'm wrong), there is effectively no reason
> any more to bundle ExtFile with CMFOptions.
> Jeff, I think the best would be if you could publish a version of CMFOptions
> that ships without ExtFile, so people could always use it in conjuction with
> the latest ExtFile.
> Never the less, if that is done, all users that want to upgrade their
> CMFOptions to the current version of ExtFile must run the UpgradePatch for
> ExtFile. I can publish a version of the UpgradePatch that includes upgrades
> of CMFOption objects as soon as a new version of it is available.
> BTW: I'm not sure, if that interests anybody here, but more or less the same
> is valid to ExtDocument 0.2 from Tim McLaughlin. It does not bundle a
> version ExtFile and thus still requires the beta release, because of some
> internal changes to ExtFile that affect ExtDocument aswell. So, people using
> this product must not upgrade to the current release of ExtFile until a
> compatible version of ExtDocument has been released.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gregor.
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > (Thanks to Tres Seaver for refering to CMFOptions)
> >
> >
> >   http://www.zope.org/Members/jeffsasmor/CMFOptions
> > <http://www.zope.org/Members/jeffsasmor/CMFOptions>
> > CMF Options 1.0 (Stable) 2001/05/08 (including a copy of ExtFile (old
> > version ?) )
> > - compatible with CMF
> > - backup versions nice (as per ExtFile 1.1.0)
> > - var/reposit/a/b/name and number ( not so easy to work with ? )
> >
> >
> > But note the date : ExtFile 1.1.0 (Stable) 2001/06/05
> > - not compatible with CMF as it is
> > - backup versions are nice
> > - var/reposit/.../file name etc (can sync to database structure - nice)
> >
> >
> > Are there any plans to merge the best of both ?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Geoff
> >
> >
> > Geoff Benn wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm very new at this - and I'm learning & trying to integrate ExtFile
> > <http://www.zope.org/Members/MacGregor/ExtFile>  into CMF 1.1 beta and
> > currently believe that I need to add the following into ExtFile.py (with
> > suitable code in ExtFile's __init__ ):
> >
> >
> > >from DublinCore import DefaultDublinCoreImpl
> >
> >
> > This one line causes my portal_types to be omitted from the Add Content
> > menu.
> >
> >
> > Anyone care to suggest where I should look next ? Has anyone added
> > ExtFile into CMF as a meta type ? Are there any notes on how to add meta
> > types ?
> >
> >
> > Note: I've earlier noticed that
> > - metadata_edit_form.dtml get's the 'Identifier' of a higher level
> > folder rather than the 'id' of the new object.
> > - ExtFile uses descr rather than description.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Geoff
> > --
> > Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd
> > Tel:  +44 (0)121 717 6441
> > Fax:  +44 (0)121 717 6018
> > E-mail: G.Benn@ftel.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd
> > Tel:  +44 (0)121 717 6441
> > Fax:  +44 (0)121 717 6018
> > E-mail: G.Benn@ftel.co.uk
> >
> >

--
Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd
Tel:  +44 (0)121 717 6441
Fax:  +44 (0)121 717 6018
E-mail: G.Benn@ftel.co.uk




From maarten.slaets@neolabs.be  Tue Jul  3 08:24:23 2001
From: maarten.slaets@neolabs.be (Maarten Slaets)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 09:24:23 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary
References: <20010701084502.D3016891@nuvol.uji.es> <001301c1027c$7218e940$1ba4023e@karin> <003a01c10350$336c7f20$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.home> <002b01c10381$9911f540$1ba4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <3B417327.E1E5B169@neolabs.be>

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joachim Werner" <joe@iuveno-net.de>
> To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>; <zope-cmf@zope.org>; "Juan =
David
> Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar" <palomar@sg.uji.es>
> Cc: "Stephan Richter" <stephan@iuveno-net.de>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary
>=20

<snip>

> > We even put the ZBabel translation engine into the var tag. The only
> problem
> > with that was that virtually everything was translated, sometimes a c=
ouple

Joachim, do you have any performance information about a site using a
'babelized' var tag on a heavily loaded website?


From palomar@sg.uji.es  Tue Jul  3 08:50:02 2001
From: palomar@sg.uji.es (Juan David Ibáñez Palomar)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:50:02 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary
In-Reply-To: <003a01c10350$336c7f20$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.home> from "Joachim Werner" at Jul 03, 2001 01:39:12 AM
Message-ID: <20010703075002.AD0269DE@nuvol.uji.es>

> 
> We even put the ZBabel translation engine into the var tag. The only problem
> with that was that virtually everything was translated, sometimes a couple
> of times, as <dtml-var> might call methods that call methods etc. ZBabel
> even started translating its variables, which leads to recursion problems.
> But the code is there, and the only thing needed to make it really cool
> would be adding some additional attribute like this:
> 
> <dtml-var variablename translate>
> 
> But such a syntax is not any better than using ZBabel's own tags as long as
> the syntax is not officially accepted. It would break all existing code when
> it is used with a Zope instance that does not have ZBabel installed.
> 
> Joachim
> 

Most Zope solutions that provide i18n support to Zope are DTML centric,
usually with their own tags.
 
This is one advantage of the Localizer, it allows to translate DTML, ZPT,
Python and probably everything able to live in Zope.


jdavid
gettext advocate :)


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul  3 09:52:39 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 09:52:39 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] [OT] Multi-line sigs
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107021655040.21484-100000@serenade.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B4187D7.4C34B2EB@nipltd.com>

Ken Manheimer wrote:
> 
> messages!  Use a single line "On ... so-an-so wrote:" *remove*
> the correspondents multi-line signature!

Personally i think people with multi-line sigs should be shot ;-)

I prefer the length of my sig...

cheers,

Chris


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 10:23:21 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:23:21 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF for intranets?
In-Reply-To: <3B408BE0.5FB922F5@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHOEHICCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Casey's reply to my plea to "CMF-ise" DocumentLibrary is below (forwarded
with permission)

Anyone else who would like to see Kaivo's DocumentLibrary CMF-ised?

Please send cheques to the "Let's Bribe Casey Fund" c/o my Swiss bank
account. I'll forward them on, honest!  ;-)

IMHO, DocumentLibrary would be a great addition to the CMF stable, specially
for all the people planning to use CMF for intranets, as discussed last
week. But what's in it for Casey/Kaivo? Actually, what's the motivation for
anyone to CMF-ise their existing Zope product?

Here's a few benefits I thought of. If anyone comes up with any more, please
CC Casey, as he is not subscribed to this list.... yet! ;-)

(Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!)

1. There's a growing user-base for CMF. From some of the conversations last
week it looks like there's a market for CMF in SMEs who perhaps wouldn't use
Zope on its own, but *would* use CMF to get a quick, effective intranet
solution, without having to dive into the complexities of Zope straight
away. DocumentLibrary would be a natural for these applications... and Kaivo
could sell lots of "CMF-in-a-day" training courses! :-)

2. DocumentLibrary already uses DublinCore, topics, subject/metadata
hierarchy, and a submit/review/publish workflow. So does CMF. CMF-ising
DoucumentLibrary would mean that all the other objects that CMF already
handles (articles, links, news-items, and soon RSS feeds and emails) would
be accessible to DocumentLibrary, widening its scope and perhaps moving it
towards being even more of a "knowledge-base" application? It would also
allow it to use add-ons like the DCWorkflow product, and fledgling workgroup
stuff to tailor it better for individual organisations (who, of course, will
need more Kaivo training courses ;-)

3. Some of the work has already been done? I think Seb has already produced
functionality to get Word and Excel documents (and browser
Favorites/Bookmarks) into CMF?

The defence rests, your honour!

BTW I hope this doesn't sound like one of those "I want Zope to do xyz, and
I want someone to do it for me" emails! I would be happy to help out anyway
I can, if you decide to give it a go, Casey!  :-)

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Cheers, Jon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cduncan@kaivo.com [mailto:cduncan@kaivo.com]
>
> Jon Edwards wrote:
> >
> > Casey, does the same logic apply if I ask you to "CMF-ise"
> DocumentLibrary?
> > ;-)
> >
>
> I'm afraid that I have to "CMF-ise" myself first, which I am presently
> not incredibly motivated to do. However, bribery has been known to
> enhance my motivation 8^)
>
> --
> | Casey Duncan
> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
> `------------------>
>



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 10:58:30 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:58:30 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHAEHKCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Tim wrote -

> I thought this was so cool I submitted the link to Slashdot. Hope that's
OK
> with you! :-) (a joke, don't panic)

You had me reaching for the valium for a moment there!

> I would encourage you to post as much info as you can cobble together
about
> your experience working on this. It would seem that this is very similar
to
> what I'd like to try to do with my school's site.

I'm working on it! I thought Seb's suggestion that people building CMS
functionality on top of CMF should define a few "standards" to improve
interoperability was excellent, so I'm trying to produce something along
those lines.

(Seb, 'scuse me if I paraphrased you clumsily, any chance you could post
your initial thoughts/examples to get us started... just brief
"back-of-a-cigarette-packet" notes? I think I understand what you mean, but
I'm finding it hard to verbalise! :-)

But, in the meantime, if you're looking for a few ideas Tim, I remembered I
posted an early, clumsy, explanation back in April (seems like a hundred
years ago!) -

http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-April/006339.html

Comments, suggestions, and anything else that helps me kickstart my brain,
welcomed!

HTH

Cheers, Jon



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 11:22:51 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:22:51 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Problems generating list of files/folders
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEHKCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Hi Anders,

Should you be using empty brackets after objectValues?

<dtml-in "objectValues()">

Here's a bit of code I hacked out of folder_contents that works for me, you
might be able to adapt it?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

<dtml-in "objectValues(['Document', 'News Item', 'Portal File', 'Portal
Image', 'Favorite', 'Link'])" sort="Date" reverse>
  <tr valign="top" align="left">
    <td>
       <dtml-if icon>
         <a href="&dtml.url_quote-id;"
          ><img src="&dtml-BASEPATH1;/&dtml-icon;"
                alt="&dtml-Type;" border="0"></a>
       </dtml-if>
    </td>
    <td>
         <a href="&dtml.url_quote-id;"
           >&dtml-id;<dtml-if title> (&dtml-title;)</dtml-if></a>
    </td>
  </tr>
</dtml-in>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

HTH

Cheers, Jon



From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Tue Jul  3 12:03:38 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:03:38 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how to get the object created by invokeFactory
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010703130338.01215ca0@pop.dplanet.ch>

Hi all!

I'd like to programmatically add a topic by using a=20
Python Script and it seems that I am on the right way=20
but there is one problem left:

-------------------------------------------------------
## Script (Python) "invokeTopic"
##bind container=3Dcontainer
##bind context=3Dcontext
##bind namespace=3D
##bind script=3Dscript
##bind subpath=3Dtraverse_subpath
##parameters=3DREQUEST, RESPONSE, title=3DNone, description=3DNone, id=3DNon=
e
##title=3D
##
context.invokeFactory('Topic', id)
obj=3D######## how do I get the obj if the newly created topic with the id
'id'?=20
obj.edit(title=3D'empty title', description=3D'empty description')
obj.addCriteria(field=3D'Subject', criteria_type=3D'String Criterion')

RESPONSE.redirect('%s/topic_view' % obj.absolute_url())
-------------------------------------------------------

What I have tried:
1) # invokeFactor returns None (argh!)
   obj =3D context.invokeFactory('Topic', id)

2) # could not import HTTPRequest
   from HTTPRequest.HttpRequest import resolve_url
   obj =3D resolve_url(context.absolute_url()+'/'+id)=20

I've took a look at the management screens also and I have=20
seen that invokeFactory is called by DTML methods which do=20
a redirect to one of the objects method like this:
   RESPONSE.redirect('%s/topic_view' % context.absolute_url())

The following method calls (e.g. topic_editTopic) is then
able to refer to context. But in my case the context is the=20
directory containing the topic.

I am sure it's only a small piece of the puzzle I am missing.

Can somebody help me?

Thanks, Greg
_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul  3 12:55:20 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:55:20 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how to get the object created by invokeFactory
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010703130338.01215ca0@pop.dplanet.ch>; from gregoire.weber@switzerland.org on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 01:03:38PM +0200
References: <3.0.6.32.20010703130338.01215ca0@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <20010703125518.D19615@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Grégoire Weber <gregoire.weber@switzerland.org> [010703 12:04]:
> Hi all!
> context.invokeFactory('Topic', id)
> obj=######## how do I get the obj if the newly created topic with the id
> 'id'? 

This should work:

  obj = context[id]

Also, note that you can usually edit most of an object's attributes
when you instantiate it, using keyword args:

  context.invokeFactory('Topic', id, title='foo', description='bar')

However, Topic doesn't seem to let you do that.  One for the Tracker,
perhaps... 


seb


From srichter@iuveno-net.de  Tue Jul  3 12:29:13 2001
From: srichter@iuveno-net.de (Stephan Richter)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 06:29:13 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary
In-Reply-To: <20010703075002.AD0269DE@nuvol.uji.es>
References: <003a01c10350$336c7f20$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.home>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010703062606.00a04ec0@imail.iuveno-net.de>

>This is one advantage of the Localizer, it allows to translate DTML, ZPT,
>Python and probably everything able to live in Zope.

Well, all that ZBabel does is using a function. Whether you call the 
function from ZPT, DTML or Python is completely up to you. The only thing 
that is currently missing is that the function is not added to the global 
namespace (_). In fact I am using the ZBabel functionality 
quiet  frequently straight from my Python Products.

For ZBabel 3.0 (if someone helps, this could be done beginning of August) 
we should think about gettext() integration (at least import and export) 
and the support of the standard functions.

Regards,
Stephan

Stephan Richter
iuveno AG - Technical Design and Implementation
Technical Design and Development



From james@codenamefuture.nl  Tue Jul  3 13:11:15 2001
From: james@codenamefuture.nl (James van der Veen)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:11:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Adding a dtmll document to Custom
Message-ID: <11204746D436D411A6F90004AC5396110D845D@EXCHSRVR1>

Hi All,

I have a question I hope someone can awnser!

I would like to add a dtml document to the custom skin every time a =
portal
is created.
So I had a look in the Portal.py file where the Custom folder is added, =
But
now I just can=B4t figure out=20
How to add a dtml doc or method to it.

Hope yall can help me with this!

Greetz,
James



From bkc@murkworks.com  Tue Jul  3 13:46:41 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:46:41 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Actions when viewing an object
In-Reply-To: <011f01c10327$89df5f90$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
Message-ID: <3B41823E.27256.D001D41@localhost>

On 2 Jul 2001, at 20:47, Robert Rottermann wrote:

> You have a nice signature. It would be even nicer with a litle explanation!

You need to view it with a fixed pitch font.




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul  3 13:42:04 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:42:04 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Problems generating list of files/folders
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEHKCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3B41BD9C.1B940586@nipltd.com>

Jon Edwards wrote:
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> Should you be using empty brackets after objectValues?
> 
> <dtml-in "objectValues()">

That should work, but:

<dtml-in objectValues>

is better...

cheers,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul  3 13:43:20 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:43:20 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how to get the object created by invokeFactory
References: <3.0.6.32.20010703130338.01215ca0@pop.dplanet.ch> <20010703125518.D19615@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B41BDE8.6750B293@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> Also, note that you can usually edit most of an object's attributes
> when you instantiate it, using keyword args:
> 
>   context.invokeFactory('Topic', id, title='foo', description='bar')
> 
> However, Topic doesn't seem to let you do that.  One for the Tracker,
> perhaps...

Nah, I think the other objects onyl support that for PTK backwards
compatability...

cheers,

Chris


From dhanunjaya@mindscapecomputing.com  Tue Jul  3 11:17:14 2001
From: dhanunjaya@mindscapecomputing.com (Dhanu)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:47:14 +0530
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to disable members from getting "My stuff" link
Message-ID: <000a01c103a9$545cd190$4ac809c0@saraswathi>

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Hai,

I dont want my members to add any portal content.Content will be addded =
by my writers.

I want my users to register and become members .But=20

they should not get=20

 "mystuff" link in "Actions box",
 no folder should be created for the registered members in Members =
folder and=20
 i want to remove permissions for them to add any portal content to =
site.

*** I want my users to be able reply to newsitems and any other =
content.May be other services will be provided later.

........................................

I tried by removing the permissions for Members role,but it is not =
working.I think this might be bug in CMF or i did not understand the =
users and permissions correctly.
.....................................

Your help is very much appreciated


Thank you ,

regards,
Dhanu



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portal=20
content.Content will be addded by my writers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I want my users to register and become =
members .But=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>they should not get </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;"mystuff" link in "Actions =
box",</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;no folder should be created for =
the=20
registered&nbsp;members in Members folder and </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;i want to&nbsp;remove permissions =
for them to=20
add any portal content to site.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*** I want my users to be able reply to =
newsitems=20
and any other content.May be other services will be provided =
later.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>........................................</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I tried by removing the permissions for =
Members=20
role,but it is not working.I think this might be bug in CMF or i did not =

understand the users and permissions correctly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>.....................................</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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appreciated</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you ,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>regards,</FONT></DIV>
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From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul  3 14:47:05 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:47:05 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how to get the object created by invokeFactory
In-Reply-To: <3B41BDE8.6750B293@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 01:43:20PM +0100
References: <3.0.6.32.20010703130338.01215ca0@pop.dplanet.ch> <20010703125518.D19615@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B41BDE8.6750B293@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010703144705.E19615@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010703 13:47]:
> seb bacon wrote:
> > 
> > Also, note that you can usually edit most of an object's attributes
> > when you instantiate it, using keyword args:
> > 
> >   context.invokeFactory('Topic', id, title='foo', description='bar')
> > 
> > However, Topic doesn't seem to let you do that.  One for the Tracker,
> > perhaps...
> 
> Nah, I think the other objects onyl support that for PTK backwards
> compatability...

Really?  It's a useful feature, and it only takes a couple of lines of
code (some keyword arguments in the class constructor, and the factory
method).  It should stay, IMO - I use it a bit.  Why would you *not*
want it?

seb


From joe@iuveno-net.de  Tue Jul  3 14:35:27 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:35:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to translate CMF, first summary
References: <20010701084502.D3016891@nuvol.uji.es> <001301c1027c$7218e940$1ba4023e@karin> <003a01c10350$336c7f20$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.home> <002b01c10381$9911f540$1ba4023e@karin> <3B417327.E1E5B169@neolabs.be>
Message-ID: <006101c103c5$05ead040$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.home>

> > We even put the ZBabel translation engine into the var tag. The only
> problem
> > with that was that virtually everything was translated, sometimes a
couple

Joachim, do you have any performance information about a site using a
'babelized' var tag on a heavily loaded website?

We've run the "brute-force" version (all var tags are translated) only a
couple of minutes, until recursion became to bad. But the plain ZBabel
(using its own tags) with the new non-SQL backend is rather fast. Of course
translation adds additional overhead. That's why we don't want to switch it
on by default. But if you want fully dynamic sites that deliver the language
the user wants on the fly, there is no other choice. For heavy-load sites
with less frequent content changes, pre-rendered pages or heavy caching
would be the choice ...

No benchmarks yet, sorry.



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul  3 15:03:37 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 15:03:37 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how to get the object created by invokeFactory
References: <3.0.6.32.20010703130338.01215ca0@pop.dplanet.ch> <20010703125518.D19615@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B41BDE8.6750B293@nipltd.com> <20010703144705.E19615@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B41D0B9.81644E14@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> Really?  It's a useful feature, and it only takes a couple of lines of
> code (some keyword arguments in the class constructor, and the factory
> method).  It should stay, IMO - I use it a bit.  Why would you *not*
> want it?

Because it leads to lots of unneccessary code duplication, which means an
increased chance of bugs...

What you really want is a constructor that does nothing but build the object and
an edit methdo which fills in all the details.
That way, you don't have 'editing' code in both the __init__ and edit methods.

cheers,

Chris


From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul  3 15:47:12 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:47:12 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how to get the object created by invokeFactory
In-Reply-To: <3B41D0B9.81644E14@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 03:03:37PM +0100
References: <3.0.6.32.20010703130338.01215ca0@pop.dplanet.ch> <20010703125518.D19615@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B41BDE8.6750B293@nipltd.com> <20010703144705.E19615@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B41D0B9.81644E14@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010703154711.G19615@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010703 15:06]:
> seb bacon wrote:
> > 
> > Really?  It's a useful feature, and it only takes a couple of lines of
> > code (some keyword arguments in the class constructor, and the factory
> > method).  It should stay, IMO - I use it a bit.  Why would you *not*
> > want it?
> 
> Because it leads to lots of unneccessary code duplication, which means an
> increased chance of bugs...
> 
> What you really want is a constructor that does nothing but build the object and
> an edit methdo which fills in all the details.
> That way, you don't have 'editing' code in both the __init__ and edit methods.

OK, that makes sense :-)

The reason I find it useful is because I'm munging the the id in
invokeFactory to make sure it's a valid ZopeId, then passing the id in
as the title, intact.  (we were discussing this a while ago).

So, if I call invokeFactory(id), I can't necessarily know what the id
actually was, so I can't grab the object to edit it.  Wouldn't
something like this avoid the code duplication problem you mention:

  def __init__(self, id, **kw):
      # blah
      self._getOb(id).edit(**kw)

seb



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul  3 15:18:50 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 15:18:50 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how to get the object created by invokeFactory
References: <3.0.6.32.20010703130338.01215ca0@pop.dplanet.ch> <20010703125518.D19615@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B41BDE8.6750B293@nipltd.com> <20010703144705.E19615@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B41D0B9.81644E14@nipltd.com> <20010703154711.G19615@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B41D44A.A0E96393@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> So, if I call invokeFactory(id), I can't necessarily know what the id
> actually was, so I can't grab the object to edit it.  Wouldn't
> something like this avoid the code duplication problem you mention:
> 
>   def __init__(self, id, **kw):
>       # blah
>       self._getOb(id).edit(**kw)

Well, that's still unnecessary (and therefor bad, yes I am a facist ;-) code...

What would solve the problem properly is for invokeFactory to return the new
object. If it doesn't already, ti should ;-)

cheers,

Chris


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue Jul  3 15:27:42 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:27:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Where do CMF get the "Creator" variable from ?
Message-ID: <01070316274304.08433@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I would like to be able to display my users real name instead of just their 
username. I have added a property to the memberdata object called real_name.

Now I want to display my users realname in the blark at my CMF portal. In the 
code for the Blackfolder_view method it display the &dtml-Creator; variable. 
So I thought that maybe I could find the user object with the Creator ID and 
ask for the real name. But no ... I have tried this:

 <dtml-let created_by="portal_membership.getMemberById(Creator)">
  <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('realname',created_by.real_name)">
 </dtml-let>

But I get this error:
Error Type: AttributeError
Error Value: 'None' object has no attribute 'real_name'

So I guess it isn't a valid user object it returns.

Any ideas ?

Regards,
-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
Also, can people who have had unhappy relationships with their
eepro100 please try to cuddle and make up again?

	- Linus Torvalds


From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Tue Jul  3 15:38:34 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:38:34 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how to get the object created by invokeFactory
In-Reply-To: <20010703125518.D19615@lenin.jamkit.com>
References: <3.0.6.32.20010703130338.01215ca0@pop.dplanet.ch>
 <3.0.6.32.20010703130338.01215ca0@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010703163834.0116c2c0@pop.dplanet.ch>

thanks a lot Seb, it was the missing point to success!

> > context.invokeFactory('Topic', id)
> > obj=3D### how do I get the obj if the newly created topic with the id?=
=20
>=20
> This should work:
>   obj =3D context[id]
See code below.

> At 15:18 03.07.01 +0100, Chris Whiters wrote:
> What would solve the problem properly is for invokeFactory to=20
> return the new object. If it doesn't already, ti should ;-)
It does definitively not and it would be a good thing if it=20
would do!

Greg


-------------------------------------------------------
## Script (Python) "invokeTopic"
##bind container=3Dcontainer
##bind context=3Dcontext
##bind namespace=3D
##bind script=3Dscript
##bind subpath=3Dtraverse_subpath
##parameters=3DREQUEST, RESPONSE, id, subj=3DNone, title=3D'', description=
=3D'',
acquireCriteria=3D'1'
##title=3Dadd a topic with 'id' and a string criteria value of 'subj' or 'id=
'
for 'Subject' programmatically
##
# instanate a topic with a id of 'id'
context.invokeFactory('Topic', id)

# get id of topic (thanks seb!)
obj=3Dcontext[id]

# title and description of topic
obj.edit(acquireCriteria=3DacquireCriteria,=20
         title=3Dtitle,=20
         description=3Ddescription)

# add a string criteria for 'Subject'
obj.addCriteria(field=3D'Subject',=20
                criteria_type=3D'String Criterion')

# set the value of the 'Subject' criteria
if subj is None: subj =3D id
crit=3Dobj.getCriterion('crit__Subject')
crit.edit(value=3Dsubj)

# redirect to the topics page
RESPONSE.redirect(obj.absolute_url())
-------------------------------------------------------

_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From gitte@babytux.dk  Tue Jul  3 15:44:45 2001
From: gitte@babytux.dk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Gitte=20Wange?=)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:44:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Where do CMF get the "Creator" variable from ?
Message-ID: <20010703144445.31891.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

(Sorry if this mail is posted twice, but I'm not sure if my mailserver
works).

I would like to be able to display my users real name instead of just
their 
username. I have added a property to the memberdata object called
real_name.

Now I want to display my users realname in the blark at my CMF portal.
In the 
code for the Blackfolder_view method it display the &dtml-Creator;
variable. 
So I thought that maybe I could find the user object with the Creator
ID and 
ask for the real name. But no ... I have tried this:

 <dtml-let created_by="portal_membership.getMemberById(Creator)">
  <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('realname',created_by.real_name)">
 </dtml-let>

But I get this error:
Error Type: AttributeError
Error Value: 'None' object has no attribute 'real_name'

So I guess it isn't a valid user object it returns.

Any ideas ?

Regards,
-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
Also, can people who have had unhappy relationships with their
eepro100 please try to cuddle and make up again?

         - Linus Torvalds

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From jeff@janix.com  Tue Jul  3 16:01:04 2001
From: jeff@janix.com (Jeff Sasmor)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:01:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] DublinCore & ExtFile as meta type in CMF
References: <200106062201.f56M1s901402@old-callisto.ftel.co.uk> <3B417108.83707EC2@ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <005001c103d1$0f5261f0$1a931340@NETKOOK>

> Assuming no existing ExtFile instances (hence no migration needed) should
it be
> possible to remove ExtFile 1.1.0 beta 3 from my CMFOptions 1.1 product (by
deleting
> the sub-directory), and install the latest ExtFile ?

I doubt that it would work correctly unless you followed all the changes in
the
older source (they are marked) and duplicated them in a modified ExtFile.py
and
ExtImage.py

> And edited CMFExtFile.py & CMFExtImage.py:
> line:
>   from Products.CMFOptions.ExtFile import ExtFile

There are number of changes besides these!


I had several reasons to bundle ExtFile with CMFOptions:

1. Easier installation of CMFOptions (no dependencies & no other products to
install)
2. Minor mods as pointed out herein
3. Particular adaptations to the CMF
4. Namespace collisons between methods in ExtFile and CMF native functions
5. Remove dependency on PIL, which is a nuisance (confusing, at least) to
install.
6. Adding alphabetic subdirs and user-named files to the repository scheme
    to make it easier to locate files (for removal) for particular users.

It wasn't as trivial a task as one might assume - there's a lot of testing
required to
make sure all of this works properly!

In any case, I don't think that having this version of ExtFile bundled with
CMFOptions
prohibits someone from installing the new version of ExtFile and using it
thru the ZMI -
these modified versions have different meta-types and should not interfere
with
a normal product installation. Also, if someone doesn't want to use
CMFExtFile or
CMFExtImage, they just don't have to install those types using the types
tool.

In any case, I intend to rebundle the new version of ExtFile at some point
in the near
future. I just need to have the time to look at it carefully (which I don't,
right now).


Jeff Sasmor
jeff@sasmor.com
www.netkook.com is an "open Zope CMF site"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Benn" <G.Benn@ftel.co.uk>
To: "Gregor Heine" <mac.gregor@gmx.de>
Cc: "Zope CMF list" <zope-cmf@zope.org>; <jeff@janix.com>; "Tim McLaughlin"
<tim@BCSWebservices.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] DublinCore & ExtFile as meta type in CMF


> Hi,
>
> Assuming no existing ExtFile instances (hence no migration needed) should
it be
> possible to remove ExtFile 1.1.0 beta 3 from my CMFOptions 1.1 product (by
deleting
> the sub-directory), and install the latest ExtFile ?
>
> I particularly want to use SYNC_ZODB
>
> I have edited ExtFile's ExtFile.py as per the allowed configuratin (ie.
all
> different from defaults).
>
> And edited CMFExtFile.py & CMFExtImage.py:
> line:
>   from Products.CMFOptions.ExtFile import ExtFile
> to:
>   from Products.ExtFile import ExtFile
>
> It seems that I loose touch with all my old (test) ExtFile objects
(perhaps because
> I edited ExtFile.py, hint - delete them all first), but the new ones are
OK ...
>
> I note the file names are just %n(%u) rather than %n(%u)%c.%e as
specified.
>
> Regards,
> Geoff
>
> Gregor Heine wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just had a quick look on the impact of the changes in ExtFile 1.1.0
final on
> > CMFOptions.
> > CMF Options includes a slightly modified version of ExtFile 1.1.0beta3
that
> > includes some fixes to the beta release.
> > Since these these modifications are more or less all covered by the
recent
> > stable release (Jeff, coerrect me if I'm wrong), there is effectively no
reason
> > any more to bundle ExtFile with CMFOptions.
> > Jeff, I think the best would be if you could publish a version of
CMFOptions
> > that ships without ExtFile, so people could always use it in conjuction
with
> > the latest ExtFile.
> > Never the less, if that is done, all users that want to upgrade their
> > CMFOptions to the current version of ExtFile must run the UpgradePatch
for
> > ExtFile. I can publish a version of the UpgradePatch that includes
upgrades
> > of CMFOption objects as soon as a new version of it is available.
> > BTW: I'm not sure, if that interests anybody here, but more or less the
same
> > is valid to ExtDocument 0.2 from Tim McLaughlin. It does not bundle a
> > version ExtFile and thus still requires the beta release, because of
some
> > internal changes to ExtFile that affect ExtDocument aswell. So, people
using
> > this product must not upgrade to the current release of ExtFile until a
> > compatible version of ExtDocument has been released.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gregor.
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > (Thanks to Tres Seaver for refering to CMFOptions)
> > >
> > >
> > >   http://www.zope.org/Members/jeffsasmor/CMFOptions
> > > <http://www.zope.org/Members/jeffsasmor/CMFOptions>
> > > CMF Options 1.0 (Stable) 2001/05/08 (including a copy of ExtFile (old
> > > version ?) )
> > > - compatible with CMF
> > > - backup versions nice (as per ExtFile 1.1.0)
> > > - var/reposit/a/b/name and number ( not so easy to work with ? )
> > >
> > >
> > > But note the date : ExtFile 1.1.0 (Stable) 2001/06/05
> > > - not compatible with CMF as it is
> > > - backup versions are nice
> > > - var/reposit/.../file name etc (can sync to database structure -
nice)
> > >
> > >
> > > Are there any plans to merge the best of both ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > >
> > > Geoff Benn wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm very new at this - and I'm learning & trying to integrate ExtFile
> > > <http://www.zope.org/Members/MacGregor/ExtFile>  into CMF 1.1 beta and
> > > currently believe that I need to add the following into ExtFile.py
(with
> > > suitable code in ExtFile's __init__ ):
> > >
> > >
> > > >from DublinCore import DefaultDublinCoreImpl
> > >
> > >
> > > This one line causes my portal_types to be omitted from the Add
Content
> > > menu.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone care to suggest where I should look next ? Has anyone added
> > > ExtFile into CMF as a meta type ? Are there any notes on how to add
meta
> > > types ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Note: I've earlier noticed that
> > > - metadata_edit_form.dtml get's the 'Identifier' of a higher level
> > > folder rather than the 'id' of the new object.
> > > - ExtFile uses descr rather than description.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Geoff
> > > --
> > > Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd
> > > Tel:  +44 (0)121 717 6441
> > > Fax:  +44 (0)121 717 6018
> > > E-mail: G.Benn@ftel.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd
> > > Tel:  +44 (0)121 717 6441
> > > Fax:  +44 (0)121 717 6018
> > > E-mail: G.Benn@ftel.co.uk
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd
> Tel:  +44 (0)121 717 6441
> Fax:  +44 (0)121 717 6018
> E-mail: G.Benn@ftel.co.uk
>
>
>



From scott.meilicke@intp.com  Tue Jul  3 16:01:41 2001
From: scott.meilicke@intp.com (Meilicke, Scott)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:01:41 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF for intranets?
Message-ID: <A0CB750E1402D511A47600A0C9E110D11261FC@IWA-MERCURY>

We are now deciding on a technology for our Intranet.  If we decide on zope,
we more than likely will use the CMF, and if DocumentLibrary is CMFed, it
will be that much easier to get it up and running.  In my case, our
programmers like tidy packages, and may not be thrilled to scour for
documentation.  So, they will probably want some sort of official
instruction in zope.  Kaivo of course comes to mind.  

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Edwards [mailto:jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:23 AM
To: cduncan@kaivo.com
Cc: Zope-Cmf
Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] CMF for intranets?


Casey's reply to my plea to "CMF-ise" DocumentLibrary is below (forwarded
with permission)

Anyone else who would like to see Kaivo's DocumentLibrary CMF-ised?

Please send cheques to the "Let's Bribe Casey Fund" c/o my Swiss bank
account. I'll forward them on, honest!  ;-)

IMHO, DocumentLibrary would be a great addition to the CMF stable, specially
for all the people planning to use CMF for intranets, as discussed last
week. But what's in it for Casey/Kaivo? Actually, what's the motivation for
anyone to CMF-ise their existing Zope product?

Here's a few benefits I thought of. If anyone comes up with any more, please
CC Casey, as he is not subscribed to this list.... yet! ;-)

(Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!)

1. There's a growing user-base for CMF. From some of the conversations last
week it looks like there's a market for CMF in SMEs who perhaps wouldn't use
Zope on its own, but *would* use CMF to get a quick, effective intranet
solution, without having to dive into the complexities of Zope straight
away. DocumentLibrary would be a natural for these applications... and Kaivo
could sell lots of "CMF-in-a-day" training courses! :-)

2. DocumentLibrary already uses DublinCore, topics, subject/metadata
hierarchy, and a submit/review/publish workflow. So does CMF. CMF-ising
DoucumentLibrary would mean that all the other objects that CMF already
handles (articles, links, news-items, and soon RSS feeds and emails) would
be accessible to DocumentLibrary, widening its scope and perhaps moving it
towards being even more of a "knowledge-base" application? It would also
allow it to use add-ons like the DCWorkflow product, and fledgling workgroup
stuff to tailor it better for individual organisations (who, of course, will
need more Kaivo training courses ;-)

3. Some of the work has already been done? I think Seb has already produced
functionality to get Word and Excel documents (and browser
Favorites/Bookmarks) into CMF?

The defence rests, your honour!

BTW I hope this doesn't sound like one of those "I want Zope to do xyz, and
I want someone to do it for me" emails! I would be happy to help out anyway
I can, if you decide to give it a go, Casey!  :-)

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Cheers, Jon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cduncan@kaivo.com [mailto:cduncan@kaivo.com]
>
> Jon Edwards wrote:
> >
> > Casey, does the same logic apply if I ask you to "CMF-ise"
> DocumentLibrary?
> > ;-)
> >
>
> I'm afraid that I have to "CMF-ise" myself first, which I am presently
> not incredibly motivated to do. However, bribery has been known to
> enhance my motivation 8^)
>
> --
> | Casey Duncan
> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
> `------------------>
>


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From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue Jul  3 16:59:03 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:59:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Where do CMF get the "Creator" variable from ?
Message-ID: <01070316274304.08433@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I would like to be able to display my users real name instead of just their 
username. I have added a property to the memberdata object called real_name.

Now I want to display my users realname in the blark at my CMF portal. In the 
code for the Blackfolder_view method it display the &dtml-Creator; variable. 
So I thought that maybe I could find the user object with the Creator ID and 
ask for the real name. But no ... I have tried this:

 <dtml-let created_by="portal_membership.getMemberById(Creator)">
  <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('realname',created_by.real_name)">
 </dtml-let>

But I get this error:
Error Type: AttributeError
Error Value: 'None' object has no attribute 'real_name'

So I guess it isn't a valid user object it returns.

Any ideas ?

Regards,
-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
..Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows NT
(also known as the Good, the Bad and the Ugly). 

	- Matt Welsh


From sedat@kibele.com  Tue Jul  3 18:15:47 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (Sedat Yilmazer)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:15:47 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Where is the file_edit
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From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul  3 19:13:47 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:13:47 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Where is the file_edit
In-Reply-To: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C4E4@kibele.localnet.net>; from sedat@kibele.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 08:15:47PM +0300
References: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C4E4@kibele.localnet.net>
Message-ID: <20010703191346.I19615@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Sedat Yilmazer <sedat@kibele.com> [010703 18:20]:
>  
>  I have created a Windows client to upload office docs to a CMF folder. But I am not happy with the implementation and would like to switch to xmprpc ( OK I want to plat with it a little bit)
>  
>  Now, I can create the f'ile by calling the invokeFactory,  Set the metadata via setXxxxx methods but I could not find anything like 'file_edit' anywhere inn the zope installation. Where is it? how it is get called?

If you look in CMFDefault/File.py, you'll see a method called 'edit',
which should tell you all you need to know...

> Note: Does anybody have a sample on creating a doc. in CMF portal?

What do you mean, creating a doc?  There's lots of examples of
creating files etc in the CMFDefault skins.

hth

seb


From norman@khine.net  Tue Jul  3 19:07:15 2001
From: norman@khine.net (Norman Khine)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:07:15 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CatalogQuery-0.1 not showing in the drop-down menu
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOOEAACFAA.norman@khine.net>

Hi Casey,
Thanks for the advice, but unfortunantly, I don't understand it.

This is what I have done so far:

Using my existing ZCatalog from the CMF I clicked on the vocabulrly folder
and queried this?! The query field looks the same as before I installed the
CatalogQuery-0.1, just one box. So I am assuming that we use DTML Methods to
create the search, so looking at the example you kindly supplied me with

<dtml-in expr="MyZCatalog.query('title != 'spam and eggs')">

I get an error

Error Type: SyntaxError
Error Value: invalid syntax (line 1)

Q. How do I use the product to query the CMF Catalog.

Many thankx

Norman

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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Tue Jul  3 19:02:46 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:02:46 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: CatalogQuery-0.1 not showing in the drop-down menu
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOOEAACFAA.norman@khine.net>
Message-ID: <3B4208C6.4D840815@kaivo.com>

Norman Khine wrote:
> 
> Hi Casey,
> Thanks for the advice, but unfortunantly, I don't understand it.
> 
> This is what I have done so far:
> 
> Using my existing ZCatalog from the CMF I clicked on the vocabulrly folder
> and queried this?! The query field looks the same as before I installed the
> CatalogQuery-0.1, just one box. So I am assuming that we use DTML Methods to
> create the search, so looking at the example you kindly supplied me with
> 
> <dtml-in expr="MyZCatalog.query('title != 'spam and eggs')">
> 
> I get an error
> 
> Error Type: SyntaxError
> Error Value: invalid syntax (line 1)
> 
> Q. How do I use the product to query the CMF Catalog.
> 
> Many thankx
> 
> Norman
> 

Sorry, that should have read:

<dtml-in expr="MyZCatalog.query('title != ``spam and eggs``')">

Please read:

http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/CatalogQuery/HowTo

for more information.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From marc@bowery.com  Tue Jul  3 19:04:17 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:04:17 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: MFPhotoAlbum-0.22.tar.gz
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0107031941540.1274-100000@js.aixtraware.de>
Message-ID: <B7678161.2FAF3%marc@bowery.com>

A bug in the doc!  Thanks...

> From: Joachim Schmitz <js@aixtraware.de>
> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:52:28 +0200 (CEST)
> To: marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com>
> Subject: Re: MFPhotoAlbum-0.22.tar.gz
> 
> Hi Marc,
> 
> that did it, so perhaps you should update your INSTALL.txt:
> from:
> 
> Once you import this thing into your Products directory
> 
> to:
> go to you Zope-Root and issue the command:
> 
> tar xvzf CMFPhotoAlbum-0.22.tar.gz
> 
> then restart Zope. Under control_panel/Products you should find:
> 
> CMFPhotoAlbum
> 
> Apparently you created the distribution with the distribution tab, not with
> import/export.
> 
> Thanks for the fast reply.
> 
> 



From sedat@kibele.com  Tue Jul  3 19:23:46 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (Sedat Yilmazer)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:23:46 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Where is the file_edit
In-Reply-To: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9309B1E8@kibele.localnet.net>
Message-ID: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C4E5@kibele.localnet.net>


 Hi

 Ok I have found the missing link - The skins.. I was grep'ing on python =
files and there was nothing...
But my problem still there since the 'edit' method requires a file =
object with a name attached. xmlrpc does not have a 'file' parameter =
type. Maybe we should introduce a file parameter type
  <file>
    <name>name</name>
    <contentType>contentType</contentType>
    <base64>filedata</base64>
  </file>.

 This way we can use all of the available methodes as they are.
=20
 Any suggestions/pointer/products in this direction?

 Sedat=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: seb@lenin.jamkit.com [mailto:seb@lenin.jamkit.com]On Behalf Of seb
bacon
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:14 PM
To: Sedat Yilmazer
Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Where is the file_edit


* Sedat Yilmazer <sedat@kibele.com> [010703 18:20]:
> =20
>  I have created a Windows client to upload office docs to a CMF =
folder. But I am not happy with the implementation and would like to =
switch to xmprpc ( OK I want to plat with it a little bit)
> =20
>  Now, I can create the f'ile by calling the invokeFactory,  Set the =
metadata via setXxxxx methods but I could not find anything like =
'file_edit' anywhere inn the zope installation. Where is it? how it is =
get called?

If you look in CMFDefault/File.py, you'll see a method called 'edit',
which should tell you all you need to know...

> Note: Does anybody have a sample on creating a doc. in CMF portal?

What do you mean, creating a doc?  There's lots of examples of
creating files etc in the CMFDefault skins.

hth

seb



From khine@btinternet.com  Tue Jul  3 19:38:16 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:38:16 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo
In-Reply-To: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHMEHOCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEACCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hi Jon,
Yes, this is exactly what I am looking for, it is great. It is a shame that
it does not work with Netscape.

I have Netscape 6.1 installed, and upon loading of the item to edit I get
the title, summary, BUT then I only get a blank area where the actual body
text should be. The browser is not locked though.

The browser-sniffer is not working, as you say, as it should bring up the
normal text area.

Thanks

Norman

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Edwards [mailto:jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: 03 July 2001 17:38
To: Norman Khine
Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo


Hi Norman,

Thanks for your comments (did you mean to CC the CMF-list by the way, I
think there's a few people on there tackling similar problems?)

I'll have a more detailed look, but in the meantime, here's a quick link
that might help -

http://cmf.zope.org/Members/joned/index_html/view

near the bottom you'll see "WYSIWYG CMF Document Editor". Follow the simple
instructions, and hey presto! WYSIWYG editing for CMF Documents. The link
you mentioned went dead, but luckily I had already downloaded their code
before the site went kaput!

Note : IE 4+ only, it seems to be impossible in Netscape. There's a simple
browser-sniffer in the code which should give non-IE users the normal
textarea, but one person has reported it locked up his copy of Netscape. If
you get a chance to test it with Netscape, I'd appreciate any feedback!

HTH

Cheers, Jon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman Khine [mailto:khine@btinternet.com]
> Sent: 03 July 2001 12:46
> To: Jon Edwards
> Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo
>
>
> Hello Jon,
> A very intresting proposal, I am also in the process of
> refactoring the CMF
> so that it is more "user-friendlier", but must admit my lack of
> programming
> knowledge lets me down considerably.
>
> Never the less, I can coble-somthing together, which seems to work for the
> local intranet, and hopefully will be released soon for the Internet.
>
> Your post in April is very informative and has touched on some
> issues which
> I am having difficulties with, for example, you talk about "d) WYSIWYG
> editor - used a Javascript WYSIWYG html editor for all textarea
> bits on the edit forms (our editors know little HTML and didnt
> want to learn
> Structured Text)."
>
> I have considered using a similar application, but don't know how to
> integrate this with the CMF. There was a PHP version somewhere,
> but I don't
> remeber where.
>
> Also the link provided does not go anywhere for the editor you use, could
> you please provide more details.
>
> From my opinion, as far as the use of CMF, should be precisely for the
> purpose of content mangement that works in a sort of 4-dimensional space:
>
> 1st dimension - application logic
> 2nd dimension - user logic
> 3rd dimension - skin/s
> 4th dimension - preferences
>
> Application Logic - this is the core code used to drive the cmf
> User Logic - this the code that the site administrator has added
> to make the
> cmf suited to his/her needs
> Skins - this is the layer that sits on top of the application, mainly
> aestetic.
> Preferences - those are the preferences that each Portal Member
> has set. For
> example News Items they are intrested to receive only, etc etc..
>
> I have a PHP application, that is very similar to the CMF in the
> respect of
> allowing users to add content and administrators that can administer this
> content, and am currently working to transform this for a 100% Zope/CMF.
>
> Main obsticle so far has been the creation of composite documents
> and as you
> rightly argue, that there is so much divergence, I think we
> should be aiming
> to converge the Zope products so that they are all part of the
> CMF, with an
> option to use them separately, should it be required.
>
> Of your theory, I would explore (ii) and had considered using HTMLgen
> http://starship.python.net/crew/friedrich/HTMLgen/html/main.html, by
> creating pre-defined templates for users to add Composite Content
> - throught
> eh CMF, although still in paper-and-pen stage ;^)
>
> But I think the biggest leap for zope-kind will be made when "Member A"
> types on their document-processor a formatted type (eg MSWord
> doc, PDF file,
> Excell File, Quark document -- whatever content), this then is
> saved on the
> cmf and indexed appropriately from the Prefernces of the
> application and as
> specified by the portal administrator -- and all of this is done
> transparrantly -- and available to the Internet/intranet following the
> review.
>
> Perhaps versioning can be accomplished by the versioning tool,
> thats already
> being used with zope?!
>
> Any way some food-for-thought.
>
> All the best
>
> Norman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Jon Edwards
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:59 AM
> To: Seb Bacon; Zope-Cmf
> Cc: wilson@visi.com
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo
>
>
> Tim wrote -
>
> > I thought this was so cool I submitted the link to Slashdot. Hope that's
> OK
> > with you! :-) (a joke, don't panic)
>
> You had me reaching for the valium for a moment there!
>
> > I would encourage you to post as much info as you can cobble together
> about
> > your experience working on this. It would seem that this is very similar
> to
> > what I'd like to try to do with my school's site.
>
> I'm working on it! I thought Seb's suggestion that people building CMS
> functionality on top of CMF should define a few "standards" to improve
> interoperability was excellent, so I'm trying to produce something along
> those lines.
>
> (Seb, 'scuse me if I paraphrased you clumsily, any chance you could post
> your initial thoughts/examples to get us started... just brief
> "back-of-a-cigarette-packet" notes? I think I understand what you
> mean, but
> I'm finding it hard to verbalise! :-)
>
> But, in the meantime, if you're looking for a few ideas Tim, I
> remembered I
> posted an early, clumsy, explanation back in April (seems like a hundred
> years ago!) -
>
> http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-April/006339.html
>
> Comments, suggestions, and anything else that helps me kickstart my brain,
> welcomed!
>
> HTH
>
> Cheers, Jon
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests
>
>
>




From klm@digicool.com  Tue Jul  3 19:33:53 2001
From: klm@digicool.com (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:33:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] tracker (was: Re: Using CMF for a project-centric site?)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107031431210.21484-100000@serenade.digicool.com>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Jon Edwards <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> [...]
> You can see the CMF Tracker that Marc mentioned here -
> http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker - I thought you could download it
> as a product, but I can't find any links, so I may be wrong?
> [...]

The tracker (another in my collection of unsupported beasts) is available
from the Zope CVS repository - for instructions about getting it, see:

  http://www.zope.org/Members/klm/TrackerWiki/TrackerCVSInstructions

Someday, hopefully not too far off, we'll see a much more versatile
implementation based on the CMF - issues and issue messages as CMF
content, workflow tailored to the supporter process (and extensible
for each organization's particular resolution workflows!), etc.  Tres
has looked at this a bit, thinks it should be not hard.  

Question is, will our priority to create it raise soon enough to beat
development by people in the community?  (hint hint!-)

Ken
klm@digicool.com



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 20:55:49 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:55:49 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEACCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIACCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman Khine [mailto:khine@btinternet.com]
> Sent: 03 July 2001 19:38

> I have Netscape 6.1 installed, and upon loading of the item to edit I get
> the title, summary, BUT then I only get a blank area where the actual body
> text should be. The browser is not locked though.

errrrr....!

The code I used is as follows (gratuitously stolen from a post in the Zope
mailinglist archives) -
---------------------------------------------------------------------
<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('ua',HTTP_USER_AGENT)">

<dtml-if "_.string.find(ua,'MSIE')">
   blahblah
   <dtml-var Title>
   blah
   <dtml-var description>

  ...WYSIWYG form

<dtml-else>
   blahblah
   <dtml-var Title>
   blah
   <dtml-var description>


  ...normal CMF form

</dtml-if>
------------------------------------------------------------------

So it's odd that the <dtml-var title> and description are showing up with
Netscape, but not the rest of the normal CMF form

Can anyone enlighten a poor sinner?

Cheers, Jon



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 21:05:43 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:05:43 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo
In-Reply-To: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIACCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHMEIACCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

D'oh!! I'm so dumb!

I bet you're using CMF 1.1?

You need to change the bit after the <dtml-else>

replacing -

<textarea name="text:text"
rows="20" cols="80"><dtml-var text html_quote></textarea>

with -

<textarea name="text:text"
rows="20" cols="80"><dtml-var EditableBody html_quote></textarea>

- due to the changes in 1.1

HTH 

Cheers, Jon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Edwards [mailto:jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 July 2001 20:56
> To: Norman Khine
> Cc: Zope-CMF
> Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Norman Khine [mailto:khine@btinternet.com]
> > Sent: 03 July 2001 19:38
> 
> > I have Netscape 6.1 installed, and upon loading of the item to 
> edit I get
> > the title, summary, BUT then I only get a blank area where the 
> actual body
> > text should be. The browser is not locked though.
> 
> errrrr....!
> 
> The code I used is as follows (gratuitously stolen from a post in 
> the Zope mailinglist archives) -
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('ua',HTTP_USER_AGENT)">
> 
> <dtml-if "_.string.find(ua,'MSIE')">
>    blahblah
>    <dtml-var Title>
>    blah
>    <dtml-var description>
> 
>   ...WYSIWYG form
> 
> <dtml-else>
>    blahblah
>    <dtml-var Title>
>    blah
>    <dtml-var description>
> 
> 
>   ...normal CMF form
> 
> </dtml-if>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> So it's odd that the <dtml-var title> and description are showing 
> up with Netscape, but not the rest of the normal CMF form
> 
> Can anyone enlighten a poor sinner?
> 
> Cheers, Jon
> 


From marc@bowery.com  Tue Jul  3 21:29:44 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:29:44 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] tracker (was: Re: Using CMF for a project-centric
 site?)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107031431210.21484-100000@serenade.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <B767A378.2FB1B%marc@bowery.com>

Sorry, it doesn't seem to be an official product.  CMFTracker is in the CVS
repository for CMF (not in the releases).

I haven't had a chance to try it but I want to set up a site for my
engineering projects and use it....  we'll see!

> From: Ken Manheimer <klm@digicool.com>
> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:33:53 -0400 (EDT)
> To: Jon Edwards <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
> Cc: Zope-Cmf <zope-cmf@zope.org>, openspacemovement@yahoo.com
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] tracker (was: Re: Using CMF for a project-centric site?)
> 
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Jon Edwards <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> [...]
>> You can see the CMF Tracker that Marc mentioned here -
>> http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker - I thought you could download it
>> as a product, but I can't find any links, so I may be wrong?
>> [...]
> 



From marc@bowery.com  Tue Jul  3 21:32:04 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:32:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CVS download errors... names too long!
Message-ID: <B767A403.2FB20%marc@bowery.com>

I'm getting errors with my CVS client (MacCVS 1.6)... it seems like naming
conventions might be getting out of hand??

sample:

cvs server: Updating CMFWiki/skins/wiki
U CMFWiki/skins/wiki/DTML_wiki_copy_page_to_present.dtml
Path component =B3DTML_wiki_copy_page_to_present.dtml=B2 is longer than 31
characters.
Failed to create temporary file. [error =3D -35]
File =B3CMFWiki/skins/wiki/DTML_wiki_copy_page_to_present.dtml=B2 not updated.
[error =3D 1]
U CMFWiki/skins/wiki/PSCOREDUMPS_wiki_copy_page_to_present_handler.py
Path component =B3PSCOREDUMPS_wiki_copy_page_to_present_handler.py=B2 is longer
than 31 characters.
Failed to create temporary file. [error =3D -35]
File =B3CMFWiki/skins/wiki/PSCOREDUMPS_wiki_copy_page_to_present_handler.py=B2
not updated. [error =3D 1]
U CMFWiki/skins/wiki/UNUSED_show_wiki_search_results.dtml
Path component =B3UNUSED_show_wiki_search_results.dtml=B2 is longer than 31
characters.
Failed to create temporary file. [error =3D -35]
File =B3CMFWiki/skins/wiki/UNUSED_show_wiki_search_results.dtml=B2 not updated.
[error =3D 1]
U CMFWiki/skins/wiki/wiki_copy_page_to_present_handler.py
Path component =B3wiki_copy_page_to_present_handler.py=B2 is longer than 31
characters.
Failed to create temporary file. [error =3D -35]
File =B3CMFWiki/skins/wiki/wiki_copy_page_to_present_handler.py=B2 not updated.
[error =3D 1]
U CMFWiki/skins/wiki/wiki_createform_with_doalternate.dtml
Path component =B3wiki_createform_with_doalternate.dtml=B2 is longer than 31
characters.
Failed to create temporary file. [error =3D -35]
File =B3CMFWiki/skins/wiki/wiki_createform_with_doalternate.dtml=B2 not updated=
.
[error =3D 1]



From klm@digicool.com  Tue Jul  3 21:45:36 2001
From: klm@digicool.com (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:45:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] tracker (was: Re: Using CMF for a project-centric
 site?)
In-Reply-To: <B767A378.2FB1B%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107031630470.21484-100000@serenade.digicool.com>

On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, marc lindahl wrote:

> Sorry, it doesn't seem to be an official product.  CMFTracker is in the CVS

Um, right, the tracker is not supported.  (It is "officially" a product,
though - in as much as any zope product is a product!-)

> Sorry, it doesn't seem to be an official product.  CMFTracker is in the CVS
> repository for CMF (not in the releases).

Last i knew, the checked-in CMFTracker was a skeleton, with most of the
fleshed out stuff being help-style use-case documentation, and not much
else.

> I haven't had a chance to try it but I want to set up a site for my
> engineering projects and use it....  we'll see!

I'm unsure which tracker you mean by "it".

>From your "sorry", i presume not the unsupported (but working) product.  

But then, it'd be hard just yet to *use* unimplemented CMFTracker.-)

(If you're interested enough, you may want to embark on some CMFTracker
development.  Tres, who's behind what's there, is on vacation at the
moment, but i expect would appreciate the interest...)

Ken
klm@digicool.com



From david.d.brown@wamu.net  Tue Jul  3 22:26:56 2001
From: david.d.brown@wamu.net (David Brown)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:26:56 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Safety Belts
Message-ID: <3B4238A0.1FB24912@wamu.net>

As I've been browsing through the source of the CMS, I notice that the
safety belt code seems to be duplicated in several places (ZWiki,
Document, elsewhere).

Isn't this something that should be moved into PortalContent, or perhaps
made into it's own mixin?

dave


From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Tue Jul  3 23:02:47 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 00:02:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Where do CMF get the "Creator" variable from ?
In-Reply-To: <E15HSbw-0006ru-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010704000247.011bcb50@pop.dplanet.ch>

Hi Gitte,

As I (as Newby) understood portal_membership you have to feed getMemberById
with the *id* of an object and not with a (the Creator) property of the
object. So try this (not tested):

   <dtml-let created_by=3D"portal_membership.getMemberById(id)">
      <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('realname',created_by.real_name)">
   </dtml-let>

I know the following works with getUserName(), so try this first if the
above does not work:

   <dtml-let created_by=3D"portal_membership.getMemberById(id)">
      <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('realname',created_by.getUserName())">
   </dtml-let>

If you try to get the Member of an object not created by a Member (e.g.
DTML method) getMemberById returns None.
So you probably have to check this case to avoid an AttributeError=
 exception.

   <dtml-let created_by=3D"portal_membership.getMemberById(id)">
      <dtml-if created_by>
         <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('realname',created_by.real_name)">
      <dtml-else>
         <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('realname','n.a.')">
      </dtml-if>
   </dtml-let>


Hope it helps,

Greg

>  <dtml-let created_by=3D"portal_membership.getMemberById(Creator)">
>   <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('realname',created_by.real_name)">
>  </dtml-let>
>=20
> But I get this error:
> Error Type: AttributeError
> Error Value: 'None' object has no attribute 'real_name'
>=20
> So I guess it isn't a valid user object it returns.

_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed Jul  4 09:46:06 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 09:46:06 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] tracker (was: Re: Using CMF for a project-centricsite?)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107031630470.21484-100000@serenade.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B42D7CE.EC105812@nipltd.com>

Ken Manheimer wrote:
> 
> (If you're interested enough, you may want to embark on some CMFTracker
> development.  Tres, who's behind what's there, is on vacation at the
> moment, but i expect would appreciate the interest...)

I'm very interested but have about as much time as you guys ATM. 
Would you be able to help out a newbie if I could find one here at NIP who's
interested?

cheers,

Chris


From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul  4 10:28:18 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (Seb Bacon)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:28:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo
In-Reply-To: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHAEHKCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>; from jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:58:30AM +0100
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHAEHKCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20010704102818.J19615@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Jon Edwards <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> [010703 11:00]:
> I'm working on it! I thought Seb's suggestion that people building CMS
> functionality on top of CMF should define a few "standards" to improve
> interoperability was excellent, so I'm trying to produce something along
> those lines.
> 
> (Seb, 'scuse me if I paraphrased you clumsily, any chance you could post
> your initial thoughts/examples to get us started... just brief
> "back-of-a-cigarette-packet" notes? I think I understand what you mean, but
> I'm finding it hard to verbalise! :-)

That's pretty much what I meant, although I'd go further and say a
standard should the basis for a community implementation, too.  

I see a need for a community / DC standard for a CMF-based CMS,
which takes the best from all worlds.  It should follow the principles
DC has layed out for the CMF - a framework, not an application[1].
Then people can build on top of it however they want.  I haven't
looked closely at Kontentor or MetaPublisher yet, and should do. 

The main problems, I think, are:

 - Page composition.  
   How are pages composed?  There have been some discussions about
   CompositeContainers and the like elsewhere.  It would be nice if
   the vanilla CMF Types could be used as bits of pages - a text block
   here, an Image there.
   Structurally, I think pages should follow the Composite pattern [2]
   so that they can be recursively composed.  You should be able to
   create widgets, sets of widgets, images, groups of images, etc, and
   treat them all uniformly.  You'd have to mixin some extra
   funtionality to the components to acheive this, though.

 - Template (layout) editing.
   Should the user / site manager be able to create their own
   templates TTW, or is this a function of the Developer / Designer?
   If a user can add, for example, an image to a page layout, how is
   it added?  Should we borrow from the various flavours of layout
   managers available in GUI toolkits?  Or should we be hiding this
   complexity from the user? 

 - Navigational control
   We need a standard framework for creating navigations, so they can
   be 'dropped in' to any site.  A natural one is to use the Zope
   folder hierarchy, and build navigations by walking the tree(s).
   If we do this, we lose the ability to be location-neutral with
   content; on the other hand, we gain simplicity by reusing an
   existing metaphor.  There is a proposal about defining the
   relationships between documents, I think by Ken, which may be
   relevant here, but I can't access the proposals folder on the
   dogbowl to check.
   
Other (simpler) issues, some one which are not necessarily 
'framework' problems, are: 

  - UI (edit items in situ, or from a different location)
  - Other functions of navigation / site structure, like page
    ordering 
  - Fine-grained 'Template' security: it should be possible to
    restrict content type creation by role, TTW
  - Same goes for skins

Well, that'll do for starters :-)

seb

-- 

[1] See Shane's escape velocity metaphor:
  http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-May/007030.html

[2] I'm referring to the 'gang of four' pattern.  Note for uninitiated -
  Design Patterns, by Gamma et al:
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201633612/ 



From james@codenamefuture.nl  Wed Jul  4 10:09:33 2001
From: james@codenamefuture.nl (James van der Veen)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:09:33 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Date in Dublin Core
Message-ID: <11204746D436D411A6F90004AC5396110D8462@EXCHSRVR1>

Hi all,

I would like to change the date format to dd/mm/yyyy
I think I should do that in de Dublin Core.py module but thanks to my lack
of knowledge of python I would like to ask how to change these lines:

    def Date( self ):
        """
            Dublin Core element - default date

            Return type: string, formatted 'YYYY-MM-DD H24:MN:SS TZ'
            Permissions: View
        """
 Hope someone can help me with this.


Greetz,
James


From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Wed Jul  4 10:12:07 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 11:12:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to work with topics?
In-Reply-To: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C4DE@kibele.localnet.net
 >
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010704111207.0118d060@pop.dplanet.ch>

Hi Sedat,

sorry about the big delay, my inbox was so full that after a first read of
your e-mail I have overseen it later.

Topics appear in the New... object list under "My Stuff" if Members are
allowed to "Add portal topics". So you can achieve this by enabling the
"Add portal topics" for Members in the Security view of your CMF-Folder.

I would recommend to have a look at all permissions. There are a lot of CMF
related settings which allow you to 'customize' the behaviour of your CMF
instance.

Look also at my answer in the same thread:
http://zope.nipltd.com/public/lists/ptk-archive.nsf/46f09f5796214c13802568c1
00635ff2/3004e8e8627769cd80256a700066a1a3?OpenDocument

Greg

At 16:16 01.07.01 +0300, you wrote:
>=20
>  Hi Gregoire
>=20
>  I have seen your mails on the cmf-zope mailing list about CMF Topics. I
am having the very same problems. I did all that was written on
http://cmf.zope.org/doc/admin/AddingTopicsToTheBeta  Then I set the "Add
Toptal topic" for everybody  But then could not find where the "Add
content" screen is ?  If this is the "new" button then there is no item
"Topics" to check
>=20
>=20
>  For the message from Gitte There is no button/link/action to add topics
>=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D Gittes message
> All these portal types (portal content) should be "handled" from the=
 portal=20
> itself.
> Go to your CMF site and login (or join if you are not a member). Then=
 click=20
> on the "My Stuff" link and you will end up in your member folder. From
there=20
> you can add a topic and set it's criteria.
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^
> Regards,
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20
>=20
>  Could you share your experience
>=20
>  Best Regards
> Sedat Yilmazer
> Kibele Iletisim Sis. ve Serv. Ltd.

_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
Rigistr. 31
CH-8006 Z=FCrich
Switzerland
phone:  +41-(0)1-361 66 11
mobile: +41-(0)79-44 11 457
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul  4 11:00:02 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:00:02 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Date in Dublin Core
In-Reply-To: <11204746D436D411A6F90004AC5396110D8462@EXCHSRVR1>; from james@codenamefuture.nl on Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 11:09:33AM +0200
References: <11204746D436D411A6F90004AC5396110D8462@EXCHSRVR1>
Message-ID: <20010704110000.L19615@lenin.jamkit.com>

I presume the YYYY-MM-DD is the ISO date format, as per the DublinCore
spec, so it wouldn't be ideal to change it.  The effective_date and
expiration_date properties, however, are DateTime objects which you
can format as you wish in dtml.  You can either use them, or
bobobase_modification_time if that's what you're interested in.  See
the Book DTML Reference for examples of how to use the fmt attribute
of <dtml-var> to format dates.

seb


* James van der Veen <james@codenamefuture.nl> [010704 10:08]:
> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to change the date format to dd/mm/yyyy
> I think I should do that in de Dublin Core.py module but thanks to my lack
> of knowledge of python I would like to ask how to change these lines:
> 
>     def Date( self ):
>         """
>             Dublin Core element - default date
> 
>             Return type: string, formatted 'YYYY-MM-DD H24:MN:SS TZ'
>             Permissions: View
>         """
>  Hope someone can help me with this.
> 
> 
> Greetz,
> James
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests

-- 

   [] j a m k i t 
           
        seb bacon
T:  020 7749 7218
F:  020 7739 8683
M:  07968 301 336
W: www.jamkit.com 


From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Wed Jul  4 10:42:38 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 11:42:38 +0200
Subject: Member Page options (was Re : [Zope-CMF] get a members
 name / 'project' object into  a member folder)
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010704114238.0115a140@pop.dplanet.ch>

Sorry, forgot to copy to the list:

Hi Jon,

Tanks a lot for your answers, they helped me!

> You might want to check out the DCWorkflow product -
> http://cmf.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/DCWorkflow-0.2.tar.gz/view - to help
> you configure your workflow better. There's also been some recent
> discussions about workgroups, see the wonderful "CMF Week in Review 2" -
> http://cmf.zope.org/news/weekly/20010614 ;-)
I'm just trying to construct a new workflow (paused the=20
last few days). There is not a lot of doc around this=20
CMF-Product, so I'll see, what I am able to do.

> I'm facing a similar problem to you - lots of organisations which need=
 kinda
> sub-portals - so it would be good to bounce some ideas round!
Yes, we can do that!

For me it would be nice if the subportals could 'talk'=20
to each other and the main portal. Every (sub-)portal=20
should have the possibility to subscribe to the news=20
channels of other subportals and list their news=20
in their own news channel.

So there is a need for the opposite of FFS/RSS and a=20
kind of trigger to inform about new object to be=20
reviewed for listing in the own portals news channel.

Greg
_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
Rigistr. 31
CH-8006 Z=FCrich
Switzerland
phone:  +41-(0)1-361 66 11
mobile: +41-(0)79-44 11 457
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Wed Jul  4 10:48:06 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 11:48:06 +0200
Subject: Member Page options (was Re : [Zope-CMF] get a members
 name / 'project' object into  a member folder)
In-Reply-To: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHGEIHCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
References: <3.0.6.32.20010704112626.011f9570@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010704114806.0115eec0@pop.dplanet.ch>

Hi Jon,

> I think I have answers to some of your problems (well, "proto-types" is
> probably a better word)!
Hu, cool! I would be interested if you have time to talk and discuss about=
 it.

On my side I am working on a demo prototype, but not with nested cmf=20
instances. That would be for the time after the prototype.

> But would you mind resending this message, and copying it to the CMF-list?
> There's a few people wrestling with similar problems, and it helps to have
> all the dicsussions in one place. :-)
I just forgot as every second time :-(

Greg

_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
Rigistr. 31
CH-8006 Z=FCrich
Switzerland
phone:  +41-(0)1-361 66 11
mobile: +41-(0)79-44 11 457
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul  4 12:42:43 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:42:43 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] site down
Message-ID: <20010704124243.Q19615@lenin.jamkit.com>

Just in case DC folks weren't aware - the Dogbowl is Down:

http://cmf.zope.org/Members/

Error type: Disconnected
Error value: This action is temporarily unavailable.<p> 


From vcherep@yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 13:52:12 2001
From: vcherep@yahoo.com (Volodymyr Cherepanyak)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 15:52:12 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Yet Another CMF Site (yACS)
Message-ID: <3B43117C.D87839E6@yahoo.com>

We, are polishing look and functionality of our portal:

  http://www.uorbi.com/

It is place where people can post resume and search them. It is CMF 1.0
and we are not porting to CMF 1.1 yet because different architectureal
nuances. Link is slow, so be patient, please :) We'd like to get
feedback.

Tips and Tricks: Classical CMF functionalty can be achieved only in
Basic skin.

Thanks,

Volodymyr Cherepanyak



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul  4 14:58:06 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:58:06 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Suggestion - Modular Documentation
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIMCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

I have a half-baked idea - Modular Documentation for the CMF and CMF-related
products.

The best comparison would be with the help-pages that are included with some
Zope products (except we're aiming the docs at end-users, not Zopers).

So, new/existing documentation is broken down into bite-sized chunks of
low-level html text - nothing more complicated than a <h2> or <strong> tag
allowed, in fact the community could define a set of "permitted tags"
(though we might need something fancier to allow screenshots to be
included?). We could also define standard formats for a help-doc, e.g. each
doc should have, header, intro, explanation of each function, page headers
should be <h2>, section headers should be <h3>, and so on?

Producers of CMF-products, or people training end-users, then have a range
of readymade doc fragments (to which they add their own, for their specific
needs) which they can bundle together, apply their own stylesheet and
pageheaders/footers, and hey-presto, a user manual!

If I use some of Swishdot's functionality in one of my projects, I just take
the doc-fragments for the Swishdot functions I'm using and bundle them up
with the bits I need from other products, as above.

When some functionality changes, only a small amount of documentation needs
to be altered and reprinted/redistributed.

I think this is similar to what the ZDP aimed to achieve? It'd be
interesting to find out why they didn't get a better uptake. It may be that
the modular/plug-n-play nature of CMF is better suited to this approach?
There's more incentive for people producing products to use the standard, as
they gain by being able to use all the other readymade docs in their own
user-manual?

Does that sound bakeable? :-)

Cheers, Jon



From marc@bowery.com  Wed Jul  4 15:33:18 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 10:33:18 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Suggestion - Modular Documentation
In-Reply-To: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIMCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B768A16D.2FBDC%marc@bowery.com>


> From: "Jon Edwards" <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> So, new/existing documentation is broken down into bite-sized chunks of
> low-level html text - nothing more complicated than a <h2> or <strong> tag
> allowed, in fact the community could define a set of "permitted tags"
> (though we might need something fancier to allow screenshots to be
> included?). We could also define standard formats for a help-doc, e.g. each
> doc should have, header, intro, explanation of each function, page headers
> should be <h2>, section headers should be <h3>, and so on?

CSS would be good for this...




From andrew@digicool.com  Wed Jul  4 18:41:38 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:41:38 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] site down
References: <20010704124243.Q19615@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c104b0$94394160$109ff9d0@enfer.netcasting.net>

I've restarted it. back up and running again.
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "seb bacon" <seb@jamkit.com>
To: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 4:42 AM
Subject: [Zope-CMF] site down


> Just in case DC folks weren't aware - the Dogbowl is Down:
>
> http://cmf.zope.org/Members/
>
> Error type: Disconnected
> Error value: This action is temporarily unavailable.<p>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>



From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul  4 16:35:45 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:35:45 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Suggestion - Modular Documentation
In-Reply-To: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIMCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>; from jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk on Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 02:58:06PM +0100
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIMCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20010704163544.S19615@lenin.jamkit.com>

( use StructuredTextNG, not HTML ... )

I think a doc-as-you-go standard is a very good idea.  You're thinking
of users *and* developers, right?  The requirements are very different
for these groups.  For developers, the most important documentation
apart from the source (including, preferably, interfaces and nice
comments) would probably be an API for the tools / services - which
should be plugged into the Overview tab.

For users, since at least half of user documentation is related to the
UI, the correct place for help is with each skin.  I'm not sure how
reuseable help would be between skins.  Do you have any examples in
mind to demonstrate how you think it might work?

In principle it's an excellent idea, but requires a lot of discipline
by developers and simple, strong, easy to follow documentation
guidelines / APIs, and a lot of metawork - in other words, someone to
drive it who's got quite a lot of spare time.  I think this has been a
problem with ZDP quite often.

seb

* Jon Edwards <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> [010704 15:03]:
> I have a half-baked idea - Modular Documentation for the CMF and CMF-related
> products.
> 
> The best comparison would be with the help-pages that are included with some
> Zope products (except we're aiming the docs at end-users, not Zopers).
> 
> So, new/existing documentation is broken down into bite-sized chunks of
> low-level html text - nothing more complicated than a <h2> or <strong> tag
> allowed, in fact the community could define a set of "permitted tags"
> (though we might need something fancier to allow screenshots to be
> included?). We could also define standard formats for a help-doc, e.g. each
> doc should have, header, intro, explanation of each function, page headers
> should be <h2>, section headers should be <h3>, and so on?
> 
> Producers of CMF-products, or people training end-users, then have a range
> of readymade doc fragments (to which they add their own, for their specific
> needs) which they can bundle together, apply their own stylesheet and
> pageheaders/footers, and hey-presto, a user manual!
> 
> If I use some of Swishdot's functionality in one of my projects, I just take
> the doc-fragments for the Swishdot functions I'm using and bundle them up
> with the bits I need from other products, as above.
> 
> When some functionality changes, only a small amount of documentation needs
> to be altered and reprinted/redistributed.
> 
> I think this is similar to what the ZDP aimed to achieve? It'd be
> interesting to find out why they didn't get a better uptake. It may be that
> the modular/plug-n-play nature of CMF is better suited to this approach?
> There's more incentive for people producing products to use the standard, as
> they gain by being able to use all the other readymade docs in their own
> user-manual?
> 
> Does that sound bakeable? :-)
> 
> Cheers, Jon
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests

-- 

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From vcherep@yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 16:08:45 2001
From: vcherep@yahoo.com (Volodymyr Cherepanyak)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 18:08:45 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Yet Another CMF Site (yACS)
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOKEPICKAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3B43317D.1F97367E@yahoo.com>

Norman Khine wrote:

> Your Employment site is really cool, tell though what type of architectural
> problems are you experiencing? One annoying thing is that the use of ActiveX
> slows down the progress, not many people would have their settings as you
> would expect them to.
>
> Did you build two sets of skins one for Employer and the other for employee,
> if so from the registration method can you explain how you manage to do this.
>
> Also are you using the ZODB or a relational database to store your results. I
> am looking to do a similar job board but was following the
> http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/MySQL/PerfectJob/ setup. It is very similar
> to your settup, I suppose.
>
> Any how keep up the good work
>
> Regards
>
> Norman

Thanks Norman,

Regarding our architectural problems: I posted question "New CMF, old Content
issue" on 22nd of June on zope-cmf:
http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-June/007756.html
Everything  is implemented as ZClasses. (Now we are working on python
translation.)
ActiveX is because of Flash banner(s) and is only for now, on this development
stage.

We got several skins but they are just for visualization. Employer and Employee
have corresponding roles besides Member.

We are using ZODB now, it looks quite OK. As soon as ZODB become suffering we
will switch to Oracle.

Regards,

Volodymyr Cherepanyak.



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul  4 17:29:24 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:29:24 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Suggestion - Modular Documentation
In-Reply-To: <20010704163544.S19615@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHOEIOCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

> ( use StructuredTextNG, not HTML ... )

<mini-rant>

bleeeucccch!! Am I the only person in the world who doesn't "get"
Structured-Text? (That was a rhetorical question, *please* don't answer it!
I know it's just laziness on my part!) ;-)

</mini-rant>

> I think a doc-as-you-go standard is a very good idea.  You're thinking
> of users *and* developers, right?

Well, I'm thinking of users. I wouldn't feel even slightly qualified to
produce docs for developers, but if a similar approach would work for them,
that's a bonus.

But I know that, sooner or later, I'm going to have to write training-notes
and user-manuals for our customers, so that was my motivation.

> The requirements are very different
> for these groups.  For developers, the most important documentation
> apart from the source (including, preferably, interfaces and nice
> comments) would probably be an API for the tools / services - which
> should be plugged into the Overview tab.

Actually, I think there are three "audiences" for CMF, each of which needs
their own documentation (and this kinda links back to last week's discussion
about how to market the CMF against more commercial competitors) -

1. Developers - a wide range, but I would *very* broadly define this as
"most people who subscribe to this list" - people who are going to use DTML
and/or Python to customise CMF.

2. Integrators (there must be a better word for this?) - people in the IT
departments of the SMEs mentioned last week, who are looking for an "instant
intranet" and need to know how to install and do some basic
customisation/setup, without needing to learn any DTML/Python. (They also
want to find some docs to print out for their users - if these docs are
easily customisable by anyone with a basic knowledge of HTML/CSS, so much
the better).

3. End-users - the "customers" of groups 1 and 2. From bitter experience, I
know that these people have a congenital allergy to F1/Help keys! You have
to give them dead-trees!

> For users, since at least half of user documentation is related to the
> UI, the correct place for help is with each skin.  I'm not sure how
> reuseable help would be between skins.  Do you have any examples in
> mind to demonstrate how you think it might work?

I think you're right, the skin-level is the perfect way to divide
documentation into "chunks".

So, for example, there's a help-doc for the folder-contents screen. If your
product uses folder_contents "as is", you have a readymade page for your
manual. If you customise folder_contents, you customise the help-doc to
match. If you're distributing your product to a wider audience, you include
your customised help-doc in the package.

> In principle it's an excellent idea, but requires a lot of discipline
> by developers

It would be very much a "voluntary standard" - if you're producing a product
that you hope will be used widely, it's in your interests to use the
standard, as it means less work for you to produce user-documentation, and
it means your documentation is easy for the Integrators to slot into the
"CMF Manual" for their end-users.

> and simple, strong, easy to follow documentation
> guidelines / APIs, and a lot of metawork - in other words, someone to
> drive it who's got quite a lot of spare time.

Well, I think perhaps it's the sort of thing someone at DC should "own", if
they think it's a good idea? But, as I said, at some point I'm gonna have to
do user-docs (and there must be other people in a similar situation?), so
I'd be happy to contribute.

Hope that makes sense?

Cheers, Jon



From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul  4 20:22:48 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 20:22:48 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflow probs
Message-ID: <20010704202248.C25562@lenin.jamkit.com>

I'm using a recent CMF, and I'm finding workflow-wrapped methods
aren't getting reindexed.  The problem appears to be rooted in the
wrapWorkflowMethod function from WorkflowCore pasted below; it only
calls an object 'with notification' if its Workflow has a method
called 'isWorkflowMethodSupported' - and only the DCWorkflow answers
this description currently. 

One for the Tracker?

seb

----

    security.declarePrivate('wrapWorkflowMethod')
    def wrapWorkflowMethod(self, ob, method_id, func, args, kw):
        '''
        To be invoked only by WorkflowCore.
        Allows a workflow definition to wrap a WorkflowMethod.
        '''
        wf = None
        wfs = self.getWorkflowsFor(ob)
        if wfs:
            for w in wfs:
                if (hasattr(w, 'isWorkflowMethodSupported')
                    and w.isWorkflowMethodSupported(ob, method_id)):
                    wf = w
                    break
        else:
            wfs = ()
        if wf is None:
            # No workflow wraps this method.
            return apply(func, args, kw)
        return self._invokeWithNotification(
            wfs, ob, method_id, wf.wrapWorkflowMethod,
            (ob, method_id, func, args, kw), {})


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 00:10:46 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 00:10:46 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo (LONG!)
In-Reply-To: <20010704102818.J19615@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIPCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: seb@lenin.jamkit.com [mailto:seb@lenin.jamkit.com]On Behalf Of Seb
> Bacon
> Sent: 04 July 2001 10:28
>
> > just brief "back-of-a-cigarette-packet" notes?

Thanks Seb, that helps a lot.

That's a big cigarette-packet, what are you smoking? ;-)

> That's pretty much what I meant, although I'd go further and say a
> standard should the basis for a community implementation, too.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that only people currently working on a CMS
should contribute

> I see a need for a community / DC standard for a CMF-based CMS,
> which takes the best from all worlds.  It should follow the principles
> DC has layed out for the CMF - a framework, not an application[1].

So, in layman's terms, we're trying to produce a spec for a "portal_CMS"
tool? Different people can produce different versions (just as they can with
the portal_workflow tool), but as long as they all adhere to that spec,
users will be able to pick and choose which one they use?

Actually, to use your examples below, you might have several tools -
portal_layout, portal_navigation, portal_compdocument, etc. In an ideal
world, it would be great if they were all interchangeable (so you could use
one CMS' portal_layout with another CMS' portal_navigation), but that's
maybe a bit over-ambitious for now? :-)

I'm not qualified to design the underlying API structure (to me, "Design
Patterns" are what my girlfriend looks at when she's choosing new curtains)
but I've added my thoughts below, in the hope that they might help!

Personally, I subscribe to the "Lumberjack" methodology of software design -
keep hacking till it falls into place! ;-)

Warning : What follows is very long, cos I've tried to explain how we do it
now, and how I think it should be done (or how I intend to rewrite it)

> The main problems, I think, are:
>
>  - Page composition.
>
>  - Template (layout) editing.

In our system (see the original post in this thread if you want to login as
an editor and play along!), I think we're working along the lines you
describe for Page Composition. Each page is a folder, with properties that
determine what it looks like and what it contains.

The main ones are -
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Layout choice -

- which page template/skeleton to use. Properties for everything except the
central "body" of the page are stored in the layout - handy for quickly
creating consistent pages, but means you have to create a new layout even
for small changes (like having a different header-colour for different
sections of your site, for example).

I'm thinking of storing more of these properties at the page-level, then
when you add a new page, it automatically pulls its properties from the next
above it in the hierarchy. That way you, hopefully, get the best of both
worlds - quick and easy to add new pages that fit the look of the rest of
the site, but with the ability to tweak them if necessary.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Stylesheet -

- the combination of being able to pick from several different layouts and
stylesheets solves one of the problems of the "portals within portals"
discussion - different sections of your site can have different layouts and
colour-schemes, but you can still inherit things like headers or news-box
from higher up, giving some consistent elemnts across all your
"sub-portals".

See also the ideas about making stylesheets more editable (and creating a
Site StyleGuide) in the thread about the wysiwyg editor.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Section choice -

- a picklist of which method to show in the central "body" of the page. If I
had composite-docs, this is where I'd see most use for them - composite docs
created anywhere on the site would be included in the picklist (perhaps with
some filtering according to what section you are in, and what permissions
the page editor has?).

At the moment, each one is a dtml-method (which functions a bit like a
composite-doc would). I think every one of the methods in the list will work
from any page in the site, so feel free to try a few! Though some of them
may give an empty page, depending on whether there are any content-objects
in the folder you are playing with.

All the methods live happily together in a folder in skins, and when you
choose one, you are not copying anything into your page-folder, just calling
the method.

Gregoire, I think this solves the problem you mentioned for "portals within
portals", where you want some content to be "syndicated" within the site,
without the hassle of RSS? For example, you can select the "PCG
Announcements" option for any page in the site. The content will be the
same, but the page-layout of that section may be different, and the
stylesheet properties may be different, so that it fits in with the local
design.

These methods are of three types -

1. Methods that do something with the content-objects stored in the actual
page-folder itself - "List all items", "List selected items", "Members
Weblog", and "Sub-folders list". "Members Weblog" for example, isn't a real
weblog! It just displays all the documents in its folder, in reverse order
of last-modified date. (a quick hack for now, until I get time to play with
Blark properly!)

2. Methods that display contents from a "hidden folder" - "PCG
Announcements", "Logolinks", and "Self-help page". Normally, whenever you
add a new page, it will automatically be shown in the menu on the left. But
if you go to the Home Page, then click "Folder Contents", you'll see
"xannouncepage", "xlogolinkpage" and "xselfhelppage". These have an extra
"ishidden" property to stop them being displayed by the menu (and I prefixed
them with "x" in case someone added one with the same name, by accident -
must find a better way to do this!). If you click on xannouncepage, for
example, you'll see all the documents that are displayed by the "PCG
Announcements" method. Add a new document here (nothing rude please!), and
it will be shown by that method, wherever it is used in the site.

3. Methods that pull content from outside the portal - most of the "News"
sections are just displaying methods that live in the root of the site,
above the portal (so that they can be used in any portal) - this may change
once we get the incoming-syndication tool, but it's a handy trick for
sharing content across several portals.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Introduction -

- a text property of each pagefolder. This text gets shown at the top of the
centre/body of the page. For simple pages, you could actually just type all
your content in here. It's also handy when you are using the "internally
syndicated" methods mentioned above, as it means you can have a custom intro
above the standard content.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

To improve the structure of it all, I wonder if we need an extra object -
something like "Content-object-style"? Describes how a content-object should
be displayed in a particular context, just as a CSS-style describes how a
chunk of text should be displayed in a particular context. You'd use these,
somehow, to define how content-objects should be displayed in composite
docs/layouts. Another half-baked idea! :-)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

<Example>
After logging-in to the demo, go to the Home page.
Click "Change Folder" on the actions-bar at the top.
This form shows you the properties stored for the page.
Most should be self-explanatory, "Section choice" tells it which method to
display in the body of the page.

With the "Layout choice" dropdown, select option 5.
(N.B. Don't try layout 1 - it's one i hacked for a demo, that won't work on
most pages)
Click the "Change" button, then "View"
(OK, it's a very similar layout, but you get the idea! ;-)

Click "Change Folder".
Click the "Edit Page Layout" link next to the dropdown.
Try different colours and borders, but don't change the "Content" settings
or you'll break it (I need to make a select box for these of allowed
content).
Click "View" to see your changes.
Also try different stylesheets and then click "Edit Stylesheet" to play
around with different fonts and colours.

Change the "Content" setting for "Cell 1" from "pcg_pagesmenu" to
"pcg_pagesmenu2".
"View" the page, and the menu on the left will now be a tree-menu
(autogenerated by looking at the folder hierarchy underneath)
</Example>

In terms of the "portals within portals" issue, the one thing I haven't done
is the ability to restrict searches to sub-portals only, rather than the
whole site (this would also apply to the news_box). There was a recent
thread on this, but I haven't tried any of the suggestions yet. So if anyone
has tried them and found one that works nicely, I'd be glad to hear!


>  - Navigational control
>    We need a standard framework for creating navigations, so they can
>    be 'dropped in' to any site.  A natural one is to use the Zope
>    folder hierarchy, and build navigations by walking the tree(s).

This is how I do the auto-generated pcg_pagesmenu/pcg_pagesmenu2 that shows
in the lefthand column.

I think RadioUserland has a kind of central database/list of pages on your
site. Perhaps something like this could be used for more advanced
navigation? Might also be handy when you are adding links to pages to be
able to call up this list somehow, to save you having to surf off, find the
page you want to link to, go back to where you were, then copy in the url?

> Other (simpler) issues, some one which are not necessarily
> 'framework' problems, are:
>
>   - UI (edit items in situ, or from a different location)

I'm not sure what you mean by this Seb?

>
> Well, that'll do for starters :-)

Ditto! ;-)

Apologies for the length of the message!

HTH

Cheers, Jon



From Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de  Thu Jul  5 01:07:49 2001
From: Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de (Christoph Schirmer)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 02:07:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Loggin in/directory/index_html
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I asked that question some days ago, but got no answer. Hopefully
someone can help.

I have a subdirectory that can only be accessed by members having a
specific role. But when the members go to directly to that subdirectory
and log-in, the login-screen stays, and they url changes to cmf site
root.
How can I manage that after loggin in to the subfolder the index_html of
subfolder shows up?

cmf 1.1

Thanks,
Christoph

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From ueck@net-labs.de  Thu Jul  5 01:14:08 2001
From: ueck@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 02:14:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo  .. needs a workflow
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIPCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <006d01c104e7$691c3fa0$6600000a@netlabs.local>

> 
> > I see a need for a community / DC standard for a CMF-based CMS,
> > which takes the best from all worlds.  It should follow the principles
> > DC has layed out for the CMF - a framework, not an application[1].
> 

I completely agree that we need a standard for CMS based on CMF.

I personally think that the DCWorkflow is a good extension to 
CMS's workflow capabilities, but the hole thing is to item-centric.

There was a discussion about Meta-Data stored in Mementos which
could be used for an extended Workflow model.

for example:
one can't define a
- workflow with more than one object
- higher-level publish/review workflow with several People involved
- workflow needed for group-ware functionality
the CMFTracker would probably need an extended workflow as well.

It would be a big benefit for all CMF-Sites to have an extended
workflow, using it for UserInterface, CMS, DocumentManagement, Tracker ...

I had many thoughts about that and do not have any answers right now.

I worked on a product that included a workflow-engine but it
was not as flexible as i thought.

I think about to implement an optional replacement for portal_workflow.

are there any projects going on that may have the same goals?


cheers

Ulrich Eck
net-labs

p.s. There is a proposal for another workflow-engine under:

http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/WorkflowForZope

which is based on an open-source implementation of a workflow-engine
based on xml. This implementation is much more task-centric






From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed Jul  4 19:31:29 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 19:31:29 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Suggestion - Modular Documentation
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIMCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <20010704163544.S19615@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B436100.D6739F78@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> ( use StructuredTextNG, not HTML ... )

StructedText, why? I gotta agree with Jon, why come up with another form of
markup language when you have to translate it from there into another one
anyway?!

> In principle it's an excellent idea, but requires a lot of discipline
> by developers and simple, strong, easy to follow documentation
> guidelines / APIs, and a lot of metawork - in other words, someone to
> drive it who's got quite a lot of spare time.  I think this has been a
> problem with ZDP quite often.

...and to be blunt, if that's the case, it'll never happen. People with the
knowledge rarely have time to explain it to people, let alone write it down :-(

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul  5 07:46:57 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 07:46:57 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Niggles
Message-ID: <3B440D61.D84A7354@nipltd.com>

Hi there,

How can I get the HTML title displayed for index_html to be something like:

Swishdot : The Open Source Discussion Forum

...rather than...

Swishdot : Swishdot

The first bit is the name of the portal, and should stay that way, but for the
second bit, I'd like to use the document title, which I presume all Zope objects
have, including DTML methods, which would default to the 'title' property of
that object in most situations?

That said, I'm pretty sure FSDTML Methods don't have this attribute. How would I
go about adding it or can anyone suggest an alternative solution to this
problem?

cheers,

Chris

PS: what, if anything, is the 'title' property of stylesheet_properties used
for?



From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul  5 09:54:14 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:54:14 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo  .. needs a workflow
In-Reply-To: <006d01c104e7$691c3fa0$6600000a@netlabs.local>; from ueck@net-labs.de on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:14:08AM +0200
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIPCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <006d01c104e7$691c3fa0$6600000a@netlabs.local>
Message-ID: <20010705095413.D25562@lenin.jamkit.com>

I'm with you on the workflow.  It seems to me that the existing
DCWorkflow stuff is the way to go.  Most of what you are looking for
can be incorporated without too much trouble.

> - workflow with more than one object

I presume you mean, for example, the ability to publish a group of
items at the same time.  Can you give an example of when you might
need to do this?  I'm thinking there are various scenarios where it's
desirable, and they might have different possible solutions.

> - higher-level publish/review workflow with several People involved

Do you mean some kind of routing / ticketing mechanism?
e.g. Fred approves It, then it goes to Lisa to be approved, then
Denise can edit it, then Fred publishes it.

> - workflow needed for group-ware functionality

Not sure what you mean here.  There have been discussions elsewhere
about using workflows with local roles to manage groups, did you read
them? 

> I think about to implement an optional replacement for portal_workflow.

I don't think the correct implentation would put all this
functionality in a workflow tool: much of it could be accomplished by
incorporating new tools / structures into the existing workflow
framework, or even writing a new Workflow (not a new WorkflowTool).

For example, routing can be achieved by creating a chain of states
with transitions which correspond to passing the buck between
individuals.  Each transition updates a 'notify' property on the
objects' metatdata which triggers a message to be sent to the relevant
user.  

The 'more than one object' scenario could be acheived 
simply by using folder containment and aquisition of security.  You'd
just publish the containing folder.  For a more sophisticated way of
doing it, something could be built on top of ken's OrganisationObjects
(http://cmf.zope.org/rqmts/proposals/OrganizationObjects).  

seb


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul  5 09:54:47 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 09:54:47 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Niggles
References: <E15I4o4-0001hU-00@clever.visp-europe.psi.com>
Message-ID: <3B442B57.77C364AB@nipltd.com>

Don't ask me, ask the list ;-)

Chris

xoph@snafu.de wrote:
> 
> yes, thats something I also wanted to ask. How can this bug (for me it´s a bug,
> the redundancy doesn´t make any sense) be cured?
> 
> Thanks,
> Christoph
> 
> > Hi there,
> >
> > How can I get the HTML title displayed for index_html to be something like:
> >
> > Swishdot : The Open Source Discussion Forum
> >
> > ....rather than...
> >
> > Swishdot : Swishdot
> >
> > The first bit is the name of the portal, and should stay that way, but for the
> > second bit, I'd like to use the document title, which I presume all Zope
> objects
> > have, including DTML methods, which would default to the 'title' property of
> > that object in most situations?
> >
> > That said, I'm pretty sure FSDTML Methods don't have this attribute. How would
> I
> > go about adding it or can anyone suggest an alternative solution to this
> > problem?
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > PS: what, if anything, is the 'title' property of stylesheet_properties used
> > for?
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests


From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul  5 10:35:33 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:35:33 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Suggestion - Modular Documentation
In-Reply-To: <3B436100.D6739F78@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 07:31:29PM +0100
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIMCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <20010704163544.S19615@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B436100.D6739F78@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010705103532.F25562@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010705 09:12]:
> seb bacon wrote:
> > 
> > ( use StructuredTextNG, not HTML ... )
> 
> StructedText, why? I gotta agree with Jon, why come up with another form of
> markup language when you have to translate it from there into another one
> anyway?!

Well, there's not much in it, but here's my reasoning:

1) You can read stx straight from the filesystem as plain text , which
   is nice for developers
2) You don't have to translate it - it happens for you :-P
3) There's supposedly the promise of being able to output it as ps,
   pdf, etc.
4) We'd have to come up with a standard for which tags to use if we
   went with html, whereas stx enforces a decision for you.

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul  5 10:38:28 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:38:28 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Niggles
In-Reply-To: <3B440D61.D84A7354@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 07:46:57AM +0100
References: <3B440D61.D84A7354@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010705103828.H25562@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010705 09:14]:
> The first bit is the name of the portal, and should stay that way, but for the
> second bit, I'd like to use the document title, which I presume all Zope objects
> have, including DTML methods, which would default to the 'title' property of
> that object in most situations?
> 
> That said, I'm pretty sure FSDTML Methods don't have this attribute. How would I
> go about adding it or can anyone suggest an alternative solution to this
> problem?

Use the metadata Title property: &dtml-Title; 

seb


From euroibc@solair1.inter.nl.net  Thu Jul  5 10:24:47 2001
From: euroibc@solair1.inter.nl.net (martin van nijnatten)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:24:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Suggestion - Modular Documentation
References: <E15I50P-0001RU-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3B44325F.B3BA3FBB@solair1.inter.nl.net>

>
> * Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010705 09:12]:
> > seb bacon wrote:
> > >
> > > ( use StructuredTextNG, not HTML ... )
> >
> > StructedText, why? I gotta agree with Jon, why come up with another form of
> > markup language when you have to translate it from there into another one
> > anyway?!
>
> Well, there's not much in it, but here's my reasoning:
>
> 1) You can read stx straight from the filesystem as plain text , which
>    is nice for developers
> 2) You don't have to translate it - it happens for you :-P
> 3) There's supposedly the promise of being able to output it as ps,
>    pdf, etc.
> 4) We'd have to come up with a standard for which tags to use if we
>    went with html, whereas stx enforces a decision for you.
>
> seb

We just started a project to "convert" all Ms-Word documentation into Structured
Text.
The only _real_  problem at the moment is tables !
Tables with 2 columns could be represented in STX (see Zope book) but we really need
tables with more than
2 columns. I really wouldn't know how to handle that. Go back to docbook (via XML
editor) as editing tool ? Naaaahhhhh:
too difficult. The appealing thing about STX is it's simplicity.

Any suggestions ?

Martin


>
>



From jtk@adelphia.net  Thu Jul  5 13:05:36 2001
From: jtk@adelphia.net (Jeff Kowalczyk)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:05:36 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo
In-Reply-To: <E15I50P-0001RU-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <001801c1054a$ce3652f0$c417fea9@dev1>

As long as the discussion is on portal *designs*, I'd like to point out
the .NET portal demo provided at http://ibuyspy.com/portal .

Using tables and with no workflow yet, it has nothing on Zope-CMF as a
framework, but the content items have a very slick TTW creation and page
layout mechanism. For the Businesspeople I've shown it to, this makes
the Portal concept click instantly. The people we'll all be developing
and deploying portals for want this. I think we'd do well to pick up
those features for the default CMF implementation. 

Unfortunately, the admin interface is the one part you *can't* use at
the online demo without a login. However, you can read about it with
illustrations in the "About the Portal" page, and it's easy enough to
install on any Win2K box.

Their store demo is pretty cool, too.
http://www.ibuyspy.com/store/



From robert@redcor.ch  Thu Jul  5 13:27:35 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:27:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Have AutoCAD reader, how to integrate it in CMF
Message-ID: <037e01c1054d$f94c6a80$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

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I have code that can detect if a file is an AutoCAD-DWG and get at its =
thumbnail picture if such a thing is stored.
Now my question, how do I integrate it in CMF so that a *.dwg file is =
automatically detected when it is uploaded into a file object ?

Thanks for your tips
Robert

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From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul  5 14:12:18 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:12:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Have AutoCAD reader, how to integrate it in CMF
In-Reply-To: <037e01c1054d$f94c6a80$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>; from robert@redcor.ch on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:27:35PM +0200
References: <037e01c1054d$f94c6a80$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
Message-ID: <20010705141217.J25562@lenin.jamkit.com>

I'd create a new DWG File Type, based on File, which does the
thumbnail magic, along with actions & skins which display the various
metadata.  Then you just add a file extension predicate of "dwg" to
the content_type_registry .

For an example, have a look at the CMFWordDoc in my MailIn dev bundle
(which I really will get round to finishing and releasing as a
separate product soon.  well, maybe within a month or two...)

  http://cmf.zope.org/Members/seb/JamkitTypes.tar.gz/view

I'd be interested in implementing this myself, if you don't get round
to it - could you send me the code?

seb



* Robert Rottermann <robert@redcor.ch> [010705 13:27]:
> Hi there,
> I have code that can detect if a file is an AutoCAD-DWG and get at its thumbnail picture if such a thing is stored.
> Now my question, how do I integrate it in CMF so that a *.dwg file is automatically detected when it is uploaded into a file object ?
> 
> Thanks for your tips
> Robert

-- 

   [] j a m k i t 
           
        seb bacon
T:  020 7749 7218
F:  020 7739 8683
M:  07968 301 336
W: www.jamkit.com 


From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Thu Jul  5 14:50:16 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:50:16 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo (LONG!)
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010705155016.011b3330@pop.dplanet.ch>

I just forgot to cc to the cmf-list. As every time :-(.

Hi all and especially Jon and the rest participating this thread!

> Warning : What follows is very long, cos I've tried to explain how we do=
 it
> now, and how I think it should be done (or how I intend to rewrite it)
Phuuu!

I'm feeling now like (sorry, phrase/saying in german with=20
translation followed) "Ich sehe den Wald vor lauter Baeumen=20
nicht mehr" (+/- translation: there are such a lot of trees=20
I even can't see the forrest anymore, meaning: such a lot of
details and ideas not yet arranged in my own brain=20
systematically covering the big picture)

Your text contains a lot of good thoughts. See my comments on
some of them.

> [...] trying to produce a spec for a "portal_CMS" tool? [...]
Hm, good idea! Here on the mailing list?

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Layout choice -
> [...]
> [...] but with the ability to tweak them if necessary.
I'am not a fan of letting 'normal' users tweak their layout.
Most of them never use it and the rest of them missuse it=20
(akward colours, etc.) to show to others the could 'program'
a new colour. :-( This kind of persons usualy destroy the
consistence of a site.

Have a look at http://cancernet.nci.nih.gov/usability/#look_and_feel
There is a comment to this covered at the point "Be consistent".

My opinion: As manager of a portal you have to ensure usability and
that usability can not be destroyed or lowered by members.

My a little philosophical approach for information portals is:=20
Let people define their character by their content not by their layout.


> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Stylesheet -
>=20
> [...] different sections of your site can have different layouts and
> colour-schemes, but you can still inherit things like headers or news-box
> from higher up, giving some consistent elemnts across all your
> "sub-portals".
This seems to me to be an important idea. We should note this as=20
a requirement for "the spec" we write (possibly)!

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> [...] composite docs
> created anywhere on the site would be included in the picklist (perhaps=
 with
> some filtering according to what section you are in, and what permissions
> the page editor has?).
... and the role this composite doc plays in that section=20
(better word: context?).

IMHO it is important to have different concepts of content storage and=20
content retrieving structures. If I've understood klm's proposal
(http://cmf.zope.org/rqmts/proposals/OrganizationObjects)=20
right it's that what he's saying also.

example: A member of the PR department of an organisation writes a=20
press report. He wants his report and additional texts and linklistes
to be mentioned in the news section of the org. My "vision": He writes=20
his press report, collects his links and additionaly writes a short
summary with a title for the news item. The whole thing is one peace=20
of content (=3Dcomposite content) showing up in the news section with=20
the summary, the summaries title and a link to the same item in the
press room. There you see the report with additional links to the=20
news item, the link list and the additional documents. In the link=20
list section (ok this is silly) of the org these links are listed but
with hints (in the form of links) to the other parts of the composite
document (aka content).

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Gregoire, I think this solves the problem you mentioned for "portals=
 within
> portals", where you want some content to be "syndicated" within the site,
> [...]
Implementation detail: For the moment "real world" topics ar represented
by cmf-topics and organisations/suborganisations represented by cmf-members.
It's a kind of matrix.

Pros: I can use the CMF out of the box after making some minor tweakings
      on skin layers
Cons: The organsisations can not have theyr own members.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Introduction -
> [...]
> To improve the structure of it all, I wonder if we need an extra object -
> something like "Content-object-style"? Describes how a content-object=
 should
> be displayed in a particular context, just as a CSS-style describes how a
> chunk of text should be displayed in a particular context. You'd use=
 these,
> somehow, to define how content-objects should be displayed in composite
> docs/layouts. Another half-baked idea! :-)
See above at "[...] composite docs", I think we talk about the same! We=20
have to bake a little more here!

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> <Example>
I've tried your example and it's nice. The Java-Script-Editor is cool!=20
I restored the previous values.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> In terms of the "portals within portals" issue, the one thing I haven't=
 done
> is the ability to restrict searches to sub-portals only, rather than the
> whole site (this would also apply to the news_box). There was a recent
> thread on this, but I haven't tried any of the suggestions yet. So if=
 anyone
> has tried them and found one that works nicely, I'd be glad to hear!
Implementation detail: Because the subportals are represented by members=20
in my implementation it's easy for me to restrict searches to subportals=
 only.

I'll give a hint (link and access) on the mailing list when I have=20
something to show.

Greg

P.S.: Perhaps we should change to a better e-mail subject!

_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
Rigistr. 31
CH-8006 Z=FCrich
Switzerland
phone:  +41-(0)1-361 66 11
mobile: +41-(0)79-44 11 457
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul  5 16:00:36 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:00:36 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo (LONG!)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010705155016.011b3330@pop.dplanet.ch>; from gregoire.weber@switzerland.org on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 03:50:16PM +0200
References: <3.0.6.32.20010705155016.011b3330@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <20010705160034.K25562@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Grégoire Weber <gregoire.weber@switzerland.org> [010705 14:51]:
> > [...] but with the ability to tweak them if necessary.
> I'am not a fan of letting 'normal' users tweak their layout.
> Most of them never use it and the rest of them missuse it 
> (akward colours, etc.) to show to others the could 'program'
> a new colour. :-( This kind of persons usualy destroy the
> consistence of a site.

I enthusiatically agree with this (nodding head vigorously).  In our
applications at least, I don't anticipate a need for anyone to create
templates but the original developers & designers.  There's a reason
for the client paying someone else to do their design / usability:
it's not their area of expertise.  Fewer choices, chosen carefully,
enforces a consistent look and feel and makes the clients'
content-managing lives simpler and hopefully more intuitive.

> > [...] different sections of your site can have different layouts and
> > colour-schemes, but you can still inherit things like headers or news-box
> > from higher up, giving some consistent elemnts across all your
> > "sub-portals".
> This seems to me to be an important idea. We should note this as 
> a requirement for "the spec" we write (possibly)!

How does the skins philosophy fit into this?  As gregoire and ken have
pointed out... 

> IMHO it is important to have different concepts of content storage and 
> content retrieving structures. If I've understood klm's proposal
> (http://cmf.zope.org/rqmts/proposals/OrganizationObjects) 
> right it's that what he's saying also.

...the folder containment metaphor / structure is very limited.  IMO,
it's probably a good thing to get away from this paradigm, though
aquisition / inheritance needs to be addressed in any other
implementation, if possible.

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul  5 16:08:14 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:08:14 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] searching 'subportals'
Message-ID: <20010705160813.L25562@lenin.jamkit.com>

> > In terms of the "portals within portals" issue, the one thing I haven't done
> > is the ability to restrict searches to sub-portals only, rather than the
> > whole site (this would also apply to the news_box). There was a recent
> > thread on this, but I haven't tried any of the suggestions yet. So if anyone
> > has tried them and found one that works nicely, I'd be glad to hear!
> Implementation detail: Because the subportals are represented by members 
> in my implementation it's easy for me to restrict searches to subportals only.
> 
> I'll give a hint (link and access) on the mailing list when I have 
> something to show.

I implemented this today by dropping in a new CatalogTool subclass. 

I've got 'Sites' inside each portal, which are portal-like objects.
Each defines a getSite method, something along the lines of
portal_url.getPortal(). 

I added a 'Site' index to the Catalog (in the enumeratedIndexes
method). 

Every time an object is indexed, the catalog_object method wraps the
object with extra information.  I added the line 

  vars['Site'] = object.getSite().getId()

to this method, so every object is now always indexed with a Site
name.

Then in the searchResults method, I added an extra criterion:

        if hasattr(self, 'getSite') and not _checkPermission(
            ManagePortal, self):
            kw['Site'] = self.getSite().getId()

Tada!

If anyone wants the whole Tool, give me a shout.  It's dead simple. 

seb


From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Thu Jul  5 17:37:53 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 18:37:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] searching 'subportals'
In-Reply-To: <E15IBYt-0003qB-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010705183753.011fdc00@pop.dplanet.ch>

Hi Seb,

I would be interested!

Greg


> > Implementation detail: Because the subportals are represented by members=
=20
> > in my implementation it's easy for me to restrict searches to
subportals only.
> >=20
> > I'll give a hint (link and access) on the mailing list when I have=20
> > something to show.
>
> I implemented this today by dropping in a new CatalogTool subclass.=20
> [...]
> Tada!
>=20
> If anyone wants the whole Tool, give me a shout.  It's dead simple.=20
>
> seb



_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Thu Jul  5 17:53:05 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 18:53:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo
In-Reply-To: <E15IBYt-0003qB-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010705185305.011fc640@pop.dplanet.ch>

There is another firm called RedDotSolutions
(http://www.RedDotSolutions.com/) which provides users a very natural way
to submit/edit/author content. Have a look at the small flash animation.

Their concept is very user centric.=20
They seem to have a very capable PR department which made an excellent
product information brochure and flash demo cd where they demonstrate the
usage of their tool.

Could be of interest for DC.

I could send the flash animation to interested persons (its an exe file and
a html file, together 300kbyte).

Greg

> As long as the discussion is on portal *designs*, I'd like to point out
> the .NET portal demo provided at http://ibuyspy.com/portal .
>=20
> Using tables and with no workflow yet, it has nothing on Zope-CMF as a
> framework, but the content items have a very slick TTW creation and page
> layout mechanism. For the Businesspeople I've shown it to, this makes
> the Portal concept click instantly. The people we'll all be developing
> and deploying portals for want this. I think we'd do well to pick up
> those features for the default CMF implementation.=20

_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
Rigistr. 31
CH-8006 Z=FCrich
Switzerland
phone:  +41-(0)1-361 66 11
mobile: +41-(0)79-44 11 457
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From shane@digicool.com  Thu Jul  5 19:01:28 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:01:28 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Niggles
References: <3B440D61.D84A7354@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B44AB78.AB1336FB@digicool.com>

Chris Withers wrote:
> That said, I'm pretty sure FSDTML Methods don't have this attribute. How would I
> go about adding it or can anyone suggest an alternative solution to this
> problem?

Use a document (as opposed to a method) as the home page.

Shane


From shane@digicool.com  Thu Jul  5 19:02:10 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:02:10 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflow probs
References: <20010704202248.C25562@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B44ABA2.64AB500F@digicool.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> I'm using a recent CMF, and I'm finding workflow-wrapped methods
> aren't getting reindexed.  The problem appears to be rooted in the
> wrapWorkflowMethod function from WorkflowCore pasted below; it only
> calls an object 'with notification' if its Workflow has a method
> called 'isWorkflowMethodSupported' - and only the DCWorkflow answers
> this description currently.
> 
> One for the Tracker?

Yep.  The "right" solution isn't obvious.

Shane


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul  5 19:13:16 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:13:16 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Niggles
References: <3B440D61.D84A7354@nipltd.com> <3B44AB78.AB1336FB@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <007c01c1057e$2b6349f0$af627ad5@withers>

> Chris Withers wrote:
> > That said, I'm pretty sure FSDTML Methods don't have this attribute. How
would I
> > go about adding it or can anyone suggest an alternative solution to this
> > problem?
>
> Use a document (as opposed to a method) as the home page.

D'uh! Of course :-)

Where do I find a FSDTML Document?

cheers,

Chris



From shane@digicool.com  Thu Jul  5 19:42:32 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:42:32 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF
Message-ID: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com>

Here at DC a few of us have been working on a component model for Zope. 
We have roughly defined what components should be like in Zope and have
written some documentation.  The next step is to update CMF to be fully
driven by the component model.

So I wrote up a document describing how I think CMF will change.  I am
seeking input from everyone involved in CMF.  Comments encouraged.

http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ApplyComponentModelToCMF

The new Zope component model is very similar to the current CMF model,
so the changes will be small compared with the move from PTK to CMF. 
The major change is in the use of a new concept called "presentation
components" instead of disjoint scripts and methods in the skins tool. 
Related scripts and methods will be grouped together to form a
presentation component.

Keep in mind that details may change next week when people get back from
vacation.  I hope everyone had a great 4th!  (Interpret according to
your nationality :-) )

Shane


From shane@digicool.com  Thu Jul  5 19:48:20 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:48:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Niggles
In-Reply-To: <007c01c1057e$2b6349f0$af627ad5@withers>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0107051445580.5192-100000@shane.digicool.com>

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Chris Withers wrote:

> > Chris Withers wrote:
> > > That said, I'm pretty sure FSDTML Methods don't have this attribute. How
> would I
> > > go about adding it or can anyone suggest an alternative solution to this
> > > problem?
> >
> > Use a document (as opposed to a method) as the home page.
>
> D'uh! Of course :-)
>
> Where do I find a FSDTML Document?

Well, it doesn't exist, but I imagine creating a normal (non-FS) Document
would suffice for most purposes.  What do you think?

Shane



From fm@synchrologic.com  Thu Jul  5 20:12:13 2001
From: fm@synchrologic.com (Frank McGeough)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:12:13 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Repeating Events
References: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <009901c10586$65be2040$c7010a0a@mcgeough>

Is there any plans to introduce the ability to define repeating events? 
Examples: this event happens every Saturday. every year. every month.



From andrew@digicool.com  Thu Jul  5 20:14:30 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:14:30 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Repeating Events
In-Reply-To: <009901c10586$65be2040$c7010a0a@mcgeough>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOEEOPCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

I thought about that feature when I was planning out the CMFEvent, but the
development was not slotted for the initial release.  At this point, I can't
speculate what the future holds for the CMFEvent, though there is quite a
bit I'd like to add to the CMFCalendar product which is lacking at this
point.
I know this is a non-answer, but if I'm reassigned to work on the product to
implement additional features I'd like to be able to say, 'Yes, this is
planned'.
Maybe you could add some discussion to the Product page where future
features could begin being listed out so whomever does the future
implementation of the product has some idea what folks would like.
Andrew
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Frank McGeough
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:12 PM
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] Repeating Events
>
>
> Is there any plans to introduce the ability to define repeating events?
> Examples: this event happens every Saturday. every year. every month.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From aem@byu.edu  Thu Jul  5 20:30:45 2001
From: aem@byu.edu (Adrian Madrid)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:30:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo
In-Reply-To: <001801c1054a$ce3652f0$c417fea9@dev1>
Message-ID: <20010705193045.69840.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jeff Kowalczyk <jtk@adelphia.net> wrote:
> As long as the discussion is on portal *designs*,
> I'd like to point out
> the .NET portal demo provided at
> http://ibuyspy.com/portal .

Thanks for the pointer. It's a great example. I don't
usually go around praising M$ but their portal example
is clean, easy to understand and shares tons of
knowledge wealth for everyone with eyes to see and
ears to hear... ;-)
 
> Using tables and with no workflow yet, it has
> nothing on Zope-CMF as a
> framework, but the content items have a very slick
> TTW creation and page
> layout mechanism. 

I think there nothing to stop us from getting
something even better working with the CMF. I too like
their approach to editing 'on the spot'. I believe
it's very user friendly and intuitive (am I being
redundant again?).

> For the Businesspeople I've shown
> it to, this makes
> the Portal concept click instantly. The people we'll
> all be developing
> and deploying portals for want this. I think we'd do
> well to pick up
> those features for the default CMF implementation. 

I think we should not only copy their aproach on
building user friendly, cleanly designed sites but
have a CMF demo running with a fictional company
running. Let's have people joining and see how easy
and pretty (did I say pretty?) the CMF can be with
real world stuff and pictures.

> Unfortunately, the admin interface is the one part
> you *can't* use at
> the online demo without a login. However, you can
> read about it with
> illustrations in the "About the Portal" page, and
> it's easy enough to
> install on any Win2K box.
> 
> Their store demo is pretty cool, too.
> http://www.ibuyspy.com/store/

Dido. Wouldn't a intranet/extranet/store package be
just wonderful? I think I know what I'm going to be
doing for the rest of the summer...


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---------------------------
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Benson Institute, Webmaster
Brigham Young University
---------------------------
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From gitte@mmmanager.org  Thu Jul  5 23:13:21 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:13:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] XML in Portal Document
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010706001321.00da48a8@mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I have tried to put some XML code into a portal document and it didn't
exactly do as I exptected.
(it's an XML file from slashdot.org)

So I was wondering if it at all is possible to include xml in a portal
document ???

I want to use the slashdot news as a right-sided box in my Blark. As far as
I know the document it includes should be of the type Portal Document. Or
could it be an dtml-method in the skins folder ???
(somehow I can't find the link for the helpfile anymore :-( )

Regards,
Gitte Wange


From jccooper@rice.edu  Thu Jul  5 23:06:42 2001
From: jccooper@rice.edu (J. Cameron Cooper)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 17:06:42 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ZMI inconsistencies for CMFDefault Objects
References: <200107021934.OAA05875@consulting.is.rice.edu>
Message-ID: <3B44E4F2.5030301@rice.edu>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------010304020802020804020006
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

>
>
><pre>
>Type         Metadata   Edit  Properties                
>--------------------------------------------
>Document         y        y        .
>Image            .        y        y
>File             .        y        y
>Link             y        .        .
>Favorite         y        .        .
>News Item        y        y        .
>SkinFolder      (.)      (y)       y
></pre>
>
After a bit of hacking I got it down to:

<pre>
Type         Metadata   Edit  Properties                
--------------------------------------------
Document         y        y        y
Image            y        y        y
File             y        y        y
Link             y        .        y
Favorite         y        .        y
News Item        y        y        y
SkinFolder      (.)      (y)       y
</pre>

..which is pretty good, but I can't figure out how Link/Favorite doesn't get an Edit tab. For all I can tell, it should. Perhaps someone with a better fundamental knowledge of the codebase can tell me.

Anyway, patch is attached (and it's really simple.)

			--jcc


--------------010304020802020804020006
Content-Type: text/plain;
 name="cmf.patch"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline;
 filename="cmf.patch"

--- CMFCore/PortalContent.py    Mon Jun 11 10:10:40 2001
+++ /usr/local/zope/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/PortalContent.py   Tue Jul  3 13:57:42 2001
@@ -92,12 +92,12 @@
      ReviewPortalContent, ModifyPortalContent
 import CMFCorePermissions
 from DynamicType import DynamicType
-from utils import getToolByName, _checkPermission
+from utils import getToolByName, _checkPermission, SimpleItemWithProperties

 from Acquisition import aq_base


-class PortalContent(DynamicType, SimpleItem):
+class PortalContent(DynamicType, SimpleItemWithProperties):
     """
         Base class for portal objects.

@@ -120,7 +120,7 @@
                          , 'action' : 'view'
                          }
                        )
-                     + SimpleItem.manage_options
+                     + SimpleItemWithProperties.manage_options
                      )

     security = ClassSecurityInfo()

--- CMFDefault/File.py  Sun Jun 17 14:21:05 2001
+++ /usr/local/zope/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/File.py Thu Jul  5 10:18:31 2001
@@ -209,6 +209,9 @@
         (CMFCorePermissions.ModifyPortalContent, ('edit',)),
         )

+    # Inheritance from OFS screwing with ZMI tags... must set here
+    manage_options = PortalContent.manage_options
+
     def __init__( self
                 , id
                 , title=''
Only in /usr/local/zope/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/: File.pyc
diff -u CMFDefault/Image.py /usr/local/zope/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/Image.py
--- CMFDefault/Image.py Sun Jun 17 14:21:05 2001
+++ /usr/local/zope/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/Image.py        Thu Jul  5 10:09:51 2001
@@ -199,6 +199,9 @@
     __ac_permissions__ = (
         (CMFCorePermissions.ModifyPortalContent, ('edit',)),
         )
+
+    # Inheritance from OFS screwing with ZMI tags... must set here
+    manage_options = PortalContent.manage_options

     def __init__( self
                 , id
--------------010304020802020804020006--



From ueck@net-labs.de  Fri Jul  6 00:17:11 2001
From: ueck@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:17:11 +0200
Subject: A better CMFworkflow      (was: Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo  .. needs a workflow)
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIPCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <006d01c104e7$691c3fa0$6600000a@netlabs.local> <20010705095413.D25562@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <00a301c105a8$9e750bc0$6600000a@netlabs.local>

Hi seb,

I have talked a lot with kent polk about a better workflow for Zope/CMF.

A Content Management System as well as any other larger CMF-Site
will benefit from a better workflow.

>
> > - workflow with more than one object
>
> I presume you mean, for example, the ability to publish a group of
> items at the same time.  Can you give an example of when you might
> need to do this?  I'm thinking there are various scenarios where it's
> desirable, and they might have different possible solutions.
>


we have collected a few scenarios:

Workflow example 1
---------------------

Simple CRM Task/Document Workflow for an Customer Service:

1. Office Worker gets a supportcall from some customer and registers this in
the SupportTask List
2. OW needs to collect some support information and finds out who can handle
this support call
3. OW redirects/delegates the SupportTask to an Engineer
4. Engineer calls back the customer and hopefully finishes the SupportTask
otherwise it could be delegated to another person
4.a. if the problem could not be solved via hotline .. a Service-Task is
created
and there is a new workflow


Workflow example 2
---------------------

Kent's workflow example for laboratory-staff

- Create Project
  (P.I. creates/manages)

  - Create Pedigree Set (fill out data to be stored in sql table)
    (R.I. creates/manages)

    - Create MasterRack (fill out tabular data, etc)
      (head project genotyper creates/manages)

      - Create Panels (n number of panels)
        (genotyper pool personnel creates/manages)

        - Create n number of samplesheets for each panel
          (genotyper pool personnel creates/manages)

        - process each samplesheet

      - build processed Panels
        (genotyper pool personnel)

      - submit for approval to genotyping database
        (genotyper pool personnel/ lab manger approves)

The nested heirarchy of the project items needs to be maintained.

Workflow example 3
---------------------

One could use such a workflow for applications as well, here an
example for my ongoing network-documentation-project:

Aim:  employees of an university that do inventory of network-hardware and
manages lines, rack-space, etc.

Workflow:
Register a new Component into a existing Subnet:

1. User creates Component

2. User selects Manufacturer/Model, if not existant:
                    allow to create both within workflow

3. User must add at least one physical port to that device
(or more e.g. a switch)

4. User must define at least one logical port for each physical port
    (an ip-address)
    this logical port must match the subnet it is in
    (otherwise let the user create a new subnet)

5. After all he needs to define where the component will be
    installed an who's responsible for it
    and again be able to create all that doesn't exist.

Within this workflow there can start new workflow parts (e.g. when adding a
Subnet, you need a line for that, which is usualy leased from a ISP,
so that needs to be handled when user creates a new subnet)
In such a workflow there could be several people/roles involved.


All these scenarios need a workflow that need more than one object involved.
Object Relations ( defined in meta_data and OrganisationObjects ) would
make things easier.


> > - higher-level publish/review workflow with several People involved
>
> Do you mean some kind of routing / ticketing mechanism?
> e.g. Fred approves It, then it goes to Lisa to be approved, then
> Denise can edit it, then Fred publishes it.
>
yepp

> > - workflow needed for group-ware functionality
>
> Not sure what you mean here.  There have been discussions elsewhere
> about using workflows with local roles to manage groups, did you read
> them?
>
see examples

> > I think about to implement an optional replacement for portal_workflow.
>
> I don't think the correct implentation would put all this
> functionality in a workflow tool: much of it could be accomplished by
> incorporating new tools / structures into the existing workflow
> framework, or even writing a new Workflow (not a new WorkflowTool).
>

I have looked at the code and the basic functionality of the CMFWorkflow.

There is a thight binding of Portal-Type <-> Workflow which does not
represent
real-live-workflows (an object of a certain type is probably member of
serveral
different workflows in his lifetime or at the same time if possible ..)

The mapping portal_type -> workflow is made by the workflow tool ..
This won't work if an object could participate in more than one workflow ..

And there comes the next point .. I not the object type defines the workflow
..
it probably should be defined by a template that is repuested and filled out
with the actual values of the participating objects and workflow-session has
begun ..
now there are several objects in several states with several possible
transistions
and participating users/roles.

I know .. this is a real workflow-engine .. but that's probably the tool
that I (we)
would like to have :-)

what do you think about that??

Ulrich Eck
net-labs



From davelehman@loewen.com  Fri Jul  6 03:26:03 2001
From: davelehman@loewen.com (davelehman@loewen.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:26:03 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Make CMF root of site?
Message-ID: <OF26C7FA0A.AB5936F9-ON86256A81.000D19CF@loewen.com>

I'm sure i've seen the answer to this somewhere but of course I can't for
the life of me find it now...

When I add a new "CMF Site" in Zope, it always puts it in a folder. How can
I make/move it to the root level, so that the default page my users go into
is my CMF site?

--dave




From shane@digicool.com  Fri Jul  6 04:36:30 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 23:36:30 -0400
Subject: A better CMFworkflow      (was: Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo
 .. needs a workflow)
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIPCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <006d01c104e7$691c3fa0$6600000a@netlabs.local> <20010705095413.D25562@lenin.jamkit.com> <00a301c105a8$9e750bc0$6600000a@netlabs.local>
Message-ID: <3B45323E.51BBD0F1@digicool.com>

Ulrich Eck wrote:
> I have talked a lot with kent polk about a better workflow for Zope/CMF.
> 
> A Content Management System as well as any other larger CMF-Site
> will benefit from a better workflow.

Ulrich,

I encourage you to try out the DCWorkflow product.  Although it's still
in its infancy, it provides a good way to implement everything you
listed.  It is not shipped with CMF yet.  It was developed based on
PTK/CMF community feedback that was remarkably similar to yours.

The feature of binding types to workflow definitions is *specifically*
designed to make sub-workflows and multiple simultaneous workflows
possible... and maybe even easy.

If you disagree, however, just make your own portal_workflow tool.  You
don't even have to change the CMF source.  The binding of type to
workflow is only an assumption that the default portal_workflow makes
and nothing else in CMF depends on it.  Really!

Shane


From robert@redcor.ch  Fri Jul  6 07:53:37 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 08:53:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0107051753400.5192-100000@shane.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <000901c105e8$623f4630$49a4023e@karin>

I know translation an component model are two separate things. Somehow.
Both are related in that they need a rethinking of how things are done.
And that's what you are doing (and which I hope can be extended "ein wenig")

> task.  Note, however, that there is only one place (the portal_actions
> tool) that is not fully localizable already.  Have you seen the German
> translation of the CMF?
Here I do not agree. Translation and customization are two different things.
Although skins can be misused for translation they (to my mind) are here for
customization. It just makes no sense to throw all modules of the divers
skins on one big translated heap. Even if you do so you still have lots of
untranslated elements (result of raise statements, many hardcode strings,
descriptions of portal_types ...)
Yes I did look at the German skin. It does stress my arguments.

Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Hathaway" <shane@digicool.com>
To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF


> On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Robert Rottermann wrote:
>
> > I would be showing off pretending I did understand every detail. I
probably
> > have to read some discussion on your paper. So I can not yet talk about
its
> > technicalities.
> > However there is something I am missing badly:
> > Support for translating to non English languages.
> > I will prepare (with help of others) a proposal what we from the non
English
> > part of the world need.
> > I believe it will be a small effort for you to implement and of a great
help
> > to us from the rest of the world.
>
> The translation task is important, but independent of the component model
> task.  Note, however, that there is only one place (the portal_actions
> tool) that is not fully localizable already.  Have you seen the German
> translation of the CMF?
>
> Shane
>
>



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Fri Jul  6 08:14:23 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:14:23 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Make CMF root of site?
In-Reply-To: <OF26C7FA0A.AB5936F9-ON86256A81.000D19CF@loewen.com>
References: <OF26C7FA0A.AB5936F9-ON86256A81.000D19CF@loewen.com>
Message-ID: <01070609142300.01776@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Friday 06 July 2001 04:26, davelehman@loewen.com wrote:
> I'm sure i've seen the answer to this somewhere but of course I can't for
> the life of me find it now...
>
> When I add a new "CMF Site" in Zope, it always puts it in a folder. How can
> I make/move it to the root level, so that the default page my users go into
> is my CMF site?
>
> --dave


We use Apache in front of the ZServer (and finally got it to work *S*). 
Setting up a VirtualHost in Apache with some ProxyPass rules and place a 
SiteRoot object in your CMF folder - you are up and running.

The solution we found is based on this How To:
http://www.zope.org/Members/anser/apache_zserver

Regards,

-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
Oh, I can agree with that. Discipline can be good for you. 

	- Linus Torvalds


From robert@redcor.ch  Fri Jul  6 08:41:14 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:41:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0107051753400.5192-100000@shane.digicool.com> <000901c105e8$623f4630$49a4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <001401c105ef$0abd1110$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

>From the if I would only see my typhos before I send the mail dept:

I know translation an component model are two separate things
should read:
I know translation and component model are two separate things.
RR




From yokemay@apdip.net  Fri Jul  6 09:32:57 2001
From: yokemay@apdip.net (Yoke May Seow)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:32:57 +0800
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Remove addtoFavorites link
Message-ID: <002b01c105f6$440bc400$175ebbca@apdip.net>

Hi,

How can I remove the addtoFavorites link on the Action box? 

Regards,
SEOW Yoke May 
Webmaster @ www.apdip.net
Email: yokemay@apdip.net
ICQ: 321345


From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul  6 10:29:49 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:29:49 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Make CMF root of site?
In-Reply-To: <01070609142300.01776@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>; from gitte@mmmanager.org on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 09:14:23AM +0200
References: <OF26C7FA0A.AB5936F9-ON86256A81.000D19CF@loewen.com> <01070609142300.01776@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <20010706102947.A1317@lenin.jamkit.com>

> We use Apache in front of the ZServer (and finally got it to work *S*). 
> Setting up a VirtualHost in Apache with some ProxyPass rules and place a 
> SiteRoot object in your CMF folder - you are up and running.
> 
> The solution we found is based on this How To:
> http://www.zope.org/Members/anser/apache_zserver

An alternative way of doing the same thing is to use a VirtualHostMonster:

  http://www.zope.org/Members/mwr/VHosts_With_Zope_Default

Largely a matter of taste - I prefer rewrite rules to proxypasses, and
if you use a VHM you keep all the rewriting logic in one place (your
httpd.conf).

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul  6 10:36:45 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:36:45 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Remove addtoFavorites link
In-Reply-To: <002b01c105f6$440bc400$175ebbca@apdip.net>; from yokemay@apdip.net on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 04:32:57PM +0800
References: <002b01c105f6$440bc400$175ebbca@apdip.net>
Message-ID: <20010706103645.B1317@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Yoke May Seow <yokemay@apdip.net> [010706 09:35]:
> How can I remove the addtoFavorites link on the Action box? 

Look in CMFCore/ActionsTool.py; you can remove the offending line
there.  Hopefully this will be TTW configurable, and part of
CMFDefault, soonish?

In the mean time, there are still a number of things you can only
change in the filesystem.  The best way of finding this stuff out is
by using your OS's search facility in your products folder to find the
text. 

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul  6 11:38:03 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:38:03 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow
In-Reply-To: <3B45323E.51BBD0F1@digicool.com>; from shane@digicool.com on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 11:36:30PM -0400
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIPCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <006d01c104e7$691c3fa0$6600000a@netlabs.local> <20010705095413.D25562@lenin.jamkit.com> <00a301c105a8$9e750bc0$6600000a@netlabs.local> <3B45323E.51BBD0F1@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010706113803.D1317@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Shane Hathaway <shane@digicool.com> [010706 04:42]:
> Ulrich Eck wrote:
> > I have talked a lot with kent polk about a better workflow for Zope/CMF.
> > 
> > A Content Management System as well as any other larger CMF-Site
> > will benefit from a better workflow.
> 
> Ulrich,
> 
> I encourage you to try out the DCWorkflow product.  Although it's still
> in its infancy, it provides a good way to implement everything you
> listed.  It is not shipped with CMF yet.  It was developed based on
> PTK/CMF community feedback that was remarkably similar to yours.
> 
> The feature of binding types to workflow definitions is *specifically*
> designed to make sub-workflows and multiple simultaneous workflows
> possible... and maybe even easy.

Yes, I should have made it clear I was referring to the DCWorkflow.  

Ulrich, your use cases are very helpful.  I believe the existing
framework *can* accomodate your requirements, as Shane suggests.  In
the laboratory example, you would start with a Project component
workflow, which has various states.  After it's been created
(approved?) it enters a state which requires the addition of a
Pedigree Set before it can progress.  The pedigree set would have its
own workflow along the same lines.  The groups stuff would be defined
elsewhere via local roles; only 'lab staff' or similar would have the
ability to create Sets to start with.  The Set Workflow could alter
the access permissions on the set depending on its state.

Do you think this would work?

seb


From lists@net-labs.de  Fri Jul  6 11:07:33 2001
From: lists@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:07:33 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIPCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <006d01c104e7$691c3fa0$6600000a@netlabs.local> <20010705095413.D25562@lenin.jamkit.com> <00a301c105a8$9e750bc0$6600000a@netlabs.local> <3B45323E.51BBD0F1@digicool.com> <20010706113803.D1317@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c10603$797a6ee0$3300000a@work01>

>
> Ulrich, your use cases are very helpful.  I believe the existing
> framework *can* accomodate your requirements, as Shane suggests.  In
> the laboratory example, you would start with a Project component
> workflow, which has various states.  After it's been created
> (approved?) it enters a state which requires the addition of a
> Pedigree Set before it can progress.  The pedigree set would have its
> own workflow along the same lines.  The groups stuff would be defined
> elsewhere via local roles; only 'lab staff' or similar would have the
> ability to create Sets to start with.  The Set Workflow could alter
> the access permissions on the set depending on its state.
>
> Do you think this would work?
>

This was kent's example .. so I forwarded your reply to him .. let's see
what he say's.

The more I think about the concept of the DC Workflow the better it fit's my
needs :)

Do you have an example how to involve more than one object in an workflow ..
e.g.
There is one object in a certain state that requires another objects state
to enable
certain transistions. The other object is created and has it's own states
and
transistions where the other depend on ??

did I get this right ??

thanks for your reply

Ulrich Eck
net-labs



From rcam@psouth.net  Fri Jul  6 11:36:28 2001
From: rcam@psouth.net (Bob Campbell)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 06:36:28 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: DC Workflow
Message-ID: <00d601c10607$84076760$f9d8723f@psouth.net>

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Shane wrote....
> The feature of binding types to workflow definitions is *specifically*
> designed to make sub-workflows and multiple simultaneous workflows
> possible... and maybe even easy.
>=20

Hi,
Is this similar to the cloning process used by some workflow engines and =
described by the WFMC in their article; Workflow: An Introduction?

http://www.wfmc.org/standards/docs.htm

We are really interested in CMF/Zope as it relates to workflow involving =
multiple forms, db's and running stuff  cloned and/or running stuff in =
some sort of parallel fashion.

We have DC coming in for Zope training, will DC be doing a CMF course? =
And quickly..-:)

Thanks,

Bob Campbell
Business Line Intranet Development
Commercial Lending
Banknorth Group=20
207-761-8595
=20

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From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul  6 12:25:37 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:25:37 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] searching 'subportals'
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010705183753.011fdc00@pop.dplanet.ch>; from gregoire.weber@switzerland.org on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 06:37:53PM +0200
References: <E15IBYt-0003qB-00@mail.python.org> <3.0.6.32.20010705183753.011fdc00@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <20010706122536.E1317@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Grégoire Weber <gregoire.weber@switzerland.org> [010705 17:49]:
> Hi Seb,
> 
> I would be interested!

I wrote up some notes and I've submitted them.  Hopefully a new item
should appear on the dogbowl later today.

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul  6 12:36:19 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:36:19 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow
In-Reply-To: <004b01c10603$797a6ee0$3300000a@work01>; from lists@net-labs.de on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 12:07:33PM +0200
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIPCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <006d01c104e7$691c3fa0$6600000a@netlabs.local> <20010705095413.D25562@lenin.jamkit.com> <00a301c105a8$9e750bc0$6600000a@netlabs.local> <3B45323E.51BBD0F1@digicool.com> <20010706113803.D1317@lenin.jamkit.com> <004b01c10603$797a6ee0$3300000a@work01>
Message-ID: <20010706123618.H1317@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Ulrich Eck <lists@net-labs.de> [010706 11:10]:
> The more I think about the concept of the DC Workflow the better it fit's my
> needs :)
> 
> Do you have an example how to involve more than one object in an workflow ..

Err... no :-)  I'm adlibbing...

> e.g.
> There is one object in a certain state that requires another objects state
> to enable
> certain transistions. The other object is created and has it's own states
> and
> transistions where the other depend on ??

Hmm, it could get pretty complicated and you'd probably need to
implement some extra registry services to handle the relationships.  I
think it could be done, though.

> did I get this right ??

I reckon so :)

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul  6 12:45:28 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:45:28 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF
In-Reply-To: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com>; from shane@digicool.com on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:42:32PM -0400
References: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010706124527.K1317@lenin.jamkit.com>

All sounds completely fine to me.  I'd love to see most of these
changes.  My one concern is that Big New Things may be implemented before
they're *completely* fixed.  Non-incremental changes can be so
destabilising to 3rd party development efforts, and other linked
projects such as documentation, they need to be treated very
carefully.  Having said that, I'm sure you're all very aware of this
problem anyway, so it's a bit redundant :) 

For example, as I understand it part of the NewReligion is to find a
solution to the ZOBD/filesystem dichotomy.  Would a move to
NewReligionCMF be predicated on Zope moving to things like this
*first*? 

seb

 


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 12:12:29 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:12:29 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF --> CMS (was  Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo (LONG!))
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010705154833.011800d0@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHOEJICCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Hi Gregoire,

> I'm feeling now like (sorry, phrase/saying in german with
> translation followed) "Ich sehe den Wald vor lauter Baeumen
> nicht mehr" (+/- translation: there are such a lot of trees
> I even can't see the forrest anymore, meaning: such a lot of
> details and ideas not yet arranged in my own brain
> systematically covering the big picture)

We have the same saying in English - "I can't see the forest for the
trees!" - and I know the feeling. I think that's why my post was so long and
rambling. I need a chainsaw... or a helicopter, to get an aerial view! :-)

> Hm, good idea! Here on the mailing list?

Dunno about anyone else, but I find mailinglists much easier to use than
web-discussion pages or wikis. If something pops into my inbox I pay
attention, if I have to remember to go and look at a webpage I'll often
forget! :-)

I think we're trying to define a set of standards for how different
CMS-tools interact with the CMF? Are we, perhaps, also trying to define a
default_CMS? In the same way there is a default_workflow which can be
replaced with other workflows?

> I'am not a fan of letting 'normal' users tweak their layout.
> Most of them never use it and the rest of them missuse it
> (akward colours, etc.) to show to others the could 'program'
> a new colour. :-( This kind of persons usualy destroy the
> consistence of a site.

Absolutely agree! Two points -

1. You would use permissions to restrict who can "tweak", so that only
trusted editors can do it, or to turn "tweakability" off completely (have I
just invented a new word? sounds kinda kinky! :-)

2. If you have a "Site Styleguide" (see the wysiwyg thread), you can define
an acceptable range of colours, fonts, etc.

> My a little philosophical approach for information portals is:
> Let people define their character by their content not by their layout.

Right, but if you have portals-within-portals, the editors of the
sub-portals will often want their bit to look slightly/completely different
from the "mothership".

< seb wrote >
> There's a reason
> for the client paying someone else to do their design / usability:
> it's not their area of expertise.  Fewer choices, chosen carefully,
> enforces a consistent look and feel and makes the clients'
> content-managing lives simpler and hopefully more intuitive.

In our market, not many people want/can afford professional designers.
RadioUserland and (I think) Blogger have the concept of a library of
readymade layouts/templates which you can pick from and then "tweak" to suit
your site.

<seb wrote>
> How does the skins philosophy fit into this?  As gregoire and ken have
> pointed out...
>
>> IMHO it is important to have different concepts of content storage and
>> content retrieving structures. If I've understood klm's proposal
>> (http://cmf.zope.org/rqmts/proposals/OrganizationObjects)
>> right it's that what he's saying also.
>
>...the folder containment metaphor / structure is very limited.  IMO,
> it's probably a good thing to get away from this paradigm, though
> aquisition / inheritance needs to be addressed in any other
> implementation, if possible.

Fair enough. I considered the possibility that content should perhaps live
in some kind of separate "content repository", but then my brain exploded,
and I decided to keep it simple for now! :-)

I do think though, that the folder/containment metaphor has a lot of value
for the content-retrieval/presentation structure (as opposed to the
content-storage structure).

For people constructing a site, it makes a lot of sense IMHO - most
webdesigners draw hierarchical tree diagrams when first conceiving a site,
most Zope users are familiar with the concept, everyone else is familiar
with family-trees and org charts! I'd like to see it remain as a metaphor
for the "front-end" - the screens that editors/designers use to construct
the site. :-)

> Content-object-style -

> See above at "[...] composite docs", I think we talk about the same! We
> have to bake a little more here!
>

OK, I'm only a novice chef, but here goes :-)

Seems to me that OrganisationObjects define relationships between
content-objects - their "context" in the great CMF scheme? They don't define
the different ways the info is presented within a page?

What I'm proposing is something like the "Presentation Components" in the
Component Model Shane posted -
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ApplyComponentModelToCMF - but
for internal use by the page-editors when constructing their pages, rather
than as views for the end-user.

Using your example - after the PR person has composed his composite
document, there are at least three different ways it could be viewed within
the site.

1. In the news_box - showing the title of the document, which acts as a link
to the full view, perhaps with the last_updated date underneath.

2. In the "What's New in PR" summaries list - showing the title, the
summary-text, the Creator, the date, and a "read more..." hyperlink to the
full view.

3. The full-view - showing the title, the full text, the
"links-to-related-stories", and all the other stuff that you find via the
OrganisationObjects.

I want to be able to define these different views (which don't include the
header/footer stuff that the current view methods do, as I want to slot them
into my page-layout), without touching any dtml, with only a basic knowledge
of html/CSS.

So, if I'm the Site-Editor for the organisation the PR person works for, it
might work something like this (I've described it in GUI terms, cos I'm too
lazy to work out how it could be done TTW at the moment!) -

I open up my CMS software, and the first screen I get is a hierarchical view
of my site (like an org chart, similar to what Frontpage uses?). I've
already created the hompage/root, and branches for Sales, Accounts,
Production, and Personnel. I click the "Add New Branch" button and type in
the basic details for the PR Department branch and click OK.

Now I double-click on the new "PR Department" branch. I see the page-layout
screen for my new branch. The layout/template has been inherited from the
layout of the Home Page (I could change this if I wanted). The header,
footer, lefthand-menu and righthand news_box have also been inherited from
the homepage (again, I could change these if I want), but the central "body"
of the page is blank.

I want the PR page to look the same as the others in my site, so I'm happy,
but I have decided that each Department will have a different
header-background colour, so that it's easier for visitors to work out where
they are.

I rightclick on the header section, and choose "Properties". I click the
dropdown box for "Background Colour" and select a different colour. Because
I had previously defined a list of allowed colours in my Site StyleGuide,
I'm only presented with that list of colours in the dropdown box. I click
OK, and there's my new page/section, ready for some content!

I rightclick on the blank central "body" section, and choose "Define
Content". There's a dropdown that allows me to select what I want to be
shown. I pick the "List latest 10 objects in reverse date-order" method. Now
I have to tell it what to list. I click "Selection Criteria", and I get a
dialog with dropdowns which help me define the underlying Catalog-query. I
select "type" as 'Documents', and "subject" as 'PR' (I could have refined it
with other criteria, but this is a simple one!)

But, after I click OK, the "body" section just shows a list of document-IDs!
The system knows what I want to display, but not how I want them displayed.
This is where I need to define my "Content-object-styles".

I could select each listed document ID, and give it a style. But I want them
all the same, so I select them all and click "Define Content-style" (must be
a better word for this!). My system came with a few readymade styles, and I
can add my own if I need to. A dropdown shows the available styles for the
document-type. I select "Summary" and press OK.

Voila! I now have my "What's new in PR" page, which will be automatically
updated whenever a new document is added!

But, I'm not totally happy with the look, and the "Creator" property isn't
in there, which I wanted. So, I click "Define Content-Style" again, and
click the "Customise" button. I get a dialog similar to the WYSIWYG editor,
with my first object displayed as an example. I can toggle between "Preview"
and "View Source" modes. When I click "View Source", I see something like
this -

-------------------------------------------------------------------
<h3><document_title></h3>

<p><document_summary></p>

<p><a href="<document_url>">read more...</a></p>

<p><small><document_date></small></p>
-------------------------------------------------------------------

I change the <h3> tags to <h2>, then I place the cursor just after
<document_date>, insert a space, then click the "Insert Property" button. I
get a list of properties that the document-type exposes. I click "Creator".
My source now looks like -

-------------------------------------------------------------------
<h2><document_title></h2>

<p><document_summary></p>

<p><a href="<document_url>">read more...</a></p>

<p><small><document_date> <document_creator></small></p>
-------------------------------------------------------------------

I click Preview just to check, then click OK. Without knowing a word of
DTML, and only the basics of HTML/CSS, I've now created exactly the page I
wanted! I make a mental note to send a large cheque to the CMS creators, and
head for the pub! :-)

Hope that makes things clearer/slightly more baked?

Cheers, Jon



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Fri Jul  6 12:51:27 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:51:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Adding content at cmf.zope.org
Message-ID: <01070613512702.01776@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I have tried to add a document item at cmf.zope.org
Just clicked on the 'My Stuff' link and clicked on the new button. But there 
are no items I can select to add.

Is this a bug or aren't members not allowed to add anything ?

Regards,

-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
(On the statement print "42 monkeys"+"1 snake")
BTW, both perl and Python get this wrong. Perl gives 43 and Python gives
"42 monkeys1 snake", when the answer is clearly "41 monkeys and 1 fat snake".

	- Jim Fulton, 10 Aug 1999


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri Jul  6 13:38:06 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 13:38:06 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Niggles
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0107051445580.5192-100000@shane.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B45B12E.1ACB60E2@nipltd.com>

Shane Hathaway wrote:
> 
> Well, it doesn't exist, but I imagine creating a normal (non-FS) Document
> would suffice for most purposes.  What do you think?

Nope :-S It would do as a workaround, but index_html is not a content object.
Therefore, it belongs in the a skin layer and would be much easier to manage if
ti was FS-based.

What should I do?

Chris


From jtk@adelphia.net  Fri Jul  6 13:52:15 2001
From: jtk@adelphia.net (Jeff Kowalczyk)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 08:52:15 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow - XML configuration
In-Reply-To: <E15ITXh-0000RW-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <000001c1061a$7c7037d0$0100a8c0@dev1>

I'd like to suggest that the (DC) workflow tools support expression of
their configuration state with a .toXML() string method. The corollary
would be to accept a configuration with a .fromXML() method.

With those two methods, I can see an XLST to SVG transform application
being possible that would allow TTW GUI workflow configuration. No more
writing out states and transitions ahead of time!

In fact, I think a first pass at the graphical workflow editor can be
hacked just from samples at the impressive http://www.kevlindev.com/
site. In particular, the
http://www.kevlindev.com/gui/dom_graph/index.htm and a few of the
events/shape creation samples on
http://www.kevlindev.com/tutorials/index.htm should provide most of what
is needed to reconfigure the XML document during 'editing'.

Yes, short term the only practical SVG support is the Adobe plug-in or
Batik, but Mozilla's optional SVG project should support 'enough' SVG to
handle this by the time the first implementations are finished.

We'd need the two XML methods and a versioned XML schema with each new
Workflow product to get started with proof-of-concept attempts. Looking
forward to it!




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri Jul  6 14:06:37 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:06:37 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF
References: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B45B7DD.4CC74AE7@nipltd.com>

Shane Hathaway wrote:
> 
> http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ApplyComponentModelToCMF

(positive hat)

Looks great on the whole :-)

> The metadata views are common to all standard CMF content, so presentation
> components will need a way to inherit from other presentation components.

Well, yes, but surely you should also be able to share presentation components
between different CMF Content types?
For example, Document, News Item and Reply might all have exactly the same
metadata, is there any reason why they couldn't use the same Metadata
presentation component?

Maybe presentation components could be acquired from some 'higher place' when
they need to be re-used like this?

> Going deeper, presentation components will need an inheritance hierarchy. One use case involves
> site managers who set up a new CMF site and want to customize the presentation of news items.
> The default presentation components will be filesystem directory views. The site manager will visit
> the news_item presentation component and click the customize button. This will create a new
> presentation component, usually in a different folder, that inherits from the default presentation
> component. Then the site manager will visit the new presentation component and click an
> override button to make a locally modifiable copy of a view.

This doesn't quite make sense to me. When I click 'customize' on a presentation
component, I want a new editable copy of the whole component to appear. I don't
want to have to do this and then customise to somewhere else first before I can
actually make changes to anything. 

Of course, from a maintenance poitn of view, you wouldn't actually want to copy
all the methods etc into 'customized' versions straight away 'cos then when the
FS-based version gets updated, they won't get the benefits, even if the end user
hasn't modified them at all.

So, how about: click customize of the FS-presentation object, this creates the
ZODB based version which doesn't actually contain anything, but appears to
contain editable versiosn of everything. The first time these editable versions
are saved, they are then actually stored in the ZODB?

Does that make sense? If not, I need to explain better :-)

> One
> way to deal with this is to perform reindexing in the presentation layer. Another is to make the
> catalog transparent, reindexing whenever objects are changed. This is not a vital issue for now.

Re-indexing in the presenation layer (as well as rebuilding the discussion tree
if necessary; see earlier list threads about my ideas for the discussion tool)
are things I'm having to do for Swishdot, this code is fine where it is, but if
it gets customized, it'll make life more difficult when it is transparently
done.

...of course, I think it's vital that transparent re-indexing (and other hooked
in operations, like discussions modification) happen. What service/tool/etc will
enable this to happen?

cheers,

Chris


From jtk@adelphia.net  Fri Jul  6 14:21:06 2001
From: jtk@adelphia.net (Jeff Kowalczyk)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:21:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow - Time Domain
In-Reply-To: <E15ITXh-0000RW-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <000001c1061e$83808cb0$0100a8c0@dev1>

It would be useful for the workflow to support the time and event domain
for state transitions.

Some use cases:
1) Content type has a workflow where one or more transitions are a
function of time.
(User) approved ->  published -> (2 weeks) -> archived

Not every workflow would need timer events, so it should be a component
that is explicitly enabled to pulse to a Zone-wide heartbeat at a
selectable resolution.

2) Content type has one or more state transitions that are triggered by
an CMFEvent content type's 'arrival'. That interface might be expressed
by custom content types. In general, this brings up the idea of linking
one items state to another's with weak references becoming raiseable
events(). Objects might want to watch specific transitions of other
objects, or other content types as a class.

P.S. Have the DC guys working on their next workflow revision had any
hands-on exposure to the Exchange 2000 Workflow designer? Visual Editor
aside, It's a good standard to answer the questions of what we need from
general workflow framework, one than can support applications other than
portals. Definitely worth a demo installation.

Exchange's folder events (now Web Storage System events) are very
useful. Items kick off general events defined by the folder on add,
change, delete, etc., to which the workflow can hook into. This is also
where they get their time-domain workflow events. Very acquisition-like.



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri Jul  6 14:25:39 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:25:39 +0100
Subject: Stable Framework (was Re: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF)
References: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com> <20010706124527.K1317@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B45BC53.6BC83349@nipltd.com>

(negative hat response ;-)

seb bacon wrote:

> Non-incremental changes can be so
> destabilising to 3rd party development efforts,

I'll say! I've got two major products I want to base on the CMF and by the
sounds of it, they'll both need to be completely re-written when this happens
:-(

Don't get me wrong, I really like the NR stuff and the stuff in Shane's
document, but it makes the CMF a hard choice to currently justify as a framework
to use, purely for stability reasons. Having come in this afternoon and read
that, I feel a bit like I've had the rug pulled out from under me :-S (but in as
good a way as possible, IYKWIM :-)

> For example, as I understand it part of the NewReligion is to find a
> solution to the ZOBD/filesystem dichotomy.  Would a move to
> NewReligionCMF be predicated on Zope moving to things like this
> *first*?

...and, what the overall timescales we should be expecting for these things?

Finally, will there be a 'pre-NR' branch of the CMF maintained so that if
products are implemented now, they won't _have_ to move until time can be found
to re-implement them?

How are DC managing this process WRT to installed (and customized) CMF sites
which customers are using?
Do you (DC) have any customized or alternate tool implementations? If so, how
hard to you see it being to migrate them?

cheers,

Chris


From shane@digicool.com  Fri Jul  6 15:14:29 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:14:29 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF
In-Reply-To: <20010706124527.K1317@lenin.jamkit.com>
References: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com> <20010706124527.K1317@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <01070610142900.09024@shane.digicool.com>

On Friday 06 July 2001 07:45, seb bacon wrote:
> For example, as I understand it part of the NewReligion is to find a
> solution to the ZOBD/filesystem dichotomy.  Would a move to
> NewReligionCMF be predicated on Zope moving to things like this
> *first*?

Fortunately, the ZODB/FS dichotomy is not part of the component model.  
The component model can help us solve it, though.

Shane


From dan@control.com  Fri Jul  6 15:17:00 2001
From: dan@control.com (Dan L. Pierson)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 10:17:00 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Make CMF root of site?
In-Reply-To: <OF26C7FA0A.AB5936F9-ON86256A81.000D19CF@loewen.com>
Message-ID: <73250000.994429020@daystar.control.com>

--On Thursday, July 05, 2001 09:26:03 PM -0500 "davelehman@loewen.com" 
<davelehman@loewen.com> wrote:

> When I add a new "CMF Site" in Zope, it always puts it in a folder. How
> can I make/move it to the root level, so that the default page my users
> go into is my CMF site?

We're running naked ZServer instead of Apache at the moment so I've got
a SiteRoot with all properties set to '' in each CMF folder and a site 
access
rule in the root that sets things up for the correct folder/SiteRoot based
on incoming host name.  It's a little more complicated to set up the first
time but very clear and easy to maintain once you get it going.



From shane@digicool.com  Fri Jul  6 15:18:53 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:18:53 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Niggles
In-Reply-To: <3B45B12E.1ACB60E2@nipltd.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0107051445580.5192-100000@shane.digicool.com> <3B45B12E.1ACB60E2@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <01070610185302.09024@shane.digicool.com>

On Friday 06 July 2001 08:38, Chris Withers wrote:
> Shane Hathaway wrote:
> > Well, it doesn't exist, but I imagine creating a normal (non-FS)
> > Document would suffice for most purposes.  What do you think?
>
> Nope :-S It would do as a workaround, but index_html is not a content
> object. Therefore, it belongs in the a skin layer and would be much
> easier to manage if ti was FS-based.
>
> What should I do?

You could subclass FSDTMLMethod and associate the extension ".dtmldoc" 
with FSDTMLDocuments.  Or you could reconsider the stance on the home 
page not being content... I think it might be.  Hard to say.

Shane


From shane@digicool.com  Fri Jul  6 15:34:44 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:34:44 -0400
Subject: Stable Framework (was Re: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF)
In-Reply-To: <3B45BC53.6BC83349@nipltd.com>
References: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com> <20010706124527.K1317@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B45BC53.6BC83349@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <01070610344403.09024@shane.digicool.com>

On Friday 06 July 2001 09:25, Chris Withers wrote:
> (negative hat response ;-)
>
> seb bacon wrote:
> > Non-incremental changes can be so
> > destabilising to 3rd party development efforts,
>
> I'll say! I've got two major products I want to base on the CMF and by
> the sounds of it, they'll both need to be completely re-written when
> this happens

I stated my hope (at the bottom) that migration won't be too difficult.  
I (we) take migration issues very seriously!  Considering that the 
zope-cmf list has exploded with activity, it would be a terrible mistake 
to break compatibility now.  By releasing version 1.0, we made an 
implicit (as well as explicit) promise to retain compatibility.

> ...and, what the overall timescales we should be expecting for these
> things?

That is yet to be determined.  This is not a project yet, nor even a 
proposal, just an informal RFC.

> Do you (DC) have any customized or alternate tool implementations? If
> so, how hard to you see it being to migrate them?

The tools will be a piece of cake to migrate IMHO; they just have to be 
called "services" instead of tools and have to be found a different way.  
The presentation layer will have more fundamental changes but I believe 
we can write a script that will migrate your customizations.

Shane


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri Jul  6 15:37:20 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 15:37:20 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Niggles
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0107051445580.5192-100000@shane.digicool.com> <3B45B12E.1ACB60E2@nipltd.com> <01070610185302.09024@shane.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B45CD20.572B0663@nipltd.com>

Shane Hathaway wrote:
> 
> You could subclass FSDTMLMethod and associate the extension ".dtmldoc"
> with FSDTMLDocuments. 

Hmmm, doesn't sounds too hard :-)

> Or you could reconsider the stance on the home
> page not being content... I think it might be.  Hard to say.

Well, it collects and displays content objects, which for me isn't content
itself but...

...whatabout just adding a PortalTitle property to the portal and using that in
standard_html_header instead?

Hmmm, that'd do it, but it means the Title that shows up in the Management
Interface tree will be the long one :-S
Any ideas on how to solve that? (much less serious problem...)

cheers,

Chris


From shane@digicool.com  Fri Jul  6 15:40:26 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:40:26 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF
In-Reply-To: <3B45B7DD.4CC74AE7@nipltd.com>
References: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com> <3B45B7DD.4CC74AE7@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <01070610402604.09024@shane.digicool.com>

On Friday 06 July 2001 09:06, Chris Withers wrote:
> Shane Hathaway wrote:
> > The metadata views are common to all standard CMF content, so
> > presentation components will need a way to inherit from other
> > presentation components.
>
> Well, yes, but surely you should also be able to share presentation
> components between different CMF Content types?
> For example, Document, News Item and Reply might all have exactly the
> same metadata, is there any reason why they couldn't use the same
> Metadata presentation component?

Um... you just said basically the same thing I did. :-)  I suppose I was 
too terse.

> So, how about: click customize of the FS-presentation object, this
> creates the ZODB based version which doesn't actually contain anything,
> but appears to contain editable versiosn of everything. The first time
> these editable versions are saved, they are then actually stored in the
> ZODB?

Hmm, that may be doable.  Nifty!

> ...of course, I think it's vital that transparent re-indexing (and
> other hooked in operations, like discussions modification) happen. What
> service/tool/etc will enable this to happen?

It's a piece of Zope infrastructure that isn't there yet.  In fact 
yesterday I spent a lot of time trying to find a nice way to achieve 
transparent indexing.  I even modified cPersistence.c to try out an idea. 
I'm sure there's a way to do it right but we haven't found it yet.

Shane


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri Jul  6 16:09:39 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 16:09:39 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Stable Framework
References: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com> <20010706124527.K1317@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B45BC53.6BC83349@nipltd.com> <01070610344403.09024@shane.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B45D4B3.DB0CB697@nipltd.com>

Excellent :-)

Just the sort of response I was hoping for...

thanks,

Chris

Shane Hathaway wrote:
> 
> On Friday 06 July 2001 09:25, Chris Withers wrote:
> > (negative hat response ;-)
> >
> > seb bacon wrote:
> > > Non-incremental changes can be so
> > > destabilising to 3rd party development efforts,
> >
> > I'll say! I've got two major products I want to base on the CMF and by
> > the sounds of it, they'll both need to be completely re-written when
> > this happens
> 
> I stated my hope (at the bottom) that migration won't be too difficult.
> I (we) take migration issues very seriously!  Considering that the
> zope-cmf list has exploded with activity, it would be a terrible mistake
> to break compatibility now.  By releasing version 1.0, we made an
> implicit (as well as explicit) promise to retain compatibility.
> 
> > ...and, what the overall timescales we should be expecting for these
> > things?
> 
> That is yet to be determined.  This is not a project yet, nor even a
> proposal, just an informal RFC.
> 
> > Do you (DC) have any customized or alternate tool implementations? If
> > so, how hard to you see it being to migrate them?
> 
> The tools will be a piece of cake to migrate IMHO; they just have to be
> called "services" instead of tools and have to be found a different way.
> The presentation layer will have more fundamental changes but I believe
> we can write a script that will migrate your customizations.
> 
> Shane


From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul  6 16:19:27 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:19:27 -0400
Subject: Stable Framework (was Re: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and
 CMF)
In-Reply-To: <3B45BC53.6BC83349@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <B76B4F3E.2FDF8%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> 
> I'll say! I've got two major products I want to base on the CMF and by the
> sounds of it, they'll both need to be completely re-written when this happens
> :-(

Yes, it's a little frustrating...  not to mention, things like skins, etc...

At least, with this proposal, we can all see the next 'plateau' and plan for
it (hopefully it'll stop moving around before it's implemented)...  but for
us who are putting sites together now, I hope that the current approach is
maintained (i.e. bug fixes) for a while in parallel...




From jholland@tomsw.com  Fri Jul  6 16:42:27 2001
From: jholland@tomsw.com (John Holland)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:42:27 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] docs
Message-ID: <20010706114227.A9431@tomsw.com>

I hate to send a message like this, but I'm getting nowhere with CMF. Is there
any documentation that describes at an end-user level how to add content from
one account so others can see it and other basic topics?

John Holland


From simon@joyful.com  Fri Jul  6 17:04:08 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 06 Jul 2001 09:04:08 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Make CMF root of site?
In-Reply-To: <73250000.994429020@daystar.control.com> ("Dan L. Pierson"'s message of "Fri, 06 Jul 2001 10:17:00 -0400")
References: <73250000.994429020@daystar.control.com>
Message-ID: <87u20qcadj.fsf@joyful.com>

"Dan L. Pierson" <dan@control.com> writes:
> We're running naked ZServer instead of Apache at the moment so I've
> got a SiteRoot with all properties set to '' in each CMF folder and
> a site access rule in the root that sets things up for the correct
> folder/SiteRoot based on incoming host name.  It's a little more
> complicated to set up the first time but very clear and easy to
> maintain once you get it going.

Hi Dan - I'd really like to see this, would you be willing to post
your rule ?

-Simon


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 17:12:18 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:12:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF Week in Review 5
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHCEJPCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

http://cmf.zope.org/news/weekly/20010706

Cheers, Jon



Oh, and just for Simon...     ;-)
--------------------------------------------------------

**The stats ma'am, just the stats...**

There were 181 messages, by 54 posters.

37% of messages were created by 7% of the posters.

Coincidentally, this is the same proportion of all posters whose surname
begins with a vowel. Don't you feel better for knowing that?

**On the Most Wanted list this week...**

ZopeNewbies "considers":http://www.zopenewbies.net/994068940/index_html
becoming a CMFNewbie. Come on in, the water's lovely!

Darin wants to use CMF to make a
"SourceForge":http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008027.html
clone. Which leads to Ken unleashing another of his "unsupported
beasts":http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008112.html, and
the tantalising prospect of a CMF-based Tracker!

Do DC's offices resemble the "Marie-Celeste" this week? No postcards from
Tres, but Shane is holding the fort and releases an early proposal to
"align":http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008157.html CMF
with the Zope "New Religion". And Andrew
"muses":http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008160.html on
the possibilities for Repeating Events in CMF Calendar.

Seb
"proposes":http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008121.html
that a standard should be developed for Content Management Systems to
interact with CMF. Many heads nod vigorously in approval, and Ulrich "ties
in":http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008138.html the
development of workflow tools. Jeff takes the workflow concept "one step
further":http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008182.html,
with the possibility of a GUI workflow tool.

Rene "asks":http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008040.html
for tips on CMF-ising Python products, and Marc
"obliges":http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008062.html

"Modular
Documentation":http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008129.htm
l anyone?

**Still at large from last week...**

"How to translate
CMF":http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008025.html

"CMF for
Intranets":http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008049.html



From dieter@handshake.de  Thu Jul  5 17:51:57 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:51:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Suggestion - Modular Documentation
In-Reply-To: <20010705103532.F25562@lenin.jamkit.com>
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIMCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
 <20010704163544.S19615@lenin.jamkit.com>
 <3B436100.D6739F78@nipltd.com>
 <20010705103532.F25562@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <15172.39725.804920.430431@lindm.dm>

seb bacon writes:
 > * Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010705 09:12]:
 > > StructedText, why? I gotta agree with Jon, why come up with another form of
 > > markup language when you have to translate it from there into another one
 > > anyway?!
 > 
 > Well, there's not much in it, but here's my reasoning:
 > 
 > 1) You can read stx straight from the filesystem as plain text , which
 >    is nice for developers
You can do that with HTML, too.

Okay, not the one produced by MS Word, but HTML can be very
readable.

 > 2) You don't have to translate it - it happens for you :-P
I am not always happy with the outcome.

At least with the old StructuredText (I do not yet know
StructuredText-NG), it was quite difficult to get something
like:

	def foo(a, b='text'):

right. The quoting rules have not been as clear as that of HTML.

More difficulties:

  *  relative URL's

  *  the inclusion of "<"

     I once made a comment to one of the Wiki's.
     I used lots of "<", because I thought it were text
     not HTML.
     I was horrified when I saw the result - an unreadable comment.

 > 3) There's supposedly the promise of being able to output it as ps,
 >    pdf, etc.
That's true for HTML, too, isn't it?

 > 4) We'd have to come up with a standard for which tags to use if we
 >    went with html, whereas stx enforces a decision for you.
Aren't the HTML tags not as straight forward as the StructuredText
indentation rules?


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Fri Jul  6 17:42:45 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:42:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF
In-Reply-To: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com>
References: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <15173.60038.1717.329667@lindm.dm>

Shane Hathaway writes:
 > Here at DC a few of us have been working on a component model for Zope. 
 > We have roughly defined what components should be like in Zope and have
 > written some documentation.
Would be interesting to see this documentation, too.

 > So I wrote up a document describing how I think CMF will change.  I am
 > seeking input from everyone involved in CMF.  Comments encouraged.
 > 
 > http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ApplyComponentModelToCMF
 > 
 > The new Zope component model is very similar to the current CMF model,
 > so the changes will be small compared with the move from PTK to CMF. 
 > The major change is in the use of a new concept called "presentation
 > components" instead of disjoint scripts and methods in the skins tool. 
 > Related scripts and methods will be grouped together to form a
 > presentation component.
Very good!


Dieter


From ueck@net-labs.de  Fri Jul  6 18:45:47 2001
From: ueck@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:45:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow - XML configuration
References: <000001c1061a$7c7037d0$0100a8c0@dev1>
Message-ID: <007101c10643$7d39f3d0$3300000a@work01>

Hi jeff

> I'd like to suggest that the (DC) workflow tools support expression of
> their configuration state with a .toXML() string method. The corollary
> would be to accept a configuration with a .fromXML() method.
> 

This would be the perfect place to implement some standartised 
XML-Format .. we have to look around .. what options there are.

I searched a lot in the mission to find the right XML-Format for
a Workflow-Process-Definition and found the following:

- Wf-XML Workflow Process Definition Interface
  -- XML Process Definition Language (22.05.2001)
  http://www.wfmc.org/standards/docs.htm
  pdf-spec: http://www.wfmc.org/standards/docs/xpdl_010522..pdf

- wftk (open-source workflow-toolkit) uses an selfmade 
  xml-format for   process-definition and process-communiction
  http://www.vivtek.com/wftk/

- I think Bizztalk has another xml-format 
   but i have no knowledge about that

- thought about doing it myself .. but this goes far beond what  
  I think I could get out of my head .. (and timetable)

The second point is, that one can edit and replicate many versions
of several worfklows better with an editor and cvs than by 
copy-paste objects within zope.

> With those two methods, I can see an XLST to SVG transform application
> being possible that would allow TTW GUI workflow configuration. No more
> writing out states and transitions ahead of time!
> 

When using a standard .. every workflow-designer of (probably) any other
vendor could be used (assumed it conforms to the standard)

Is there a python module for svg-read/write availiable ??

It would be interesting though to build some UserInterface with SVG .. 

> We'd need the two XML methods and a versioned XML schema with each new
> Workflow product to get started with proof-of-concept attempts. Looking
> forward to it!
> 

me too

Ulrich Eck



From aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu  Fri Jul  6 19:03:12 2001
From: aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu (albert boulanger)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:03:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow - XML configuration
In-Reply-To: <007101c10643$7d39f3d0$3300000a@work01> (ueck@net-labs.de)
Message-ID: <200107061803.OAA03939@ox.ldgo.columbia.edu>

The Magi (endtech.com) for P2P workflow have something they call 
process-xml. They also use SWAP, a predecessor to Wf-XML.

FYI,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@vpatch.com


From brian@mmmanager.org  Fri Jul  6 20:41:27 2001
From: brian@mmmanager.org (Brian Olsen)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:41:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Limiting allowed portal types
Message-ID: <012c01c10653$a5ccd000$0400000a@mmmanager.org>

Hi,

Is there any way to limit the what portal types a user can create in his =
own member folder???

Specificly I want Managers to be able to make Files but a normal member =
should never be allowed to make files.

Brian



From dan@control.com  Fri Jul  6 20:49:44 2001
From: dan@control.com (Dan L. Pierson)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 15:49:44 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Make CMF root of site?
In-Reply-To: <87u20qcadj.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <93430000.994448984@daystar.control.com>

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--On Friday, July 06, 2001 09:04:08 AM -0700 Simon Michael 
<simon@joyful.com> wrote:

> "Dan L. Pierson" <dan@control.com> writes:
>> We're running naked ZServer instead of Apache at the moment so I've
>> got a SiteRoot with all properties set to '' in each CMF folder and
>> a site access rule in the root that sets things up for the correct
>> folder/SiteRoot based on incoming host name.  It's a little more
>> complicated to set up the first time but very clear and easy to
>> maintain once you get it going.
>
> Hi Dan - I'd really like to see this, would you be willing to post
> your rule ?

Ask and you shall receive:




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## Script (Python) "access_rule"
##bind container=container
##bind context=context
##bind namespace=
##bind script=script
##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
##parameters=
##title=
##
#context.log_('access rule entered')
req = context.REQUEST
stack = req['TraversalRequestNameStack']

if stack and stack[-1] == 'Z':
    stack.pop()
    req.setVirtualRoot('Z')
else:
    if req.has_key('HTTP_HOST'):
        host = req['HTTP_HOST']
    else:
        host = 'quintus.control.com'

    vhost_folder = []
    if host in ['www.puffinscada.org', 'puffinscada.control.com']:
        vhost_folder = ['puffin_scada']
    elif host in ['www.puffinplc.org', 'puffinplc.org', 
                  'www.linuxplc.org', 'linuxplc.control.com', 
                  'puffinplc.control.com']:
        vhost_folder = ['puffin_plc']

    #context.log_('access rule goto %s' % `vhost_folder`)
    if vhost_folder:
        vhost_folder.reverse()
        stack.extend(vhost_folder)
        req.set('SiteRootPATH', '/')
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From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul  6 21:06:03 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 16:06:03 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Limiting allowed portal types
In-Reply-To: <012c01c10653$a5ccd000$0400000a@mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <B76B926B.2FE66%marc@bowery.com>

If you go to the portal_types/File/manage_access tab,
for "Access contents information" uncheck 'acquire' and check 'manager' and
(possibly) 'owner'.

You might find some bugs in some of the things like folder_contents.dtml
when you do this depending on which version of CMF... basically some missing
skip_unauthorized's

> From: "Brian Olsen" <brian@mmmanager.org>
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:41:27 +0200
> To: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] Limiting allowed portal types
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is there any way to limit the what portal types a user can create in his own
> member folder???
> 
> Specificly I want Managers to be able to make Files but a normal member should
> never be allowed to make files.
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests



From rcam@psouth.net  Sat Jul  7 03:10:38 2001
From: rcam@psouth.net (Bob Campbell)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:10:38 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Opps
References: <E15ITXh-0000RW-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <00ff01c1068a$0406e9e0$f9d8723f@psouth.net>

Sorry about posting with HTML turned on, didn't realize it was set that
way...drives me crazy when I have to scroll through a bunch of markup...

Bob



From jtk@adelphia.net  Sat Jul  7 04:12:24 2001
From: jtk@adelphia.net (Jeff Kowalczyk)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:12:24 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow - XML configuration
In-Reply-To: <E15IY2P-0002mN-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <000001c10692$a5bbe170$0100a8c0@dev1>

I've make a quick representation of the DCWorkflow's configuration
properties in an XML document. When time permits, something like this
will be the source document from which I'll try an XSLT transform to
make an SVG workflow diagram. I'm putting it out there early to foster
the discussion. This is more or less the config info our best workflow
tool stores today, maybe it will help us to spec out what else we need
workflow to do going forward.

http://cmf.zope.org/Members/JeffK/dcworkflow.xml/view
Which may still be waiting on "published" approval.
Gotta respect the Workflow, you know :)

Regarding the question of whether adherance to a standard XML schema is
necessary, I wouldn't want to slow down the Workflow tools developers,
or limit their flexibility this early in the game. A standard schema
*would* be great, but a clear XML serialization and deserialization
that's close to their particular object mapping is still be a good
start, and its all we really need to try out the concept of
Diagram-based configuration. We can XSLT into any number of schemas
after the fact.

If the XMLObject project was ready, we could even try this on existing
workflow tools without distracting them at all. It sounds like that will
someday provide XML (de)serialization.

Interim dcworkflow.xml download link:
http://jtk.cx/dcworkflow.xml (4.5kb)



From shane@digicool.com  Sat Jul  7 05:07:34 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 00:07:34 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow - XML configuration
References: <E15IY2P-0002mN-00@mail.python.org> <000001c10692$a5bbe170$0100a8c0@dev1>
Message-ID: <3B468B06.58184F7F@digicool.com>

Jeff Kowalczyk wrote:
> http://cmf.zope.org/Members/JeffK/dcworkflow.xml/view

Wow, thanks Jeff!  This is a very good first step.

> Regarding the question of whether adherance to a standard XML schema is
> necessary, I wouldn't want to slow down the Workflow tools developers,
> or limit their flexibility this early in the game. A standard schema
> *would* be great, but a clear XML serialization and deserialization
> that's close to their particular object mapping is still be a good
> start, and its all we really need to try out the concept of
> Diagram-based configuration. We can XSLT into any number of schemas
> after the fact.

That's an important point IMHO.  To a large extent, applications are
defined by their data schema.  Therefore when you limit the data schema,
you also limit the application.  Standardization is good, but only when
maturity has been achieved.

In fact the XML file you published revealed a couple of flaws in
DCWorkflow.  For example, the user action details probably ought to be
in a separate object.

> If the XMLObject project was ready, we could even try this on existing
> workflow tools without distracting them at all. It sounds like that will
> someday provide XML (de)serialization.

I've written several XML (de)serialization routines (for other
projects), and they all turned out to be a lot more work than I
expected.  There must be a pattern out there that's easy to apply and
extend.  Look, for example, at the implementation of PPML, the "Python
Pickle Markup Language", in lib/python/Shared/DC/xml.  The
implementation is much more complex than I would expect.

Here's an off-topic thought: writing Python object <-> XML routines in
Python is more complex than expected, and writing Python object <-> XML
routines in XML (i.e. XSLT) is also complex, but maybe the "sweet spot"
is in writing a short XML file that combines with a short Python file? 
Somehow you'd put everything XMLish in the XML file and everything
Pythonic in the module.  Hmm... :-)

Shane


From jtk@adelphia.net  Sat Jul  7 07:24:47 2001
From: jtk@adelphia.net (Jeff Kowalczyk)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 02:24:47 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow - XML configuration
In-Reply-To: <3B468B06.58184F7F@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <000001c106ad$857c28a0$0100a8c0@dev1>

[Shane] I've written several XML (de)serialization routines (for other
projects), and they all turned out to be a lot more work than I
expected.  There must be a pattern out there that's easy to apply and
extend.

[jtk] This type of thing needs to happen at the framework level to be
useful. XML (de)serialization is important because it always gives you a
point of disembarkment from your framework if it can't do, or takes
undue effort to do, a particular kind of data manipulation. In our case,
the highly-configured workflow tool could benefit from an alternative to
property pages, for reasons including, but not limited, to
visualization.

There's two general-case implementations that come to mind. Of course,
neither of them are for Python, but could inspire an implementation
strategy for Zope.

Java: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~bren/JSX/

.NET:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/cpguidn
f/html/cpconserialization.asp 
(if one can browse msdn without IE, I'll be shocked)

As if compliments to MS would fly in *this* group, but the .NET class
libraries are impressive. Never mind about the C#/VB languages, it's the
Libraries that do the work. Look at what they can do with XML
serialization:
http://www.gotdotnet.com/quickstart/howto/doc/xmlserialization/RWObjFrom
XML.aspx

Turn something like *that* loose with ZPT, and look out!

I'm watching the Zope-NewReligon effort with interest, because to
preserve Python's productivity edge, we'd be better off imitating .NET
rather than IUnknown-era COM. They don't really query interfaces
anymore, they cast to interfaces and data types safely. This class
framework is going to give Zope some serious competition if they ever
get a ODBMS or XMLDBMS to manage what their classes can already do with
persistency.



From Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de  Sat Jul  7 10:22:59 2001
From: Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de (Christoph Schirmer)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 11:22:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Skinned Folders
References: <000001c106ad$857c28a0$0100a8c0@dev1>
Message-ID: <3B46D4F3.5776BD59@snafu.de>

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As I didn´t find any documentation on the cmf site, could someone please explain
Skinned Folders, in comparison to Folders or Portal Folders? When should one use
Skinned Folders?

Thank you,
Christoph

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From aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu  Sat Jul  7 16:31:36 2001
From: aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu (albert boulanger)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:31:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow - XML configuration
In-Reply-To: <000001c10692$a5bbe170$0100a8c0@dev1> (jtk@adelphia.net)
Message-ID: <200107071531.LAA04893@ox.ldgo.columbia.edu>

   I've make a quick representation of the DCWorkflow's configuration
   properties in an XML document. When time permits, something like this
   will be the source document from which I'll try an XSLT transform to
   make an SVG workflow diagram. I'm putting it out there early to foster
   the discussion. This is more or less the config info our best workflow
   tool stores today, maybe it will help us to spec out what else we need
   workflow to do going forward.


I have thought of this path, but my hangup has been dyanmically
updating the SVG display from the server if workflow state changes w/o
causing the whole page to refresh. THis is a trick I know which
involves reading from the DOM tree in an invisible frame to do this,
but it seems a bit of a hack and when one wants to author visual
workflow, well, one begins thinking of applets to do so, See for
example this java based workflow display and authoring system:

http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/endeavors/endeavors.html

Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@vpatch.com



From simon@joyful.com  Sat Jul  7 21:58:43 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 07 Jul 2001 13:58:43 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-CMF]Make CMF root of site?
In-Reply-To: <93430000.994448984@daystar.control.com> ("Dan L. Pierson"'s message of "Fri, 06 Jul 2001 15:49:44 -0400")
References: <93430000.994448984@daystar.control.com>
Message-ID: <877kxkbgn0.fsf@joyful.com>

Thanks! 


From J&U Becker" <jurgen.becker@pandora.be  Sat Jul  7 23:15:15 2001
From: J&U Becker" <jurgen.becker@pandora.be (J&U Becker)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:15:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Installation CMF 1.1 on Windows 98 OS Failed
Message-ID: <000e01c10732$4cfa0ee0$cb9776d5@pandora.be>

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Dear ZOPE Developers,
I tried to install the CMF 1.1 into Zope Version 2.3.2 following the =
installation instructions given but failed.=20
- I tried to copy the folder 'CMF-1.1' into the folder =
ZopeRoot\lib\python\Products
- I tried to copy the folder 'CMF-1.1' into the folder ZopeRoot\Products =
which I created=20
Each time I restarted the Zope server, but the CMF did not show up in =
the products list under the Control Panel. Even the upgrade to Zope =
Version 2.3.3 did not help.

Is this product for UNIX OS only or do I have to follow a different =
installation procedure?

Regards
Juergen

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CMF=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#008000>Each time I restarted =
the Zope=20
server, but the CMF did not show up in the products list under the =
Control=20
Panel. Even the upgrade to Zope Version 2.3.3 did not help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#008000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#008000>Is this product for =
UNIX OS only=20
or do I have to follow a different installation procedure?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#008000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#008000>Regards</FONT></DIV>
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From erik@thingamy.net  Sat Jul  7 23:22:27 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 08 Jul 2001 00:22:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Installation CMF 1.1 on Windows 98 OS Failed
In-Reply-To: <000e01c10732$4cfa0ee0$cb9776d5@pandora.be>
References: <000e01c10732$4cfa0ee0$cb9776d5@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <87ith4qt0c.fsf@thingamy.net>

[J. &U. Becker]

| I tried to copy the folder 'CMF-1.1' into the folder
| ZopeRoot\lib\python\Products - I tried to copy the folder 'CMF-1.1'
| into the folder ZopeRoot\Products which I created

Forgive me if I'm only confusing you more.  I'm a CMF-newbie.

You need to copy all the folders in the CMF-1.1/ directory that starts
with CMF to your Products/ directory.  Under Unix that would look
something like this:
        
        cp -R CMF-1.1/CMF* ZopeRoot/lib/python/Products

I'm not sure what you would do under Windows, but you should get an[
idea from this.  I hope ;).


From Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com  Sun Jul  8 00:20:59 2001
From: Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:20:59 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Installation CMF 1.1 on Windows 98 OS Failed
References: <000e01c10732$4cfa0ee0$cb9776d5@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <01f701c1073b$7c26d870$9865fea9@SUXLAP>

Try to put all CMF folders (CMFCore, CMFDefault etc.) under
ZopeRoot\lib\python\Products. This should work.

Andreas

>----- Original Message -----
>From: J&U Becker
>To: zope-cmf@zope.org
>Sent: Samstag, 7. Juli 2001 17:15
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Installation CMF 1.1 on Windows 98 OS Failed


>Dear ZOPE Developers,
>I tried to install the CMF 1.1 into Zope Version 2.3.2 following the
installation instructions given but failed.
>- I tried to copy the folder 'CMF-1.1' into the folder
ZopeRoot\lib\python\Products
>- I tried to copy the folder 'CMF-1.1' into the folder ZopeRoot\Products
which I created
>Each time I restarted the Zope server, but the CMF did not show up in the
products list under the Control Panel. Even >the upgrade to Zope Version
2.3.3 did not help.

>Is this product for UNIX OS only or do I have to follow a different
installation procedure?

>Regards
>Juergen



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Sat Jul  7 23:40:03 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 00:40:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Installation CMF 1.1 on Windows 98 OS Failed
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010708004003.00dd0c70@mmmanager.org>

At 00:15 08-07-2001 +0200, you wrote:
>   Dear ZOPE Developers,  into Zope Version 2.3.2 following the
>installation instructions given  but failed.  - I tried to copy the folder 
>'CMF-1.1' into the folder ZopeRoot\lib\python\Products    Each time I
>restarted the Zope  server, but the CMF did not show up in the products
>list under the Control  Panel. Even the upgrade to Zope Version 2.3.3 did
>not help.   Is this product for UNIX OS only  or do I have to follow a
>different installation procedure?   Regards Juergen

Hello,

First - please do not post HTML urls.

Back to your problem:
If you look into the CMF-1.1 directory you will see 3 other directory's (or
is it 4 in 1.1?)
Anyway - you must copy all these directories into
ZopeRoot/lib/python/Products - not just the CMF-1.1 directory.

Don't know if what I just wrote makes any sense but after copying the
directories, the structure should be like this:
ZopeRoot/lib/python/Products/CMFCore
ZopeRoot/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault
ZopeRoot/lib/python/Products/CMF<Can't remember what it is called>

Hope this helps you (sorry I'm very tired - perhaps sleeping will help *S*)

Regards,
Gitte Wange


From norman@khine.net  Sun Jul  8 00:58:57 2001
From: norman@khine.net (Norman Khine)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:58:57 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Topics advice
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEDCCFAA.norman@khine.net>

Hello,
Perhaps this is not the appropriate list to post this, but I'll have a go
;^), may be is to do with HTML formatting?!?!

I have created several Topic queries and some of them have sub-topics, what
I am trying to do is list those in a drop-down menu/s, so that:

1st drop down menu contains the Topic
2nd drop-down menu contains the sub-topic
3rd drop-down contains the results

This is my problem now, how do I go about in loading the Topic, in this case
<dtml-var title>, for all my queries?

I was thinking perhaps, I could load those in a TinyTable, and call them
from that. But then if I wanted to add further topic items, will it be
possible for those to be added to the list -- automatically?

Here is what I have so far:

A Tiny Table called Main Topics

Columns topic_title url_link relurl:int

Data

"Topic1", "/Portal/Members/member/topic1", 1
"Topic2", "/Portal/Members/member/topic1", 1
"Topic3", "/Portal/Members/member/topic1", 1

Now my problem is how to call these into a <SELECT> </SELECT> tags form the
topic_view, and how to insert each new topic entry into the tiny table list?

Thanks

Norman




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From ivaldes@hal-pc.org  Sun Jul  8 02:32:25 2001
From: ivaldes@hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 20:32:25 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Discussion update script error.
Message-ID: <3B47B829.4020909@hal-pc.org>

Hi Shane, I tried to use your upgrade.py script on my CMF 1.0 
installation, but I get a traceback (see below).  My site was created 
with CMF 1.0 do I even need to use your script?

-- 
-- Ignacio Valdes, Editor: Linux Medical News
http://www.linuxmednews.com
'Revolutionizing Medical Education and Practice'


   Site Error

An error was encountered while publishing this resource.

**ImportError **

Sorry, a site error occurred.Traceback (innermost last): File 
/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in 
publish_module File /home/zope/zope5/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, 
line 187, in publish File / /home/zope/zope5/lib/python/Zope// 
__init__.py, line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook File 
/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish 
File /home/zope/zope5/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in 
mapply (Object: manage_addExternalMethod) File 
/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in 
call_object (Object: manage_addExternalMethod) File 
/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod.py, 
line 131, in manage_addExternalMethod File 
/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod.py, 
line 179, in __init__ (Object: upgrade.py) File 
/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod.py, 
line 202, in manage_edit (Object: upgrade.py) File 
/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod.py, 
line 209, in getFunction (Object: upgrade.py) File 
/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/App/Extensions.py, line 217, in getObject 
(Info: ('/home/zope/zope5/Extensions/upgrade.py', 'upgrade')) File 
/home/zope/zope5/Extensions/upgrade.py, line 5, in ? ImportError: No 
module named PTKDemo.DemoDiscussionTool








From shane@digicool.com  Sun Jul  8 06:07:38 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 01:07:38 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Discussion update script error.
References: <3B47B829.4020909@hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <3B47EA9A.DED720B9@digicool.com>

Ignacio Valdes wrote:
> Hi Shane, I tried to use your upgrade.py script on my CMF 1.0
> installation, but I get a traceback (see below).  My site was created
> with CMF 1.0 do I even need to use your script?

I don't recall writing anything called upgrade.py... if you're moving
from CMF 1.0 to 1.1 you don't need a script anyway if I remember
correctly.  You just need to add a portal_metadata tool.

Shane


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Sun Jul  8 10:04:01 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 11:04:01 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Discussion update script error.
In-Reply-To: <3B47B829.4020909@hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010708110401.00d76fb0@mmmanager.org>

At 20:32 07-07-2001 -0500, Ignacio Valdes wrote:
>Hi Shane, I tried to use your upgrade.py script on my CMF 1.0 
>installation, but I get a traceback (see below).  My site was created 
>with CMF 1.0 do I even need to use your script?
>
>-- 
>-- Ignacio Valdes, Editor: Linux Medical News
>http://www.linuxmednews.com
>'Revolutionizing Medical Education and Practice'
>
>
>   Site Error
>
>An error was encountered while publishing this resource.
>
>**ImportError **
>
>Sorry, a site error occurred.Traceback (innermost last): File 
>/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in 
>publish_module File /home/zope/zope5/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, 
>line 187, in publish File / /home/zope/zope5/lib/python/Zope// 
>__init__.py, line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook File 
>/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish 
>File /home/zope/zope5/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in 
>mapply (Object: manage_addExternalMethod) File 
>/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in 
>call_object (Object: manage_addExternalMethod) File 
>/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod.py, 
>line 131, in manage_addExternalMethod File 
>/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod.py, 
>line 179, in __init__ (Object: upgrade.py) File 
>/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod.py, 
>line 202, in manage_edit (Object: upgrade.py) File 
>/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod.py, 
>line 209, in getFunction (Object: upgrade.py) File 
>/home/zope/zope5/lib/python/App/Extensions.py, line 217, in getObject 
>(Info: ('/home/zope/zope5/Extensions/upgrade.py', 'upgrade')) File 
>/home/zope/zope5/Extensions/upgrade.py, line 5, in ? ImportError: No 
>module named PTKDemo.DemoDiscussionTool

Hello,

I'm not sure what it is that you want to do, but I think you're about to
upgrade your CMF installation from 1.0 to 1.1. Am I right ?

If that is the case then have a look at
http://cmf.zope.org/download/CMF-1.1/INSTALL.txt
That document describes the installation of CMF 1.1 and also has a very
good detailed guide on how to upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1.

Anyway - AFAIK there isn't any upgrade.py scripts. Or maybe I have missed it.

Regards,
Gitte Wange


From ivaldes@hal-pc.org  Sun Jul  8 17:09:46 2001
From: ivaldes@hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 11:09:46 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Discussion update script error.
References: <3.0.6.32.20010708110401.00d76fb0@mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <3B4885CA.3030107@hal-pc.org>

At 20:32 07-07-2001 -0500, Ignacio Valdes wrote:

>Hi Shane, I tried to use your upgrade.py script on my CMF 1.0 
>installation, but I get a traceback (see below).  My site was created 
>with CMF 1.0 do I even need to use your script?


Gitte Wange wrote:

>
>Hello,
>
>I'm not sure what it is that you want to do, but I think you're about to
>upgrade your CMF installation from 1.0 to 1.1. Am I right ?
>
>If that is the case then have a look at
>http://cmf.zope.org/download/CMF-1.1/INSTALL.txt
>That document describes the installation of CMF 1.1 and also has a very
>good detailed guide on how to upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1.
>
>Anyway - AFAIK there isn't any upgrade.py scripts. Or maybe I have missed it.
>
>Regards,
>Gitte Wange
>
>
Sorry for the opacity, I'm referring to:

http://cmf.zope.org/Members/jens/howto/discussion_upgrade/view

-- 
-- Ignacio Valdes, Editor: Linux Medical News
http://www.linuxmednews.com
'Revolutionizing Medical Education and Practice'





From jens@digicool.com  Sun Jul  8 17:38:49 2001
From: jens@digicool.com (Jens Vagelpohl)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:38:49 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Discussion update script error.
In-Reply-To: <3B4885CA.3030107@hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <20010708163853.3D8D013968@kermit.dataflake.org>

the document you mention states:

"""
What will change for the average Portal manager?
Most importantly, if you have an existing portal and you upgrade to the 
latest CVS checkout (or to CMF 1.0 or one of its betas) your existing 
discussion componentry will break unless you run the upgrade script. If 
you instantiate a brand new portal from the new code you will not need to 
follow the steps below.
"""

meaning if you base your portal on a fresh CMF 1.0 or later this script is 
*not* needed.

from what you write it looks like you built the site on 1.0.

jens


On Sunday, July 8, 2001, at 12:09 , Ignacio Valdes wrote:

> At 20:32 07-07-2001 -0500, Ignacio Valdes wrote:
>
>> Hi Shane, I tried to use your upgrade.py script on my CMF 1.0 
>> installation, but I get a traceback (see below).  My site was created 
>> with CMF 1.0 do I even need to use your script?
>
>
> Gitte Wange wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm not sure what it is that you want to do, but I think you're about to
>> upgrade your CMF installation from 1.0 to 1.1. Am I right ?
>>
>> If that is the case then have a look at
>> http://cmf.zope.org/download/CMF-1.1/INSTALL.txt
>> That document describes the installation of CMF 1.1 and also has a very
>> good detailed guide on how to upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1.
>>
>> Anyway - AFAIK there isn't any upgrade.py scripts. Or maybe I have 
>> missed it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gitte Wange
>>
>>
> Sorry for the opacity, I'm referring to:
>
> http://cmf.zope.org/Members/jens/howto/discussion_upgrade/view
>
> -- -- Ignacio Valdes, Editor: Linux Medical News
> http://www.linuxmednews.com
> 'Revolutionizing Medical Education and Practice'
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature 
> requests


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun Jul  8 18:06:38 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:06:38 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Permissions to add different content types
Message-ID: <003301c107d0$5c1693a0$2341073e@withers>

Hi,

I hope I'm being dense. I want to make Articles and Replies (both based on
the Document type) anonymously addable, while the rest of the content types
only addable by members.

How can I do this? From what I've seen, everything is protected by the same
permission: Add Portal Content so I've got a bit stuck...

Help?!

Chris :-)



From seb@jamkit.com  Sun Jul  8 19:10:42 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:10:42 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Permissions to add different content types
In-Reply-To: <003301c107d0$5c1693a0$2341073e@withers>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 06:06:38PM +0100
References: <003301c107d0$5c1693a0$2341073e@withers>
Message-ID: <20010708191041.A3054@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010708 18:09]:
> I hope I'm being dense. I want to make Articles and Replies (both based on
> the Document type) anonymously addable, while the rest of the content types
> only addable by members.
> 
> How can I do this? From what I've seen, everything is protected by the same
> permission: Add Portal Content so I've got a bit stuck...

AFAIK, you're right.  In Portal.py, you can find where all the Types
are added as products in a single batch (hence the way they all come
up in the products list as a single Product, CMFDefault Content).  

>From CMFDefault.__init__.py:

    utils.ContentInit( 'CMFDefault Content'
                     , content_types=contentClasses
                     , permission=ADD_CONTENT_PERMISSION
                     , extra_constructors=contentConstructors
                     , fti=CMFDefault.factory_type_information
                     ).initialize( context )

So I add other products separately, something like this:

    utils.ContentInit( 'Anon Content',
                       content_types = (anonContentClasses,),
                       permission = 'Add Anon Types',
                       extra_constructors = anonContentConstructors,
                       fti = CMFDefault.anon_factory_type_information,
                       ).initialize(context)

Which is pretty darn messy, but it gets the job done...

seb



From marc@bowery.com  Sun Jul  8 18:53:43 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:53:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Permissions to add different content types
In-Reply-To: <20010708191041.A3054@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <B76E1666.2FFA2%marc@bowery.com>

Perhaps you could do it by having one folder for the articles and replies,
and change the permission for just that folder?



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun Jul  8 21:04:03 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:04:03 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Permissions to add different content types
References: <B76E1666.2FFA2%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <004701c107e9$24e33910$2341073e@withers>

> Perhaps you could do it by having one folder for the articles and replies,
> and change the permission for just that folder?

How would I make it so that only articles and replies could be added to one
folder while being able to add all types of content to another?

cheers,

Chris



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun Jul  8 21:10:19 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:10:19 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] N-Dimensional security again (Hi Shane :-)
References: <003301c107d0$5c1693a0$2341073e@withers> <20010708191041.A3054@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <005101c107ea$04af3ee0$2341073e@withers>

> AFAIK, you're right.  In Portal.py, you can find where all the Types
> are added as products in a single batch (hence the way they all come
> up in the products list as a single Product, CMFDefault Content).
>
> >From CMFDefault.__init__.py:
>
>     utils.ContentInit( 'CMFDefault Content'
>                      , content_types=contentClasses
>                      , permission=ADD_CONTENT_PERMISSION
>                      , extra_constructors=contentConstructors
>                      , fti=CMFDefault.factory_type_information
>                      ).initialize( context )

Waaagh! :-S Now, what you could do as a workaround for the moment is change
that method to the actual call to initializeClass (name?) is done with:

 permission = 'Add %s' % contentClass.meta_type

> Which is pretty darn messy, but it gets the job done...

Indeed, either way, you end up with one hell of a bloated security tab if
you get lots of content types.

Now, from what I know so far, the DCWorkflow tool solves the N-dimensional
security problem once an object has been created, however, it doesn't solve
the problem that you need one permission per content type if you want fine
grained control over the ability to add content.

So, Shane, you solved the last problem with a truly amazing tool, could it
be extended to solve this bit of the problem too?

here's hoping...

Chris



From robert@redcor.ch  Sun Jul  8 23:38:15 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 00:38:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how can I add actions
Message-ID: <004001c107fe$ad6e2910$a9a4023e@karin>

Hi there,
there is that nice portal_types tool with which it is easy to add new
actions to a document type.

Now how can I add actions to CMF.
I would like to have extra actions when the user is in her desktop folder.

Thanks for your tips

Robert




From marc@bowery.com  Sun Jul  8 23:57:10 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 18:57:10 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Permissions to add different content types
In-Reply-To: <004701c107e9$24e33910$2341073e@withers>
Message-ID: <B76E5D86.2FFDB%marc@bowery.com>

Ah yes, good point.
Actually, I had a similar problem... I wanted some document types that only
Managers could add.  WHat I did was make a new portal_type, ManagerDocument,
so I could give it it's own security.

So, perhaps you could make an AnonArticle?  And in the type's security
enable the anon priveledges.  For the replies, I'm not sure, because it's
not really another type...  hmm....

> From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:04:03 +0100
> To: "marc lindahl" <marc@bowery.com>, "seb bacon" <seb@jamkit.com>
> Cc: "zope-cmf" <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Permissions to add different content types
> 
>> Perhaps you could do it by having one folder for the articles and replies,
>> and change the permission for just that folder?
> 
> How would I make it so that only articles and replies could be added to one
> folder while being able to add all types of content to another?
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sat Jul  7 01:43:41 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 01:43:41 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] FSObject question
Message-ID: <3B465B3D.C133C31C@nipltd.com>

Hi,

Is there any reason why this lump:

    if DevelopmentMode:
        # Provide an opportunity to update the properties.
        def __of__(self, parent):
            self = Acquisition.ImplicitAcquisitionWrapper(self, parent)
            self._updateFromFS()
            return self

...which appears at the bottom of a lot of the FS classes can't be refactored
out into FSObject itself?

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sat Jul  7 01:49:22 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 01:49:22 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] FSPropertiesObject
Message-ID: <3B465C92.8FA80189@nipltd.com>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------042841E0318C4CD0F1DA28BE
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi,

The attached patch to FSPropertiesobject.py does two things:

1. It tells you which line the file reading method barfed on, if it barfs.

2. It allows you to put blank lines in the .props file so you can split up
groups of properties.

If anyoen finds this useful, stick this in the Tracker 'cos you'll get around to
it before I do ;-)

cheers,

Chris
--------------042841E0318C4CD0F1DA28BE
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii;
 name="FSPropertiesObject.py.patch"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline;
 filename="FSPropertiesObject.py.patch"

--- FSPropertiesObject.py.original	Thu May 17 14:57:52 2001
+++ FSPropertiesObject.py	Thu Jul 05 08:19:12 2001
@@ -165,23 +165,30 @@
         try: lines = file.readlines()
         finally: file.close()
         map = []
+        lino=0
         for line in lines:
-            propname, proptv = split( line, ':' )
-            #XXX multi-line properties?
-            proptype, propvstr = split( proptv, '=' )
-            propname = strip(propname)
-            proptv = strip(proptv)
-            propvstr = strip(propvstr)
-            converter = get_converter( proptype, lambda x: x )
-            propvalue = converter( strip( propvstr ) )
-            # Should be safe since we're loading from
-            # the filesystem.
-            setattr(self, propname, propvalue)
-            map.append({'id':propname,
-                        'type':proptype,
-                        'mode':'',
-                        'default_value':propvalue,
-                        })
+            lino = lino + 1
+            if not strip(line):
+                continue
+            try:
+                propname, proptv = split( line, ':' )
+                #XXX multi-line properties?
+                proptype, propvstr = split( proptv, '=' )
+                propname = strip(propname)
+                proptv = strip(proptv)
+                propvstr = strip(propvstr)
+                converter = get_converter( proptype, lambda x: x )
+                propvalue = converter( strip( propvstr ) )
+                # Should be safe since we're loading from
+                # the filesystem.
+                setattr(self, propname, propvalue)
+                map.append({'id':propname,
+                            'type':proptype,
+                            'mode':'',
+                            'default_value':propvalue,
+                            })
+            except:
+                raise ValueError,'Error processing line %s of %s:\n%s' % (lino,fp,line)
         self._properties = tuple(map)            
 
     if Globals.DevelopmentMode:

--------------042841E0318C4CD0F1DA28BE--





From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sat Jul  7 11:40:30 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 11:40:30 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Weirdness with standard_error_message in a Skin
Message-ID: <3B46E71E.302C7AD8@nipltd.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to include a standard_error_message.dtml method in a FS-based CMF
skin.

The wierdness comes in that if I modify the FS based version, the changes will
_only_ get used if I customize the method or restart Zope.

Does anyone have any idea what's going on here?

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun Jul  8 14:47:11 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 14:47:11 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Bug w/patch in register method
Message-ID: <3B48645F.CA92C1FB@nipltd.com>

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Hi,

The attached fix cleans up some urls and fixes some url quoting problems in the
process in the register method of CMFDefault.

Also, should the registered method really contain a url which has both the
username and password of a newly generated member in it? Seems like a bit of a
security hole to me :-S

cheers,

Chris
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--- register.py.original	Fri Jun 29 15:48:40 2001
+++ register.py	Sun Jul 08 13:01:35 2001
@@ -9,10 +9,10 @@
 if not portal_properties.validate_email:
   failMessage = portal_registration.testPasswordValidity(password, confirm)
   if failMessage:
-      return REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(context.absolute_url() +'/join_form?error=%s' % (failMessage))
+      return context.join_form(context,REQUEST,error=failMessage)
 failMessage = portal_registration.testPropertiesValidity(REQUEST)
 if failMessage:
-    return REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(context.absolute_url() +'/join_form?error=%s' % (failMessage))
+    return context.join_form(context,REQUEST,error=failMessage)
 else:
     password=REQUEST.get('password') or portal_registration.generatePassword()
     portal_registration.addMember(REQUEST['username'], password, properties=REQUEST)

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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun Jul  8 22:35:02 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 22:35:02 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Creating Content and ZODB bloat
Message-ID: <3B48D206.359395DE@nipltd.com>

Hi,

Just realised that the CMF has a slight problem in content creation: What
happens when someone wants to create a piece of content? Well, go to
folder_factories, select the type, enter an id and click okay.

Now they decide they didn't mean to do that. So they can delete it, but the ZODB
will have grown a bit. 

Do people think this is a common occurence? Squishdot had its previewPosting
which allowed people to go through the write-preview-edit cycle without ever
commiting to ZODB, I know I use it a lot ;-) In fact, it got requsted enough
that I added the preview feature for managers and moderators to use when editing
postings as well...

So, how do we allow the same thing in the CMF without ZODB bloat? In other
projects, I've found it usesful to store these
objects-which-might-never-need-to-be-stored in a session, that way you get no
ZODB bloat but you are dealing with real object rather than fake, code
duplicating preview forms, like previewPosting in Squishdot. Does that sounds
like a plan?

If it sounds good, it core raise the question of when CoreSessionTracking is
actually going to become a part of the Zope core :-S

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon Jul  9 08:46:58 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 08:46:58 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Type left in inconsistent state during add process
Message-ID: <3B496172.136EF94D@nipltd.com>

Hi,

This one had me baffled for ages. I still don't know what's going on but I think
I've found out what's happening.

The process of content creation goes:

1. Enter id and select type from folder_factories

2. Enter meta data, click button

3. enter content, click button

Now, what I've noticed is that if you stop after step 1, the content is
catalogued with a Type of the base product's meta_type, regardless of what meta
types have been set up in the types tool (are these meta types actually supposed
to do anything?) or, indeed, the name of the relevant TypeInformation object.

After step two, the object will be catalogued with Type equal to the name of the
TypeInformation object, which is what I'd expect (although I still don't
understand where the Meta type set in the TypeInformation object comes into play
:-S

So, there's definitely at least one bug in here, and I'd love to squash is
before I go to Berlin but I'm rapidly running out of time :-S
For now, I'm hoping I can workaround this by calling the edit or metadata edit
methods again, which is a tad inefficient.

If anyone knows how to fix this, please let me know ;-)

cheers,

Chris



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon Jul  9 09:07:15 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:07:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
Message-ID: <01070910071501.01448@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I am using the CMF Event product (or is it called CMF Calendar?) to create a 
new LiveEvent product.

I really like the design of the edit - and view - forms so I thought that I 
would use the same design in my forms.

But to modify the gif file isn't easy when it is a "finished" gif file you 
have to edit from. So I thought:
This is OpenSource. Shouldn't I be able to see the "source" of the gif file ?

So - when you have a product, shouldn't you put the source image file (and 
font files etc.) in the code ???
Is there a place I can find the source image file ??

Regards,
-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
This breaks the cron job that calls self.Zoo.Diet.LargeAnimals.hippo.feed(),
and all the hippos starve. Someone uses 
self.Zoo.Diet.buildings.visitor_reception.feed(),
and ends up filling the reception with hippo food.

	- Toby Dickenson, 20 Oct 2000 (Talking about URL Traversal


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon Jul  9 09:12:39 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 09:12:39 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Permissions to add different content types
References: <B76E5D86.2FFDB%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <3B496777.FDDB9BF8@nipltd.com>

marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> Ah yes, good point.
> Actually, I had a similar problem... I wanted some document types that only
> Managers could add.  WHat I did was make a new portal_type, ManagerDocument,
> so I could give it it's own security.

Yeah, that's a workaround, but a pretty horrible one :-S

How do we solve this 'properly'?

cheers,

Chris


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 09:37:58 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:37:58 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Patterns Non-Software Examples of Software Design Patterns - AGCS
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHAEKICCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

For anyone, like me, who is struggling with some of the Design Patterns
concepts like Mementoes, Composites, etc that have been flying around!

Found this quick overview that makes it slightly easier to follow some of
the dicsussions! :-)

 http://www.agcs.com/supportv2/techpapers/patterns/papers/patexamples.htm

Cheers, Jon



From josh@emediatedesigns.com  Mon Jul  9 09:57:58 2001
From: josh@emediatedesigns.com (josh@emediatedesigns.com)
Date: 9 Jul 2001 01:57:58 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] setting up default user home page.
In-Reply-To: <E15JW7F-000381-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBIIOEBKPEKJMPEEHOCEMECNAA.josh@emediatedesigns.com>

Hello,

	I have just reviewed CMF and started to use zope as a solution for my
website.  I would like users to be able to setup their place but want to
limit what the layout will happen.  In short I have a set of items that I
will display but will allow the users to update.  I would like to know where
are the defaults set so I can change them when a user is created and where I
can set what a user can modify.

example is:  When new user is created they get one graphic, text section and
contact fields.  I will set the layout of their page but want to allow them
to update the info.  This is for a directory of musicians.  I want a
consistent look but have the user take care of their info.

Thanks for the help.  Zope really looks like a good solution if I can figure
this part out.  I can modify the look and feel but haven't found the a way
to set up default fields and their permissions.

Josh



From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul  9 10:47:23 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:47:23 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Creating Content and ZODB bloat
In-Reply-To: <3B48D206.359395DE@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 10:35:02PM +0100
References: <3B48D206.359395DE@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010709104722.D3054@lenin.jamkit.com>

This reminds me of another thing: my crusade to make undo transactions
comprehensible.  

Although 'creating a document' is, to the average user, a single
action, it shows up in the transaction list as 3 or 4 events.  How can
the user decide which transactions to delete?  If the whole 'create an
object' process could be commited as a single transaction (with a
'friendly' name perhaps), it would make things a whole lot more
friendly. 

seb

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010709 09:12]:
> Hi,
> 
> Just realised that the CMF has a slight problem in content creation: What
> happens when someone wants to create a piece of content? Well, go to
> folder_factories, select the type, enter an id and click okay.
> 
> Now they decide they didn't mean to do that. So they can delete it, but the ZODB
> will have grown a bit. 
> 
> Do people think this is a common occurence? Squishdot had its previewPosting
> which allowed people to go through the write-preview-edit cycle without ever
> commiting to ZODB, I know I use it a lot ;-) In fact, it got requsted enough
> that I added the preview feature for managers and moderators to use when editing
> postings as well...
> 
> So, how do we allow the same thing in the CMF without ZODB bloat? In other
> projects, I've found it usesful to store these
> objects-which-might-never-need-to-be-stored in a session, that way you get no
> ZODB bloat but you are dealing with real object rather than fake, code
> duplicating preview forms, like previewPosting in Squishdot. Does that sounds
> like a plan?
> 
> If it sounds good, it core raise the question of when CoreSessionTracking is
> actually going to become a part of the Zope core :-S
> 
> cheers,
> 


From jens@digicool.com  Mon Jul  9 12:17:35 2001
From: jens@digicool.com (Jens Vagelpohl)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:17:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
In-Reply-To: <01070910071501.01448@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <20010709111747.9F28A13930@kermit.dataflake.org>

i'm not sure what it is that you are talking about. GIF and most other 
image file formats are binary files. there is no source. if you want to 
modify it you can load it into any image editing program and do it.

jens


On Monday, July 9, 2001, at 04:07 , Gitte Wange wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am using the CMF Event product (or is it called CMF Calendar?) to 
> create a
> new LiveEvent product.
>
> I really like the design of the edit - and view - forms so I thought that 
> I
> would use the same design in my forms.
>
> But to modify the gif file isn't easy when it is a "finished" gif file you
> have to edit from. So I thought:
> This is OpenSource. Shouldn't I be able to see the "source" of the gif 
> file ?
>
> So - when you have a product, shouldn't you put the source image file (and
> font files etc.) in the code ???
> Is there a place I can find the source image file ??
>
> Regards,
> --
> Gitte Wange Jensen
>
> Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
> MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark
>
> Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
> Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
> Web: www.mmmanager.org
>
> Quote of the day:
> This breaks the cron job that calls self.Zoo.Diet.LargeAnimals.hippo.feed(
> ),
> and all the hippos starve. Someone uses
> self.Zoo.Diet.buildings.visitor_reception.feed(),
> and ends up filling the reception with hippo food.
>
> 	- Toby Dickenson, 20 Oct 2000 (Talking about URL Traversal
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature 
> requests


From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Mon Jul  9 12:51:54 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:51:54 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] searching 'subportals'
In-Reply-To: <20010706122536.E1317@lenin.jamkit.com>
References: <3.0.6.32.20010705183753.011fdc00@pop.dplanet.ch>
 <E15IBYt-0003qB-00@mail.python.org>
 <3.0.6.32.20010705183753.011fdc00@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010709135154.01195d90@pop.dplanet.ch>

Hi Seb,

thanks a lot for the explanations!

I didn't understand every detail. I would dive in deeper when I am at the
point where I have to use *real* subportals.

Nevertheless there remain some (big picture) questions:
1) You have *real* CMF instances as subportals in a main/top CMF portal?
Correct?
2) You have one portal_catalog only? The one in the main/top portal with
your extension?
3) So the subportals do not have their own portal_catalog tool?

Greg

At 12:25 06.07.01 +0100, seb bacon wrote:
> * Gr=E9goire Weber <gregoire.weber@switzerland.org> [010705 17:49]:
> > Hi Seb,
> >=20
> > I would be interested!
>=20
> I wrote up some notes and I've submitted them.  Hopefully a new item
> should appear on the dogbowl later today.
>=20
> seb
>=20
_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon Jul  9 13:12:41 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:12:41 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Skinned Folders
References: <000001c106ad$857c28a0$0100a8c0@dev1> <3B46D4F3.5776BD59@snafu.de>
Message-ID: <3B499FB9.5DB67ABB@nipltd.com>

Christoph Schirmer wrote:
> 
> As I didn´t find any documentation on the cmf site, could someone please explain
> Skinned Folders, in comparison to Folders or Portal Folders? When should one use
> Skinned Folders?

yeah, I'd like this too, btu I guess we gotta wait for Tres to get back :-)

cheers,

Chris


From erik@mmmanager.org  Mon Jul  9 13:35:09 2001
From: erik@mmmanager.org (Erik Lange)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:35:09 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
In-Reply-To: <20010709111747.9F28A13930@kermit.dataflake.org>
Message-ID: <001201c10873$970ce330$0600000a@erla.mmmanager.org>

Allthough binary, .gif files are still created from one or more sources ;-)

Our example:
In the CMF calendar some .gif-files are used to give a very nice view of an
event.

E.g. at the top there is a small "Event Info" TAB made with a .gif-file.

I believe this TAB-design is made so it's possible to add new TABs for
editing of various aspect of special events in a portal, if one creates an
event containing more info than included on the default Event_Info TAB in
the default CMF calender.

We are making such an "extended" CMF event and would like to make a TAB in
the edit/view event, containg the edit/view of our extended event-data.

And then we need to know what font was used, what shadow, outline or other
effect was applied and so on, when the binary event_info_tab.gif-file was
originally created, to make a new event_ourinfo_tab.gif-file, with the same
look as the TAB that comes with the CMF calendar.

And THAT is what is meant by "source-code", regarding graphics ;-)

-

So, when making a Zope-product including graphic files, please include these
informations, font-files and (best of all) a "non-flattened" version of the
compositing file, with all used layers seperated (like .PSD).

Erik Lange

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Jens Vagelpohl
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:18 PM
> To: Gitte Wange
> Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
>
>
> i'm not sure what it is that you are talking about. GIF and most other
> image file formats are binary files. there is no source. if you want to
> modify it you can load it into any image editing program and do it.
>
> jens
>
>
> On Monday, July 9, 2001, at 04:07 , Gitte Wange wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am using the CMF Event product (or is it called CMF Calendar?) to
> > create a
> > new LiveEvent product.
> >
> > I really like the design of the edit - and view - forms so I
> thought that
> > I
> > would use the same design in my forms.
> >
> > But to modify the gif file isn't easy when it is a "finished"
> gif file you
> > have to edit from. So I thought:
> > This is OpenSource. Shouldn't I be able to see the "source" of the gif
> > file ?
> >
> > So - when you have a product, shouldn't you put the source
> image file (and
> > font files etc.) in the code ???
> > Is there a place I can find the source image file ??
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Gitte Wange Jensen
> >
> > Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
> > MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark
> >
> > Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
> > Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
> > Web: www.mmmanager.org
> >
> > Quote of the day:
> > This breaks the cron job that calls
> self.Zoo.Diet.LargeAnimals.hippo.feed(
> > ),
> > and all the hippos starve. Someone uses
> > self.Zoo.Diet.buildings.visitor_reception.feed(),
> > and ends up filling the reception with hippo food.
> >
> > 	- Toby Dickenson, 20 Oct 2000 (Talking about URL Traversal
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports
> and feature
> > requests
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul  9 14:09:31 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:09:31 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] searching 'subportals'
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010709135154.01195d90@pop.dplanet.ch>; from gregoire.weber@switzerland.org on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 01:51:54PM +0200
References: <3.0.6.32.20010705183753.011fdc00@pop.dplanet.ch> <E15IBYt-0003qB-00@mail.python.org> <3.0.6.32.20010705183753.011fdc00@pop.dplanet.ch> <20010706122536.E1317@lenin.jamkit.com> <3.0.6.32.20010709135154.01195d90@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <20010709140930.A17911@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Grégoire Weber <gregoire.weber@switzerland.org> [010709 12:51]:
> I didn't understand every detail. I would dive in deeper when I am at the
> point where I have to use *real* subportals.
> 
> Nevertheless there remain some (big picture) questions:
> 1) You have *real* CMF instances as subportals in a main/top CMF portal?
> Correct?

No, though you could do something like this.  In my system, each
'subportal' is actually a member's home folder.  So the root of a
'subportal' in this example is, in fact, a modified PortalFolder which
defines a 'getSite()' method.  

> 2) You have one portal_catalog only? The one in the main/top portal with
> your extension?

That's right.  I've done the same thing using multiple catalogs, but
you need to change a bit of code which expects to find catalogs in the
portal root, and anyway this approach means you don't have the ability
for site-wide searches.  

> 3) So the subportals do not have their own portal_catalog tool?

Yes.  

Off the top of my head, if you wanted 'real' portals as sub-portals,
you'd want to delete most of their tools after they've been created,
especially the catalog_tool.  You may have problems with getting the
CMF to find a catalog in an enclosing portal - have a look at the
getToolByName method to find out.

Then you could stick a python script in each subportal root which
returns a subportal identifier (like getSite in my example) for
indexing. 

seb


From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Mon Jul  9 14:38:36 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:38:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] searching 'subportals'
In-Reply-To: <20010709140930.A17911@lenin.jamkit.com>
References: <3.0.6.32.20010709135154.01195d90@pop.dplanet.ch>
 <3.0.6.32.20010705183753.011fdc00@pop.dplanet.ch>
 <E15IBYt-0003qB-00@mail.python.org>
 <3.0.6.32.20010705183753.011fdc00@pop.dplanet.ch>
 <20010706122536.E1317@lenin.jamkit.com>
 <3.0.6.32.20010709135154.01195d90@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010709153836.01220070@pop.dplanet.ch>

Seb,

Oh, so it seems we have the same disposition! See my comments below:

> > 1) You have *real* CMF instances as subportals in a main/top CMF portal?
> > Correct?
>=20
> No, though you could do something like this.  In my system, each
> 'subportal' is actually a member's home folder.  So the root of a
> 'subportal' in this example is, in fact, a modified PortalFolder which
> defines a 'getSite()' method. =20

Why do you need to make your change to the portal_catalog=20
tool? Why not exclude the other subportals items by adding the=20
'Creator' to the catalog search? Have a look at the following:

What I do to achieve the same(?):

In the standard_html_header I set a variable to the members name
(=3D subportals name) by extracting it from the objects path:

<dtml-let anchor=3D"'Members'"
          pos=3D"_.string.find(URLPATH0, anchor)"
          beg=3D"pos + _.len(anchor) + 1"
          end=3D"_.string.find(URLPATH0, '/', beg)">
<dtml-if "pos =3D=3D -1"><dtml-call "REQUEST.set('member', '')">
<dtml-else><dtml-call "REQUEST.set('member', URLPATH0[beg:end])">
</dtml-if>
</dtml-let>

So the member is '' if the rendered object is not in a Member=20
(sub)folder. My top news page (my top portals index_html) then=20
shows all news items. But the (same) index_html in the members=20
directory only shows the Creator's news items.

The search:

<dtml-let newsitems=3D"portal_catalog.searchResults(meta_type=3D'News Item',
                     sort_on=3D'Date', sort_order=3D'reverse',=
 Creator=3Dmember)">


> Off the top of my head, if you wanted 'real' portals as sub-portals,
> you'd want to delete most of their tools after they've been created,
> especially the catalog_tool.  You may have problems with getting the
> CMF to find a catalog in an enclosing portal - have a look at the
> getToolByName method to find out.
>=20
> Then you could stick a python script in each subportal root which
> returns a subportal identifier (like getSite in my example) for
> indexing.=20
Then I probably would need something like this. I'll have to do that
for long term but not yet now. So your hints will then be very=20
important. Thanks!

Greg

P.S.: I had a look at your web page and you bring it to the point!
      'And that's it.' -- cool! you're absolutely right!

   What does Jamkit do?
   We provide content management facilities for web sites.
   Our services are more effective and can be delivered quicker=20
   than those of our competitors.
   And that's it.

_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
Rigistr. 31
CH-8006 Z=FCrich
Switzerland
phone:  +41-(0)1-361 66 11
mobile: +41-(0)79-44 11 457
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From norman@khine.net  Mon Jul  9 14:54:15 2001
From: norman@khine.net (Norman Khine)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:54:15 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Count and FS Count
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOGEALCLAA.norman@khine.net>

Hello,
What is the best option to use in order to provide a counter for the number
of hits that each type-object generates, so that when a Member creates a
Document, this document will have a counter in its footer, and everytime
this is viewed it will increment.

I did install the FSCounter product, but I can't get it to work correctly?
Perhaps I am doing something wrong?

Thanks

Norman





From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Mon Jul  9 14:54:29 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:54:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Content created by Manager not editable by Member
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010709155429.011e8c80@pop.dplanet.ch>

Hi,

I'am just wondering. It is not a important point for me at the moment.
So for now it's just for learning about CMF.

When I am logged in as Manager and I create a Document (or a News Item,=20
etc.) in a Members folder it wouldn't be editable by the Member even=20
it is located in his directory. Is this a intended behaviour?

Additional information:

When I give the the Member role the permission 'Modify portal content',
the Member is then able to edit the Document. Do I open a potential=20
security hole by setting this permission in the /Member folder?=20

Greg
_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From jack@digicool.com  Mon Jul  9 15:08:24 2001
From: jack@digicool.com (John Fitzgerald)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:08:24 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Weirdness with standard_error_message in a Skin
In-Reply-To: <3B46E71E.302C7AD8@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <HOEFJDEAFIFBBNANONLNAENHCBAA.jack@digicool.com>

Hello Chris,
	This is most likely that you do not start ZOPE with a '-D' for debug mode.
FS Skins are not updated dynamically unless you start with the '-D'.

-Jack

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Chris Withers
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 6:41 AM
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] Weirdness with standard_error_message in a Skin
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to include a standard_error_message.dtml method in a 
> FS-based CMF
> skin.
> 
> The wierdness comes in that if I modify the FS based version, the 
> changes will
> _only_ get used if I customize the method or restart Zope.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea what's going on here?
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and 
> feature requests
> 


From marc@bowery.com  Mon Jul  9 16:31:02 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 11:31:02 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Count and FS Count
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOGEALCLAA.norman@khine.net>
Message-ID: <B76F4675.3008C%marc@bowery.com>

In ZopeGUM/ZopeGUD products there's a nice counter product called
ThreadSafeCounter... get one of those packages and pull that product out.
It's a ZODB counter, but doesn't cause excessive commits (bloat), a great
example of working with persistence.

> From: "Norman Khine" <norman@khine.net>
> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:54:15 +0100
> To: "Zope-Cmf" <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] Count and FS Count
> 
> Hello,
> What is the best option to use in order to provide a counter for the number
> of hits that each type-object generates, so that when a Member creates a
> Document, this document will have a counter in its footer, and everytime
> this is viewed it will increment.
> 
> I did install the FSCounter product, but I can't get it to work correctly?
> Perhaps I am doing something wrong?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Norman
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests



From andrew@digicool.com  Mon Jul  9 16:37:35 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:37:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
In-Reply-To: <01070910071501.01448@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOIEPACAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

The CMFEvent is a piece of what was going to be a more robust CMFCalendar
product; right now all the exists in the CMFCalendar product is an event.  I
don't know if and when this will change....
In regards to the images, what do you mean by the source image; do you want
the photoshop file as a psd to be included in the product?  I also don't
know what font he used in the image, but I suppose if this is what you're
meaning, I can see about adding them into the product.
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Gitte Wange
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:07 AM
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I am using the CMF Event product (or is it called CMF Calendar?)
> to create a
> new LiveEvent product.
>
> I really like the design of the edit - and view - forms so I
> thought that I
> would use the same design in my forms.
>
> But to modify the gif file isn't easy when it is a "finished" gif
> file you
> have to edit from. So I thought:
> This is OpenSource. Shouldn't I be able to see the "source" of
> the gif file ?
>
> So - when you have a product, shouldn't you put the source image
> file (and
> font files etc.) in the code ???
> Is there a place I can find the source image file ??
>
> Regards,
> --
> Gitte Wange Jensen
>
> Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
> MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark
>
> Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
> Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
> Web: www.mmmanager.org
>
> Quote of the day:
> This breaks the cron job that calls
> self.Zoo.Diet.LargeAnimals.hippo.feed(),
> and all the hippos starve. Someone uses
> self.Zoo.Diet.buildings.visitor_reception.feed(),
> and ends up filling the reception with hippo food.
>
> 	- Toby Dickenson, 20 Oct 2000 (Talking about URL Traversal
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From andrew@digicool.com  Mon Jul  9 16:41:42 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:41:42 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
In-Reply-To: <001201c10873$970ce330$0600000a@erla.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOMEPACAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

I guess I should have read the whole thread before replying.  I'll see if I
can get these files and include them in the product.  I'm not an artist, so
i had someone who has more skill in this area do the images for me.
Thanks,
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Erik Lange
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:35 AM
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
>
>
> Allthough binary, .gif files are still created from one or more
> sources ;-)
>
> Our example:
> In the CMF calendar some .gif-files are used to give a very nice
> view of an
> event.
>
> E.g. at the top there is a small "Event Info" TAB made with a .gif-file.
>
> I believe this TAB-design is made so it's possible to add new TABs for
> editing of various aspect of special events in a portal, if one creates an
> event containing more info than included on the default Event_Info TAB in
> the default CMF calender.
>
> We are making such an "extended" CMF event and would like to make a TAB in
> the edit/view event, containg the edit/view of our extended event-data.
>
> And then we need to know what font was used, what shadow, outline or other
> effect was applied and so on, when the binary event_info_tab.gif-file was
> originally created, to make a new event_ourinfo_tab.gif-file,
> with the same
> look as the TAB that comes with the CMF calendar.
>
> And THAT is what is meant by "source-code", regarding graphics ;-)
>
> -
>
> So, when making a Zope-product including graphic files, please
> include these
> informations, font-files and (best of all) a "non-flattened"
> version of the
> compositing file, with all used layers seperated (like .PSD).
>
> Erik Lange
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> > Of Jens Vagelpohl
> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:18 PM
> > To: Gitte Wange
> > Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
> > Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
> >
> >
> > i'm not sure what it is that you are talking about. GIF and most other
> > image file formats are binary files. there is no source. if you want to
> > modify it you can load it into any image editing program and do it.
> >
> > jens
> >
> >
> > On Monday, July 9, 2001, at 04:07 , Gitte Wange wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am using the CMF Event product (or is it called CMF Calendar?) to
> > > create a
> > > new LiveEvent product.
> > >
> > > I really like the design of the edit - and view - forms so I
> > thought that
> > > I
> > > would use the same design in my forms.
> > >
> > > But to modify the gif file isn't easy when it is a "finished"
> > gif file you
> > > have to edit from. So I thought:
> > > This is OpenSource. Shouldn't I be able to see the "source" of the gif
> > > file ?
> > >
> > > So - when you have a product, shouldn't you put the source
> > image file (and
> > > font files etc.) in the code ???
> > > Is there a place I can find the source image file ??
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > --
> > > Gitte Wange Jensen
> > >
> > > Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
> > > MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark
> > >
> > > Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
> > > Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
> > > Web: www.mmmanager.org
> > >
> > > Quote of the day:
> > > This breaks the cron job that calls
> > self.Zoo.Diet.LargeAnimals.hippo.feed(
> > > ),
> > > and all the hippos starve. Someone uses
> > > self.Zoo.Diet.buildings.visitor_reception.feed(),
> > > and ends up filling the reception with hippo food.
> > >
> > > 	- Toby Dickenson, 20 Oct 2000 (Talking about URL Traversal
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> > >
> > > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports
> > and feature
> > > requests
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> > feature requests
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From shane@digicool.com  Mon Jul  9 16:49:06 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 11:49:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] N-Dimensional security again (Hi Shane :-)
References: <003301c107d0$5c1693a0$2341073e@withers> <20010708191041.A3054@lenin.jamkit.com> <005101c107ea$04af3ee0$2341073e@withers>
Message-ID: <3B49D272.71B86E2@digicool.com>

Chris Withers wrote:
> Now, from what I know so far, the DCWorkflow tool solves the N-dimensional
> security problem once an object has been created, however, it doesn't solve
> the problem that you need one permission per content type if you want fine
> grained control over the ability to add content.
> 
> So, Shane, you solved the last problem with a truly amazing tool, could it
> be extended to solve this bit of the problem too?

You can protect access to the type objects by visiting their security
tab.  The only thing this solution doesn't provide for is local roles.

Shane


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon Jul  9 17:11:14 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:11:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
In-Reply-To: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOMEPACAAA.andrew@digicool.com>
References: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOMEPACAAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <01070918111401.01529@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Monday 09 July 2001 17:41, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> I guess I should have read the whole thread before replying.  I'll see if I
> can get these files and include them in the product.  I'm not an artist, so
> i had someone who has more skill in this area do the images for me.
> Thanks,
> Andrew

The event product - or calendar product - is great !!
I have made some modifications to it (created a new portal type that inherits 
from the Event class) and it just works SUPERB !!
:-))))

But we could use the .psd file ...

Maybe people should just get used to include this kind of stuf in their 
products. It makes things so much easier to modify.

Regards,

-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
When I say multiple mails, I mean multiple mails. NOT "26
attachments in one mail." In fact, not a single attachment at all,
please. Send me patches as a regular text body, with the
explanation at the top, and the patch just appended. Why?
Attachements may look simple, but they are not. I end up having to
open each and every one of them individually, remembering which
one I've checked, save them off individually, remembering what the
file name was, and then apply them each individually. See the
picture? Attachements are evil.

	- Linus Torvalds


From erik@mmmanager.org  Mon Jul  9 17:42:56 2001
From: erik@mmmanager.org (Erik Lange)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:42:56 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
In-Reply-To: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOMEPACAAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <000001c10896$348802d0$0600000a@erla.mmmanager.org>

Great :-)

But please don't let me distract you too much from your excellent
programming work !

It's really not that big a problem in the example stated below - it looks
like a standard Arial font type.. the shadow is harder to recreate though
and a .psd-file would have solved that, but I think I've got it now ;-)

So the reason for my last post was more to suggest a common policy for
future developed products.

Thanks,
Erik

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Andrew Sawyers
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 5:42 PM
> To: erik@mmmanager.org; zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
>
>
> I guess I should have read the whole thread before replying.
> I'll see if I
> can get these files and include them in the product.  I'm not an
> artist, so
> i had someone who has more skill in this area do the images for me.
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> > Of Erik Lange
> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:35 AM
> > To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> > Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
> >
> >
> > Allthough binary, .gif files are still created from one or more
> > sources ;-)
> >
> > Our example:
> > In the CMF calendar some .gif-files are used to give a very nice
> > view of an
> > event.
> >
> > E.g. at the top there is a small "Event Info" TAB made with a .gif-file.
> >
> > I believe this TAB-design is made so it's possible to add new TABs for
> > editing of various aspect of special events in a portal, if one
> creates an
> > event containing more info than included on the default
> Event_Info TAB in
> > the default CMF calender.
> >
> > We are making such an "extended" CMF event and would like to
> make a TAB in
> > the edit/view event, containg the edit/view of our extended event-data.
> >
> > And then we need to know what font was used, what shadow,
> outline or other
> > effect was applied and so on, when the binary
> event_info_tab.gif-file was
> > originally created, to make a new event_ourinfo_tab.gif-file,
> > with the same
> > look as the TAB that comes with the CMF calendar.
> >
> > And THAT is what is meant by "source-code", regarding graphics ;-)
> >
> > -
> >
> > So, when making a Zope-product including graphic files, please
> > include these
> > informations, font-files and (best of all) a "non-flattened"
> > version of the
> > compositing file, with all used layers seperated (like .PSD).
> >
> > Erik Lange
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org
> [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> > > Of Jens Vagelpohl
> > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:18 PM
> > > To: Gitte Wange
> > > Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
> > >
> > >
> > > i'm not sure what it is that you are talking about. GIF and most other
> > > image file formats are binary files. there is no source. if
> you want to
> > > modify it you can load it into any image editing program and do it.
> > >
> > > jens
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, July 9, 2001, at 04:07 , Gitte Wange wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I am using the CMF Event product (or is it called CMF Calendar?) to
> > > > create a
> > > > new LiveEvent product.
> > > >
> > > > I really like the design of the edit - and view - forms so I
> > > thought that
> > > > I
> > > > would use the same design in my forms.
> > > >
> > > > But to modify the gif file isn't easy when it is a "finished"
> > > gif file you
> > > > have to edit from. So I thought:
> > > > This is OpenSource. Shouldn't I be able to see the "source"
> of the gif
> > > > file ?
> > > >
> > > > So - when you have a product, shouldn't you put the source
> > > image file (and
> > > > font files etc.) in the code ???
> > > > Is there a place I can find the source image file ??
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > --
> > > > Gitte Wange Jensen
> > > >
> > > > Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
> > > > MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark
> > > >
> > > > Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
> > > > Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
> > > > Web: www.mmmanager.org
> > > >
> > > > Quote of the day:
> > > > This breaks the cron job that calls
> > > self.Zoo.Diet.LargeAnimals.hippo.feed(
> > > > ),
> > > > and all the hippos starve. Someone uses
> > > > self.Zoo.Diet.buildings.visitor_reception.feed(),
> > > > and ends up filling the reception with hippo food.
> > > >
> > > > 	- Toby Dickenson, 20 Oct 2000 (Talking about URL Traversal
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> > > >
> > > > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports
> > > and feature
> > > > requests
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> > >
> > > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> > > feature requests
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> > feature requests
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From andrew@digicool.com  Mon Jul  9 17:46:51 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:46:51 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
In-Reply-To: <000001c10896$348802d0$0600000a@erla.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOCEPBCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

Ok, well it only took a second for me to ask; and I've got the psd and the
font.  The font is actually called 'charcoal'; I'll add them to the CVS
sometime today.
Andrew
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Lange [mailto:erik@mmmanager.org]
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:43 PM
> To: Andrew Sawyers; zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
>
>
> Great :-)
>
> But please don't let me distract you too much from your excellent
> programming work !
>
> It's really not that big a problem in the example stated below - it looks
> like a standard Arial font type.. the shadow is harder to recreate though
> and a .psd-file would have solved that, but I think I've got it now ;-)
>
> So the reason for my last post was more to suggest a common policy for
> future developed products.
>
> Thanks,
> Erik
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> > Of Andrew Sawyers
> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 5:42 PM
> > To: erik@mmmanager.org; zope-cmf@zope.org
> > Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
> >
> >
> > I guess I should have read the whole thread before replying.
> > I'll see if I
> > can get these files and include them in the product.  I'm not an
> > artist, so
> > i had someone who has more skill in this area do the images for me.
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org
> [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> > > Of Erik Lange
> > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:35 AM
> > > To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> > > Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
> > >
> > >
> > > Allthough binary, .gif files are still created from one or more
> > > sources ;-)
> > >
> > > Our example:
> > > In the CMF calendar some .gif-files are used to give a very nice
> > > view of an
> > > event.
> > >
> > > E.g. at the top there is a small "Event Info" TAB made with a
> .gif-file.
> > >
> > > I believe this TAB-design is made so it's possible to add new TABs for
> > > editing of various aspect of special events in a portal, if one
> > creates an
> > > event containing more info than included on the default
> > Event_Info TAB in
> > > the default CMF calender.
> > >
> > > We are making such an "extended" CMF event and would like to
> > make a TAB in
> > > the edit/view event, containg the edit/view of our extended
> event-data.
> > >
> > > And then we need to know what font was used, what shadow,
> > outline or other
> > > effect was applied and so on, when the binary
> > event_info_tab.gif-file was
> > > originally created, to make a new event_ourinfo_tab.gif-file,
> > > with the same
> > > look as the TAB that comes with the CMF calendar.
> > >
> > > And THAT is what is meant by "source-code", regarding graphics ;-)
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > So, when making a Zope-product including graphic files, please
> > > include these
> > > informations, font-files and (best of all) a "non-flattened"
> > > version of the
> > > compositing file, with all used layers seperated (like .PSD).
> > >
> > > Erik Lange
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org
> > [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> > > > Of Jens Vagelpohl
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:18 PM
> > > > To: Gitte Wange
> > > > Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Font files and image source
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > i'm not sure what it is that you are talking about. GIF and
> most other
> > > > image file formats are binary files. there is no source. if
> > you want to
> > > > modify it you can load it into any image editing program and do it.
> > > >
> > > > jens
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, July 9, 2001, at 04:07 , Gitte Wange wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am using the CMF Event product (or is it called CMF
> Calendar?) to
> > > > > create a
> > > > > new LiveEvent product.
> > > > >
> > > > > I really like the design of the edit - and view - forms so I
> > > > thought that
> > > > > I
> > > > > would use the same design in my forms.
> > > > >
> > > > > But to modify the gif file isn't easy when it is a "finished"
> > > > gif file you
> > > > > have to edit from. So I thought:
> > > > > This is OpenSource. Shouldn't I be able to see the "source"
> > of the gif
> > > > > file ?
> > > > >
> > > > > So - when you have a product, shouldn't you put the source
> > > > image file (and
> > > > > font files etc.) in the code ???
> > > > > Is there a place I can find the source image file ??
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > --
> > > > > Gitte Wange Jensen
> > > > >
> > > > > Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
> > > > > MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark
> > > > >
> > > > > Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
> > > > > Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
> > > > > Web: www.mmmanager.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Quote of the day:
> > > > > This breaks the cron job that calls
> > > > self.Zoo.Diet.LargeAnimals.hippo.feed(
> > > > > ),
> > > > > and all the hippos starve. Someone uses
> > > > > self.Zoo.Diet.buildings.visitor_reception.feed(),
> > > > > and ends up filling the reception with hippo food.
> > > > >
> > > > > 	- Toby Dickenson, 20 Oct 2000 (Talking about URL Traversal
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > > > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> > > > >
> > > > > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports
> > > > and feature
> > > > > requests
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> > > >
> > > > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> > > > feature requests
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> > >
> > > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> > > feature requests
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> > feature requests
> >
>
>



From ueck@net-labs.de  Mon Jul  9 17:53:41 2001
From: ueck@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:53:41 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIPCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <006d01c104e7$691c3fa0$6600000a@netlabs.local> <20010705095413.D25562@lenin.jamkit.com> <00a301c105a8$9e750bc0$6600000a@netlabs.local> <3B45323E.51BBD0F1@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <011101c10897$b569ac90$3300000a@work01>

hi shane

> I encourage you to try out the DCWorkflow product.  Although it's still
> in its infancy, it provides a good way to implement everything you
> listed.  It is not shipped with CMF yet.  It was developed based on
> PTK/CMF community feedback that was remarkably similar to yours.
>

I have thought a lot about the state-transition-machine you used
for the DCWorkflow and you're right .. most of the scenarios
could be implemented using your Product.

However I'm still struggling with these questions:

- To clearly separate different (hierarchical) workflows i need lots of new
  PortalTypes (those main job is to define some workflow-relevat parts)
  After modelling a larger project into the DCWorkflow I'll have probably
  lots of objects which need to be stored somewhere (where ??) and may
  confuse users .. any suggestions on this ??

- some of the features in the dc-workflow:

  How does Triggertype: Initiated by WorkflowMethod work ?? is this
  transition triggered when the script is called or is this just a
definition
  that the script should trigger this transition??

  What's the intend of  Guard/Expression .. is this an expression that
  controls the transition to happen or not and if .. what type of
expression:
  regex or python (and what namespace)



> The feature of binding types to workflow definitions is *specifically*
> designed to make sub-workflows and multiple simultaneous workflows
> possible... and maybe even easy.
>
I can still not relly figure out how this should work, if e.g. something
depends
on some other part of the workflow to be finished, if these parts in
different
workflows (A document and a corresponding news-item for example, where
the news-item can only or must be created when the Document is published)

As far as I understood what there happens is: Every PortalObject is part
of is own workflow while its lifetime. they're all executed parallel and
there
is no obvious mechanism to syncronize their behaviour.

Did I get this right ??

> If you disagree, however, just make your own portal_workflow tool.  You
> don't even have to change the CMF source.  The binding of type to
> workflow is only an assumption that the default portal_workflow makes
> and nothing else in CMF depends on it.  Really!
>

This will be the last thing I'll start .. I'm thinking of some combination
of
the "ObjectWorkflow" (yours :) and an addition that could be called
portal_groupworkflow which is better in handling multi-user/multi-object
workflow that is activity/task-centric .. what do you think about that?

cheers
Ulrich Eck




From pje@telecommunity.com  Mon Jul  9 18:14:18 2001
From: pje@telecommunity.com (Phillip J. Eby)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:14:18 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow
In-Reply-To: <011101c10897$b569ac90$3300000a@work01>
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIPCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
 <006d01c104e7$691c3fa0$6600000a@netlabs.local>
 <20010705095413.D25562@lenin.jamkit.com>
 <00a301c105a8$9e750bc0$6600000a@netlabs.local>
 <3B45323E.51BBD0F1@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <E15Jef0-0007ms-00@mail.python.org>

At 06:53 PM 7/9/01 +0200, Ulrich Eck wrote:
>
>I can still not relly figure out how this should work, if e.g. something
>depends
>on some other part of the workflow to be finished, if these parts in
>different
>workflows (A document and a corresponding news-item for example, where
>the news-item can only or must be created when the Document is published)

This is what "guard" expressions are for.  You can create scripts in the
script part which check for these things to exist, and return a true or
false value that can be used in a transition guard.

However, since nothing happens to a workflow-covered object unless a
transition/action is initiated, you may need to have all objects
participating in a workflow perform a "nudge" action on each other when
they change.  That is, sub-workflow transitions should include a call to an
action on the parent workflow instance, so that the parent's guard rules
have a chance to trigger.

You might literally make a workflow transition called "nudge" or "poll",
which does nothing to the current workflow state.  The idea is that nudging
has no effect, but any "automatic" transitions from the current state will
automatically occur afterwards.  (Actually, there may exist an API in
DCWorkflow to do this without making a fake transition, but I'm not aware
of it.)

Alternatively, you can put the rules about how the parent workflow should
progress into the child workflow, but it's probably not generally a good
idea since usually one wants to share child workflow schemas among multiple
parent workflow schemas, and thus the child does not/should not know how
the parent workflow operates, except that it is part of one.



From ueck@net-labs.de  Mon Jul  9 18:30:26 2001
From: ueck@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:30:26 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How can CMF and ZPatterns nicely work together .. anyone tried this with success ??
Message-ID: <017f01c1089c$d7a9bbb0$3300000a@work01>

We use ZPatterns for our WebApplications and think about to base
these applications on CMF which really has solutions for many things
we actually need.

Has anyone used ZPatterns and CMF together??

I think I'ld need to subclass my dataskins from PortalContent, DublinCoreImpl and
DataSkin .. any experience it these classes could be used together (still doing what
they should ;-) ??

When I use a Specialist for storing data .. should this be extended with PortalFolder
functionality ??

thanks for your comments

Ulrich Eck





From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon Jul  9 18:33:17 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:33:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Weirdness with standard_error_message in a Skin
References: <HOEFJDEAFIFBBNANONLNAENHCBAA.jack@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B49EADD.15694790@nipltd.com>

John Fitzgerald wrote:
> 
> Hello Chris,
>         This is most likely that you do not start ZOPE with a '-D' for debug mode.
> FS Skins are not updated dynamically unless you start with the '-D'.

I can assure you, Zope is running in debug mode ;-)

It's _only_ the standard_error_message that is affected...

cheers,

Chris


From jeff@thecolemans.ws  Mon Jul  9 20:58:20 2001
From: jeff@thecolemans.ws (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:58:20 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Require login
Message-ID: <00f001c108b1$92e3c9c0$1001a8c0@jeff2k>

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From robert@redcor.ch  Mon Jul  9 21:46:41 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:46:41 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How can I use the portal_actions tool
Message-ID: <001901c108b8$42145d00$a9a4023e@karin>

Can I use the portal_actions toll to add actions to the portal itself. If
yes how?

Robert



From shane@digicool.com  Mon Jul  9 21:41:34 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:41:34 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Require login
References: <00f001c108b1$92e3c9c0$1001a8c0@jeff2k>
Message-ID: <3B4A16FE.548F17A9@digicool.com>

> I would like to require login for the entire portal.
> I have search the site and mail list half the day without finding the
> nugget of information I need :-o.

Put all of your site content in a folder.  In that folder, visit the
Security tab.  Disallow the "View" and "Access contents information"
permissions for the Anonymous role.  That way, users who haven't logged
in won't be able to access anything in the folder.

Don't turn off the View permission for the site root, though, since that
will prevent users from viewing the login page... unless you don't mind
using basic auth instead of cookies.

Shane


From shane@digicool.com  Mon Jul  9 21:42:05 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:42:05 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How can I use the portal_actions tool
References: <001901c108b8$42145d00$a9a4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <3B4A171D.48D48110@digicool.com>

Robert Rottermann wrote:
> 
> Can I use the portal_actions toll to add actions to the portal itself. If
> yes how?

Not yet. :-(

Shane


From runyaga@thisbox.com  Mon Jul  9 22:05:42 2001
From: runyaga@thisbox.com (alan runyan)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:05:42 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] anonymous to submit content?
Message-ID: <005201c108ba$ea791e70$1701640a@pythonic>

ok.  if you look on zope-dev you can see i'm having a hard time w/ letting
Anonymous users create content in the CMF.  It appears its some heavy mojo
inside the security machinery (or that is my perception after 2 hours w/ the
debugger and lots of Cokes). Two requests:  if you are a guru, please look
at my post.  Its a bit rambling and was composed over a few hours.  I
believe the jist is there.

Second Request: which is on topic for the CMF.
What is the 'way' of letting Anonymous Users to create Content Objects in
the CMF?  I had an idea that seemingly could work well. and would be useable
(almost) by all CMF Content Objects.  We create 2 Script (Pythons) that are
proxied as high level users, we do this for each Content Object.  For
instance, mine would be createJobPosting and submitJobPosting.  I have a
user called, PUBLIC.

in the createJobPosting: we invokeFactory to create the desired content
object in the PUBLIC directory.  then we need to return the view
(xxx_edit_form) of that object (newly created object), proxied as if they
were God.  they will be submitting this to submitJobPosting which again
another proxied Script (Python) which simply saves it to the edit method of
the object and then submits it to a review status.

so we could have all job postings sitting in /Members/PUBLIC/job#########
and then if we wanted we could move them out of there on 'Publish'.  Has
anyone got this working?  This isnt needed if users are logged into the CMF,
but if you are Anonymous I am having all sorts of problems.  I would love to
see the CMF have a plethora of objects that did common functionality of
websites where anonymous users could submit content, it could be reviewed
and then integrated into the website.

problems: the object has to be away of its view.  this could be an
acquistion issue, i have no clue.  i.e. I ended up having to create a method
on the object called, getEditView (which returned the rendered DTML).  the
second is that on publishing of this view, all calls to this() hork, because
 of security problems being Anonymous (even if you are proxied) -- in my
case, standard_html_header on _.hasattr(this(), 'isEffective') .  This is
the step I'm trying to figure out.  I will jump through the Python hoops so
that people dont have to proxy their standard_header or any other DTML
Methods.  I will write this up as HOW-TO if we/I can figure it out.

am I missing something and has someone already conquered this?

cheers,
~runyaga

p.s. logging into the CMF is quite a bit of user effort and to submit Job
Postings/URL (Swishdot?) ,NEWS, Events -- w/o having to log in and then
delegated members can review and push it through a more comprehensive
workflow would be SWEET.  soo, has anyone succeeded?




From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon Jul  9 22:13:55 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:13:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How can I use the portal_actions tool
In-Reply-To: <001901c108b8$42145d00$a9a4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107091704140.799-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Robert Rottermann wrote:

> Can I use the portal_actions toll to add actions to the portal itself. If
> yes how?

Adding that feature is on the list for the next release of CMF;
at the moment, you would need to replace the 'portal_actions' tool
with another implementation of its interface (a folder full of
ExternalMethods would probably work).  The interface is defined
in CMFCore/interfaces/portal_actions.py.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                               tseaver@palladion.com



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon Jul  9 22:35:36 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:35:36 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How can I use the portal_actions tool
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107091704140.799-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <001c01c108bf$1f5b7df0$eb57073e@withers>

> Adding that feature is on the list for the next release of CMF;
> at the moment, you would need to replace the 'portal_actions' tool
> with another implementation of its interface (a folder full of
> ExternalMethods would probably work).  The interface is defined
> in CMFCore/interfaces/portal_actions.py.

I'm up for doing this if you guys have better things to do, I need it for
Swishdot afterall :-)

cheers,

Chris



From karl@digicool.com  Mon Jul  9 23:30:47 2001
From: karl@digicool.com (Karl Anderson)
Date: 09 Jul 2001 15:30:47 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How can I use the portal_actions tool
In-Reply-To: "Robert Rottermann"'s message of "Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:46:41 +0200"
References: <001901c108b8$42145d00$a9a4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <m11ynpzqeg.fsf@localhost.localdomain>

Robert Rottermann <robert@redcor.ch> writes:

> Can I use the portal_actions toll to add actions to the portal itself. If
> yes how?

I did this in a Q&D way by creating an object instance that did what
an action provider does and adding it to the actions tool:

        portal.demo_actions_provider = CMFDemoActionProvider()
        portal_actions = getToolByName(portal, "portal_actions")
        portal_actions.action_providers = (portal_actions.action_providers +
                                           ('demo_actions_provider',))

The CMfDemoActionProvider class only supported the listActions()
method, which returns a list of dicts for making links.

-- 
Karl Anderson                          karl@digicool.com


From karl@digicool.com  Mon Jul  9 23:59:39 2001
From: karl@digicool.com (Karl Anderson)
Date: 09 Jul 2001 15:59:39 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: A better CMFworkflow - XML configuration
In-Reply-To: Shane Hathaway's message of "Sat, 07 Jul 2001 00:07:34 -0400"
References: <E15IY2P-0002mN-00@mail.python.org> <000001c10692$a5bbe170$0100a8c0@dev1> <3B468B06.58184F7F@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <m1wv5hyahw.fsf@localhost.localdomain>

Shane Hathaway <shane@digicool.com> writes:

> > If the XMLObject project was ready, we could even try this on existing
> > workflow tools without distracting them at all. It sounds like that will
> > someday provide XML (de)serialization.
> 
> I've written several XML (de)serialization routines (for other
> projects), and they all turned out to be a lot more work than I
> expected.  There must be a pattern out there that's easy to apply and
> extend.  Look, for example, at the implementation of PPML, the "Python
> Pickle Markup Language", in lib/python/Shared/DC/xml.  The
> implementation is much more complex than I would expect.

This is one of the intended benefits for ZDOM.

The idea is that Zope objects could provide a DOM interface, and XML
(de)serialization would be on top of that.

An XML representation based on a one-size-fits-all DOM interface would
likely be clunky for complex objects, but so far I've assumed that
this isn't a big deal - XML is made to be clunky :) and the question
is what tools could be used to translate this to usablility by the
time it reaches a human.  Subclasses of the DOM interface tailored to
object types?  DOM Traversal interfaces to filter out unwanted info?
Transforms to compartmentalize unwanted info into nodes that could be
collapsed in the interface? 

> Here's an off-topic thought: writing Python object <-> XML routines in
> Python is more complex than expected, and writing Python object <-> XML
> routines in XML (i.e. XSLT) is also complex, but maybe the "sweet spot"
> is in writing a short XML file that combines with a short Python file? 
> Somehow you'd put everything XMLish in the XML file and everything
> Pythonic in the module.  Hmm... :-)

I don't get this idea - what's the difference between Pythonic data
and XMLish data?  I think of XML as a wire format for hierarchical
information - look at the DOM or the Infoset to see how simple this
hierarchy has to be.  If your Python stuff fits that mold,
(de)serializing will be easy, else it will take effort.  So rather
than storing stuff as XML, where it's hard to reach, store it as
Python objects which are easily translatable to nodes, attributes,
etc..

-- 
Karl Anderson                          karl@digicool.com


From arkbit@yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 01:22:27 2001
From: arkbit@yahoo.com (Arkaitz)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 02:22:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] To CMF or not to CMF
Message-ID: <994724547.468.8.camel@basajaun>

Hi all,

For the next site we'll build, we are evaluating the Zope CMF. We like
Zope, and could use "bare-bones" Zope to develop it, but we are
wondering if the CMF is the magic piece that will give us everything
without having to reinvent the wheel ourselves.

The site is for a Non-profit organization that is mid-sized. They want
to be able to publish all the information they have, which will change
over time, plus basic news and little more. This is not going to be a
"portal", with lots of members, etc. Just the minimum editors/members
that will write the content in STX. Our job is basically to provide a
design and the tools for them to publish the information. The site won't
be in English.

Now, the question is, is this kind of site well suited for the CMF? I
guess being in the list I am, the responses will be quite possitive ;-),
but I would appreciate any reasoned answer regarding our doubt. The CMF
is a big and new beast for us, we'd like to be sure that it's worth the
effort to learn it ;-).

TIA,
Arkaitz.




From bill@libc.org  Tue Jul 10 06:16:26 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 09 Jul 2001 23:16:26 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Documenting DCWorkflow, an idea
Message-ID: <994742195.5363.4.camel@locutus.libc.org>

I've been thinking about playing with teh DCWorkflow beta (alpha?).
it occurs to me a nice way of documenting it for we the current users of
CMF, is a how-to that build the same functionality as the default. that
way, the examples can be compared with known behaviours, providing much
less need for explanation.

Any takers? I myself have not experimented sufficiently to know what
ties what to what in DCWorkflow.

Bill Anderson




From bill@libc.org  Tue Jul 10 06:27:42 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 09 Jul 2001 23:27:42 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] To CMF or not to CMF
In-Reply-To: <994724547.468.8.camel@basajaun>
References: <994724547.468.8.camel@basajaun>
Message-ID: <994742862.5363.5.camel@locutus.libc.org>

On 10 Jul 2001 02:22:27 +0200, Arkaitz wrote:
...
> The site is for a Non-profit organization that is mid-sized. They want
> to be able to publish all the information they have, which will change
> over time, plus basic news and little more. This is not going to be a
> "portal", with lots of members, etc. Just the minimum editors/members
> that will write the content in STX. Our job is basically to provide a
> design and the tools for them to publish the information. The site won't
> be in English.
> 
> Now, the question is, is this kind of site well suited for the CMF? I
> guess being in the list I am, the responses will be quite possitive ;-),
> but I would appreciate any reasoned answer regarding our doubt. The CMF
...

In this case, I believe CMF is the right choice. here are some reasons:
The functionality of the site *_WILL_* increase. they may want the simple 
stuff now, but just you wait, it will not stay that way. I have yet to see 
a site such as the one you describe stay that simple for long. CMF will make 
it easy to add most things in the future, with an integrated 'look and feel'.

With the CMF, you will get the good stuff up front, news, pre-built content-writer's 
interface, preset permissions (review, etc.), and then, later when the feature creep 
sets in, there is/will be more easily waiting. 

Another reason, is that through judicious use of the Scriptable Types interface
in the types tool, you can easily, and I mean easily, make different types of
standard documents, such as Article, review, howTo, etc. with little effort
and easy searching. This is precisely the means I have used on 
http://bill.noreboots.com and http://www.libc.org.

On these sites, I have taken the above procedure to create a veritable
cornucopia of document types. on the former, only I have a login, and hence
any permissions to do anything other than view. On the latter, site members
have differing levels of authority.

So, based solely upon what you have posted, I would propose the CMF,
as opposed to 'straight zope'. 

Bill Anderson
http://www.immosys.com




From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul  9 17:16:40 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 09 Jul 2001 18:16:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Duplicating NewsItem and custom CMF product.
Message-ID: <87sng613iv.fsf@thingamy.net>

Hi, guys.

I'm endavouring to grok CMF, but it's a struggle.  I've got it halfway
pinned down now, but suddenly, in a weak moment of mine, it escaped!

First, I tried to make my own python CMF product; CMFTestProduct.
This product provides the TestObject object and not much else.  I
basically abused CMFCalendar beyond recognition.  Adding it is
no problemo, but viewing is a different story.  I get:

 Error Type: Not Found
 Error Value: Cannot find default view for "/cmf_site/Members/user1/test_object2"

What's the secret?

Second, I tried to mangle NewsItem.py in CMFDefault/.  I copied it to a
file (in the same CMFDefault/ folder) named NewsItemErik.py.  Then I
modified the skins, Portal.py and the content of NewsItemErik.py to
reflect this change.  I created a new site and News Item Erik is now
in the portal_types; great, nice, I like :).  I was kinda assuming to
be able to see News Item Erik after clicking "New..." as a Member of
the site, but uh-oh.  No-can-do.  After some sourcediving, I narrowed
it down to this fellow:

    def _getFactoryMethod(self, container, raise_exc=0):
        if not self.product or not self.factory:
            return None
        try:
            p = container.manage_addProduct[self.product]
            m = getattr(p, self.factory, None)
            if m is not None:
                if getSecurityManager().validate(p, p, self.factory, m):
                    return m
            return None
        except:
            if raise_exc:
                raise
            return None

It's the

        m = getattr(p, self.factory, None)

that fails (or returns None, if you absolutely must know).  Could
anyone be so kinda as to tell me why?  It would be very much
appretiated.  Sourcediving isn't one of my favourite sports, even
though I quite like it, I like real diving and sun-bathing more!

(CMF looks great though, keep up the good work!)

(Oh, and I have loads of lovely nitpicking on source code - missing
module-docstrings, CVS-headers, wild'n'crazy-excepts and more.  Anyone
interested?)


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 07:41:01 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:41:01 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Documenting DCWorkflow, an idea
References: <994742195.5363.4.camel@locutus.libc.org>
Message-ID: <3B4AA37D.5A3CF53D@nipltd.com>

Bill Anderson wrote:
> 
> Any takers? I myself have not experimented sufficiently to know what
> ties what to what in DCWorkflow.

That's a great idea, but I'm in the same position as you...

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 08:15:03 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:15:03 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] TypesTool question
Message-ID: <3B4AAB77.DFAADEC8@nipltd.com>

Hi,

How come there's a call to isConstructionAllowed() in the
ScriptableTypeInformation implementation of constructInstance but there isn't a
call to isConstructionAllowed in the FactoryTypeInformation implementaion of
constructInstance?

cheers,

Chris


From bill@libc.org  Tue Jul 10 08:11:56 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 01:11:56 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Content created by Manager not editable by Member
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010709155429.011e8c80@pop.dplanet.ch>
References: <3.0.6.32.20010709155429.011e8c80@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <994749122.5363.6.camel@locutus.libc.org>

On 09 Jul 2001 15:54:29 +0200, Gr=E9goire Weber wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> I'am just wondering. It is not a important point for me at the moment.
> So for now it's just for learning about CMF.
>=20
> When I am logged in as Manager and I create a Document (or a News Item,=20
> etc.) in a Members folder it wouldn't be editable by the Member even=20
> it is located in his directory. Is this a intended behaviour?

yes.

the content is owned by whomever created it. only the manager, owner,
and any role given the permission (as you note below) can modify
content.

>=20
> Additional information:
>=20
> When I give the the Member role the permission 'Modify portal content',
> the Member is then able to edit the Document. Do I open a potential=20
> security hole by setting this permission in the /Member folder?=20

Yes. AIUI, with this setting, any member could modify other peoples
content. that is generally a bad thing. One thing that comes to my mind
as a potential issue, is that a member could modify a manager's methods,
and thus onsert malicious code.

I think it is a bad idea, but it is not my site, and I am admittedly=20
slightly paranoid about that.

Bill





From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Tue Jul 10 08:32:02 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:32:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Content created by Manager not editable by
 Member
In-Reply-To: <994749122.5363.6.camel@locutus.libc.org>
References: <3.0.6.32.20010709155429.011e8c80@pop.dplanet.ch>
 <3.0.6.32.20010709155429.011e8c80@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010710093202.011c1c50@pop.dplanet.ch>

Hi Bill,

Lots of thanks for your competent answer!

> I think it is a bad idea, but it is not my site, and I am admittedly=20
> slightly paranoid about that.
Oh yes, I supposed that also. That's really bad. No fear I have about the=20
same level of paranoia :-)

Greg
_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Tue Jul 10 08:59:08 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:59:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Content created by Manager not editable by
 Member
In-Reply-To: <994749122.5363.6.camel@locutus.libc.org>
References: <3.0.6.32.20010709155429.011e8c80@pop.dplanet.ch>
 <3.0.6.32.20010709155429.011e8c80@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010710095908.011ed190@pop.dplanet.ch>

Another observation just for the people on the list:

> the content is owned by whomever created it. only the manager, owner,
> and any role given the permission (as you note below) can modify
> content.
The Member is not able to change the status of the item, but he's
able to *delete* (!) and copy/paste it! After copy'n'pasting it
the member is the owner of the piece of content! If you like it to
have the same name as before 'foo' and not this 'copy_of_foo' name,
you should rename it afterwards.=20

And you can do this all as Member and without additional permissions!

Greg

_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From erik@thingamy.net  Tue Jul 10 08:57:38 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 09:57:38 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Duplicating NewsItem and custom CMF product.
In-Reply-To: <87sng613iv.fsf@thingamy.net>
References: <87sng613iv.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <873d85z05p.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Erik Enge]

| First, I tried to make my own python CMF product; CMFTestProduct.
| This product provides the TestObject object and not much else.  I
| basically abused CMFCalendar beyond recognition.  Adding it is
| no problemo, but viewing is a different story.  I get:
| 
|  Error Type: Not Found
|  Error Value: Cannot find default view for "/cmf_site/Members/user1/test_object2"

Just to provide slightly more info: if I add 

        test_object_view = DTMLFile('skins/test_product/test_object_view', globals())

to my TestObject class it works.  My icon - defined in the
factory_type_information - is also not displaying without me
explicitly making it available.  

Where is the black magic happening?  Who has the kung-foo powers?


From lists@net-labs.de  Tue Jul 10 09:15:37 2001
From: lists@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:15:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Documenting DCWorkflow, an idea
References: <994742195.5363.4.camel@locutus.libc.org> <3B4AA37D.5A3CF53D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c10918$7fe9ac10$3300000a@work01>

For my understanding I made a state-machine-diagramm that shows the 
states and transitions of a default_workflow which is availiable 
(after a reviewer published it) under: 

http://cmf.zope.org/Members/jack-e/WorkflowDesign/CMFWorkflow


Every Object is in its "own" workflow form creation-time. the state
of an object defines what transitions can be made from there
(e.g. object is visible now you can hide or submit ...)
Every transition defines the state of the object after transit and
can limit its execution to special roles or dependent on a script that 
makes some checks (guard .. see Phillips answer to "a better workflow" 
in the mailinglist). within the workflow you can use your Variables
to store information that is not directly stored in the object but
needed for the work(flow). at last you can query the portal catalog
in a neat way by using the worklists to get objects of a certain
state to build the "joblists" for the responsible people ..

and a snippet i found in the archive:
---
[seb]
Whichever you use, the underlying concept is of a state machine, where
a transition between states results in changing the permissions on an 
object.  In the DefaultWorkflow the states are private, public, and
pending.  The transitions are retract, publish, and submit.  If you
look at updateMappingsFor in DefaultWorkflow, you'll see that
permissions get set dependent on state, following a transition.

The starting point in designing a workflow should be to write a state
machine diagram.  There's more pointers in the DCWorkflow docs.
---

thats how i understood it so far

hope this helps



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue Jul 10 09:20:25 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:20:25 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: your LiveEvent thingy
In-Reply-To: <004a01c10917$d9dc5d40$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
References: <00eb01c108a0$a0bc5050$0a01a8c0@stravinsky> <01070920244102.01529@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <004a01c10917$d9dc5d40$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
Message-ID: <01071010202500.08541@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hi again Robert

I didn't mean lifeevent but live event :-)

It's an event that runs ... live :-)

We here at Mmmanager.org is creating an online streaming community builded in 
CMF. Here you can present live and on-demand streams of various formats. So 
that's why we have modified the existing Event class and created a live 
event. You can use this to various things: Conferences, schools, tv stations 
etc. etc. So yes - you could use this for your conference.
But as I wrote - the live event product wouldn't be worth much without the 
rest of our media product.

Please have a look at 
http://www.mmmanager.org/Members/BitchBabe/article_collection/BLARKENTRY_277531942_994678301/document_view

It's a usecase about online reality tv-shows.

Soon we will be able to also "stream" things such as power point 
presentations :-)


About interactivity - we are looking for a chat. Anybody out there with a 
little helt on this ? 

Regards,
Gitte Wange

On Tuesday 10 July 2001 10:10, you wrote:
> Hi Gitte,
> thanks for your super quick answer. I had to run yesterday so I answer only
> now.
>
> I do not really understand the meaning of "lifeevent"
> Is ist an interactiv meeting?
>
> An other question(not really related).
> A customer of ours (a medical doctor and professor of this trade) does lots
> of training for his colleagues. What he would like is to convert the many
> powerpoint presentations he has into lessons on his site.
> How would I do that best?
>
> Tanks for all your efforts
> Robert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gitte Wange" <gitte@mmmanager.org>
> To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:24 PM
> Subject: Re: your LiveEvent thingy
>
> > On Monday 09 July 2001 19:56, you wrote:
> > > Hi Gitte,
> > >
> > > I am about to create a site for a conference.
> > > I alredy started to work with your "enhanced" event. Now I wonder what
>
> that
>
> > > live event is you where mentioning?
> > >
> > > Robert
> >
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > Well right now that portal type is only placed at our portal.
> > Would you like it as a product ???
> >
> > It isn't much use without the rest of My Media Manager - it is used for
>
> live
>
> > streams.
> >
> > Please write back to tell if I should release it.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Gitte Wange Jensen
> >
> > Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
> > MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark
> >
> > Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
> > Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
> > Web: www.mmmanager.org
> >
> > Quote of the day:
> > And in the end, reality always tends to hit theory hard in the face
> > when you least expect it.
> > - Linus Torvalds


From erik@thingamy.net  Tue Jul 10 09:25:26 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 10:25:26 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Documenting DCWorkflow, an idea
In-Reply-To: <001e01c10918$7fe9ac10$3300000a@work01>
References: <994742195.5363.4.camel@locutus.libc.org>
 <3B4AA37D.5A3CF53D@nipltd.com> <001e01c10918$7fe9ac10$3300000a@work01>
Message-ID: <87n16dxkax.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Ulrich Eck]

| http://cmf.zope.org/Members/jack-e/WorkflowDesign/CMFWorkflow

I can't access this one; logged in or not logged in.


From james@codenamefuture.nl  Tue Jul 10 09:36:17 2001
From: james@codenamefuture.nl (James van der Veen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:36:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Checking if...
Message-ID: <11204746D436D411A6F90004AC5396110D8473@EXCHSRVR1>

Hi all,

I have been trying to find this out on my own but I=B4m affraid I will =
need
your help (again).

I have a folder called generic and a folder custom.

like this

portal_skins----
                =A6--- custom
                =A6--- generic

Well now I have the action box. And I added a action to create a new
stylesheet_properties (in custom) called change colors.

Now this action either links to the stylesheet_properties of generic =
and
they will click a buton to copy the method to the custom folder.
But the next time they log in they might want to change the colors (the
stylesheet_properties) again. But if I send them to the generic folder =
again
and the click the copy button they will get a error telling them the
stylesheet_properties  allready exists in the custom folder.

So now my question:
 How can I make the link change depending on if there already exists a
stylesheet_properties in custom=20
(URL/custom/stylesheet_properties)and if not like them to the
stylesheet_properties of generic(URL/generic/stylesheet_properties)

Hope my explanation was clear.


Thankz,
James


From lists@net-labs.de  Tue Jul 10 09:31:13 2001
From: lists@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:31:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Documenting DCWorkflow, an idea
References: <994742195.5363.4.camel@locutus.libc.org><3B4AA37D.5A3CF53D@nipltd.com> <001e01c10918$7fe9ac10$3300000a@work01> <87n16dxkax.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <004301c1091a$ae18dff0$3300000a@work01>

> [Ulrich Eck]
> 
> | http://cmf.zope.org/Members/jack-e/WorkflowDesign/CMFWorkflow
> 
> I can't access this one; logged in or not logged in.
> 

yes .. like i said: after the reviewer has published it ..

in the meantime i put it on one of my servers to view:

http://www.net-labs.de/documentation/workflow/CMFWorkflowDiagramm.gif

cheers

Ulrich Eck



From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 10 10:26:19 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:26:19 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] TypesTool question
In-Reply-To: <3B4AAB77.DFAADEC8@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 08:15:03AM +0100
References: <3B4AAB77.DFAADEC8@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010710102618.H18193@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010710 08:18]:
> How come there's a call to isConstructionAllowed() in the
> ScriptableTypeInformation implementation of constructInstance but there isn't a
> call to isConstructionAllowed in the FactoryTypeInformation implementaion of
> constructInstance?

Did you notice that there _is_, however, a call to the same underlying
code, viz. _getFactoryMethod?  Looks like a case of unfinished
refactoring to me...

seb


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 09:53:46 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:53:46 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] invokeFactory query
Message-ID: <3B4AC29A.83EC504@nipltd.com>

Should invokeFactory require an id for the content being created?

Currently, I have to have a seperate method which duplicates invokeFactory but
passes id=None if it isn't supplied, as posting ids in Swishdot are autmatically
generated.

What do other people think?

cheers,

Chris


From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 10 10:31:00 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:31:00 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] To CMF or not to CMF
In-Reply-To: <994742862.5363.5.camel@locutus.libc.org>; from bill@libc.org on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:27:42PM -0600
References: <994724547.468.8.camel@basajaun> <994742862.5363.5.camel@locutus.libc.org>
Message-ID: <20010710103059.I18193@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Bill Anderson <bill@libc.org> [010710 06:38]:
> On 10 Jul 2001 02:22:27 +0200, Arkaitz wrote:
> ...
> > The site is for a Non-profit organization that is mid-sized. They want
> > to be able to publish all the information they have, which will change
> > over time, plus basic news and little more. This is not going to be a
> > "portal", with lots of members, etc. Just the minimum editors/members
> > that will write the content in STX. Our job is basically to provide a
> > design and the tools for them to publish the information. The site won't
> > be in English.
> > 
> > Now, the question is, is this kind of site well suited for the CMF? I
> > guess being in the list I am, the responses will be quite possitive ;-),
> > but I would appreciate any reasoned answer regarding our doubt. The CMF
> ...
> 
> In this case, I believe CMF is the right choice. here are some reasons:
> The functionality of the site *_WILL_* increase. they may want the simple 
> stuff now, but just you wait, it will not stay that way. I have yet to see 
> a site such as the one you describe stay that simple for long. CMF will make 
> it easy to add most things in the future, with an integrated 'look and feel'.

I'd just add that I agree, it _is_ the correct tool in most cases IMO,
but don't expect a 'silver bullet'.  There's still a fairly steep
learning curve, since if you want to do things in a pleasant way, you
have to get down and dirty with the source - there's not exactly a
wealth of documentation.  But basically, think of it as an enhanced
zope.  The only reason *not* to use it is if you're on a really right
schedule and you already know some other system like the back of your
hand.  However, if you've got a little space, you'll find the CMF well
worth the effort.

seb


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 10:02:44 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:02:44 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] TypesTool question
References: <3B4AAB77.DFAADEC8@nipltd.com> <20010710102618.H18193@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B4AC4B4.FA5640B3@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> Did you notice that there _is_, however, a call to the same underlying
> code, viz. _getFactoryMethod?  Looks like a case of unfinished
> refactoring to me...

Ah, okay :-)

cheers,

Chris

PS: Seb, you going to Berlin?


From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 10 10:42:50 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:42:50 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] invokeFactory query
In-Reply-To: <3B4AC29A.83EC504@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 09:53:46AM +0100
References: <3B4AC29A.83EC504@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010710104250.J18193@lenin.jamkit.com>

I think the current behaviour is probably OK for now.  Everyone's got
their own preferred system and we'd needs lots more input from
everyone before it got changed in the codebase.  For example, my opinion
which I've voiced before (and put in the Tracker) is that ids should,
in fact, get generated from Titles.  The problem with your
invokeFactory is that if a developer wants to enforce 'meaningful'
names on content, they'll have to replace your version.

IMO, until there's more of a discussion about the 'correct'
implementation, people like us who want something different should
just be replacing invokeFactory.  Personally, I'm subclassing
PortalFolder to extend the services offered by it anyway, so I just
override invokeFactory.  

seb

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010710 09:57]:
> Should invokeFactory require an id for the content being created?
> 
> Currently, I have to have a seperate method which duplicates invokeFactory but
> passes id=None if it isn't supplied, as posting ids in Swishdot are autmatically
> generated.
> 
> What do other people think?


From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 10 10:50:48 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:50:48 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] anonymous to submit content?
In-Reply-To: <005201c108ba$ea791e70$1701640a@pythonic>; from runyaga@thisbox.com on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 04:05:42PM -0500
References: <005201c108ba$ea791e70$1701640a@pythonic>
Message-ID: <20010710105046.L18193@lenin.jamkit.com>

> What is the 'way' of letting Anonymous Users to create Content Objects in
> the CMF?  I had an idea that seemingly could work well. and would be useable

<snip idea>

> am I missing something and has someone already conquered this?

You're missing something :-)

Have you tried going to the security tab of the portal and granting
'add portal content' permission (etc, etc) to Anonymous? 

seb


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 10:31:38 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:31:38 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] invokeFactory query
References: <3B4AC29A.83EC504@nipltd.com> <20010710104250.J18193@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B4ACB7A.1EBBC86B@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> I think the current behaviour is probably OK for now. 

Yeah, so do I, I changed my mind :-)

I now have a seperate skin method caleld addArticle:

## Script (Python) "addArticle"
##title=adds an article
##parameters=id=None

from DateTime import DateTime
now = DateTime()
(year,month,day,hour,minute,second,timezone)=now.parts()
second=int(second)

# find a place to store the article, create if necessary
c = container.portal_url.getPortalObject()
month = now.Month()
path=[`year`,month,`day`]

for segment in path:
    if not hasattr(c,segment):
        c.manage_addProduct['CMFDefault'].manage_addPortalFolder(segment)
    c = getattr(c,segment)

# generate an id, if necessary, maek sure it doesn't exist already
while id is None or hasattr(c,id):
    id = '%s.%s.%s' % (hour,minute,second)
    second = second + 1
    
return c.invokeFactory(type_name='Article',
id=id,RESPONSE=container.REQUEST.RESPONSE)

...which I like :-)

cheers,

Chris


From lists@net-labs.de  Tue Jul 10 10:31:53 2001
From: lists@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:31:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Duplicating NewsItem and custom CMF product.
References: <87sng613iv.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <00ad01c10923$27657370$3300000a@work01>

> I'm endavouring to grok CMF, but it's a struggle.  I've got it halfway
> pinned down now, but suddenly, in a weak moment of mine, it escaped!
> 
> First, I tried to make my own python CMF product; CMFTestProduct.
> This product provides the TestObject object and not much else.  I
> basically abused CMFCalendar beyond recognition.  Adding it is
> no problemo, but viewing is a different story.  I get:
> 
>  Error Type: Not Found
>  Error Value: Cannot find default view for "/cmf_site/Members/user1/test_object2"
> 
> What's the secret?

Did you provide the methods described in the factory_type_information in a
FilesystemDirectoryView within the portal_skins-tool and inserted your FDV
right after custom in the properties-tab of portal_skins??

> Second, I tried to mangle NewsItem.py in CMFDefault/.  I copied it to a
> file (in the same CMFDefault/ folder) named NewsItemErik.py.  Then I
> modified the skins, Portal.py and the content of NewsItemErik.py to
> reflect this change.  I created a new site and News Item Erik is now
> in the portal_types; great, nice, I like :).  I was kinda assuming to
> be able to see News Item Erik after clicking "New..." as a Member of
> the site, but uh-oh.  No-can-do.  After some sourcediving, I narrowed
> it down to this fellow:

You have do add a Type in the portal_types tool according to your Factory-info
(add Factory-based Type Information).

cheers

Ulrich Eck



From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 10 11:19:28 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:19:28 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] traversal barf in Opera
Message-ID: <20010710111927.M18193@lenin.jamkit.com>

I'm getting a KeyError occasionally when I look at my page in Opera,
but not in any other browsers:

Traceback (innermost last):

< snip >

  File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Let.py, line 146, in render
    (Object: rootpath=&quot;absolute_url()&quot;)
  File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 334, in eval
    (Object: absolute_url())
    (Info: absolute_url)
  File &lt;string&gt;, line 0, in ?
  File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/OFS/Traversable.py, line 119, in absolute_url
    (Object: Traversable)
KeyError: SERVER_URL

A reload usually gets rid of the problem.  Any ideas what's going on
here?  This is unlikely to be CMF-related, so perhaps I should copy
the query to zope-dev?

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 10 11:20:29 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:20:29 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] invokeFactory query
In-Reply-To: <3B4ACB7A.1EBBC86B@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:31:38AM +0100
References: <3B4AC29A.83EC504@nipltd.com> <20010710104250.J18193@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4ACB7A.1EBBC86B@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010710112028.N18193@lenin.jamkit.com>

nice.  You should post it to the dogbowl as a snippet.  Go on, you
know you want to... 

seb


* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010710 10:39]:
> seb bacon wrote:
> > 
> > I think the current behaviour is probably OK for now. 
> 
> Yeah, so do I, I changed my mind :-)
> 
> I now have a seperate skin method caleld addArticle


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 10:49:46 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:49:46 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope or CMF bug?
Message-ID: <3B4ACFBA.448EBFFE@nipltd.com>

My defautl view method didn't exist, so I got a weird error:

  File E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\PortalContent.py, line 220, in
_getDefaultView
    (Object: DynamicType)
  File E:\Zope\2379B4~1.2\lib\python\OFS\Traversable.py, line 223, in
restrictedTraverse
    (Object: DynamicType)
  File E:\Zope\2379B4~1.2\lib\python\OFS\Traversable.py, line 208, in
unrestrictedTraverse
    (Object: DynamicType)
AttributeError: __getitem__

Is this a Zope bug or a CMF bug?

I guess it's a Zope bug if whatever is looking for __getitem__ should handle the
case when its not there (I reckon this is the case ;-) and it'd be a CMF bug if
portal content should always supply a __getitem__ method...

what do other people think?

Chris


From erik@thingamy.net  Tue Jul 10 10:28:13 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 11:28:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Duplicating NewsItem and custom CMF product.
References: <87sng613iv.fsf@thingamy.net>
 <20010710101530.E18193@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <8766d1xhea.fsf@thingamy.net>

[seb bacon]

| Have you defined a 'view' action for the type?  Either put it as a
| mapping in the factory_type_information of your Type, or add it to
| the actions tab in the TypesTool ZMI.

I have.  Thanks to Ulrich for showing me how to add it to the
layers of the skins in the Properties-tab of the TypesTool.
 
| there are a few places you could look: the factory_type_info has a
| 'product' key which must correspond with your product module name,
| and a 'factory' key.

They're present.

I found out what my mistake was:

        contentConstructors = ( Document.addDocument
                                [...]
                                NewsItemErik.NewsItemErik
                              )

should've been

        contentConstructors = ( Document.addDocument
                                [...]
                                NewsItemErik.addNewsItemErik
                              )

Ugh.  I must be tired or something.


From yokemay@apdip.net  Tue Jul 10 10:58:53 2001
From: yokemay@apdip.net (Yoke May Seow)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:58:53 +0800
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Create Mailing List
Message-ID: <002101c10926$edcfa460$175ebbca@apdip.net>

hi,

Will you please tell what are the procedures to create a mailing list for
members to inform them on website updates?

thanks.

Rgds,
Yoke May




From erik@thingamy.net  Tue Jul 10 12:44:11 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 13:44:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] DCWorkflow; missing skins. (content_hide_form)
Message-ID: <87vgl1vwj8.fsf@thingamy.net>

Hi, guys.

I've been browsing the archives after I couldn't figure out what to
do/how to provide the content_hide_form after using the DCWorkFlow on
one of my content types.  It seems, from the comments in the archive
(zope-cmf-archive, that is) that these skins are accidentally left out
of the DCWorkFlow 0.2 release.  Is this the case?  If so, is there a
0.3 release comming our way with the missing skins, or should I create
my own?


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 12:53:30 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:53:30 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] DCWorkflow; missing skins. (content_hide_form)
References: <87vgl1vwj8.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <3B4AECBA.15A79A86@nipltd.com>

Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> of the DCWorkFlow 0.2 release.  Is this the case?  If so, is there a
> 0.3 release comming our way with the missing skins, or should I create
> my own?

Working from latest CVS checkouts is safest right now with the CMF...

cheers,

Chris


From erik@thingamy.net  Tue Jul 10 12:56:49 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 13:56:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] DCWorkflow; missing skins. (content_hide_form)
In-Reply-To: <3B4AECBA.15A79A86@nipltd.com>
References: <87vgl1vwj8.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B4AECBA.15A79A86@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <87pub9vvy6.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Chris Withers]

| Working from latest CVS checkouts is safest right now with the
| CMF...

Ok, and DCWorkflow is included in the CMF-something-something module?

By the way, do you know how/when a content type asks for what workflow
belongs to it and what it supposed to be able to do next?


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 13:03:27 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:03:27 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] DCWorkflow; missing skins. (content_hide_form)
References: <87vgl1vwj8.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B4AECBA.15A79A86@nipltd.com> <87pub9vvy6.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <3B4AEF0F.FF348CEC@nipltd.com>

Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> Ok, and DCWorkflow is included in the CMF-something-something module?

The CMF module contains all things CMF-ish...

> By the way, do you know how/when a content type asks for what workflow
> belongs to it and what it supposed to be able to do next?

Nope... but I have a feeling it happens the other way round...

cheers,

Chris


From erik@thingamy.net  Tue Jul 10 13:04:50 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 14:04:50 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] DCWorkflow; missing skins. (content_hide_form)
In-Reply-To: <3B4AEF0F.FF348CEC@nipltd.com>
References: <87vgl1vwj8.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B4AECBA.15A79A86@nipltd.com>
 <87pub9vvy6.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B4AEF0F.FF348CEC@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <87lmlxvvkt.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Chris Withers]

| Nope... but I have a feeling it happens the other way round...

Hm.  I feel some sourcediving-urges coming on... :)

I can't figure out how content and workflow is hooked together.
'review_state' for example; how is that related to a specific piece of
content.  *scuba-mode*


From erik@thingamy.net  Tue Jul 10 13:30:06 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 14:30:06 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] DCWorkflow; missing skins. (content_hide_form)
In-Reply-To: <87lmlxvvkt.fsf@thingamy.net>
References: <87vgl1vwj8.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B4AECBA.15A79A86@nipltd.com>
 <87pub9vvy6.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B4AEF0F.FF348CEC@nipltd.com>
 <87lmlxvvkt.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <87g0c5vuep.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Erik Enge]

| I can't figure out how content and workflow is hooked together.
| 'review_state' for example; how is that related to a specific piece
| of content.  *scuba-mode*

I figured it out, in case you were wondering.  :)

PortalContent.py's manage_afterAdd() does some jugling to find the
WorkflowTool and the workflow for that piece of content.  After that
we dance with notify*() methods of the Workflow and that seems to be
the story for how content and workflow stays in sync.


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 13:39:16 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:39:16 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Proxy Roles to Skin Methods
Message-ID: <3B4AF774.F792FB73@nipltd.com>

Hi,

I need to give a proxy role to FS-based skin methods. How do I do that?

cheers,

Chris


From fm@synchrologic.com  Tue Jul 10 14:03:51 2001
From: fm@synchrologic.com (Frank McGeough)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:03:51 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] To CMF or not to CMF
References: <994724547.468.8.camel@basajaun> <994742862.5363.5.camel@locutus.libc.org>
Message-ID: <038301c10940$c43fb170$c7010a0a@mcgeough>

Just a little comment. The pre-built writers interface provided by CMF is
worthless for people who are not programmers. My experience is that it
confuses the heck out of them. The best you can say is that it works, not
that it's useful for non-programmer types. Because it works it's easier to
modify then trying to do the whole thing yourself. I am busy providing a
custom interface to add news and events for a site I'm developing using CMF.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Anderson" <bill@libc.org>
To: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] To CMF or not to CMF

> With the CMF, you will get the good stuff up front, news, pre-built
content-writer's
> interface, preset permissions (review, etc.), and then, later when the
feature creep
> sets in, there is/will be more easily waiting.




From ueck@net-labs.de  Tue Jul 10 14:16:33 2001
From: ueck@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:16:33 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] DCWorkflow; missing skins. (content_hide_form)
References: <87vgl1vwj8.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B4AECBA.15A79A86@nipltd.com><87pub9vvy6.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B4AEF0F.FF348CEC@nipltd.com><87lmlxvvkt.fsf@thingamy.net> <87g0c5vuep.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <01bb01c10942$8a3e1320$3300000a@work01>

> 
> I figured it out, in case you were wondering.  :)
> 
> PortalContent.py's manage_afterAdd() does some jugling to find the
> WorkflowTool and the workflow for that piece of content.  After that
> we dance with notify*() methods of the Workflow and that seems to be
> the story for how content and workflow stays in sync.
> 

yep thats the way i got it ..





From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 10 15:02:39 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:02:39 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] DCWorkflow; missing skins. (content_hide_form)
In-Reply-To: <87g0c5vuep.fsf@thingamy.net>; from erik@thingamy.net on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:30:06PM +0200
References: <87vgl1vwj8.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B4AECBA.15A79A86@nipltd.com> <87pub9vvy6.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B4AEF0F.FF348CEC@nipltd.com> <87lmlxvvkt.fsf@thingamy.net> <87g0c5vuep.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <20010710150238.Q18193@lenin.jamkit.com>

A bit more info to add which may be useful...

the 'review_state' is just a catalog index.

the WorkflowTool has a property, _chains_by_type, which you can use to
'chain' workflows together for a particular content type, like:

 tool._chains_by_type['FooPage']=('default_workflow','bar_workflow')

(or of course you can put them in the ZMI version of the workflow
tool). the 'notify*()' methods are called on each of the workflows in
a chain, one by one. 

seb

* Erik Enge <erik@thingamy.net> [010710 13:34]:
> [Erik Enge]
> 
> | I can't figure out how content and workflow is hooked together.
> | 'review_state' for example; how is that related to a specific piece
> | of content.  *scuba-mode*
> 
> I figured it out, in case you were wondering.  :)
> 
> PortalContent.py's manage_afterAdd() does some jugling to find the
> WorkflowTool and the workflow for that piece of content.  After that
> we dance with notify*() methods of the Workflow and that seems to be
> the story for how content and workflow stays in sync.


From jeff@janix.com  Tue Jul 10 15:01:14 2001
From: jeff@janix.com (Jeff Sasmor)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:01:14 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFOptions 1.11 release
Message-ID: <00e501c10948$dae1f020$1a931340@NETKOOK>

CMF Options 1.11 is released. It includes
some bug fixes, (mostly minor), and upgrades the email notification feature
for the Blark Weblog.

 CMFOptions adds three new content objects to the  CMF: Images and Files
that are stored in the
 filesystem rather than in the ZODB, and a  Weblog type called Blark.

 Blark is a weblog, similar to Slashdot  or Squishdot, but tailored for the
CMF.

 You can see it work here:  http://www.netkook.com"

  Netkook's front page is a Blark weblog, customized TOTALLY through the
web.

DownLoad!

 You can see it's info pages and download it here:

 http://www.zope.org/Members/jeffsasmor/CMFOptions"

This product has been tested with Zope 2.3.2 and 2.3.3. CMF 1.1 is REQUIRED.
CVS-up versions will not be supported for a while - I need a rest!


Jeff Sasmor
jeff@sasmor.com
www.netkook.com is an "open Zope CMF site"



From shane@digicool.com  Tue Jul 10 15:09:50 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:09:50 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] invokeFactory query
References: <3B4AC29A.83EC504@nipltd.com> <20010710104250.J18193@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4ACB7A.1EBBC86B@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B4B0CAE.86970623@digicool.com>

Chris Withers wrote:
> 
> seb bacon wrote:
> >
> > I think the current behaviour is probably OK for now.
> 
> Yeah, so do I, I changed my mind :-)
> 
> I now have a seperate skin method caleld addArticle:

Yes, this is the right way to go!  Requiring users to enter the ID is
just a presentation detail and is meant to be changed as needed.  There
are several strategies lurking:

- Make the user enter an ID.  Great for programmers and others who
fiddle with the URL bar directly. :-)

- Generate the ID from a title.  This is good and bad--there are fewer
restrictions on what you can type, but it still doesn't eliminate the
need to come up with a unique, descriptive name for a document before
the document is written.

- Generate the ID from the date and time.  Zero effort for users and
perfect for documents that don't change over time.

- Generate the ID and force the document to start its life in the
member's home directory.  Force the user to enter a good ID at some
point before allowing a workflow transition that moves the document to a
public area.  For many sites, I think this strategy will work best. 
It's just like using "File | New", writing the document, then selecting
"File | Save As...".

Note that you can select any of the above strategies just by changing
skins and configuring workflow.

Shane


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 15:17:40 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:17:40 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] invokeFactory query
References: <3B4AC29A.83EC504@nipltd.com> <20010710104250.J18193@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4ACB7A.1EBBC86B@nipltd.com> <3B4B0CAE.86970623@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B4B0E84.7D6198AB@nipltd.com>

Well, I've got a lot of mileage out of having the id computed from the Title.
It's a no-brainer for users, you get meaningful URLs (quite important, IMNSHO),
and you have to make your documents uniquely identifiable. This last bit is a
distinct plus point for me ;-)

Shane Hathaway wrote:
> 
> - Generate the ID and force the document to start its life in the
> member's home directory.  Force the user to enter a good ID at some
> point before allowing a workflow transition that moves the document to a
> public area.  For many sites, I think this strategy will work best.
> It's just like using "File | New", writing the document, then selecting
> "File | Save As...".

Keeping this metaphor going, wouldn't it be great if there was a 'temporary
storage' area (C:\temp ;-) that used ChrisM's RAM-based, non-versioning storage
to keep this stuff in...

cheers,

Chris (now panicking to get ready for Berlin...)


From erik@thingamy.net  Tue Jul 10 15:26:10 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 16:26:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] invokeFactory query
In-Reply-To: <3B4B0E84.7D6198AB@nipltd.com>
References: <3B4AC29A.83EC504@nipltd.com>
 <20010710104250.J18193@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4ACB7A.1EBBC86B@nipltd.com>
 <3B4B0CAE.86970623@digicool.com> <3B4B0E84.7D6198AB@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <87ofqsvp19.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Chris Withers]

| Well, I've got a lot of mileage out of having the id computed from
| the Title.  It's a no-brainer for users, you get meaningful URLs
| (quite important, IMNSHO),

Can I ask why it's important?

The way I see it: users don't care about the URI.  If they want
something useful that resembles it they could use a breadcrumb-thingy.
I'd love to be mistaken, naturally :)


From shane@digicool.com  Tue Jul 10 15:31:31 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:31:31 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Documenting DCWorkflow, an idea
References: <994742195.5363.4.camel@locutus.libc.org>
Message-ID: <3B4B11C3.E8ABC722@digicool.com>

Bill Anderson wrote:
> 
> I've been thinking about playing with teh DCWorkflow beta (alpha?).
> it occurs to me a nice way of documenting it for we the current users of
> CMF, is a how-to that build the same functionality as the default. that
> way, the examples can be compared with known behaviours, providing much
> less need for explanation.

Good idea!  (Using time machine)  Done!  :-)

Using DCWorkflow from CVS (since it's still pre-1.0, CVS is really the
only way to go anyway :-) ) visit a portal_workflow and add a
'Web-configurable workflow [default]' instance.  It's a
near-reincarnation of the default workflow.  There are only a couple of
changes.

On a related note, I'd like to "pre-announce" the workflow project
wiki.  Amos is writing some great docs.

http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Workflow/FrontPage

Shane


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 15:40:10 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:40:10 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Meaningful URLs
References: <3B4AC29A.83EC504@nipltd.com>
 <20010710104250.J18193@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4ACB7A.1EBBC86B@nipltd.com>
 <3B4B0CAE.86970623@digicool.com> <3B4B0E84.7D6198AB@nipltd.com> <87ofqsvp19.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <3B4B13CA.F01A705F@nipltd.com>

Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> [Chris Withers]
> 
> | Well, I've got a lot of mileage out of having the id computed from
> | the Title.  It's a no-brainer for users, you get meaningful URLs
> | (quite important, IMNSHO),
> 
> Can I ask why it's important?

I think this was in one of the original Zope presentations that Jim Fulton gave.
Which gives more information:

http://www.swishdot.org/2001/July/10/microsoftsucks/notheydont/wellithinktheydo

http://www.squishdot.org/98881212/98881213/98881215

> The way I see it: users don't care about the URI.  If they want
> something useful that resembles it they could use a breadcrumb-thingy.
> I'd love to be mistaken, naturally :)

Well, my opinion is that users don't consciously care about the URL. However,
ask Jon Udell, the more context you can get for the least effort, the easier
people will find the system to use.

URLs are the first port of call, so it makes good sense for them to be easily
understandable...

cheers,

Chris


From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 10 16:35:38 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:35:38 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] invokeFactory query
In-Reply-To: <3B4B0E84.7D6198AB@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 03:17:40PM +0100
References: <3B4AC29A.83EC504@nipltd.com> <20010710104250.J18193@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4ACB7A.1EBBC86B@nipltd.com> <3B4B0CAE.86970623@digicool.com> <3B4B0E84.7D6198AB@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010710163538.U18193@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010710 15:20]:
> Well, I've got a lot of mileage out of having the id computed from the Title.
> It's a no-brainer for users, you get meaningful URLs (quite important, IMNSHO),
> and you have to make your documents uniquely identifiable. This last bit is a
> distinct plus point for me ;-)

Time for my customary emphatic agreement re. Titles :-)

Users have to make unique names for things in everyday practice
anyway.  They certainly don't need to know about strange rules
regarding allowed punctuation.  I'd love to see the Zope ID rules
hidden somehow in the default CMF implementation.  They're so ugly and
user-unfriendly.  

> > - Generate the ID and force the document to start its life in the
> > member's home directory.  Force the user to enter a good ID at some
> > point before allowing a workflow transition that moves the document to a
> > public area.  For many sites, I think this strategy will work best.
> > It's just like using "File | New", writing the document, then selecting
> > "File | Save As...".

I like this, but one problem with it is the UntitledDocumentN syndrome
- lazy users often don't get round to naming things nicely.

seb


From norton@alum.mit.edu  Tue Jul 10 16:25:30 2001
From: norton@alum.mit.edu (Joseph Wayne Norton)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:25:30 +0900
Subject: [Zope-CMF] invokeFactory query
In-Reply-To: <3B4B0CAE.86970623@digicool.com>
References: <3B4AC29A.83EC504@nipltd.com>
 <20010710104250.J18193@lenin.jamkit.com>
 <3B4ACB7A.1EBBC86B@nipltd.com>
 <3B4B0CAE.86970623@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <87n16c4xhx.wl@namaste.tokyo.att.ne.jp>

Shane -

Relating to id generation ...

I made a small change to the factory method in my checked out version
of CMF.  This change allows the "add" method for a "CMF Type" to
optionally compute the id if the id passed is None or ''. I'm also
re-using a portion of the code used to generate session ids in the
CoreSessionTracking product for id generation.

- joe n

=================================================================== 
RCS file: /cvs-repository/CMF/CMFCore/TypesTool.py,v 
retrieving revision 1.17 
diff -r1.17 TypesTool.py 
476c476,478 
<             apply(m, (id,) + args, kw) 
--- 
>             mid = apply(m, (id,) + args, kw) 
>             if mid is not None: 
>                 id = mid 




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 16:35:58 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:35:58 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Event Notification
Message-ID: <3B4B20DE.A7FD4BCE@nipltd.com>

Hi,

The new discussion tool implementation I'm working on requires its
DiscussionNode objects to be notified whenever their associated objects are
modified so they can get hold of their new metadata in the same way.

How should I go about making this happen?

cheers,

Chris


From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 10 17:31:45 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:31:45 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Event Notification
In-Reply-To: <3B4B20DE.A7FD4BCE@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 04:35:58PM +0100
References: <3B4B20DE.A7FD4BCE@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010710173145.C18193@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010710 16:39]:
> Hi,
> 
> The new discussion tool implementation I'm working on requires its
> DiscussionNode objects to be notified whenever their associated objects are
> modified so they can get hold of their new metadata in the same way.
> 
> How should I go about making this happen?

Hmm, tricky to catch all circumstances.  Something like a combination
of the manage_after* hooks and a special DiscussionWorflow with a
notifySuccess method which does its thing?  Yuck, on second thoughts,
maybe not.  Don't have any bright ideas apart from that.  Good luck!

seb 


From arkaitz@euskalcom.net  Tue Jul 10 17:11:59 2001
From: arkaitz@euskalcom.net (Arkaitz Bitorika)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 18:11:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] STX in NewsItems
Message-ID: <994781520.469.13.camel@basajaun>

Hi,

Is it possible to use STX for the bodies of the News Items? The NewsItem
class uses 'html' as the format for the body. I've tried doing 
	
	<dtml-var CookedBody fmt=structured_text>

but this gives me a TypeError when rendering. 
Any hint?

cheers,
Arkaitz. 




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 17:04:01 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:04:01 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Event Notification
References: <3B4B20DE.A7FD4BCE@nipltd.com> <20010710173145.C18193@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B4B2771.CBF6EEC2@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> Hmm, tricky to catch all circumstances.  Something like a combination
> of the manage_after* hooks and a special DiscussionWorflow with a
> notifySuccess method which does its thing?  Yuck, on second thoughts,
> maybe not.  Don't have any bright ideas apart from that.  Good luck!

Idea off top of head:

How about, in _createDiscussionForContent doing something (evil?) like:

content._normal_edit = content.edit
content.edit = discussion_edit

where discussion_edit is defined as:

def discussion_edit(content,*args,**kw):
   result = apply(content._normal_edit,args,kw)
   # do metadata stuff here
   return result

Would that work?
Is it wise?

How would it break?

Chris


From arkbit@yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 17:22:15 2001
From: arkbit@yahoo.com (Arkaitz)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 18:22:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] STX in NewsItems
In-Reply-To: <994781520.469.13.camel@basajaun>
References: <994781520.469.13.camel@basajaun>
Message-ID: <994782135.468.14.camel@basajaun>

Sorry for replying to myself, the problem was that I was writing 
structured_text instead of structured-text.
	  ^                          ^
cheers,
Arkaitz. 

On 10 Jul 2001 18:11:59 +0200, Arkaitz Bitorika wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is it possible to use STX for the bodies of the News Items? The NewsItem
> class uses 'html' as the format for the body. I've tried doing 
> 	
> 	<dtml-var CookedBody fmt=structured_text>
> 
> but this gives me a TypeError when rendering. 
> Any hint?
> 
> cheers,
> Arkaitz. 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests




From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 10 17:57:08 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:57:08 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Event Notification
In-Reply-To: <3B4B2771.CBF6EEC2@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 05:04:01PM +0100
References: <3B4B20DE.A7FD4BCE@nipltd.com> <20010710173145.C18193@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4B2771.CBF6EEC2@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010710175708.D18193@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010710 17:06]:
> Idea off top of head:
> 
> How about, in _createDiscussionForContent doing something (evil?) like:
> 
> content._normal_edit = content.edit
> content.edit = discussion_edit
> 
> where discussion_edit is defined as:
> 
> def discussion_edit(content,*args,**kw):
>    result = apply(content._normal_edit,args,kw)
>    # do metadata stuff here
>    return result

Sounds OK to me.  If you're doing that, though, you might as well use
the notify* workflow methods and wrap every method you think is
relevant as a WorkflowMethod.  Apart from...there's a bug in the
DefaultWorkflow which needs fixing, so perhaps not the best idea in
Mad Panic situations.  Shane, do you have any idea when you folks are
going to have time to look at that Workflow bug?
 
> Would that work?

Don't see why not

> Is it wise?

Probably not but who cares ;-)

seb


From ueck@net-labs.de  Tue Jul 10 17:44:14 2001
From: ueck@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:44:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] I Patched CMF to use ZPatterns ..
Message-ID: <028b01c1095f$8daaab00$3300000a@work01>

Hi ZPatterns- and CMF-Fans,

after long thoughts i tried to combine the best of CMF and ZPatterns and the result is
astonishingly simple ..

I made all modifications in CMFCore and had to touch only 3 files on a few (5 or so)
places.

1. i subclassed PortalFolder directly from CustomizerFolder instead of OFS.Folder
2. i needed to modify skins_tool to coop with some ZPatterns magic
3. i subclassed PortalContent directly from DataSkin

it worked :))

now one can use the CMF as is, except the freedom of storage and the usefullnes of
Skinscript for certain Dataskins.

Is anyone interested in this patch ??

Does anyone see some major incompatiblities between ZPatterns and CMF .. I haven't compared
all attributes and methods of both .. so if anyone knows both and sees a potential problem .. 
please give me a note ..

I'm not shure however, what format this should be distributed .. for unix a CMF-ZPatterns-Patch
would probably be best .. other plattforms do not have this .. any comments ??

thanks for your audience

Ulrich Eck
net-labs



From iford@US.NET  Tue Jul 10 18:46:16 2001
From: iford@US.NET (Ian Ford)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:46:16 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Question about Events
Message-ID: <46A6138985C6DE478D28257DC769230F2118A0@usnet-ex01.USNET.CORP>

I am looking at adding a item just like Events but it would allow users
to enter timecard info and be stored just like Events. But my issues is
that I keep getting errors when trying to create a new timecard. I
pretty much barrowed the code from the Event.py for the structure of the
timecard but as of right now I am pulling all my hair trying to figure
out what is going on.

These are the errors I am getting:

Error Type: NameError Error Value: security  Troubleshooting Suggestions
This resource may be trying to reference a nonexistent object or
variable security.  The URL may be incorrect.  The parameters passed to
this resource may be incorrect.  A resource that this resource relies on
may be encountering an error.  For more detailed information about the
error, please refer to the HTML source for this page.  If the error
persists please contact the site maintainer. Thank you for your
patience. 	=09
Traceback (innermost last):
  File C:\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File C:\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 187, in publish
  File C:\Zope\lib\python\Zope\__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File C:\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 171, in publish
  File C:\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: invokeFactory)
  File C:\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112, in
call_object
    (Object: invokeFactory)
  File C:\Zope\lib\python\Products\CMFCore\PortalFolder.py, line 368, in
invokeFactory
    (Object: SkinsContainer)
  File C:\Zope\lib\python\Products\CMFCore\TypesTool.py, line 745, in
constructContent
    (Object: Traversable)
  File C:\Zope\lib\python\Products\CMFCore\TypesTool.py, line 476, in
constructInstance
    (Object: ElementWithAttributes)
  File C:\Zope\lib\python\Products\CMFTimeCard\TimeCard.py, line 74, in
addTimeCard
  File C:\Zope\lib\python\Products\CMFTimeCard\TimeCard.py, line 136, in
__init__
    (Object: DynamicType)
NameError: (see above)

if anyone has any ideas let me know. Thanks

Thank you,

Ian Ford
Web Development
Northwest Link / us.net
800.390.1270 x 128
425.451.1151 x 128



From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 10 19:38:49 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:38:49 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Question about Events
In-Reply-To: <46A6138985C6DE478D28257DC769230F2118A0@usnet-ex01.USNET.CORP>; from iford@US.NET on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:46:16AM -0700
References: <46A6138985C6DE478D28257DC769230F2118A0@usnet-ex01.USNET.CORP>
Message-ID: <20010710193848.D21871@lenin.jamkit.com>

Here's how to decode the traceback...

* Ian Ford <iford@US.NET> [010710 18:50]:
> Error Type: NameError 
> Error Value: security

<snip>

>   File C:\Zope\lib\python\Products\CMFTimeCard\TimeCard.py, line 136, in
> __init__
>     (Object: DynamicType)
> NameError: (see above)

Python can't find an object referenced on line 136 of TimeCard.py, in
the method called __init__, which is named 'security' (e.g. it
doesn't exist)

seb


From dieter@handshake.de  Tue Jul 10 19:07:28 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:07:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Checking if...
In-Reply-To: <11204746D436D411A6F90004AC5396110D8473@EXCHSRVR1>
References: <11204746D436D411A6F90004AC5396110D8473@EXCHSRVR1>
Message-ID: <15179.17504.426013.826502@lindm.dm>

James van der Veen writes:
 > ....
 > So now my question:
 >  How can I make the link change depending on if there already exists a
 > stylesheet_properties in custom 
 > (URL/custom/stylesheet_properties)and if not like them to the
 > stylesheet_properties of generic(URL/generic/stylesheet_properties)
The link goes to a Python script thats, whether "custom" has
the "stylesheet_properties" already. If not, it creates it first.
Then it modifies the object.

Checking is possible like this:

	 try:
	   style= context.custom['stylesheet_properties']
	   # it is already there
	 except KeyError:
	   # it is not yet there
	   ....


Dieter


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 18:49:22 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:49:22 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Default action
Message-ID: <008501c1098c$df5a19e0$b5020a0a@Lifebook>

If I traverse to:

http://cmf.zope.org/folder/mycontent

...what determines the method that gets called on mycontent to return a
result to the above?

cheers,

Chris



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 19:19:00 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:19:00 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] MetaType in TypeInformation objects
Message-ID: <008601c1098c$e0425700$b5020a0a@Lifebook>

Hi,

Is there any point (part from for causing confusion ;-) to the meta type box
in TypeInformation objects?

cheers,

Chris



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 10 22:10:35 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:10:35 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Secure filtering of content & workflow tool
Message-ID: <008701c1098c$e13e9150$b5020a0a@Lifebook>

Hi,

Just wondering why I could view content that hadn't been approved as an
anonymous user and then realised I'd taken the following chunk out of
standard_html_header:

<dtml-if "_.hasattr(this(),'isEffective') and not
isEffective( ZopeTime() )">
<dtml-unless "portal_membership.checkPermission('Request review',this())
           or portal_membership.checkPermission('Review portal
content',this())">
<dtml-var "RESPONSE.unauthorized()">
</dtml-unless>
</dtml-if>

I'm not using DCWorkflow yet but I thought the idea of a workflow tool was
to make this kind of permission check unnecessary?

...I just checked DefaultWorkflow in CMFDefault, and updateRoleMappingsFor
suggests that this content shouldn't be viewable, but it is!

Can anyone comment on this?

cheers,

Chris

(Oh yeah, also, is the Workflow tool going to handle all event notification,
etc? I asked about this w.r.t. the discussion tool earlier and Seb suggested
a workflow based solution. How feasible does that sound? If it's not, how
should I be doing it?)




From augusto@artlover.com  Wed Jul 11 00:20:51 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:20:51 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Portal Topics as items' metadata
Message-ID: <3B4B8DD3.446346B4@artlover.com>

How would you attach Portal Topics to standard items' metadata? 
I've been looking for a solution to the problem of automating a "related
content" box to every portal object, and Portal Topics seem to be the
answer.

By allowing every portal object (text, image, or multimedia content) to
trigger a keyword-based search to the whole portal archive, it looks
pretty possible to count on this type of box, not simply as a textarea
(as it was my first approach), but as a living thing. Just like high end
content management systems.

Would you please point me in the right direction to this purpose?

Thanks in advance,



Ausum



From erik@thingamy.net  Wed Jul 11 06:39:02 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 11 Jul 2001 07:39:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Default action
In-Reply-To: <008501c1098c$df5a19e0$b5020a0a@Lifebook>
References: <008501c1098c$df5a19e0$b5020a0a@Lifebook>
Message-ID: <87bsmst47d.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Chris Withers]

| ...what determines the method that gets called on mycontent to
| return a result to the above?

I thought __call__() was always called, because index_html is set to
None (and this is supposedly a hint to ZPublisher to use __call__).


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed Jul 11 07:18:42 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:18:42 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Default action
References: <008501c1098c$df5a19e0$b5020a0a@Lifebook> <87bsmst47d.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <003501c109d1$57d31270$a8fe7ad5@withers>

> [Chris Withers]
>
> | ...what determines the method that gets called on mycontent to
> | return a result to the above?
>
> I thought __call__() was always called, because index_html is set to
> None (and this is supposedly a hint to ZPublisher to use __call__).

I may be mistaken, but I think PortalContent has it's own __call__ which
finds the appropriate method to call and then calls that. I guess I should
take a look at the source ;-)

cheers,

Chris



From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul 11 09:39:20 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:39:20 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Portal Topics as items' metadata
In-Reply-To: <3B4B8DD3.446346B4@artlover.com>; from augusto@artlover.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 06:20:51PM -0500
References: <3B4B8DD3.446346B4@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <20010711093918.F21871@lenin.jamkit.com>

You don't really need to use topics in this case.  Topics are just
catalog queries with a UI.  You could simply iterate over an object's
subject field and do a catalog query with the results.  Note that
since subject is a keyword index, if you want to OR the query, you'll
need to concatenate the results of more than one query.  If you don't
know much about catalogs, have a look at the chapter about them in the
Book, then search the skins for 'portal_catalog' to see how it's done
there.  i'd probably put it in a python script.

seb

* Ausum <augusto@artlover.com> [010711 00:25]:
> How would you attach Portal Topics to standard items' metadata? 
> I've been looking for a solution to the problem of automating a "related
> content" box to every portal object, and Portal Topics seem to be the
> answer.
> 
> By allowing every portal object (text, image, or multimedia content) to
> trigger a keyword-based search to the whole portal archive, it looks
> pretty possible to count on this type of box, not simply as a textarea
> (as it was my first approach), but as a living thing. Just like high end
> content management systems.
> 
> Would you please point me in the right direction to this purpose?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> 
> Ausum


From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul 11 09:46:09 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:46:09 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Default action
In-Reply-To: <003501c109d1$57d31270$a8fe7ad5@withers>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 07:18:42AM +0100
References: <008501c1098c$df5a19e0$b5020a0a@Lifebook> <87bsmst47d.fsf@thingamy.net> <003501c109d1$57d31270$a8fe7ad5@withers>
Message-ID: <20010711094609.I21871@lenin.jamkit.com>

I presume you looked at the source, right?  

(short answer: it returns the first action from the actions list for
which the user has appropriate permissions)

seb

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010711 07:21]:
> > [Chris Withers]
> >
> > | ...what determines the method that gets called on mycontent to
> > | return a result to the above?
> >
> > I thought __call__() was always called, because index_html is set to
> > None (and this is supposedly a hint to ZPublisher to use __call__).
> 
> I may be mistaken, but I think PortalContent has it's own __call__ which
> finds the appropriate method to call and then calls that. I guess I should
> take a look at the source ;-)
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Chris


From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul 11 09:48:41 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:48:41 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] MetaType in TypeInformation objects
In-Reply-To: <008601c1098c$e0425700$b5020a0a@Lifebook>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 07:19:00PM +0100
References: <008601c1098c$e0425700$b5020a0a@Lifebook>
Message-ID: <20010711094841.J21871@lenin.jamkit.com>

I always wondered about that.  The whole type_name / meta_type disctinction
causes me a lot of confusion, since it seems that the object's type
name gets used like a meta_type most of the time.  

Can we be enlightened?  

seb

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010710 23:10]:
> Hi,
> 
> Is there any point (part from for causing confusion ;-) to the meta type box
> in TypeInformation objects?
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Chris


From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul 11 09:51:01 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:51:01 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] I Patched CMF to use ZPatterns ..
In-Reply-To: <028b01c1095f$8daaab00$3300000a@work01>; from ueck@net-labs.de on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 06:44:14PM +0200
References: <028b01c1095f$8daaab00$3300000a@work01>
Message-ID: <20010711095100.K21871@lenin.jamkit.com>

Hi

Has ZPatterns got more understandable in the last 9 months?  Is there
a decent introduction somewhere?  I'd love to find out more, but I
never quite 'got' it... :-)

seb

* Ulrich Eck <ueck@net-labs.de> [010710 17:48]:
> Hi ZPatterns- and CMF-Fans,
> 
> after long thoughts i tried to combine the best of CMF and ZPatterns and the result is
> astonishingly simple ..


From steve@spvi.com  Wed Jul 11 09:59:16 2001
From: steve@spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:59:16 -0500
Subject: [ZPatterns] Re: [Zope-CMF] I Patched CMF to use ZPatterns ..
References: <028b01c1095f$8daaab00$3300000a@work01> <20010711095100.K21871@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B4C1564.7B98E09D@spvi.com>

I can't vouch for their decency.. but I did put together some examples:

http://www.zope.org/Members/sspickle/DumbZPatternsExample

http://www.zope.org/Members/sspickle/SQLZPatternsExample1

http://www.zope.org/Members/sspickle/SQLZPatternsExample2

-steve

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Has ZPatterns got more understandable in the last 9 months?  Is there
> a decent introduction somewhere?  I'd love to find out more, but I
> never quite 'got' it... :-)
> 
> seb
> 
> * Ulrich Eck <ueck@net-labs.de> [010710 17:48]:
> > Hi ZPatterns- and CMF-Fans,
> >
> > after long thoughts i tried to combine the best of CMF and ZPatterns and the result is
> > astonishingly simple ..
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ZPatterns mailing list
> ZPatterns@eby-sarna.com
> http://www.eby-sarna.com/mailman/listinfo/zpatterns


From robert@redcor.ch  Wed Jul 11 12:18:49 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:18:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CVS down ??
Message-ID: <012401c109fb$429273e0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

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From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 11 12:05:31 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:05:31 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CVS down ??
References: <012401c109fb$429273e0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
Message-ID: <3B4C32FB.20108@palladion.com>

Robert Rottermann wrote:

> CVS seems to be down.


This just worked for me:

   cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.zope.org:/cvs-repository co CMF

Tres.
-- 
==============================================================================
Tres Seaver 
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http://www.zope.org



From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 11 12:18:13 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:18:13 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] MetaType in TypeInformation objects
References: <008601c1098c$e0425700$b5020a0a@Lifebook> <20010711094841.J21871@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B4C35F5.1070208@palladion.com>

seb bacon wrote:

> I always wondered about that.  The whole type_name / meta_type disctinction
> causes me a lot of confusion, since it seems that the object's type
> name gets used like a meta_type most of the time.  
> 
> Can we be enlightened?  


The metatype is there for times when we need to know the true metatype

(e.g., when building lists for the "Find" tab of the catalog;  when
filtering 'objectValues', etc.)

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org




From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul 11 13:34:17 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:34:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] MetaType in TypeInformation objects
In-Reply-To: <3B4C35F5.1070208@palladion.com>; from tseaver@palladion.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 07:18:13AM -0400
References: <008601c1098c$e0425700$b5020a0a@Lifebook> <20010711094841.J21871@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4C35F5.1070208@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <20010711133417.A24387@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com> [010711 12:47]:
> The metatype is there for times when we need to know the true metatype
> 
> (e.g., when building lists for the "Find" tab of the catalog;  when
> filtering 'objectValues', etc.)

Ok, so would it be bad to set the meta_type to the type name rather
than expose both in the UI?

seb


From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 11 12:36:34 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:36:34 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Secure filtering of content & workflow tool
References: <008701c1098c$e13e9150$b5020a0a@Lifebook>
Message-ID: <3B4C3A42.9030104@palladion.com>

Chris Withers wrote:


> Just wondering why I could view content that hadn't been approved as an
> anonymous user and then realised I'd taken the following chunk out of
> standard_html_header:
> 
> <dtml-if "_.hasattr(this(),'isEffective') and not
> isEffective( ZopeTime() )">
> <dtml-unless "portal_membership.checkPermission('Request review',this())
>            or portal_membership.checkPermission('Review portal
> content',this())">
> <dtml-var "RESPONSE.unauthorized()">
> </dtml-unless>
> </dtml-if>
> 
> I'm not using DCWorkflow yet but I thought the idea of a workflow tool was
> to make this kind of permission check unnecessary?


This check doesn't involve workflow state at all;  it enforces the
"effective range" of the content.  Only the owner and those with
'Review portal content' permission are supposed to be able to view
a piece of content outside of its effective range, regardless of the
workflow state.


> ...I just checked DefaultWorkflow in CMFDefault, and updateRoleMappingsFor
> suggests that this content shouldn't be viewable, but it is!


I can't reproduce this on a stock CMF site;  content which is private or
pending review can't be viewed by anonymous.


> 
> Can anyone comment on this?
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
> (Oh yeah, also, is the Workflow tool going to handle all event notification,
> etc? I asked about this w.r.t. the discussion tool earlier and Seb suggested
> a workflow based solution. How feasible does that sound? If it's not, how
> should I be doing it?)


The "event tool" proposal is a more general solution, likely to be 
implemented
for the next release of CMF:

  http://cmf.zope.org/rqmts/proposals/EventsTool

Tres.===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org





From robert@redcor.ch  Wed Jul 11 13:15:39 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:15:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CVS down ??
References: <012401c109fb$429273e0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky> <3B4C32FB.20108@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <013601c10a03$3309e270$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

on my windoze I get a timeout error, linux waits and waits ....
So I wonder where's the problem then.

Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tres Seaver" <tseaver@palladion.com>
To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
Cc: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CVS down ??


> Robert Rottermann wrote:
>
> > CVS seems to be down.
>
>
> This just worked for me:
>
>    cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.zope.org:/cvs-repository co CMF
>
> Tres.
> --
>
============================================================================
==
> Tres Seaver
> tseaver@digicool.com
> Digital Creations        "Zope Dealers"
> http://www.zope.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>



From arkbit@yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 13:35:20 2001
From: arkbit@yahoo.com (Arkaitz)
Date: 11 Jul 2001 14:35:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] To CMF or not to CMF
In-Reply-To: <994742862.5363.5.camel@locutus.libc.org>
References: <994724547.468.8.camel@basajaun>
 <994742862.5363.5.camel@locutus.libc.org>
Message-ID: <994854920.6252.1.camel@basajaun>

On 09 Jul 2001 23:27:42 -0600, Bill Anderson wrote:
> Another reason, is that through judicious use of the Scriptable Types interface
> in the types tool, you can easily, and I mean easily, make different types of
> standard documents, such as Article, review, howTo, etc. with little effort
> and easy searching.

Thanks for telling me about this! Isn't this something similar to
ZClasses but better ;-)? It seems to be really easy to create new types.

I have just a doubt, in the portal_types tool, there are two types of
objects that you can add, "Factory-based Type Information" and
"Scriptable Type Information". At first look, they seem to have the same
functionality, which is the difference between them?

cheers,
Arkaitz.


From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 11 14:23:42 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:23:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] MetaType in TypeInformation objects
In-Reply-To: <20010711133417.A24387@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107110921200.799-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, seb bacon wrote:

> * Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com> [010711 12:47]:
> > The metatype is there for times when we need to know the true metatype
> > 
> > (e.g., when building lists for the "Find" tab of the catalog;  when
> > filtering 'objectValues', etc.)
> 
> Ok, so would it be bad to set the meta_type to the type name rather
> than expose both in the UI?

Nope, because they aren't always the same.  Suppose I want to
create a new content type, "Press Release", which is actually
a CMFDefault.Document under the covers, but which has different
actions / skins / workflow / metdata policies, etc.  In this case,
the metatype would still be "Document", but the ID of the type
object would be "Press Release".

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 11 14:25:05 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:25:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CVS down ??
In-Reply-To: <013601c10a03$3309e270$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107110924140.799-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Robert Rottermann wrote:

> on my windoze I get a timeout error, linux waits and waits ....
> So I wonder where's the problem then.

I would guess that "net weather" is preventing you from connecting;
can you ping 'cvs.zope.org'?

Tres.
--
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed Jul 11 14:24:09 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:24:09 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] MetaType in TypeInformation objects
In-Reply-To: <3B4C35F5.1070208@palladion.com>
References: <008601c1098c$e0425700$b5020a0a@Lifebook> <20010711094841.J21871@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4C35F5.1070208@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <994857849.3b4c537988a68@webmail.nipltd.com>

Quoting Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com>:

> The metatype is there for times when we need to know the true metatype
> 
> (e.g., when building lists for the "Find" tab of the catalog;  when
> filtering 'objectValues', etc.)

Yeah, I kindof figured this after being bitten quite hard when I set the value 
in that box to something else and couldn't figure out why none of my content 
was showing up in Folder views :-S

Okay, I can understand why ScriptableTypeInfo objects needs this (even though 
it is a bit clunky...), but why can't FTI's just inspect the product they know 
they're going to use to create the object?

cheers,

Chris


From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 11 14:27:19 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:27:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] To CMF or not to CMF
In-Reply-To: <994854920.6252.1.camel@basajaun>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107110925200.799-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On 11 Jul 2001, Arkaitz wrote:

> On 09 Jul 2001 23:27:42 -0600, Bill Anderson wrote:

> > Another reason, is that through judicious use of the
> > Scriptable Types interface in the types tool, you can easily,
> > and I mean easily, make different types of standard
> > documents, such as Article, review, howTo, etc. with little
> > effort and easy searching.
> 
> Thanks for telling me about this! Isn't this something similar to
> ZClasses but better ;-)? It seems to be really easy to create new types.
> 
> I have just a doubt, in the portal_types tool, there are two types of
> objects that you can add, "Factory-based Type Information" and
> "Scriptable Type Information". At first look, they seem to have the same
> functionality, which is the difference between them?

See my "Taming the Wild Types Tool",
  http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/how_tos/taming_types_tool
for an explanation of the differences.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From erik@thingamy.net  Wed Jul 11 15:20:38 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 11 Jul 2001 16:20:38 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CVS down ??
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107110924140.799-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <871ynnsg21.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Tres Seaver]

| I would guess that "net weather" is preventing you from connecting;
| can you ping 'cvs.zope.org'?

I can ping, but I can't checkout, either.  I thought it was because of
the network I'm on, but maybe the problem is elsewhere...

erik@somewhere:~/development$ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.zope.org:/cvsroot co CMF
cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to cvs.zope.org(209.67.167.110):2401 failed: Connection timed out
erik@somewhere:~/development$ 


From robert@redcor.ch  Wed Jul 11 16:15:42 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:15:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CVS down ??
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107110924140.799-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <001001c10a1c$5a3a0b40$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

No, however if I log into a remote machine (which is on an other net)
everything works fine.
ja, the wonders of computing ..

RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tres Seaver" <tseaver@palladion.com>
To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
Cc: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CVS down ??


> On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Robert Rottermann wrote:
>
> > on my windoze I get a timeout error, linux waits and waits ....
> > So I wonder where's the problem then.
>
> I would guess that "net weather" is preventing you from connecting;
> can you ping 'cvs.zope.org'?
>
> Tres.
> --
> ===============================================================
> Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
> Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>



From arkaitz@euskalcom.net  Wed Jul 11 17:25:48 2001
From: arkaitz@euskalcom.net (Arkaitz Bitorika)
Date: 11 Jul 2001 18:25:48 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] disabling syndication
Message-ID: <994868751.6313.4.camel@basajaun>

Hi,

Even though I have disabled syndication in the portal_syndication tool,
the "Syndication" link keeps appearing in the action box all the time.
Is there a simple way of making that link "hide" until syndication is
enabled again?

Cheers,
Arkaitz.



From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 11 17:24:06 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:24:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CVS down ??
In-Reply-To: <871ynnsg21.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107111219240.799-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On 11 Jul 2001, Erik Enge wrote:

> [Tres Seaver]
> 
> | I would guess that "net weather" is preventing you from connecting;
> | can you ping 'cvs.zope.org'?
> 
> I can ping, but I can't checkout, either.  I thought it was because of
> the network I'm on, but maybe the problem is elsewhere...
> 
> erik@somewhere:~/development$ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.zope.org:/cvsroot co CMF

Minor quibble:  the last component of the '-d' argument should b
':cvs-repository', not ':cvsroot'.

> cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to cvs.zope.org(209.67.167.110):2401 failed: Connection timed out
> erik@somewhere:~/development$ 

Could be a firewall problem?  Perhaps the IP address of cvs.zope.org
has changed recently, and your firewall needs to be updated?

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From klm@digicool.com  Wed Jul 11 17:51:05 2001
From: klm@digicool.com (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:51:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope repository changing tomorrow, will affect CMF checkouts!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107111249140.26519-100000@serenade.digicool.com>

Hopefully most of you have seen the announcements to zope-announce about
the impeding reformulation of the public Zope repository.  This
reorganization is going to affect the CMF section of the repository
substantially, to the degree that you will have to do a new checkout of
the CMF to continue to track changes.

(This is because we are reforming the CMF section into a module, to
better integrate it with the overall repository organization.)

I'm sorry about the short notice on this specific point - in handling the
myriad details of the reorganization, i recognized this only lately.  To
all our benefit, i think this repository integration will be promote
better incorporation of the CMF with Zope.  The repository reorganization
is a major step on the road to enabling public checkin access at our
discretion - something i think will be good for Zope and CMF development,
in general.

See http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZopeCVSMigration/CurrentStatus
for current status of the CVS migration project.

Let me know if you have any questions or comments.

Ken Manheimer
klm@digicool.com



From andrew@digicool.com  Wed Jul 11 18:37:54 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:37:54 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] disabling syndication
In-Reply-To: <994868751.6313.4.camel@basajaun>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOEEPDCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

At this point no; this was desired, but there was no easy way to implement
this behavior at the time.
This will change soon hopefully.
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Arkaitz Bitorika
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 12:26 PM
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] disabling syndication
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Even though I have disabled syndication in the portal_syndication tool,
> the "Syndication" link keeps appearing in the action box all the time.
> Is there a simple way of making that link "hide" until syndication is
> enabled again?
>
> Cheers,
> Arkaitz.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From augusto@artlover.com  Wed Jul 11 19:52:39 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:52:39 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Dublin Core's Relation implementation was:(Portal Topics as items'
 metadata)
References: <3B4B8DD3.446346B4@artlover.com> <20010711093918.F21871@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B4CA077.1EEABA8F@artlover.com>

Just after posting my previous message I read more about this subject.
If I'm not wrong, it looks like DC's Relation element is still a work in
progress, and that a simple identifier (URL, URN, etc) is recommended
for this label, by the DCMI.

I think that within the context of the CMF, the Relation element, IMHO,
should be understood as one object's engine, and not just as a
collection of identifiers. Your idea, Seb, is good, but I think that
without the aid of artificial intelligence tools (which high-end CMSs do
have), every related resource must be found after an adjusted search, at
a per-object basis. As I see it (considering all the previous), a good
"related info" box should contain "stuck", previouly approved resources,
and "floating" resources as well. And all this seem to need a user
interface.

So the question still remains. How would you attach a Portal Topic to a
portal resource, as metadata?

Thanks again,


Ausum


seb bacon wrote:
> 
> You don't really need to use topics in this case.  Topics are just
> catalog queries with a UI.  You could simply iterate over an object's
> subject field and do a catalog query with the results.  Note that
> since subject is a keyword index, if you want to OR the query, you'll
> need to concatenate the results of more than one query.  If you don't
> know much about catalogs, have a look at the chapter about them in the
> Book, then search the skins for 'portal_catalog' to see how it's done
> there.  i'd probably put it in a python script.
> 
> seb
> 
> * Ausum <augusto@artlover.com> [010711 00:25]:
> > How would you attach Portal Topics to standard items' metadata?
> > I've been looking for a solution to the problem of automating a "related
> > content" box to every portal object, and Portal Topics seem to be the
> > answer.
> >
> > By allowing every portal object (text, image, or multimedia content) to
> > trigger a keyword-based search to the whole portal archive, it looks
> > pretty possible to count on this type of box, not simply as a textarea
> > (as it was my first approach), but as a living thing. Just like high end
> > content management systems.
> >
> > Would you please point me in the right direction to this purpose?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> >
> >
> > Ausum
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests


From iford@US.NET  Wed Jul 11 23:38:09 2001
From: iford@US.NET (Ian Ford)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:38:09 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Data not being stored
Message-ID: <46A6138985C6DE478D28257DC769230F40B5AE@usnet-ex01.USNET.CORP>

> I have a product that I am working on that works in the same manor as
> events but it stores members timecard information. I have reused most
> of the code from the CMFCalendar item. But what is now happing is that
> only 3 form fields are being stored and I really need all of them. I
> am not getting any sort of error so debugging is not that easy.
>=20
> the fields I am trying to store are as follows:
>=20
> date
> actual_hours_worked
> hours_worked
> scheduled_pto
> unscheduled_pto
> fmla_hours
> holiday_hours
> scheduled_hours
> total_hours
>=20
> The only ones that are being stored are actual_hours_worked , date,
> and hours_worked.
>=20
> I have checked to see if the form field names are different from those
> in the py scripts and they are not.
> If anyone has any ideas that could help I would it would be very
> appreciated.
>=20
> Thank you,
>=20
> Ian Ford
>=20


From bill@libc.org  Wed Jul 11 23:41:04 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 11 Jul 2001 16:41:04 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] To CMF or not to CMF
In-Reply-To: <038301c10940$c43fb170$c7010a0a@mcgeough>
References: <994724547.468.8.camel@basajaun>
 <994742862.5363.5.camel@locutus.libc.org>
 <038301c10940$c43fb170$c7010a0a@mcgeough>
Message-ID: <994891264.3585.0.camel@locutus.libc.org>

On 10 Jul 2001 09:03:51 -0400, Frank McGeough wrote:
> 
> Just a little comment. The pre-built writers interface provided by CMF is
> worthless for people who are not programmers. My experience is that it
> confuses the heck out of them. The best you can say is that it works, not
> that it's useful for non-programmer types. Because it works it's easier to

Uhh, sorry, but I have literally hundreds of people over here who are
not programmers, and find it very easy to use. I have people who are,
for the most part, computer illiterate, that love the interface for it's
simplicity. In fact, I frequently get comments on how it is easier than
their word processor, or other things they have used.  I have people
dropping their usage of FrontPage, because they find entering their text
in a field, and following some basic structuring rules that they use
anyway (such as empty lines separating paragraphs, and indentation for
section differentiation), easier, and faster than the editors they are
used to (except, of course, those that use gvim, where it gets even
easier with autindenting).

To say that because some of the people you know do not like the defalt
interface is one thing, but to extrapolate from there that is is
worthless to non-programmers is to ignore much evidence to the contrary.


Bill Anderson




From robert@redcor.ch  Thu Jul 12 07:29:59 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:29:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to save extra data with CMF-object
Message-ID: <002901c10a9c$137c6560$a9a4023e@karin>

Hi there,
what would be the best way to save extra data with a CMF object.
I would like to have my own type created with the portal_types tool. Next to
the standard metadata I would like to save some extra information.
Do I have to "misuse" one of the standard metadata fields I do not need, or
is there an other way to go.

thanks
Robert



From erik@thingamy.net  Thu Jul 12 08:14:31 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 12 Jul 2001 09:14:31 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Boring CMF Product.
Message-ID: <87lmlupqjs.fsf@thingamy.net>

Hi, CMFistas.

Is there a Boring Product with a Boring How-To out there?  If not,
should I write one - or is the API changing all the time, so my
efforts would be wasted?


From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul 12 09:29:58 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:29:58 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Data not being stored
In-Reply-To: <46A6138985C6DE478D28257DC769230F40B5AE@usnet-ex01.USNET.CORP>; from iford@US.NET on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 03:38:09PM -0700
References: <46A6138985C6DE478D28257DC769230F40B5AE@usnet-ex01.USNET.CORP>
Message-ID: <20010712092957.E24387@lenin.jamkit.com>

Things to check which catch me out most times:

- Have you specified all the fields as parameters at the top of the
  python script?

- Look out for rogue keyword arguments which overwrite the values
  you've specified

- Try removing the try clause from the pythonscript to see if there's
  any errors hanging around

- Failing that, use the debugger

http://www.zope.org/Members/klm/debuggingzope/#zserverdebugmode
http://www.zope.org/Wikis/klm/PDBTrack

seb


* Ian Ford <iford@US.NET> [010711 23:43]:
> > I have a product that I am working on that works in the same manor as
> > events but it stores members timecard information. I have reused most
> > of the code from the CMFCalendar item. But what is now happing is that
> > only 3 form fields are being stored and I really need all of them. I
> > am not getting any sort of error so debugging is not that easy.


From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul 12 09:54:48 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:54:48 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Dublin Core's Relation implementation was:(Portal Topics as items' metadata)
In-Reply-To: <3B4CA077.1EEABA8F@artlover.com>; from augusto@artlover.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 01:52:39PM -0500
References: <3B4B8DD3.446346B4@artlover.com> <20010711093918.F21871@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4CA077.1EEABA8F@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <20010712095447.F24387@lenin.jamkit.com>

Hi,

* Ausum <augusto@artlover.com> [010711 19:52]:
> Just after posting my previous message I read more about this subject.
> If I'm not wrong, it looks like DC's Relation element is still a work in
> progress, and that a simple identifier (URL, URN, etc) is recommended
> for this label, by the DCMI.
> 
> I think that within the context of the CMF, the Relation element, IMHO,
> should be understood as one object's engine, and not just as a
> collection of identifiers. 

Yes, I would have guessed that the best way of doing the Relation
element would be to dynamically generate it using something like ken's
OrganisationObjects[1], since URIs are liable to change. 

> Your idea, Seb, is good, but I think that
> without the aid of artificial intelligence tools (which high-end CMSs do
> have), every related resource must be found after an adjusted search, at
> a per-object basis. 

When you say 'artificial intelligence' are you referring to things
like Autonomy?  Autonomy make a big song and dance about their Dynamic 
Reasoning Engine, but really it's just a decent search engine with
automatic document retrieval and index discovery.  Ultimately, you're
always looking at an 'adjusted search' of some kind.  And as I
mentioned, a Topic *is* just a catalog search.

> As I see it (considering all the previous), a good
> "related info" box should contain "stuck", previouly approved resources,
> and "floating" resources as well. And all this seem to need a user
> interface.
> 
> So the question still remains. How would you attach a Portal Topic to a
> portal resource, as metadata?

If I understand you correctly, you want to be able to have a list
which is made up both of dynamically retrieved, query-based data, and
a manually updated list.  Topics won't give you this, since they are
basically catalog queries, and that's it.

In order to add static references to objects which are liable to move
at any point, you'll need to implement some kind of reference
storage.  This could be a catalog which indexes objects by a unique
identifier, or something more sophisticated which plays with the
not-yet-developed EventsTool.  Or wait for an OrganisationObjects
implementation ;-)

For the query part, you could add a Topic to the
DefaultDublinCoreImpl, and move the elements of its interface over
into the metadata_edit_form.  You'd add a couple of get and set
methods, the get method returning the results of the topic's catalog
query.  I can't think of a simple way of doing it off the top of my
head.  I'd be tempted to ignore Topics and write my own version.
Hopefully someone else will have a better idea :-)

seb

[1] http://cmf.zope.org/rqmts/proposals/OrganizationObjects


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Thu Jul 12 09:57:59 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:57:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Boring CMF Product.
In-Reply-To: <87lmlupqjs.fsf@thingamy.net>
References: <87lmlupqjs.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <01071210580000.02799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Thursday 12 July 2001 09:14, Erik Enge wrote:
> Hi, CMFistas.
>
> Is there a Boring Product with a Boring How-To out there?  If not,
> should I write one - or is the API changing all the time, so my
> efforts would be wasted?
>

What do you mean by Boring Product ?
An "How to write a new CMF product" ???

Regards,

-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
I wrote code that works. I didn't test it, but the discussion is closed.
It might have syntactic problems, but it does work. Better than any
kernel extension ever would. End of story.

	- Linus Torvalds


From erik@thingamy.net  Thu Jul 12 10:19:42 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 12 Jul 2001 11:19:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Boring CMF Product.
In-Reply-To: <01071210580000.02799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <87lmlupqjs.fsf@thingamy.net>
 <01071210580000.02799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <87g0c2pkr5.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Gitte Wange]

| What do you mean by Boring Product ?  An "How to write a new CMF
| product" ???

Yes.  That explains the API in examples.


From yokemay@apdip.net  Thu Jul 12 11:08:38 2001
From: yokemay@apdip.net (Yoke May Seow)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:08:38 +0800
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Advanced Search not working
Message-ID: <003401c10aba$9f86f020$175ebbca@apdip.net>

Hi,

I was wanted to search an item from the Advanced search (i.e. search_form).
The item is already published on the site. I entered the full text and for
the review state, i selected Published. The search results found 0 result.

When I entered the full text without other criterias, I found 1 result.

What could be the problem? Please enlighten me.

Regards,
SEOW Yoke May
Webmaster @ www.apdip.net
Email: yokemay@apdip.net
Tel: +603-2559122 ext. 2206
Fax: +603-2539740
Mobile: +6016-2837395
ICQ: 321345




From Eric.Criens@bece.nl  Thu Jul 12 12:50:58 2001
From: Eric.Criens@bece.nl (Eric Criens)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:50:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Help please
Message-ID: <97942DE63451D511A9C40010B545875327C680@SERVER06>

Excuse my ignorance but I'm just beginning. Have Zope 2.3.3 installed
locally on my laptop NT and asked my IT dept. to install CMF and CMF Demo.
They told me it was for Linux but I couldn't find anything about this in the
documentation. Am I nuts or is my IT dept.?
Also is there any place were I can find sample web sites tht show how to use
Zope as a admin pages like RedDot Content Mangement System so that I can
learn from examples....
Thank you very much, 
regards, 
Eric Criens




From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jul 12 13:16:08 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:16:08 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] RE: Our CMF-CMS Demo
In-Reply-To: <v04010106b77056418133@mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHEEMNCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

> > If anyone wants to play with it, I've put a demo online here -
> > http://www.pricom.co.uk/southhumber

Just a quick note to say I'll be taking down this demo today, in order to
convert our site to CMF 1.1

Thanks very much to everyone who gave comments and feedback!

For those who asked about the code, we plan to open-source it soon. We're in
the process of setting up a project-site, mailing-list and so on.

Cheers, Jon



From erik@thingamy.net  Thu Jul 12 13:14:25 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 12 Jul 2001 14:14:25 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CVS down ??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107111219240.799-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107111219240.799-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <87u20iny3i.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Tres Seaver]

| Could be a firewall problem?

Yeah, looks like it.  Can't use Jabber, either.


From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul 12 14:11:32 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:11:32 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Help please
In-Reply-To: <97942DE63451D511A9C40010B545875327C680@SERVER06>; from Eric.Criens@bece.nl on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 01:50:58PM +0200
References: <97942DE63451D511A9C40010B545875327C680@SERVER06>
Message-ID: <20010712141131.I27543@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Eric Criens <Eric.Criens@bece.nl> [010712 12:56]:
> Excuse my ignorance but I'm just beginning. Have Zope 2.3.3 installed
> locally on my laptop NT and asked my IT dept. to install CMF and CMF Demo.
> They told me it was for Linux but I couldn't find anything about this in the
> documentation. Am I nuts or is my IT dept.?

They're nuts.  All of the CMF is python and therefore as platform
neutral as Zope.

> Also is there any place were I can find sample web sites tht show how to use
> Zope as a admin pages like RedDot Content Mangement System so that I can
> learn from examples....

Not really.  Look in the archives for CMS discussions.  The CMF is
more document-centered than template-centered.  There are a number of
proposals / vague ideas to remedy this but none are likely to surface
immediately.  I've never look at them but there are some Zope products
which purport to do this kind of thing, Projektor and MetaPublisher.

The canonical example of CMF usage comes with the CMF; it's the
CMFDefault site.  You'll find a little documentation at cmf.zope.org,
but for the rest you should search the list archives etc.

seb


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jul 12 14:23:53 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:23:53 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Java WYSIWYG editor
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHEEMOCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

via another list - http://www.hexidec.com/ekit.html

"Ekit is a program & applet that uses the Java 2 libraries to create an HTML
editor. The Ekit standalone also allows for HTML to be loaded and saved, as
well as serialized and saved as an RTF. It is currently a beta, though many
features work fine."

Any java gurus out there? :-)

Cheers, Jon



From jccooper@rice.edu  Thu Jul 12 14:45:31 2001
From: jccooper@rice.edu (J. Cameron Cooper)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:45:31 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Help please
References: <97942DE63451D511A9C40010B545875327C680@SERVER06> <20010712141131.I27543@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B4DA9FB.4080501@rice.edu>

>
>
>The canonical example of CMF usage comes with the CMF; it's the
>CMFDefault site.  You'll find a little documentation at cmf.zope.org,
>but for the rest you should search the list archives etc.
>
Is there a way to see the source to the dogbowl site? If not, there 
should be, and if there is, it should be more transparent. Maybe a "View 
DTML Source" like on Zope.org. Or read-only access to the ZMI.

            --jcc



From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul 12 16:49:38 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:49:38 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Java WYSIWYG editor
In-Reply-To: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHEEMOCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>; from jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 02:23:53PM +0100
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHEEMOCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20010712164937.J27543@lenin.jamkit.com>

A quick note: a problem with Java in applets is that really needs to
be 1.1 to ensure browser compatibility, AFAIK

seb

* Jon Edwards <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> [010712 14:27]:
> via another list - http://www.hexidec.com/ekit.html
> 
> "Ekit is a program & applet that uses the Java 2 libraries to create an HTML
> editor. The Ekit standalone also allows for HTML to be loaded and saved, as
> well as serialized and saved as an RTF. It is currently a beta, though many
> features work fine."
> 
> Any java gurus out there? :-)
> 
> Cheers, Jon


From shane@digicool.com  Thu Jul 12 19:17:23 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:17:23 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Java WYSIWYG editor
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHEEMOCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <20010712164937.J27543@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B4DE9B3.451654CF@digicool.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> A quick note: a problem with Java in applets is that really needs to
> be 1.1 to ensure browser compatibility, AFAIK

In fact the Ekit applet requires Swing, which hasn't been integrated
into Netscape's Java.  (Not sure about MSIE.)

However, the Ekit demo contains Javascript for using the Java plug-in...
and I must say, this applet looks very, very nice!  I suppose it just
uses Swing to do the fancy work (I haven't checked yet).  I'm running it
on Linux and there appears to be a problem with the control characters
like arrows and the "enter" key, but that can be dealt with.

I used to do Java (and Windows) exclusively.  Applets were fun except
when they crashed (and how they crashed!), so I didn't make many
applets.  But now that Java works on a more stable platform, there could
be some opportunity here!

Another thing I looked at yesterday is the possibility of using Plugger,
a Netscape plugin that lets you use shell commands as plugins.

Shane

> * Jon Edwards <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> [010712 14:27]:
> > via another list - http://www.hexidec.com/ekit.html
> >
> > "Ekit is a program & applet that uses the Java 2 libraries to create an HTML
> > editor. The Ekit standalone also allows for HTML to be loaded and saved, as
> > well as serialized and saved as an RTF. It is currently a beta, though many
> > features work fine."
> >
> > Any java gurus out there? :-)


From wilson@visi.com  Thu Jul 12 19:44:18 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:44:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Use of Topic on the Dogbowl
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107121341570.2920-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

I'm trying to understand CMF Topics and how they can be used. Would someone
comment on how they're used at cmf.zope.org?

Here's what I think is happening:

At http://cmf.zope.org/doc there's a list of Folders at the bottom of the
page listing some categories (e.g., Administrator Documentation). Does that
list of folders represent a set of Topics?

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      |   Visit Sibley online:   | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.org
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Thu Jul 12 17:55:28 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:55:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Help please
In-Reply-To: <3B4DA9FB.4080501@rice.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107121253320.883-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, J. Cameron Cooper wrote:

> >The canonical example of CMF usage comes with the CMF; it's the
> >CMFDefault site.  You'll find a little documentation at cmf.zope.org,
> >but for the rest you should search the list archives etc.
> >
> Is there a way to see the source to the dogbowl site? If not, there 
> should be, and if there is, it should be more transparent. Maybe a "View 
> DTML Source" like on Zope.org. Or read-only access to the ZMI.

The dogbowl is running mostly stock CMF 1.1.  We have added or
customized a few skin methods;  I just created a mini-annotation
of them at:

  http://cmf.zope.org/doc/admin/dogbowl_skins

The only non-standard content type on the dogbowl is the not-very-
successful UseCase;  We will probably be converting them to a
Document-derived type, anyway.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From tseaver@palladion.com  Thu Jul 12 18:48:43 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:48:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Use of Topic on the Dogbowl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107121341570.2920-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107121341580.883-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote:

> I'm trying to understand CMF Topics and how they can be used.
> Would someone comment on how they're used at cmf.zope.org?
> 
> Here's what I think is happening:
> 
> At http://cmf.zope.org/doc there's a list of Folders at the
> bottom of the page listing some categories (e.g., Administrator
> Documentation). Does that list of folders represent a set of
> Topics?

Nope, but it would be a Good Thing (tm) to add Topics to those
"real" folders, which exist to provide "canonical" locations for
documentation.

I'm afraid that the dogbowl's actual structure hasn't gotten a
lot of attention, recently;  Perhaps someone would like to
propose a "new and improved" structure?

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                               tseaver@palladion.com



From tseaver@palladion.com  Thu Jul 12 18:53:19 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:53:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Boring CMF Product.
In-Reply-To: <87lmlupqjs.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107121349350.883-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On 12 Jul 2001, Erik Enge wrote:

> Is there a Boring Product with a Boring How-To out there?  If not,
> should I write one - or is the API changing all the time, so my
> efforts would be wasted?

The CMFCalendar product is intended to be somewhat "didactic",
but a CMFBoring product and accompanying how-to would be welcome.
The contract for content objects has not changed significantly
since CMF 1.0;  the only big change to date is the addition of
an (optional) set of content-type-specific metadata policies.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From tseaver@palladion.com  Thu Jul 12 18:59:08 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:59:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Advanced Search not working
In-Reply-To: <003401c10aba$9f86f020$175ebbca@apdip.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107121356280.883-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Yoke May Seow wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I was wanted to search an item from the Advanced search (i.e. search_form).
> The item is already published on the site. I entered the full text and for
> the review state, i selected Published. The search results found 0 result.
> 
> When I entered the full text without other criterias, I found 1 result.
> 
> What could be the problem? Please enlighten me.

Hmmm, I can't reproduce this one;  are you certain that the document
you expect to find really is published?  Here is what I did:

 1. Created a document with "emergency" in its text.

 2. Published the document.

 3. Searched for the document using only "emergency" in the
    "Full Text" field, and found it.

 4. Searched for the document using "emergency" in the "Full Text"
    field, plus "Published" in the "Review Status" field;  found
    it there, too.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From khine@btinternet.com  Thu Jul 12 22:35:20 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:35:20 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] RE: [Zope] CMF Question
In-Reply-To: <000001c10b0e$1a31bf00$5100000a@jaime>
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOAEIFCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Nat,
You need to mail your questions to the zope-cmf mailing list. Also it will
help, to help you, if you are a bit more specific as to what is not
installing.

For the CMF to work, all you need to do is untar the zip file using winzip
this will create a number of directories that begin with CMF -- then move
these to your your-zope-dir/lib/python/Products, and then restart zope.

hth

norman

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Nat
Harari
Sent: 12 July 2001 21:06
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] CMF Question


I'm looking at the CMF right now on my machine. I run Windows 2000 Pro. It
isn't, for some reason, installing. The install notes are
all for linux commands (which I am not unfamiliar with, but it isn't what I
happen to be running).

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Newbie Nat. :)


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From tseaver@palladion.com  Thu Jul 12 21:18:10 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:18:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to save extra data with CMF-object
In-Reply-To: <002901c10a9c$137c6560$a9a4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107121538070.883-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Robert Rottermann wrote:

> Hi there,
> what would be the best way to save extra data with a CMF object.
> I would like to have my own type created with the portal_types tool. Next to
> the standard metadata I would like to save some extra information.
> Do I have to "misuse" one of the standard metadata fields I do not need, or
> is there an other way to go.

I was about to say "make a ZClass", when it occurred to me to
check something out::

  >>> import Zope
  >>> app = Zope.app()
  >>> doc = app.cmf.Members.tres.index_html
  >>> doc.manage_addProperty( 'foo', 'bar', 'string' )
  >>> doc.propertyMap()
  ({'id': 'title', 'mode': 'w', 'type': 'string'}, {'id': 'foo', 'type': 'string'})
  >>> doc.foo
  'bar'

AIYAH!

It turns out that CMFDefault.DefaultDublinCoreImpl derives
(for unknown reasons) from PropertyManager;  therefore, virtually
all content objects can have custom properties added to them!

As to whether this is a Good Thing (tm), I am of a divided mind.
I can't see any reason that DDCI *needs* to have such a base
class, but it does make "quick-and-dirty" custom schema simple.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul 13 00:53:28 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:53:28 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to save extra data with CMF-object
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107121538070.883-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <B773B0B7.30502%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com>
>
> 
> It turns out that CMFDefault.DefaultDublinCoreImpl derives
> (for unknown reasons) from PropertyManager;  therefore, virtually
> all content objects can have custom properties added to them!

Would that also mean they're automatically indexed in catalog too?



From bill@libc.org  Fri Jul 13 01:27:24 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 12 Jul 2001 18:27:24 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to save extra data with CMF-object
In-Reply-To: <B773B0B7.30502%marc@bowery.com>
References: <B773B0B7.30502%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <994984044.10778.1.camel@locutus.libc.org>

On 12 Jul 2001 19:53:28 -0400, marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> 
> > From: Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com>
> >
> > 
> > It turns out that CMFDefault.DefaultDublinCoreImpl derives
> > (for unknown reasons) from PropertyManager;  therefore, virtually
> > all content objects can have custom properties added to them!
> 
> Would that also mean they're automatically indexed in catalog too?
> 

No. not as far as I would guess. For soemthing to be indexed, the
catalog needs to know about it. If you added it to the catalog, then I
would hazard to say that it would participate in the cataloging. I
should ba able to report the veracity of said guess tonight (MST).

Bill





From yokemay@apdip.net  Fri Jul 13 04:15:53 2001
From: yokemay@apdip.net (Yoke May Seow)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:15:53 +0800
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Advanced Search not working - solved
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107121356280.883-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <001801c10b4a$21108220$175ebbca@apdip.net>

It wasn't working because I changed the option 'published' to 'Published'.
It is case-sensitive.

> I was wanted to search an item from the Advanced search (i.e.
search_form).
> The item is already published on the site. I entered the full text and for
> the review state, i selected Published. The search results found 0 result.
>
> When I entered the full text without other criterias, I found 1 result.

Regards,
SEOW Yoke May
Webmaster @ www.apdip.net
Email: yokemay@apdip.net
Mobile: +6016-2837395
ICQ: 321345



From wilson@visi.com  Fri Jul 13 04:21:12 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:21:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFTopics Q.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107121857220.463-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

I'm really having trouble wrapping my brain around CMFTopics. I understand
that they're canned ZCatalog searches. But it isn't at all clear to me how
to get them going on my site.

Here's a hypothetical (OK, it's not all that hypothetical :-)

I've got one large portal for the entire school district (who knows, maybe
I'll change my mind about that). Let's say I've got a few people submitting
news for different schools and other events. Let's say I've got a folder
'sibley' for Sibley High School and a subfolder called 'athletics' for our
Athletic Dept.

I'm assuming that using Topics will allow me to show Sibley news only when a
visitor is in that folder and sports news (for Sibley only) in
/sibley/athletics/

Have I got that right?

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      |   Visit Sibley online:   | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.org
W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
wilson@visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com




From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul 13 04:33:40 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:33:40 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFTopics Q.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107121857220.463-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <B773E454.30522%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com>
> 
> I'm assuming that using Topics will allow me to show Sibley news only when a
> visitor is in that folder and sports news (for Sibley only) in
> /sibley/athletics/
> 
> Have I got that right?

Because they're portal_catalog queries, they're independant of the
document's location.  So it'll show any document in the portal that matches
the criterion (sibley news).  The query itself (the Topic) is viewed only
where it is (in the folder).  So it could make it APPEAR that your sibley
news was all in the sibley folder, while it could be spread out (e.g. in
member's folders)



From wilson@visi.com  Fri Jul 13 05:02:44 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:02:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFTopics Q.
In-Reply-To: <B773E454.30522%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107122300140.9563-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, marc lindahl wrote:

> Because they're portal_catalog queries, they're independant of the
> document's location.  So it'll show any document in the portal that matches
> the criterion (sibley news).  The query itself (the Topic) is viewed only
> where it is (in the folder).  So it could make it APPEAR that your sibley
> news was all in the sibley folder, while it could be spread out (e.g. in
> member's folders)

Yes, I understand that the CMF is "me-centric." No problem there. I guess I
just have to figure out how to go about actually implementing the
Topics. How-to, where art thou? :-)

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      |   Visit Sibley online:   | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.org
W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
wilson@visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com



From wilson@visi.com  Fri Jul 13 05:55:18 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:55:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Entering "Subjects" (are those Topics?)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107122351400.9563-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hi everyone,

OK, I'm starting to get an idea of these Topics. (Please don't let that
dissuade anyone from writing a nice How-To. :-)

I've created a Topic object in the root of my CMF and put a sub-topic within
that. It would appear that the options listed in the "Subject" box when
adding content correspond to the various Topics. Is that correct? If so,
what do I have to do to start making item appear in the Subject selection
box?

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      |   Visit Sibley online:   | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.org
W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
wilson@visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com



From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 13 10:17:11 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:17:11 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to save extra data with CMF-object
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107121538070.883-100000@localhost.localdomain>; from tseaver@palladion.com on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 04:18:10PM -0400
References: <002901c10a9c$137c6560$a9a4023e@karin> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107121538070.883-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20010713101710.Q27543@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com> [010712 23:16]:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Robert Rottermann wrote:
> 
> > Do I have to "misuse" one of the standard metadata fields I do not need, or
> > is there an other way to go.

< snip >

> It turns out that CMFDefault.DefaultDublinCoreImpl derives
> (for unknown reasons) from PropertyManager;  therefore, virtually
> all content objects can have custom properties added to them!
> 
> As to whether this is a Good Thing (tm), I am of a divided mind.
> I can't see any reason that DDCI *needs* to have such a base
> class, but it does make "quick-and-dirty" custom schema simple.

What are the arguments for / against, in your mind?

I guess one Bad Thing is that the PropertyManager is not very
OOP-minded / NewReligionesque; however, to encapsulate it a bit
better, it wouldn't be very difficult to add getPropertyFor() and
setPropertyFor() methods to the PropertiesTool, perhaps?

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 13 10:20:48 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:20:48 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFTopics Q.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107122300140.9563-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 11:02:44PM -0500
References: <B773E454.30522%marc@bowery.com> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107122300140.9563-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010713102046.R27543@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010713 05:07]:
> > Because they're portal_catalog queries, they're independant of the
> > document's location.  So it'll show any document in the portal that matches
> > the criterion (sibley news).  The query itself (the Topic) is viewed only
> > where it is (in the folder).  So it could make it APPEAR that your sibley
> > news was all in the sibley folder, while it could be spread out (e.g. in
> > member's folders)
> 
> Yes, I understand that the CMF is "me-centric." No problem there. I guess I
> just have to figure out how to go about actually implementing the
> Topics. How-to, where art thou? :-)

It's pretty easy, you'll be glad to hear.  You just add a Topic like
any other content type, to any location.  Then if you visit it, you
get a 'customise' option in the actions box.  If you look at that,
you'll find a form which allows you to set criteria for the Topic.  

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 13 10:25:17 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:25:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Entering "Subjects" (are those Topics?)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107122351400.9563-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 11:55:18PM -0500
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107122351400.9563-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010713102515.S27543@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010713 06:00]:
> I've created a Topic object in the root of my CMF and put a sub-topic within
> that. It would appear that the options listed in the "Subject" box when
> adding content correspond to the various Topics. Is that correct? If so,
> what do I have to do to start making item appear in the Subject selection
> box?

No, the 'subject' items on the metadata edit form can either be one or
more freeform keywords, or you can predefine them using the
portal_metadata tool.  Depending on the strategy you want to follow,
you might want to edit the source of the metadata_edit_form (you'll
see some comments there regarding this).

The topics query against all the subject keywords in the catalog,
whether they have come directly from the person who uploaded the
content, or indirectly from the portal_metadata tool.

seb


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Fri Jul 13 10:48:37 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:48:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] File objects in skin folder
Message-ID: <01071311483705.02230@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I am about to "port" the skins for our new product from the ZMI into the 
Filesystem (so it will be easier to set up).

We have 2 File objects in our skin folder.
Can I simple just place the two .jar files in the skins folder and then Zope 
knows that it must create 2 File objects in the ZMI ... or os there another 
work around ?

Regards,

-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
[On some PCMCIA cardbus implementations] Who makes those
pieces of crap? And who buys them? I can understand it in
embedded stuff simply because the chips are simpler and smaller,
but in a laptop you should definitely try to avoid it.

	- Linus Torvalds


From yokemay@apdip.net  Fri Jul 13 11:02:51 2001
From: yokemay@apdip.net (Yoke May Seow)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:02:51 +0800
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Factory-based Type for List folder contents
Message-ID: <000001c10b82$fb76b780$175ebbca@apdip.net>

Hi,

I created a factory-based type information and selected the action, 'List
folder contents.'

How do I incorporate this into my CMF to display the contents of a folder,
i.e. Folder A to Folder E?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
SEOW Yoke May
Webmaster @ www.apdip.net
Email: yokemay@apdip.net
ICQ: 321345



From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 13 11:46:59 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:46:59 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] The Workflow Bug
Message-ID: <20010713114658.X27543@lenin.jamkit.com>

Hey DC Malcontents,

Just a quick query: do you think anyone's going to have a chance to
deal with the Workflow bug any time soon?  I just ask because if you
lot haven't got the time over the next few days I'll need to stick it
at the top of my list of Important Things To Do. 

If you don't have the time, if someone could have a look at it and
suggest what they *might* do if they *did* have the time, it'd be a
great help :-)

http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker/337/1

cheers,

seb


From mehmety@auslin.com.au  Fri Jul 13 11:35:34 2001
From: mehmety@auslin.com.au (Mehmet Yousouf)
Date: 13 Jul 2001 20:35:34 +1000
Subject: [Zope-CMF] cmf howto
Message-ID: <995020534.9108.1.camel@theo.home>

Hi,
I've just installed CMF and have it working (looks very impressive!),now
I want to start working out how to integrate the dtml methods I've been
using (and mainly access a MySql database).So,any suggestions on reading
material? 

Regards, Mehmet



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Fri Jul 13 11:43:22 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:43:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Stylesheet guide
Message-ID: <01071312432206.02230@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I am looking for a guide to the style sheets that CMF comes with.
I have seen the color guide - but that haven't got anything to to with font 
sizs etc...

The thing I want to change right now is the font size of the frontpage of my 
portal.
I have looked in the default_stylesheet file and tried to change the size of 
the p attribute. But that didn't help.

Anyone who can lead me in the right direction ??

Regards,

-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
[On some PCMCIA cardbus implementations] Who makes those
pieces of crap? And who buys them? I can understand it in
embedded stuff simply because the chips are simpler and smaller,
but in a laptop you should definitely try to avoid it.

	- Linus Torvalds


From tseaver@palladion.com  Fri Jul 13 12:35:38 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:35:38 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] File objects in skin folder
References: <01071311483705.02230@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <3B4EDD0A.9030505@palladion.com>

Gitte Wange wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am about to "port" the skins for our new product from the ZMI into the 
> Filesystem (so it will be easier to set up).
> 
> We have 2 File objects in our skin folder.
> Can I simple just place the two .jar files in the skins folder and then Zope 
> knows that it must create 2 File objects in the ZMI ... or os there another 
> work around ?


DirectoryView only creates subobjects for things it knows how to
handle.  Since we hadn't considered the need for "opaque" skin objects,
your ".jar" files won't be loaded.  You will need to create a
FSOpaqueFile class, derived from FSObject, and register it with the
'DirectoryView.registerFileExtension'.  I would look at FSImage for
the closest cognate to FSOpaqueFile.


Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From norman@khine.net  Fri Jul 13 13:10:03 2001
From: norman@khine.net (Norman Khine)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:10:03 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Member Groups for the CMF
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOIEBJCLAA.norman@khine.net>

Hello,
I would like to extend the cmf, so as to enable for a group of Members to
work on one specific Document, and would like some advice on how to set this
up.

The site basically is for a architectural design competition, that we carry
out each year, and I am hoping to be able to make this fully cmf'd so that:

1. Member joins the site, he then is presented of entering the competition.
I will create a new document_type eg competition where I will have nth
number of details, such as Title of Scheme, Category ( Currently there are
4, main categories ) and Design Statement.

I don't think that's much of a problem, my difficulty is in the fact that
there will be a number of members working on one particular scheme, all from
different backgrounds -- ie architects, landscape architects, stonemasons,
artists etc etc...

The outcome off all this colaboration should be a number of design pages
added individually by the members of the group, that will give other members
of the portal a detailed look of the proposed scheme -- these other members
are not part of this project.

Perhaps a sort of wiki page?!, on the cmf.

Main obsticle is how to define the groups -- I was thinking perhaps to let
the person who registered for the competion to become the group leader and
giving them the facility to add other members to this group, BUT if those
members are already members of portal, I can't see a way of how to do this.
ie a way to invite other members to the group, and allocating them write
privilages to the project?!?

I hope I am explaining this clearly, all suggestions will be much
appreciated.

Thanks

Norman








From jens@digicool.com  Fri Jul 13 13:31:11 2001
From: jens@digicool.com (Jens Vagelpohl)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:31:11 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Member Groups for the CMF
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOIEBJCLAA.norman@khine.net>
Message-ID: <20010713123159.5971F13962@kermit.dataflake.org>

norman,

you might be interested to know that one of the feature additions to the 
CMF on the "short list" is the ability of a folder owner to assign local 
roles to other users within that folder.

in your situation this could be used by the group leader (who should be 
the owner of the group's file area) to give other existing portal members 
the ability to view, create or edit content within the group file area 
even though the objects cannot be reached by "normal" members.

jens


On Friday, July 13, 2001, at 08:10 , Norman Khine wrote:

> Hello,
> I would like to extend the cmf, so as to enable for a group of Members to
> work on one specific Document, and would like some advice on how to set 
> this
> up.
>
> The site basically is for a architectural design competition, that we 
> carry
> out each year, and I am hoping to be able to make this fully cmf'd so 
> that:
>
> 1. Member joins the site, he then is presented of entering the 
> competition.
> I will create a new document_type eg competition where I will have nth
> number of details, such as Title of Scheme, Category ( Currently there are
> 4, main categories ) and Design Statement.
>
> I don't think that's much of a problem, my difficulty is in the fact that
> there will be a number of members working on one particular scheme, all 
> from
> different backgrounds -- ie architects, landscape architects, stonemasons,
> artists etc etc...
>
> The outcome off all this colaboration should be a number of design pages
> added individually by the members of the group, that will give other 
> members
> of the portal a detailed look of the proposed scheme -- these other 
> members
> are not part of this project.
>
> Perhaps a sort of wiki page?!, on the cmf.
>
> Main obsticle is how to define the groups -- I was thinking perhaps to let
> the person who registered for the competion to become the group leader and
> giving them the facility to add other members to this group, BUT if those
> members are already members of portal, I can't see a way of how to do 
> this.
> ie a way to invite other members to the group, and allocating them write
> privilages to the project?!?
>
> I hope I am explaining this clearly, all suggestions will be much
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Norman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature 
> requests


From mark.langkau@pbmplus.com  Fri Jul 13 13:46:23 2001
From: mark.langkau@pbmplus.com (Mark Langkau)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:46:23 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
Message-ID: <3B4EED9F.36EEDBF0@execpc.com>

Hi,

I'm using Jeffrey Shell's Printable Page "How-To" doc

http://cmf.zope.org/CMF/Members/jshell/News/PrintablePage

... and I'm wondering how to have the resulting "printable page" open
into a new browser window. Once the skin is customized, Jeff gives the
following as a sample link to use:

<a href="&dtml-URL;?portal_skin=Printable">print</a>

This works great. (Thanks Jeff!)  But I'm not sure how to cause this to
open in a new window. We have a client that likes the way other sites
have "Printer Friendly" icons that pop up a new window with the stripped
down page to print.

Is anyone else doing this, and could they share an example?

Cheers,
Mark



From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 13 14:31:48 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:31:48 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
In-Reply-To: <3B4EED9F.36EEDBF0@execpc.com>; from mlangkau@execpc.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 07:46:23AM -0500
References: <3B4EED9F.36EEDBF0@execpc.com>
Message-ID: <20010713143146.B27543@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Mark Langkau <mlangkau@execpc.com> [010713 13:55]:
> ... and I'm wondering how to have the resulting "printable page" open
> into a new browser window. Once the skin is customized, Jeff gives the
> following as a sample link to use:
> 
> <a href="&dtml-URL;?portal_skin=Printable">print</a>

it's an html thing: <a href="foo" target="_new">foo</a> should do the
trick.

seb


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Fri Jul 13 13:56:39 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:56:39 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
References: <3B4EED9F.36EEDBF0@execpc.com>
Message-ID: <029c01c10b9b$44543410$5c773fc1@media1>

<a href="&dtml-URL;?portal_skin=Printable" target="_new">print</a>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Langkau" <mlangkau@execpc.com>

> Hi,
> 
> ... and I'm wondering how to have the resulting "printable page" open
> into a new browser window. 
.
.
.

> Is anyone else doing this, and could they share an example?
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark



From khine@btinternet.com  Fri Jul 13 14:21:06 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:21:06 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Member Groups for the CMF
In-Reply-To: <20010713123159.5971F13962@kermit.dataflake.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOCEBLCLAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Thats really cool, I'll need to check this out. Can you point me to the
right place?

Many thanks



-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Jens Vagelpohl
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:31 PM
To: Norman Khine
Cc: Zope-Cmf
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Member Groups for the CMF


norman,

you might be interested to know that one of the feature additions to the
CMF on the "short list" is the ability of a folder owner to assign local
roles to other users within that folder.

in your situation this could be used by the group leader (who should be
the owner of the group's file area) to give other existing portal members
the ability to view, create or edit content within the group file area
even though the objects cannot be reached by "normal" members.

jens


On Friday, July 13, 2001, at 08:10 , Norman Khine wrote:

> Hello,
> I would like to extend the cmf, so as to enable for a group of Members to
> work on one specific Document, and would like some advice on how to set
> this
> up.
>
> The site basically is for a architectural design competition, that we
> carry
> out each year, and I am hoping to be able to make this fully cmf'd so
> that:
>
> 1. Member joins the site, he then is presented of entering the
> competition.
> I will create a new document_type eg competition where I will have nth
> number of details, such as Title of Scheme, Category ( Currently there are
> 4, main categories ) and Design Statement.
>
> I don't think that's much of a problem, my difficulty is in the fact that
> there will be a number of members working on one particular scheme, all
> from
> different backgrounds -- ie architects, landscape architects, stonemasons,
> artists etc etc...
>
> The outcome off all this colaboration should be a number of design pages
> added individually by the members of the group, that will give other
> members
> of the portal a detailed look of the proposed scheme -- these other
> members
> are not part of this project.
>
> Perhaps a sort of wiki page?!, on the cmf.
>
> Main obsticle is how to define the groups -- I was thinking perhaps to let
> the person who registered for the competion to become the group leader and
> giving them the facility to add other members to this group, BUT if those
> members are already members of portal, I can't see a way of how to do
> this.
> ie a way to invite other members to the group, and allocating them write
> privilages to the project?!?
>
> I hope I am explaining this clearly, all suggestions will be much
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Norman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Fri Jul 13 12:35:04 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:35:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Member Groups for the CMF
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOCEBLCLAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107130729490.2922-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Norman Khine wrote:

> Thats really cool, I'll need to check this out. Can you point me to the
> right place?

You could do this today using skins:

 - Add a DTML Method displays a form, collecting the userid and
   on or more local roles.  The form posts to a script.

 - Add the PythonScript, calling 'context.manage_setLocalRoles',
   passing 'userid' and a 'roles' list.

 - Set up an action for a folder or content type, pointing to your
   new DTML Method.

We will likely add such stuff to the core for the 1.2 release.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From khine@btinternet.com  Fri Jul 13 14:39:22 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:39:22 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
In-Reply-To: <029c01c10b9b$44543410$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOMEBLCLAA.khine@btinternet.com>

just as a side note, so that a user does not have to make any additional
"clicks" is there a method, perhaps python or java, that will fire-up the
default printer and the user can print directly the printable skin, without
having to open it in a new browser?



-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Phil Harris
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:57 PM
To: mark.langkau@pbmplus.com; zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?


<a href="&dtml-URL;?portal_skin=Printable" target="_new">print</a>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Langkau" <mlangkau@execpc.com>

> Hi,
>
> ... and I'm wondering how to have the resulting "printable page" open
> into a new browser window.
.
.
.

> Is anyone else doing this, and could they share an example?
>
> Cheers,
> Mark


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From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Fri Jul 13 14:37:12 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:37:12 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOMEBLCLAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <02bc01c10ba0$ec6e77a0$5c773fc1@media1>

You can do it with IE, not sure about NutScrape/Mozilla.

Can't remember the magic incantations at the moment though.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman Khine" <khine@btinternet.com>
To: "Zope-Cmf" <zope-cmf@zope.org>; "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?


> just as a side note, so that a user does not have to make any additional
> "clicks" is there a method, perhaps python or java, that will fire-up the
> default printer and the user can print directly the printable skin,
without
> having to open it in a new browser?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Phil Harris
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:57 PM
> To: mark.langkau@pbmplus.com; zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
>
>
> <a href="&dtml-URL;?portal_skin=Printable" target="_new">print</a>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Langkau" <mlangkau@execpc.com>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > ... and I'm wondering how to have the resulting "printable page" open
> > into a new browser window.
> .
> .
> .
>
> > Is anyone else doing this, and could they share an example?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mark
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests
>



From tseaver@digicool.com  Fri Jul 13 12:43:23 2001
From: tseaver@digicool.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:43:23 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Creating new portal type based on Document
Message-ID: <3B4EDEDB.574B3B28@digicool.com>

> Hello,
> 
> I was trying to create a new portal type based on Document. Actually it
> should be like document for now - only that it is an article :-))
> Later on I will create some new views etc.
> 
> I added a new factory based type information, gave it an id of
> 'Article' and set it to use the default type information from
> CMFDefault: Document.
> I changed the meta type on the properties tab to Article.
> 
> Now I know that the Document is an FS-based product and that the meta
> type is hard-coded into the class but I thought that there was somehow
> to avoid this.
> I have added some "articles" to my portal. When I go to the search
> screen and search for content with type=Article it finds my articles -
> and only them (as I want I to *S*).
> Then I have created a page to list the articles (for now just list them
> - later on I will make it more sophisticated). I have copy/pasted the
> code from the recent_news method and changed the search for News Item
> into Article (the meta_type argument). But it finds nothing (guess it's
> because the article type is based on the document type).
> 
> I saw at the search page that it could list the type as 'Article'. In
> the code it uses the property missing-Type.
> 
> Is there a way that I can search the catalog for missing-Type='Article'
> instead of meta_type='Article' (which won't work)

Sorry about the delay;  I'm only now catching up on mail after vacation.
You want to do a search for 'Type'=='Article', not 'metatype'.

Tres.
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From jens@digicool.com  Fri Jul 13 14:44:19 2001
From: jens@digicool.com (Jens Vagelpohl)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:44:19 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Member Groups for the CMF
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOCEBLCLAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <20010713134504.0932513962@kermit.dataflake.org>

there is no place for it right now because it isn't done yet...

jens


On Friday, July 13, 2001, at 09:21 , Norman Khine wrote:

> Thats really cool, I'll need to check this out. Can you point me to the
> right place?
>
> Many thanks


From xoph@snafu.de  Fri Jul 13 16:52:30 2001
From: xoph@snafu.de (xoph@snafu.de)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:52:30 MET
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
Message-ID: <E15L3Ms-0000vj-00@clever.visp-europe.psi.com>

Phil is right; this feature is browser-dependant (does not work with NS, and 
maybe not with other browsers as well).

Cheers,
Christoph


> You can do it with IE, not sure about NutScrape/Mozilla.
> 
> Can't remember the magic incantations at the moment though.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norman Khine" <khine@btinternet.com>
> To: "Zope-Cmf" <zope-cmf@zope.org>; "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:39 PM
> Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
> 
> 
> > just as a side note, so that a user does not have to make any additional
> > "clicks" is there a method, perhaps python or java, that will fire-up the
> > default printer and the user can print directly the printable skin,
> without
> > having to open it in a new browser?
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> > Of Phil Harris
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:57 PM
> > To: mark.langkau@pbmplus.com; zope-cmf@zope.org
> > Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
> >
> >
> > <a href="&dtml-URL;?portal_skin=Printable" target="_new">print</a>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Langkau" <mlangkau@execpc.com>
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > ... and I'm wondering how to have the resulting "printable page" open
> > > into a new browser window.
> > .
> > .
> > .
> >
> > > Is anyone else doing this, and could they share an example?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Mark
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> > requests
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature 
requests




From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 13 15:35:43 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:35:43 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
In-Reply-To: <E15L3Ms-0000vj-00@clever.visp-europe.psi.com>; from xoph@snafu.de on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 03:52:30PM +0100
References: <E15L3Ms-0000vj-00@clever.visp-europe.psi.com>
Message-ID: <20010713153542.C27543@lenin.jamkit.com>

You can can window.Print() in IE5+ only, but that still requires that
you open a window in order to print it in the first place. 

It also always display the print dialog box.

seb

* xoph@snafu.de <xoph@snafu.de> [010713 14:56]:
> Phil is right; this feature is browser-dependant (does not work with NS, and 
> maybe not with other browsers as well).
> 
> Cheers,
> Christoph
> 
> 
> > You can do it with IE, not sure about NutScrape/Mozilla.
> > 
> > Can't remember the magic incantations at the moment though.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Norman Khine" <khine@btinternet.com>
> > To: "Zope-Cmf" <zope-cmf@zope.org>; "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:39 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
> > 
> > 
> > > just as a side note, so that a user does not have to make any additional
> > > "clicks" is there a method, perhaps python or java, that will fire-up the
> > > default printer and the user can print directly the printable skin,
> > without
> > > having to open it in a new browser?


From khine@btinternet.com  Fri Jul 13 15:24:04 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:24:04 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Member Groups for the CMF
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107130729490.2922-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOMEBNCLAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Thanks Tres,
Can you tell me if there is a proposals documentation for this, I would like
to see the "philosophy" behind your/s proposal.

Also to clarify a small issue, the DTML method form, would this be added by
the group leader, from the MyStaff wizard or Portal Manager?

The way I see this working is to let ALL members join a group, a bit like
yahoo's groups model, but with a small difference, the group leader decides
who can belong to the group!

Maybe this is wrong, as you don't want everybody to join a group, but then
could be an asset, as members with the right "skills" could offer their
expertise, by adding content to their "portal-space" which can become part
of the "Project", similar to what happens now within the cmf, where all
members add content, which is indexed/ grouped by subject type.

I suppose the group leader will become the project reviewer then.

So that every member works "within" their member folder -- adding content,
then each content item has the option of becoming part of a larger
"Project". Therefore each content_type must have a an optional link to a
"PROJECT", should a member decides their content can belong to a project.

OR, perhaps, every member has the option to add a Project -- from the types
option, this then creates a folder project in the member's folder and sets
the security as required, then other members are invited to contribute to
the project/ or add directly to that folder.

Is this how it is being proposed/ or worked on? And are workflows part of
the equation?




-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Tres Seaver
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:35 PM
To: Norman Khine
Cc: Jens Vagelpohl; Zope-Cmf
Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Member Groups for the CMF


On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Norman Khine wrote:

> Thats really cool, I'll need to check this out. Can you point me to the
> right place?

You could do this today using skins:

 - Add a DTML Method displays a form, collecting the userid and
   on or more local roles.  The form posts to a script.

 - Add the PythonScript, calling 'context.manage_setLocalRoles',
   passing 'userid' and a 'roles' list.

 - Set up an action for a folder or content type, pointing to your
   new DTML Method.

We will likely add such stuff to the core for the 1.2 release.

Tres.
--
===============================================================
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Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org


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From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul 13 15:36:08 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:36:08 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
In-Reply-To: <E15L3Ms-0000vj-00@clever.visp-europe.psi.com>
Message-ID: <B7747F98.305A5%marc@bowery.com>

target=new works with any browser.

> From: xoph@snafu.de
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:52:30 MET
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
> 
> Phil is right; this feature is browser-dependant (does not work with NS, and
> maybe not with other browsers as well).
> 
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>



From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul 13 15:39:51 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:39:51 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Stylesheet guide
In-Reply-To: <01071312432206.02230@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <B7748077.305A6%marc@bowery.com>

Check out
http://cmf.zope.org/Members/grifter70000/color_guide

> From: Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org>
> Organization: MMManager.org
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:43:22 +0200
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] Stylesheet guide
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am looking for a guide to the style sheets that CMF comes with.
> I have seen the color guide - but that haven't got anything to to with font
> sizs etc...
> 
> The thing I want to change right now is the font size of the frontpage of my
> portal.
> I have looked in the default_stylesheet file and tried to change the size of
> the p attribute. But that didn't help.
> 
> Anyone who can lead me in the right direction ??
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Gitte Wange Jensen
> 
> Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
> MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark
> 
> Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
> Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
> Web: www.mmmanager.org
> 
> Quote of the day:
> [On some PCMCIA cardbus implementations] Who makes those
> pieces of crap? And who buys them? I can understand it in
> embedded stuff simply because the chips are simpler and smaller,
> but in a laptop you should definitely try to avoid it.
> 
> - Linus Torvalds
> 
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> requests



From aem@byu.edu  Fri Jul 13 15:47:35 2001
From: aem@byu.edu (Adrian Madrid)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:47:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
In-Reply-To: <3B4EED9F.36EEDBF0@execpc.com>
Message-ID: <20010713144735.99607.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Mark Langkau <mlangkau@execpc.com> wrote:
> ...
> <a href="&dtml-URL;?portal_skin=Printable">print</a>

I believe an easy way to do it would be: 

<a href="&dtml-URL;?portal_skin=Printable"
target="_blank">print</a>

This is pure HTML (no JS necessary) and would do the
trick.




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From Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de  Fri Jul 13 16:39:10 2001
From: Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de (Christoph Schirmer)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:39:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
References: <B7747F98.305A5%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <3B4F161E.501CFD14@snafu.de>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------9F044BC4402A2D0110870081
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

target="_blank" :-) yes.
But you can´t send it to the printer directly with that tag; and the respective
command does not work with all browsers.

Cheers,
Christoph

marc lindahl wrote:

> target=new works with any browser.
>
> > From: xoph@snafu.de
> > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:52:30 MET
> > To:
>
> marc lindahl wrote:
>
>> target=new works with any browser.
>>
>> > From: xoph@snafu.de
>> > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:52:30 MET
>> > To: zope-cmf@zope.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
>> >
>> > Phil is right; this feature is browser-dependant (does not work with NS, and
>>
>> > maybe not with other browsers as well).
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Christoph
>> >
>
>
> > Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
> >
> > Phil is right; this feature is browser-dependant (does not work with NS, and
> > maybe not with other browsers as well).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Christoph
> >

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From bill@libc.org  Fri Jul 13 16:34:49 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 13 Jul 2001 09:34:49 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Stylesheet guide
In-Reply-To: <B7748077.305A6%marc@bowery.com>
References: <B7748077.305A6%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <995038490.18213.1.camel@locutus.libc.org>

On 13 Jul 2001 10:39:51 -0400, marc lindahl wrote:
> Check out
> http://cmf.zope.org/Members/grifter70000/color_guide

Marc, Gitte has already seen to _color_ guide, which does not talk about
the _font_ sizes ....

Gitte, I am not aware of any guide which covers this.

> 
> > From: Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org>
> > Organization: MMManager.org
> > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:43:22 +0200
> > To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> > Subject: [Zope-CMF] Stylesheet guide
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I am looking for a guide to the style sheets that CMF comes with.
> > I have seen the color guide - but that haven't got anything to to with font
> > sizs etc...
> >

Bill




From robert@redcor.ch  Fri Jul 13 16:49:31 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:49:31 +0200
Subject: Fw: [Zope-CMF] Boring CMF Product.
Message-ID: <010c01c10bb3$68d055e0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

 I would sugest to split such a howto in chapters each one talking on on
 particular tool.
 So the chore could be split to several people one creating a somehow
 detailed example on say the topic, the other one on the types tool.
 This would mean to first scetch an "extensable" boring product.
 If you would detail me one of the parts, I would add one chapter.

 Robert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tres Seaver" <tseaver@palladion.com>
> To: "Erik Enge" <erik@thingamy.net>
> Cc: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 7:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Boring CMF Product.
>
>
> > On 12 Jul 2001, Erik Enge wrote:
> >
> > > Is there a Boring Product with a Boring How-To out there?  If not,
> > > should I write one - or is the API changing all the time, so my
> > > efforts would be wasted?
> >
> > The CMFCalendar product is intended to be somewhat "didactic",
> > but a CMFBoring product and accompanying how-to would be welcome.
> > The contract for content objects has not changed significantly
> > since CMF 1.0;  the only big change to date is the addition of
> > an (optional) set of content-type-specific metadata policies.
> >
> > Tres.
> > --
> > ===============================================================
> > Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
> > Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests
> >
>



From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Fri Jul 13 16:50:45 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:50:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Bug: 'TypeError: cannot convert string to tuple' in
 metadata_edit
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010713175045.0113a720@pop.dplanet.ch>

Something for the tracker? Where to track if so?

When I call metadata_edit directly from the browser with a=20
parameter which is internaly represented by a tuple like=20
'contributors' or subject I get a error, if the parameter
occurs once only:
   http://path/to/obj/metadata_edit?contributors=3Dx

No error on more than one occurance:
   http://path/to/obj/metadata_edit?contributors=3Dx&contributors=3Dy

Type: TypeError
Value: cannot convert string to tuple=20

Traceback (innermost last):
  File D:\prog\zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File D:\prog\zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 187, in publish
  File D:\prog\zope\lib\python\Zope\__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: DynamicType)
  File D:\prog\zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 171, in publish
  File D:\prog\zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: metadata_edit)
  File D:\prog\zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112, in=
 call_object
    (Object: metadata_edit)
  File D:\prog\zope\lib\python\Shared\DC\Scripts\Bindings.py, line 324, in
__call__
    (Object: metadata_edit)
  File D:\prog\zope\lib\python\Shared\DC\Scripts\Bindings.py, line 354, in
_bindAndExec
    (Object: metadata_edit)
  File D:\prog\zope\lib\python\Products\PythonScripts\PythonScript.py, line
336, in _exec
    (Object: metadata_edit)
    (Info: ({'script': <PythonScript instance at 023D6A30>, 'context':
<Document instance at 0237DEA0>, 'container': <CMFSite instance at
023A3830>, 'traverse_subpath': []}, (None, None, None, 'x', None, None,
None, None, None), {}, (None, None, None, None, None, None, None, None,
None)))
  File Script (Python), line 27, in metadata_edit
  File <string>, line 8, in tuplify
  File D:\prog\zope\lib\python\Products\PythonScripts\Guarded.py, line 195,
in __careful_tuple__
TypeError: (see above)


The problem is metadat_edit.py which resides in the content skin=20
directory. The following patch corrects the issue:


cvs -q diff -r HEAD metadata_edit.py (in directory
F:\user\greg\tmp\CMF\CMFDefault\skins\content\)
Index: metadata_edit.py
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
RCS file: /cvs-repository/CMF/CMFDefault/skins/content/metadata_edit.py,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -r1.1 metadata_edit.py
8c8,11
<         value =3D tuple( value )
---
>         if same_type ( value, '-'):
>             value =3D ( value, )
>         else:
>             value =3D tuple( value )

*****CVS exited normally with code 1*****

Greg
_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From wilson@visi.com  Fri Jul 13 16:49:00 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:49:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Searching vs. browsing
In-Reply-To: <B7748077.305A6%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107131025250.25272-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, marc lindahl wrote:

> Check out
> http://cmf.zope.org/Members/grifter70000/color_guide

Wow, this one link is going to save me a ton of work. Thank you!

This also brings up an issue that I've recognized with the CMF recently. My
sense is that navigation in a CMF-enable Web site, and cmf.zope.org in
particular, are overwhelmingly search-oriented. The link given above and the
content it provided were readily available with a quick search (it was 6th
in the list of items returned when I used "stylesheet" as the search term),
but completely invisible to a site visitor otherwise.

Jakob Nielsen talks quite a bit about the need to make sure content can be
found by "searchers" and "browsers."

"My usability studies show that slightly more than half of all users are
search-dominant, about a fifth of the users are link-dominant, and the rest
exhibit mixed behavior. The search-dominant users will usually go straight
for the search button when they enter a website. They are not interested in
looking around the site; they are task-focused and want to find specific
information as fast as possible. In contrast, the link-dominant users prefer
to follow the links around a site. Even when they want to find specific
information, they will initially try to get to it by following promising
links from the home page. Only when they get hopelessly lost will
link-dominant users admit defeat and use a search command. Mixed-behavior
users switch between search and link-following, depending on what seems most
promising to them at any given time, but they do not have an inherent
preference." (Nielsen 224)

I am not a search-dominant user. I use both techniques, but I do get
frustrated when I visit a site and I'm forced to use the search feature to
find what I want. The "me-centric" approach of the CMF would seem to require
heavy use of the search functions. I'm hoping that Topics will be the tool
that will allow me to present content in a way that site visitors can find
easily by browsing.

Any comments?

References
==========
Nielsen, Jakob, "Designing Web Usability", 2000.

Later,
Tim

--
Tim Wilson      |   Visit Sibley online:   | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.org
W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
wilson@visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com



From Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de  Fri Jul 13 17:12:05 2001
From: Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de (Christoph Schirmer)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:12:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Searching vs. browsing
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107131025250.25272-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3B4F1DD5.4AC745C8@snafu.de>

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I could´t agree more, also it needs to be said that a search in the cmf leaves you
with lots of findings that are irrelevant. But one still has to view many to realize
that.

I would very much appreciate a CMF book like the Zope book, or a site structure that
is ZMF-users centered, e.g. like the O´Reilly Cook books.

Cheers,
Christoph

Timothy Wilson wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, marc lindahl wrote:
>
> > Check out
> > http://cmf.zope.org/Members/grifter70000/color_guide
>
> Wow, this one link is going to save me a ton of work. Thank you!
>
> This also brings up an issue that I've recognized with the CMF recently. My
> sense is that navigation in a CMF-enable Web site, and cmf.zope.org in
> particular, are overwhelmingly search-oriented. The link given above and the
> content it provided were readily available with a quick search (it was 6th
> in the list of items returned when I used "stylesheet" as the search term),
> but completely invisible to a site visitor otherwise.
>
> Jakob Nielsen talks quite a bit about the need to make sure content can be
> found by "searchers" and "browsers."
>
> "My usability studies show that slightly more than half of all users are
> search-dominant, about a fifth of the users are link-dominant, and the rest
> exhibit mixed behavior. The search-dominant users will usually go straight
> for the search button when they enter a website. They are not interested in
> looking around the site; they are task-focused and want to find specific
> information as fast as possible. In contrast, the link-dominant users prefer
> to follow the links around a site. Even when they want to find specific
> information, they will initially try to get to it by following promising
> links from the home page. Only when they get hopelessly lost will
> link-dominant users admit defeat and use a search command. Mixed-behavior
> users switch between search and link-following, depending on what seems most
> promising to them at any given time, but they do not have an inherent
> preference." (Nielsen 224)
>
> I am not a search-dominant user. I use both techniques, but I do get
> frustrated when I visit a site and I'm forced to use the search feature to
> find what I want. The "me-centric" approach of the CMF would seem to require
> heavy use of the search functions. I'm hoping that Topics will be the tool
> that will allow me to present content in a way that site visitors can find
> easily by browsing.
>
> Any comments?
>
> References
> ==========
> Nielsen, Jakob, "Designing Web Usability", 2000.
>
> Later,
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Wilson      |   Visit Sibley online:   | Check out:
> Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.org
> W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
> wilson@visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests

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From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 13 17:46:41 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:46:41 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Bug: 'TypeError: cannot convert string to tuple' in metadata_edit
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010713175045.0113a720@pop.dplanet.ch>; from gregoire.weber@switzerland.org on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 05:50:45PM +0200
References: <3.0.6.32.20010713175045.0113a720@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <20010713174640.E27543@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Grégoire Weber <gregoire.weber@switzerland.org> [010713 16:52]:
> Something for the tracker? Where to track if so?
> 
> When I call metadata_edit directly from the browser with a 
> parameter which is internaly represented by a tuple like 
> 'contributors' or subject I get a error, if the parameter
> occurs once only:
>    http://path/to/obj/metadata_edit?contributors=x
> 
> No error on more than one occurance:
>    http://path/to/obj/metadata_edit?contributors=x&contributors=y

This is what the type coercion rules are for:

  http://path/to/obj/metadata_edit?contributors:list=x

Your patch is a more robust way of dealing with this kind of
thing, though.  I wonder where the responsibility for ensuring type
correctness should lie?

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 13 17:53:26 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (Seb Bacon)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:53:26 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] That Weekly Thing
In-Reply-To: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHOEJICCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>; from jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 12:12:29PM +0100
References: <3.0.6.32.20010705154833.011800d0@pop.dplanet.ch> <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHOEJICCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20010713175326.F27543@lenin.jamkit.com>

Jon,

are you there?  you've been very quiet this week :-)

i'll hopefully have time for a 20 minute burst at the
news but i'm still in the thick of work at the moment.  we might have
to miss this week or catch up on monday, otherwise...

cheers,

seb



From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 13 17:56:48 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (Seb Bacon)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:56:48 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] That Weekly Thing
In-Reply-To: <20010713175326.F27543@lenin.jamkit.com>; from seb@jamkit.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 05:53:26PM +0100
References: <3.0.6.32.20010705154833.011800d0@pop.dplanet.ch> <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHOEJICCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <20010713175326.F27543@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <20010713175648.G27543@lenin.jamkit.com>

Ooops.  That 'reply to all' button will be my downfall..

While I'm at it, does anyone else fancy chipping in on a Weekly News
in the future?  Volunteers email me directly...

cheers

seb

* Seb Bacon <seb@jamkit.com> [010713 17:20]:
> Jon,
> 
> are you there?  you've been very quiet this week :-)
> 
> i'll hopefully have time for a 20 minute burst at the
> news but i'm still in the thick of work at the moment.  we might have
> to miss this week or catch up on monday, otherwise...
> 
> cheers,
> 
> seb


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jul 13 17:26:13 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:26:13 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] RE: That Weekly Thing
In-Reply-To: <20010713175326.F27543@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHOENICCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

> are you there?  you've been very quiet this week :-)

Got sick of the sound of my own voice, and decided to do some "real work"!
;-)

> i'll hopefully have time for a 20 minute burst at the
> news but i'm still in the thick of work at the moment.  we might have
> to miss this week or catch up on monday, otherwise...

If you can make a start, I'll finish off tonight, or over the weekend

Cheers, Jon



From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul 13 17:27:49 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:27:49 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Stylesheet guide
In-Reply-To: <995038490.18213.1.camel@locutus.libc.org>
Message-ID: <B77499C4.305DF%marc@bowery.com>

Aha.
Well, that guide gives you the essential clue -- the naming convention in
default_stylesheet so you can look at the file and tell what's affecting
what on the page.
Thing is, the fonts are highly dependant on your browser type and user
settings.

> From: Bill Anderson <bill@libc.org>
> Date: 13 Jul 2001 09:34:49 -0600
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Stylesheet guide
> 
> On 13 Jul 2001 10:39:51 -0400, marc lindahl wrote:
>> Check out
>> http://cmf.zope.org/Members/grifter70000/color_guide
> 
> Marc, Gitte has already seen to _color_ guide, which does not talk about
> the _font_ sizes ....
> 
> Gitte, I am not aware of any guide which covers this.
> 
>> 
>>> From: Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org>
>>> Organization: MMManager.org
>>> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:43:22 +0200
>>> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
>>> Subject: [Zope-CMF] Stylesheet guide
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I am looking for a guide to the style sheets that CMF comes with.
>>> I have seen the color guide - but that haven't got anything to to with font
>>> sizs etc...
>>> 
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jul 13 17:28:54 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:28:54 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] RE: That Weekly Thing
In-Reply-To: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHOENICCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHCENJCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Oooops! I've caught the "Reply to all" bug!

Apologies to Gregoire and the list for cluttering up your inbox! (which, of
course, I have just done again ;-)

Cheers, Jon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Edwards [mailto:jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: 13 July 2001 17:26
> To: Seb Bacon
> Cc: Gregoire Weber; Zope-Cmf
> Subject: RE: That Weekly Thing
>
>
> > are you there?  you've been very quiet this week :-)
>
> Got sick of the sound of my own voice, and decided to do some
> "real work"! ;-)
>
> > i'll hopefully have time for a 20 minute burst at the
> > news but i'm still in the thick of work at the moment.  we might have
> > to miss this week or catch up on monday, otherwise...
>
> If you can make a start, I'll finish off tonight, or over the weekend
>
> Cheers, Jon



From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul 13 17:29:57 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:29:57 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
In-Reply-To: <3B4F161E.501CFD14@snafu.de>
Message-ID: <B7749A45.305E0%marc@bowery.com>

I haven't tested target=3D"_blank"... I'll keep that one in mind as well.  I
know target=3D"new" works on just about every browser, every platform.

As for sending right to the printer... I guess that's why it's called
'print-able' and not 'print this page'.  After all, that's a security hole
(can you imagine a site that just sends a pile of formfeeds to your
printer?!?!)

> From: Christoph Schirmer <Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de>
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:39:10 +0200
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Can "Printable Page" open to new window?
>=20
> target=3D"_blank" :-) yes.
> But you can=B4t send it to the printer directly with that tag; and the
> respective
> command does not work with all browsers.
>=20
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>=20
> marc lindahl wrote:
>=20
>> target=3Dnew works with any browser.



From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul 13 17:31:29 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:31:29 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Searching vs. browsing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107131025250.25272-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <B7749AA0.305E1%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com>
> 
> Jakob Nielsen talks quite a bit about the need to make sure content can be
> found by "searchers" and "browsers."

I agree -- check out news_box in the default CMF.  THat's a good example of
a browser interface to the search (catalog) capability.




From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 13 18:10:41 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:10:41 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Stylesheet guide
In-Reply-To: <B77499C4.305DF%marc@bowery.com>; from marc@bowery.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:27:49PM -0400
References: <995038490.18213.1.camel@locutus.libc.org> <B77499C4.305DF%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <20010713181041.H27543@lenin.jamkit.com>

* marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com> [010713 17:32]:
> Aha.
> Well, that guide gives you the essential clue -- the naming convention in
> default_stylesheet so you can look at the file and tell what's affecting
> what on the page.
> Thing is, the fonts are highly dependant on your browser type and user
> settings.

I'll second that - I just spent ages trying to sort them out.  For
example, it turns out that almost every browser neglects to inherit
font properties through a table element.  Be warned, it's a bit of a
minefield.  I did manage to sort it out in the end, though.

seb


From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul 13 17:36:35 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:36:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Stylesheet guide
In-Reply-To: <20010713181041.H27543@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <B7749BD2.305EC%marc@bowery.com>


> From: seb bacon <seb@jamkit.com>
>
> I'll second that - I just spent ages trying to sort them out.  For
> example, it turns out that almost every browser neglects to inherit
> font properties through a table element.  Be warned, it's a bit of a
> minefield.  I did manage to sort it out in the end, though.

If you can capsulize your information, then perhaps you can make a
default_stylesheet font guide!  :)



From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 13 18:17:12 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:17:12 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Stylesheet guide
In-Reply-To: <B7749BD2.305EC%marc@bowery.com>; from marc@bowery.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:36:35PM -0400
References: <20010713181041.H27543@lenin.jamkit.com> <B7749BD2.305EC%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <20010713181712.I27543@lenin.jamkit.com>

* marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com> [010713 17:41]:
> 
> 
> > From: seb bacon <seb@jamkit.com>
> >
> > I'll second that - I just spent ages trying to sort them out.  For
> > example, it turns out that almost every browser neglects to inherit
> > font properties through a table element.  Be warned, it's a bit of a
> > minefield.  I did manage to sort it out in the end, though.
> 
> If you can capsulize your information, then perhaps you can make a
> default_stylesheet font guide!  :)

Sadly, it was for my own skins rather than the CMFDefault ones...


From augusto@artlover.com  Fri Jul 13 18:04:49 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:04:49 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to save extra data with CMF-object
References: <B773B0B7.30502%marc@bowery.com> <994984044.10778.1.camel@locutus.libc.org>
Message-ID: <3B4F2A31.2738E764@artlover.com>

Please let me ask this way:
Would the added custom properties be catalogaware?
If not, what should we do to turn them so?


Ausum



Bill Anderson wrote:
> 
> On 12 Jul 2001 19:53:28 -0400, marc lindahl wrote:
> >
> >
> > > From: Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > It turns out that CMFDefault.DefaultDublinCoreImpl derives
> > > (for unknown reasons) from PropertyManager;  therefore, virtually
> > > all content objects can have custom properties added to them!
> >
> > Would that also mean they're automatically indexed in catalog too?
> >
> 
> No. not as far as I would guess. For soemthing to be indexed, the
> catalog needs to know about it. If you added it to the catalog, then I
> would hazard to say that it would participate in the cataloging. I
> should ba able to report the veracity of said guess tonight (MST).
> 
> Bill
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests


From tseaver@digicool.com  Fri Jul 13 16:29:35 2001
From: tseaver@digicool.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:29:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Skinned Folders
Message-ID: <3B4F13DF.42EA0A8F@digicool.com>

Christoph Schirmer <Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de> wrote:

> As I didn=B4t find any documentation on the cmf site, could someone ple=
ase explain
> Skinned Folders, in comparison to Folders or Portal Folders? When shoul=
d one use
> Skinned Folders?

SkinnedFolder exists to allow the site manager to define a "folderish"
type with consistent skins:  rather than relying on acquiring 'index_html=
',
instances which have SkinnedFolder as their underlying implementation can
share a specific, named view.

For instance, one might prefer not to create an 'index_html' document in
a new member folders;  instead, each member folder's view would provide a
uniform view on the member's contents, etc. To accomplish this, one might
create a SkinnedFolder derivative, 'MemberFolder', and arrange to have it
created by the membership tool.

Tres.
--=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org


From lemaitre@dive.com.mx  Fri Jul 13 22:48:42 2001
From: lemaitre@dive.com.mx (Felipe Lemaitre)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:48:42 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Offer to help in documentation process of CMF
Message-ID: <3B4F6CBA.1096FA61@dive.com.mx>

Dear zope team

I would like to help in the process of ordering and creating the CMF
documentation.

Please instruct me the place the proyect is located and also who I
should contact.

thaks

felipe



From khine@btinternet.com  Sat Jul 14 00:04:18 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:04:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ProxyPass weirdness
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEJJCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hello,
I've set up a CMF portal on my zope server which sits behind apache, I have
configured apache as discussed in the
http://www.zope.org/Members/anser/apache_zserver/

Now everytime I go to my site I am able to access it and all works fine,
until I link to the home page, which points http://mysite.com/, well you
might say that thats where my home page is and yes you are right, BUT the
CMF decides to log me out / or log out any of the users that are loged in.

I had experienced the same "weirdness" on the cmf site; if you log in and
then link to the HOME button you will be loged out.

BUT clicking on any other pages, then you become loged in -- is it something
to do with the

<a href="&dtml-portal_url;">

also in the URI I get double //, so that on my browser every link is as
follows

http://www.mysite.com//recent_news - when I click on the on the recent news;
this repeats for all other links!!!

Any ideas, why that is.

many thanks

Norman

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From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Sat Jul 14 00:57:35 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:57:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Bug: 'TypeError: cannot convert string to
 tuple' in metadata_edit
In-Reply-To: <20010713174640.E27543@lenin.jamkit.com>
References: <3.0.6.32.20010713175045.0113a720@pop.dplanet.ch>
 <3.0.6.32.20010713175045.0113a720@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010714015735.01d9bec0@pop.dplanet.ch>

Hi Seb,

> > When I call metadata_edit directly from the browser with a=20
> > parameter which is internaly represented by a tuple like=20
> > 'contributors' or subject I get a error, if the parameter
> > occurs once only:
> >    http://path/to/obj/metadata_edit?contributors=3Dx
>=20
> This is what the type coercion rules are for:
>=20
>   http://path/to/obj/metadata_edit?contributors:list=3Dx

You're right. This works!
And http://path/to/obj/metadata_edit?contributors:lines=3Dx also.

> Your patch is a more robust way of dealing with this kind of
> thing, though.  I wonder where the responsibility for ensuring type
> correctness should lie?

That's a good question! I don't see the implications in depth!
The question is: Are these types real types describing the datas
structure or the datas presentation (in HTML)?

Consider this (original code snippet out of metadata_edit_form):

<textarea name=3D"subject:lines" rows=3D"3"
                          ^--------------------------- this!
 cols=3D"20"><dtml-in Subject
 ><dtml-let item=3Dsequence-item
 ><dtml-unless expr=3D"item in allowedSubjects"
 ><dtml-var sequence-item>
 </dtml-unless></dtml-let></dtml-in></textarea>
 <dtml-comment>
 Comment out / delete this to ignore controlled vocabulary=20
 for Subject.
 </dtml-comment>
 <br>
 <select name=3D"subject:list" multiple>
                        ^------------------------------ and this!
 <dtml-in allowedSubjects>
 <dtml-let item=3Dsequence-item
 sel=3D"item in contentSubject and 'selected' or ''">
 <option value=3D"&dtml-sequence-item;"
 &dtml-sel;> &dtml-sequence-item; </option>
 </dtml-let>
 </dtml-in>
 </select>

The question which arrises (for me):
   Is subject of type lines or of type list? Hmmm!

I had some problems a few days ago when I customized=20
metadata_edit_form by puting the <select ...> block before the=20
<textarea ...> block! Perhaps its the same source of problems.

Greg

_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From wilson@visi.com  Sat Jul 14 02:03:34 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:03:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ProxyPass weirdness
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEJJCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107132002170.25035-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Norman Khine wrote:

> I had experienced the same "weirdness" on the cmf site; if you log in and
> then link to the HOME button you will be loged out.
> 
> BUT clicking on any other pages, then you become loged in -- is it something
> to do with the
> 
> <a href="&dtml-portal_url;">

I've seen this behavior too. I think it may be browser-related. What browser
are you using?

-Tim

--
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Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.org
W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
wilson@visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com



From khine@btinternet.com  Sat Jul 14 09:42:08 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:42:08 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ProxyPass weirdness
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107132002170.25035-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEJLCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>

I am using both Netscape 6 and IE5 and it happens on both.

-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Wilson [mailto:wilson@visi.com]
Sent: 14 July 2001 02:04
To: Norman Khine
Cc: Zope-CMF
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] ProxyPass weirdness


On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Norman Khine wrote:

> I had experienced the same "weirdness" on the cmf site; if you log in and
> then link to the HOME button you will be loged out.
>
> BUT clicking on any other pages, then you become loged in -- is it
something
> to do with the
>
> <a href="&dtml-portal_url;">

I've seen this behavior too. I think it may be browser-related. What browser
are you using?

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      |   Visit Sibley online:   | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.org
W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
wilson@visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com




From tseaver@palladion.com  Sat Jul 14 15:55:35 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:55:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ProxyPass weirdness
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEJLCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107141053250.881-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Norman Khine wrote:

> I am using both Netscape 6 and IE5 and it happens on both.

This smells like a weirdness in the Apache rewrite rule -- perhaps
your rule either *has* an extra trailing slash where it shouldn't,
or *doesn't have* one where it should?  Losing authentication probably
means that the path associated with the cookie doesn't match up
somehow when you are at the "portal root".

Tres.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy Wilson [mailto:wilson@visi.com]
> Sent: 14 July 2001 02:04
> To: Norman Khine
> Cc: Zope-CMF
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] ProxyPass weirdness
> 
> 
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Norman Khine wrote:
> 
> > I had experienced the same "weirdness" on the cmf site; if you log in and
> > then link to the HOME button you will be loged out.
> >
> > BUT clicking on any other pages, then you become loged in -- is it
> something
> > to do with the
> >
> > <a href="&dtml-portal_url;">
> 
> I've seen this behavior too. I think it may be browser-related. What browser
> are you using?
> 
> -Tim
> 
> --
> Tim Wilson      |   Visit Sibley online:   | Check out:
> Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.org
> W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
> wilson@visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests
> 
> 

-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From tseaver@palladion.com  Sat Jul 14 16:03:21 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:03:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Bug: 'TypeError: cannot convert string to  tuple' in
 metadata_edit
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010714015735.01d9bec0@pop.dplanet.ch>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107141056360.881-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Gr=E9goire Weber wrote:

> Hi Seb,
>=20
> > > When I call metadata_edit directly from the browser with a=20
> > > parameter which is internaly represented by a tuple like=20
> > > 'contributors' or subject I get a error, if the parameter
> > > occurs once only:
> > >    http://path/to/obj/metadata_edit?contributors=3Dx
> >=20
> > This is what the type coercion rules are for:
> >=20
> >   http://path/to/obj/metadata_edit?contributors:list=3Dx
>=20
> You're right. This works!
> And http://path/to/obj/metadata_edit?contributors:lines=3Dx also.
>=20
> > Your patch is a more robust way of dealing with this kind of
> > thing, though.  I wonder where the responsibility for ensuring type
> > correctness should lie?
>=20
> That's a good question! I don't see the implications in depth!
> The question is: Are these types real types describing the datas
> structure or the datas presentation (in HTML)?
>=20
> Consider this (original code snippet out of metadata_edit_form):
>=20
> <textarea name=3D"subject:lines" rows=3D"3"
>                           ^--------------------------- this!
>  cols=3D"20"><dtml-in Subject
>  ><dtml-let item=3Dsequence-item
>  ><dtml-unless expr=3D"item in allowedSubjects"
>  ><dtml-var sequence-item>
>  </dtml-unless></dtml-let></dtml-in></textarea>
>  <dtml-comment>
>  Comment out / delete this to ignore controlled vocabulary=20
>  for Subject.
>  </dtml-comment>
>  <br>
>  <select name=3D"subject:list" multiple>
>                         ^------------------------------ and this!
>  <dtml-in allowedSubjects>
>  <dtml-let item=3Dsequence-item
>  sel=3D"item in contentSubject and 'selected' or ''">
>  <option value=3D"&dtml-sequence-item;"
>  &dtml-sel;> &dtml-sequence-item; </option>
>  </dtml-let>
>  </dtml-in>
>  </select>
>=20
> The question which arrises (for me):
>    Is subject of type lines or of type list? Hmmm!

The issue is not whether subject is of those types (it is neither),
but how you want to have ZPublisher marshall the 'subject' form
variable:

  - ':list' says to ZPublisher, "Marshall this variable as
    a list, with an entry for each distinct value passed by
    the browser, even when the browser supplies only one value;
   =20
  - ':lines' says, "Split the single value supplied by the browser
    into mutiple values, breaking at newlines;
   =20
  - ':tokens' says, "Split the single value supplied by the browser
    into mutiple values, breaking at spaces;

  - ':int' says, "Convert the value supplied by the browser into
    an integer."

etc.
=20
> I had some problems a few days ago when I customized=20
> metadata_edit_form by puting the <select ...> block before the=20
> <textarea ...> block! Perhaps its the same source of problems.

Hmm, I don't know there;  I would suspect that ZPublisher needs
to know that the value is to be marshalled as a list when it
first encounters it;  in that case, you might need to use
':lines:list' (untested).

Tres
--=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From gregoire.weber@switzerland.org  Sat Jul 14 19:42:17 2001
From: gregoire.weber@switzerland.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Weber)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 20:42:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Bug: 'TypeError: cannot convert string to
 tuple' in metadata_edit
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010714204217.011fec80@pop.dplanet.ch>

forgot to copy this to the list:

Hi Tres,

Thanks for your enlightening answers!=20

(Hu! Working Saturdays and so early in the morning?)

It's seems to me that there is a bug. Read on!

> The issue is not whether subject is of those types (it is neither),
> but how you want to have ZPublisher marshall the 'subject' form
> variable:
>=20
> [...]
Ok, I now understand it correctly!

> > I had some problems a few days ago when I customized=20
> > metadata_edit_form by puting the <select ...> block before the=20
> > <textarea ...> block! Perhaps its the same source of problems.
>=20
> Hmm, I don't know there;  I would suspect that ZPublisher needs
> to know that the value is to be marshalled as a list when it
> first encounters it;  in that case, you might need to use
> ':lines:list' (untested).

I tested it. For your information:

Doing the following

   <textarea name=3D"subject:lines:list" rows=3D"3" cols=3D"20">...</textare=
a>
                           ^^^^^ ^^^^
   <select name=3D"subject:list" multiple>...</select>

results in a list (as expected) and the textareas subjects living in
a own list living in the top list (not expected!), result example:=20

   [['textarea-para1', 'textarea-para2'], 'select-para3'])

If I choose to code the <select> part before the <textarea> part=20
due to optical reasons I get a similar result:

   <select name=3D"subject:list" multiple>...</select>
   <textarea name=3D"subject:lines" rows=3D"3" cols=3D"20">...</textarea>
                           ^^^^^
Results in something like that:

   ['select-para3', ['textarea-para1', 'textarea-para2']])

In the original order you get one list without sublist:

   <textarea name=3D"subject:lines" rows=3D"3" cols=3D"20">...</textarea>
                           ^^^^^
   <select name=3D"subject:list" multiple>...</select>

Hmmmm? It seems to depend in which order you code your form and
(what's really bad!) how the browser groups the parameters.

So, does ZPublisher do his job correctly?

Should he not append the 'subject:lines' parameters to the=20
list instead of inserting them as a list into the top list?

To check this yourself: have a look at the original=20
metadata_edit_form in CMF 1.1.

Greg

_____________________________________
Gr=E9goire Weber
Rigistr. 31
CH-8006 Z=FCrich
Switzerland
phone:  +41-(0)1-361 66 11
mobile: +41-(0)79-44 11 457
mailto:gregoire.weber@switzerland.org


From bkc@murkworks.com  Sat Jul 14 21:50:45 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:50:45 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to edit Zclass Portal Content PropertySheets?
In-Reply-To: <20010705160813.L25562@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B507966.9387.4775FDC0@localhost>

I have a few zclasses, some with 5 or 6 propertysheets and views (with different rights)

I've rebased this to be based on CMFCore:PortalContent

Now I'm trying to figure out the best (ie, easiest) way to get these property sheets to 
look like they belong in a CMF edit screen.

I'd like to have management-like tabs on a single CMF Edit action page.. But I'd settle 
for just about anything that can produce CMF skinned propertysheet pages from my 
existing ZClass propertysheets without having me manually create view/edit methods 
for each sheet.

Can someone suggest how I can get Zclass property sheets to work correctly under 
CMF?  IE, instead of using  myObject/propertysheets/sheet1/manage ..





Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements



From marc@bowery.com  Sat Jul 14 23:33:20 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:33:20 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to edit Zclass Portal Content PropertySheets?
In-Reply-To: <3B507966.9387.4775FDC0@localhost>
Message-ID: <B77640F0.306D7%marc@bowery.com>

You are going to have to make your own skin methods... just take the code
from the property sheet editing forms, and jam it into something like the
metadata_edit_form....

> From: "Brad Clements" <bkc@murkworks.com>
> Organization: MurkWorks, Incorporated.
> 
> Can someone suggest how I can get Zclass property sheets to work correctly
> under 
> CMF?  IE, instead of using  myObject/propertysheets/sheet1/manage ..



From wilson@visi.com  Sun Jul 15 03:47:44 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:47:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Entering "Subjects" (are those Topics?)
In-Reply-To: <20010713102515.S27543@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107142142420.7228-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, seb bacon wrote:

> * Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010713 06:00]:
> > I've created a Topic object in the root of my CMF and put a sub-topic within
> > that. It would appear that the options listed in the "Subject" box when
> > adding content correspond to the various Topics. Is that correct? If so,
> > what do I have to do to start making item appear in the Subject selection
> > box?
> 
> No, the 'subject' items on the metadata edit form can either be one or
> more freeform keywords, or you can predefine them using the
> portal_metadata tool.  Depending on the strategy you want to follow,
> you might want to edit the source of the metadata_edit_form (you'll
> see some comments there regarding this).

I just found Tres's How-To on configuring the metadata tool. I think this
will get me
going. (http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/how_tos/configuring_metadata_tool)

This brings me back to my point about the need for some way of finding
content via browsing. The How-To's on Zope.org are an invaluable source of
documentation and they could be similarly important for the CMF. The CMF
site needs to categorize this content and present a page listing all the
How-To's that have been published. (Like Zope.org does.) (I realize there's
no pre-defined "How-To" content type on the CMF site.)

Presumably a lot of visitors don't try to find things by searching
alone. Not to mention the fact that search engines are largely useless to
persons (newbies) who don't know what they're searching for yet.

-Tim

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From marc@bowery.com  Sun Jul 15 06:15:16 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 01:15:16 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Entering "Subjects" (are those Topics?)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107142142420.7228-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <B7769F24.306F0%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com>
> 
> I just found Tres's How-To on configuring the metadata tool. I think this
> will get me
> going. (http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/how_tos/configuring_metadata_tool)

I have some stuff about metadata, check the link from my cmf page,
http://cmf.zope.org/Members/bowerymarc, as I went thru this with Subject
metadata (you could also go to the search page on the main zope site and
search the lists and check out the many threads on this subject)



From augusto@artlover.com  Sun Jul 15 10:34:04 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 04:34:04 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] 'Retracted' and 'Rejected' resource status
Message-ID: <3B51638C.5C360BBC@artlover.com>

When a contributor submit a new resource to publish, it's pretty clear
for the reviewer that he has pending resources to review. But what
happens when any of those are rejected? In the current CMF release that
resource resumes its private condition, but the contributor doesn't know
it until he finds out, by not seeing the document published, or by
opening it again. In  both cases, the contributor has to look after the
document.

At the reviewer's side, when a resource has been retracted by the owner,
the reviewer doesn't know it just the same way, at least until the owner
submits it again. Considering that the reviewer had previously
authorized its publication, it might be of his business to get to know
whether the documents are still published or not. 

This is where the "retracted" and "rejected" resource status are needed.
The reviewers should need to see, in adition to those who appear as
"pending", at least which are and how many documents are retracted, and
in my opinion, also which are and how many he has rejected, therefore
having the option to revaluate his previous decision. The contributors
at their turn ought to see their rejected material without looking after
them, as they might need to resubmit them the sooner the rejection
occurs; and also the retracted ones, because it could be possible that
he needs to resubmit the document and forget to do it, in the absence of
any status message warning their existence.

IMHO this is a framework-related request, because they're missing status
of existing actions. I swear I tried to dive into the code but guess I
must learn more about CMF's core and Python as well. Derived status like
"unpublish blocked", "asked for unpublish" or "pending resubmit",  seem
to be manageable trough skins or regular dtml stuff, if I'm not wrong.


What does the list think about this?



Ausum


From augusto@artlover.com  Sun Jul 15 14:17:38 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:17:38 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] 'Retracted' and 'Rejected' resource status
References: <3B51638C.5C360BBC@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <3B5197F2.7C1BD653@artlover.com>

All right. After installed the latest DCWorkflow from CVS, I would only
insist on this subject, with the default_workflow in mind, meaning the
'out of the box' experience  :)


Ausum 



I previously wrote:
> 
> When a contributor submit a new resource to publish, it's pretty clear
> for the reviewer that he has pending resources to review. But what
> happens when any of those are rejected? In the current CMF release that
> resource resumes its private condition, but the contributor doesn't know
> it until he finds out, by not seeing the document published, or by
> opening it again. In  both cases, the contributor has to look after the
> document.
> 

(...)


From bkc@murkworks.com  Sun Jul 15 22:05:06 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:05:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Manager gets Unauthorized from Zclass portal content and ZPT with Parsed XML
Message-ID: <3B51CE3E.7444.4CA97634@localhost>

This may be a bug..

I had a zclass with a few methods.

One of the methods is a DTML Document that uses a Parsed XML document (which 
also a method of the zclass) to dynamically generate javascript output.

A higher level ZPT calls the DTML Document.

When I used this class instance as just a ZClass, it worked fine.

However I've rebased the zclass to be based on ZObject, _ZClass_for_PortalContent, 
_ZClass_for_DefaultDublinCoreImpl .

Now, when logged into the CMF as manager (i'm defined in the root level acl_users), I 
get an Unauthorized exception when trying to traverse the DOM in the ParsedXML doc 
within the DTML Document called from the ZPT in the zclass instance.

Anyone have any ideas how to track this down? Also the same exception occurs if I 
change the DTML Document to a DTML Method

Versions

Zope 2.3.3 on RH Linux 7.1 

Page Templates 1.3.2

CMF-1.1  (says beta in version.txt that's a release bug I think)

ParsedXML 1.1b1

Here are some fragments.

-- the players --

CategoriesToJava  (DTML Method or Document fails either way)

Edit (Page Template)

Product Categories (Parsed XML)

-- some code --

Page Template (Edit)

<span tal:replace="structure  here/standard_html_header" />
<p tal:replace="structure here/CategoriesToJava"></p>
<p tal:replace="structure here/FormJavaScript"></p>

 snip ...

DTML Method (CategoriesToJava)

<dtml-in "ProductCategories.getElementsByTagName('Category')">


And the exception traceback

   Site Error
An error was encountered while publishing this resource. 

Unauthorized

You are not authorized to access ProductCategories. 
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/holmes/AdkWood/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in publish_module
  File /usr/holmes/AdkWood/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish
  File /usr/holmes/AdkWood/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish
  File /usr/holmes/AdkWood/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: Edit)
  File /usr/holmes/AdkWood/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in call_object
    (Object: Edit)
  File /usr/holmes/AdkWood/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 324, in __call__
    (Object: Edit)
  File /usr/holmes/AdkWood/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 354, in _bindAndExec
    (Object: Edit)
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/ZopePageTemplate.py, line 244, in _exec
    (Object: Edit)
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/PageTemplate.py, line 156, in pt_render
    (Object: Edit)
    (Info: {'container': <CompanyProduct instance at 87f0768>,
 'here': <CompanyProduct instance at 87f0768>,
 'modules': <Products.PageTemplates.ZPythonExpr._SecureModuleImporter instance at 8587098>,
 'nothing': None,
 'options': {'args': ()},
 'request': <h3>form</h3><table></table><h3>cookies</h3><table><tr valign="top" align="left"><th>zmi_use_css</th><td>'1'</td></tr><tr valign="top" align="left"><th>sql_pref__cols</th><td>'75'</td></tr><tr valign="top" align="left"><th>zmi_top_frame</th><td>'1'</td></tr><tr valign="top" align="lef
 'root': <Application instance at 87ffae8>,
 'template': <ZopePageTemplate instance at 8b69bf0>,
 'traverse_subpath': [],
 'user': bkc})
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, line 232, in __call__
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, line 265, in interpret
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, line 503, in do_insertStructure_tal
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/TALES.py, line 283, in evaluate
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/Expressions.py, line 213, in __call__
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/Expressions.py, line 210, in _eval
    (Info: here)
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/Expressions.py, line 146, in render
    (Object: CategoriesToJava)
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/ZPythonExpr.py, line 134, in call_with_ns
    (Object: CategoriesToJava)
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 182, in __call__
    (Object: CategoriesToJava)
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 540, in __call__
    (Object: CategoriesToJava)
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line 655, in renderwob
    (Object: ProductCategories.getElementsByTagName('Category'))
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 333, in eval
    (Object: ProductCategories.getElementsByTagName('Category'))
    (Info: ProductCategories)
  File /usr/holmes/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/ZPythonExpr.py, line 124, in validate
    (Object: DynamicType)
  File /usr/holmes/AdkWood/lib/python/AccessControl/SecurityManager.py, line 144, in validate
  File /usr/holmes/AdkWood/lib/python/AccessControl/ZopeSecurityPolicy.py, line 225, in validate
Unauthorized: (see above)



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From khine@btinternet.com  Sun Jul 15 22:33:20 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:33:20 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Error Type: SkinPathError
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOOEKCCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hello,
I just got a new checkout of the CMF and added CMFOptions 1.1, followed the
setup procedure as described by jeff
http://www.zope.org/Members/jeffsasmor/CMFOptions/CMFOptionsInstall

but when I got to step (3), I got this error

Error Type: SkinPathError
Error Value: Name not found: CMFOptions

and here is the traceback

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/ZOPE/2-4-0b3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223,
in publish_module
  File /usr/local/ZOPE/2-4-0b3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187,
in publish
  File /usr/local/ZOPE/2-4-0b3/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 226, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: SkinsContainer)
  File /usr/local/ZOPE/2-4-0b3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171,
in publish
  File /usr/local/ZOPE/2-4-0b3/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in
mapply
    (Object: manage_properties)
  File /usr/local/ZOPE/2-4-0b3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112,
in call_object
    (Object: manage_properties)
  File /usr/local/ZOPE/2-4-0b3/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/SkinsTool.py,
line 192, in manage_properties
    (Object: SkinsContainer)
  File /usr/local/ZOPE/2-4-0b3/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/SkinsTool.py,
line 233, in testSkinPath
    (Object: SkinsContainer)
  File /usr/local/Zope24/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/SkinsContainer.py, line
150, in getSkinByPath
    (Object: SkinsContainer)
SkinPathError: (see above)

and this is my setup


Zope Version	(unreleased version, python 2.1.0, freebsd4)
Python Version	2.1 (#1, Jun 2 2001, 10:12:16) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024
(release)]
System Platform	freebsd4

Many thanks

Norman

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From mehmety@auslin.com.au  Sun Jul 15 22:09:00 2001
From: mehmety@auslin.com.au (Mehmet Yousouf)
Date: 16 Jul 2001 07:09:00 +1000
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Virtual hosting of cmf
Message-ID: <995231340.27809.0.camel@theo.home>

Hi,
I've set up CMF and have it working, started modifying the default
(it'll be great when there is some documentation available) install.
Now my problem is (not major as I could arrange things differently,
but...) if I set up a cmf site with a virtualhostmonster, the links end
up showing the full path (http://foo.bar/virtual/this-site/whatever_page
as opposed to http://foo.bar/whatever_page). Is there a way to specify
links so they dont do this?

Regards, Mehmet  



From yokemay@apdip.net  Mon Jul 16 07:39:03 2001
From: yokemay@apdip.net (Yoke May Seow)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:39:03 +0800
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Create search for a folder
Message-ID: <000001c10dc2$024e7fc0$175ebbca@apdip.net>

Hi,

	How do I create a search criteria to enable me to search contents within a
folder?

Rgds,
Yoke May



From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 16 07:56:02 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 16 Jul 2001 08:56:02 +0200
Subject: Fw: [Zope-CMF] Boring CMF Product.
In-Reply-To: <010c01c10bb3$68d055e0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
References: <010c01c10bb3$68d055e0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
Message-ID: <87ae25tla5.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Robert Rottermann]

| I would sugest to split such a howto in chapters each one talking on
| on particular tool.

Sounds like an idea.

| This would mean to first scetch an "extensable" boring product.

Yes.  I can have one up and running with in a day or three.

| If you would detail me one of the parts, I would add one chapter.

Once I've got the product up and running (bells and whistles turned
on) we can look at what needs to be done on the documentation part.

Thanks! :)


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon Jul 16 08:18:30 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:18:30 +0200
Subject: Fw: [Zope-CMF] Boring CMF Product.
In-Reply-To: <87ae25tla5.fsf@thingamy.net>
References: <010c01c10bb3$68d055e0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky> <87ae25tla5.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <01071609183001.01702@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Monday 16 July 2001 08:56, you wrote:
> [Robert Rottermann]
>
> | I would sugest to split such a howto in chapters each one talking on
> | on particular tool.
>
> Sounds like an idea.
>
> | This would mean to first scetch an "extensable" boring product.
>
> Yes.  I can have one up and running with in a day or three.
>
> | If you would detail me one of the parts, I would add one chapter.
>
> Once I've got the product up and running (bells and whistles turned
> on) we can look at what needs to be done on the documentation part.
>
> Thanks! :)

I have been thinking of a CMF Book (something like the Zope Book).
It shouldn't cover the same aspects as the Zope Book does, but perhaps tell 
about all the things you need to be aware of when creating a "portal product".

Is this a good or a bad idea ?

Regards,

-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
If somebody (you? hint, hint) wants to do this, I'd be very happy --
I can do it myself, but because it's my birthday I'm supposed to
drag myself off the computer soon and be social, or Tove will be
grumpy. And you don't want Tove grumpy. 
	- Linus Torvalds


From aeamalik@yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 09:09:00 2001
From: aeamalik@yahoo.com (Amr Malik)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:09:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fw: [Zope-CMF] Boring CMF Product.
In-Reply-To: <01071609183001.01702@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <20010716080900.78726.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> wrote:

much good stuff snipped...

> 
> I have been thinking of a CMF Book (something like the Zope Book).
> It shouldn't cover the same aspects as the Zope Book does, but perhaps tell 
> about all the things you need to be aware of when creating a "portal
> product".
> 
> Is this a good or a bad idea ?

I'm just getting started with CMF, and the question is not directed to me,
but I'll just jump in anyway ..(in my usual idiom). In my newbie opinion,

                 ***    I think its an awesome idea!  ***

The 5th chapter from the BeeHive book is very
helpful too, Dunno if the ZWACK book uses CMF as the platform to build their
whole sample app or is it only just in that chapter that deals with CMF. But, 
the more the merrier! :)

-Amr

P.S. If you decide to go with a "zoo" metaphor, please include some leaping
lemurs in the cast! or maybe a couple of large swallows if possible hehehe..
(I would just as soon have a real world example though! ;) 


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From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul 16 10:21:06 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:21:06 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Virtual hosting of cmf
In-Reply-To: <995231340.27809.0.camel@theo.home>; from mehmety@auslin.com.au on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 07:09:00AM +1000
References: <995231340.27809.0.camel@theo.home>
Message-ID: <20010716102103.A17589@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Mehmet Yousouf <mehmety@auslin.com.au> [010716 05:11]:
> Hi,
> I've set up CMF and have it working, started modifying the default
> (it'll be great when there is some documentation available) install.
> Now my problem is (not major as I could arrange things differently,
> but...) if I set up a cmf site with a virtualhostmonster, the links end
> up showing the full path (http://foo.bar/virtual/this-site/whatever_page
> as opposed to http://foo.bar/whatever_page). Is there a way to specify
> links so they dont do this?

Yes, with a a strategic insertion of a VirtualHostBase into the URL.
It's there in the documentation for the VirtualHostMonster - just
click on a monster you've already added and it tells you all about it.

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul 16 10:48:02 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:48:02 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Documentation / audiences (was Boring CMF Product)
In-Reply-To: <01071609183001.01702@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>; from gitte@mmmanager.org on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 09:18:30AM +0200
References: <010c01c10bb3$68d055e0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky> <87ae25tla5.fsf@thingamy.net> <01071609183001.01702@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <20010716104801.B17589@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> [010716 08:25]:
> On Monday 16 July 2001 08:56, you wrote:
> > [Robert Rottermann]
> >
> > | I would sugest to split such a howto in chapters each one talking on
> > | on particular tool.
> >
> > Sounds like an idea.
> >
> > | This would mean to first scetch an "extensable" boring product.
> >
> > Yes.  I can have one up and running with in a day or three.
> >
> > | If you would detail me one of the parts, I would add one chapter.
> >
> > Once I've got the product up and running (bells and whistles turned
> > on) we can look at what needs to be done on the documentation part.
> >
> > Thanks! :)
> 
> I have been thinking of a CMF Book (something like the Zope Book).
> It shouldn't cover the same aspects as the Zope Book does, but perhaps tell 
> about all the things you need to be aware of when creating a "portal product".
> 
> Is this a good or a bad idea ?

I think this is an excellent idea.  I've been thinking a lot about
audiences lately, and feel that it's very important to identify and
prioritise the different possible targets for documentation, before
getting stuck into actually writing it.

It strikes me that there is a gaping hole in the CMF, between TTW site 
creation, and Product-based site creationl.  The distinction could be
phrased in a number of ways:

 technical focus - business focus
 python - dtml
 interfaces - implementation
 resources to develop custom system - no resources
 'zope zen' - beginner

The presentation of the framework is currently very
PythonProductDeveloper (PPD) oriented.  It comes down firmly in the
first column.  This is, overall, a good thing.  It's still a young
product and I'm happy that the focus is on interfaces rather than
implementation.  It gives me confidence that the CMF will be able to
grow into a complex system with the minimum of pain.

So, the CMF is driven by (excellent) technical design considerations,
and is at core a set of interfaces.  The CMFDefault is just one
implementation of these interfaces.  I think most newcomers to the CMF don't
understand this, and want to be able to build any site using the
CMFDefault, which is really not suited to the kind of template-driven
CMS which many people are apparently after.

So my point is, at whom should the documentation be addressed?  Those
with the greatest need are those in the right hand column, but I don't
feel documentation of a set of interfaces and an example
implementation is what they really need at the moment.  Rather, I
think the community should be building more CMF-based systems which
can be used to solve standard business problems out of the box - then
we should document them.  An example is Ausum's (and others') points
about refining the DefaultWorkflow.  His ideas are absolutely right,
but where do they belong?  The CMFDefault is designed to solve the
zope.org membership / content creation problem.  Should it be extended
with new ideas which might be aimed at solving other problems?  Which
problems are we trying to solve anyway?

With the CMF as it stands at the moment, the two possible focuses for
documentation are

  1) PPD documentation
  2) CMFDefault TTW documentation (a user's manual)

Apart from this, I'd like to see a push towards 

  1) defining the common business problems we think can be solved with
     the cmf
  2) implmenting solutions :-)

It would be great, for example, if there was a standard place for
finding new workflows, plus some instructions on how to install them.
Then we could move towards case studies showing how various CMF
components can be assembled to create the right solution.

I'd better stop before this email gets too long.  Does this strike a
chord with anyone else?

And just one other quick point: did anyone say what was wrong with
building on CMFCalendar as an example product?  That's what it was
made for originally.

cheers

seb







From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul 16 10:50:52 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:50:52 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] 'Retracted' and 'Rejected' resource status
In-Reply-To: <3B51638C.5C360BBC@artlover.com>; from augusto@artlover.com on Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 04:34:04AM -0500
References: <3B51638C.5C360BBC@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <20010716105050.C17589@lenin.jamkit.com>

< snip ideas about more states in the workflow >
> What does the list think about this?

I think you're absolutely right.  Now you've found DCWorkflow,
hopefully you can better understand how to implement your ideas?

See my other rambling mail about documentation for how I think any
changes should be shared in the community.   

seb


From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 16 10:31:30 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 16 Jul 2001 11:31:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Documentation / audiences (was Boring CMF Product)
In-Reply-To: <20010716104801.B17589@lenin.jamkit.com>
References: <010c01c10bb3$68d055e0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
 <87ae25tla5.fsf@thingamy.net>
 <01071609183001.01702@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
 <20010716104801.B17589@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <87snfxqky5.fsf@thingamy.net>

[seb bacon]

| So my point is, at whom should the documentation be addressed?

I spent about three days grokking CMF.  I would've liked to grokked it
in half an hour.  With a Boring Product and an accompanying How-To
that would've been possible.  Ok, maybe not half an hour, but at least
not a full days effort.  (Maybe I'm slow, I don't know :)

So, speaking from my own perspective: the documentation I write will
be addressed to people in my situation; PPD's.

| And just one other quick point: did anyone say what was wrong with
| building on CMFCalendar as an example product?

The problem, if there is one, as I see it is that CMFCalendar is
intended to be integrated into a bigger workflow.  It has a mission in
CMFDefault.  To understand CMFCalendar it is important to understand
how it is intended to be used, so you know what all the stach is there
for.

A Boring Product shouldn't do the world any good, whatsoever, besides
exposing the interfaces to a developer.

The most important thing the CMFCalendar is lacking, though, is an
accompanying How-To, explaining (sometimes implicit intricacies) of
the interfaces available.  From a PPD's point-of-view, that's what I
feel the CMF is missing.


From timhoffman@cams.wa.gov.au  Mon Jul 16 10:32:48 2001
From: timhoffman@cams.wa.gov.au (Tim Hoffman)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:32:48 +0800
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ?how to override default content-type when putting files with FTP
Message-ID: <3B52B4C0.2020707@cams.wa.gov.au>

Hi

I am building a CMF site, with a number of customized (ZClass based for 
the moment)
Portal content types.

I will need to bulk upload images (which have a new Portal type based on 
CMFOptions ExtImage)
which I am calling ArtWorkMedia, the parent Folder is ArtWorkFolder.
ArtWorkFolder is defined to only allows content-types of ArtWorkMedia and
ArtWorkMediaThumbnail, however when I upload images into an ArtWorkFolder
they are uploaded as Portal Image, which is pretty much what I expected 
(though I half expected
an error).

Obviously I have to override the default behaviour/portal_type for the 
images uploaded by ftp/webdav
 but I am having trouble working out how/where I can/should do this.

Could someone give me a pointer.

Thanks

Tim Hoffman



From vaulnette@yahoo.fr  Mon Jul 16 11:03:18 2001
From: vaulnette@yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?q?Val=E9rie=20Aulnette?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:03:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Overloading method
Message-ID: <20010716100318.97307.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi ! 

I would like to overload the methods addDocument,
addFile, addNewsItem... in CMFDefault but I can't
manage doing it as they doesn't belong to a class.

What could you suggest me to do ?

Thank you..
Valérie.

___________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!? -- Vos albums photos en ligne, 
Yahoo! Photos : http://fr.photos.yahoo.com


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul 16 11:29:13 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:29:13 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Documentation / audiences (was Boring CMF Product)
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHGEOBCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

seb wrote -

> And just one other quick point: did anyone say what was wrong with
> building on CMFCalendar as an example product?  That's what it was
> made for originally.

There's also the Portal Poll Product Tutorial -
http://cmf.zope.org/Members/davew/PortalStuff/PortalPollTutorial

Cheers, Jon



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon Jul 16 11:32:10 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:32:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Documentation / audiences (was Boring CMF Product)
In-Reply-To: <87snfxqky5.fsf@thingamy.net>
References: <010c01c10bb3$68d055e0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky> <20010716104801.B17589@lenin.jamkit.com> <87snfxqky5.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <01071612321006.01702@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Monday 16 July 2001 11:31, you wrote:
> [seb bacon]
>
> | So my point is, at whom should the documentation be addressed?
>
> I spent about three days grokking CMF.  I would've liked to grokked it
> in half an hour.  With a Boring Product and an accompanying How-To
> that would've been possible.  Ok, maybe not half an hour, but at least
> not a full days effort.  (Maybe I'm slow, I don't know :)

Well I have spent very long time in order to understand Zope and CMF so no - 
I don't think you are slow :-)

> So, speaking from my own perspective: the documentation I write will
> be addressed to people in my situation; PPD's.
>
> | And just one other quick point: did anyone say what was wrong with
> | building on CMFCalendar as an example product?
>
> The problem, if there is one, as I see it is that CMFCalendar is
> intended to be integrated into a bigger workflow.  It has a mission in
> CMFDefault.  To understand CMFCalendar it is important to understand
> how it is intended to be used, so you know what all the stach is there
> for.

Well I have had great use of the Calendar Product (or just the Event module) 
in order to create a customized Live event product. It worked very well for 
me to have this module as a "background" but now my Live event product is 
dependant on the Calendar product. Another thing is that the code wasn't well 
documented so it made a little harder - but it is possible.

I have also - before I knew anbout the Type attribute - made a "copy" of the 
Document product and created a documentation type.

> A Boring Product shouldn't do the world any good, whatsoever, besides
> exposing the interfaces to a developer.

My thoughts exactly - but in a way that is what the calendar product does.

Regards,


From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 16 11:32:46 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 16 Jul 2001 12:32:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Documentation / audiences (was Boring CMF Product)
In-Reply-To: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHGEOBCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHGEOBCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <877kx9qi41.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Jon Edwards]

| There's also the Portal Poll Product Tutorial -
| http://cmf.zope.org/Members/davew/PortalStuff/PortalPollTutorial

Gives me a Site Error; Resource not found.


From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 16 11:45:07 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 16 Jul 2001 12:45:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Documentation / audiences (was Boring CMF Product)
In-Reply-To: <877kx9qi41.fsf@thingamy.net>
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHGEOBCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
 <877kx9qi41.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <87y9ppp2z0.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Erik Enge]

| [Jon Edwards]
| 
| | There's also the Portal Poll Product Tutorial -
| | http://cmf.zope.org/Members/davew/PortalStuff/PortalPollTutorial
| 
| Gives me a Site Error; Resource not found.
 
Oops.  My bad.  I logged in, and everything is working.  Or I did some
other little nit-bit to mess it up.  Whatever :)


From paul@digicool.com  Mon Jul 16 11:51:17 2001
From: paul@digicool.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 06:51:17 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Documentation / audiences (was Boring CMF Product)
In-Reply-To: <20010716104801.B17589@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <B7783F65.18719%paul@digicool.com>

On 7/16/01 5:48 AM, "seb bacon" <seb@jamkit.com> wrote:

>> Gitte (I think) wrote:
>> I have been thinking of a CMF Book (something like the Zope Book).
>> It shouldn't cover the same aspects as the Zope Book does, but perhaps tell
>> about all the things you need to be aware of when creating a "portal
>> product".
>> 
>> Is this a good or a bad idea ?

I also think this is a good idea.  In fact, I'd strengthen it and say,
instead of "like the Zope Book", just make the CMF a section of the Zope
Book.

The Zope Book (ZB) is meant to be a living creature that is updated before
every new Zope release goes out.  We at DC are committed to this.  The CMF
is likely on its track to the same kind of status.  This means that the work
done by us over here in the CMF can be "maintained" once written by a group
that includes the DC documentation team (Amos and Michel).

I've already talked with Amos about this.  He thinks it's a fine idea to
extend the two books (Zope Book and Zope Developers Guide) with sections of
chapters to cover the CMF for the two audiences.  We then won't have to
argue about machinery, etc.  Downside is that the ZB and ZDG don't use the
CMF or Zope for authoring, they use CVS.  But being pretty ruthless about
it, the point is writing docs not choosing tools.

> I think this is an excellent idea.  I've been thinking a lot about
> audiences lately, and feel that it's very important to identify and
> prioritise the different possible targets for documentation, before
> getting stuck into actually writing it.

The work on the ZB and ZDG tried to standardize audience jargon a bit, so
perhaps we could leverage that.  I'm in 100% agreement on the need.

> It strikes me that there is a gaping hole in the CMF, between TTW site
> creation, and Product-based site creationl.  The distinction could be
> phrased in a number of ways:
> 
> technical focus - business focus
> python - dtml
> interfaces - implementation
> resources to develop custom system - no resources
> 'zope zen' - beginner

I think there's an continuum of audiences (I might not have the jargon from
the Zope Book right):

  business decisionmaker -> content author -> site designer -> site
  developer -> component developer -> site administrator

> The presentation of the framework is currently very

Agreed.  I had some half-done material for a CMF Reviewer's Guide and some
other stuff.  Shoulda finished it. :^(

> PythonProductDeveloper (PPD) oriented.  It comes down firmly in the
> first column.  This is, overall, a good thing.  It's still a young
> product and I'm happy that the focus is on interfaces rather than
> implementation.  It gives me confidence that the CMF will be able to
> grow into a complex system with the minimum of pain.
> 
> So, the CMF is driven by (excellent) technical design considerations,
> and is at core a set of interfaces.  The CMFDefault is just one
> implementation of these interfaces.  I think most newcomers to the CMF don't
> understand this, and want to be able to build any site using the
> CMFDefault, which is really not suited to the kind of template-driven
> CMS which many people are apparently after.

I agree that this is an important point and isn't emphasized enough.  Some
feel this point is one of the top 5 business things about the CMF -- instead
of being *your* CMS, it lets you quickly adapt or build your CMS.

Stated a different way...with Interwoven etc., you pay a bunch of money and
get their CMS.  If you spend a bunch of more money, you can turn it into
*your* CMS.  Ours is designed to quickly and cheaply build *your* CMS.

At least that's the theory. :^)

> So my point is, at whom should the documentation be addressed?  Those
> with the greatest need are those in the right hand column, but I don't
> feel documentation of a set of interfaces and an example
> implementation is what they really need at the moment.  Rather, I

I agree that this isn't the greatest need.

> think the community should be building more CMF-based systems which
> can be used to solve standard business problems out of the box - then
> we should document them.  An example is Ausum's (and others') points
> about refining the DefaultWorkflow.  His ideas are absolutely right,
> but where do they belong?  The CMFDefault is designed to solve the
> zope.org membership / content creation problem.  Should it be extended
> with new ideas which might be aimed at solving other problems?  Which
> problems are we trying to solve anyway?

Bingo, you're hitting the documentation nail on the head.  Which problems
does the CMF solve, and who does it solve them for?

> With the CMF as it stands at the moment, the two possible focuses for
> documentation are
> 
> 1) PPD documentation
> 2) CMFDefault TTW documentation (a user's manual)

I think there's a third piece, which is the 20,000ft (or 7km :^) view.  What
can this thing do?  I'm willing to start writing a series of Zope.org
spotlight articles on the kinds of problems CMF solves for content authors
and site developers.  Starting with: what is content management?

If we decided to do this a section of chapters for the Zope Book, then this
might be the first chapter.

> Apart from this, I'd like to see a push towards
> 
> 1) defining the common business problems we think can be solved with
>    the cmf

Right, that's the problem domain of the survey chapter I was thinking about
starting.

> 2) implmenting solutions :-)
> 
> It would be great, for example, if there was a standard place for
> finding new workflows, plus some instructions on how to install them.
> Then we could move towards case studies showing how various CMF
> components can be assembled to create the right solution.

Ohh, _installation_, now you wanna bring *that* up. :^)

--Paul



From paul@digicool.com  Mon Jul 16 11:52:59 2001
From: paul@digicool.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 06:52:59 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Documentation / audiences (was Boring CMF Product)
Message-ID: <B7783FCA.1871A%paul@digicool.com>

On 7/16/01 5:48 AM, "seb bacon" <seb@jamkit.com> wrote:

>> Gitte (I think) wrote:
>> I have been thinking of a CMF Book (something like the Zope Book).
>> It shouldn't cover the same aspects as the Zope Book does, but perhaps tell
>> about all the things you need to be aware of when creating a "portal
>> product".
>> 
>> Is this a good or a bad idea ?

I also think this is a good idea.  In fact, I'd strengthen it and say,
instead of "like the Zope Book", just make the CMF a section of the Zope
Book.

The Zope Book (ZB) is meant to be a living creature that is updated before
every new Zope release goes out.  We at DC are committed to this.  The CMF
is likely on its track to the same kind of status.  This means that the work
done by us over here in the CMF can be "maintained" once written by a group
that includes the DC documentation team (Amos and Michel).

I've already talked with Amos about this.  He thinks it's a fine idea to
extend the two books (Zope Book and Zope Developers Guide) with sections of
chapters to cover the CMF for the two audiences.  We then won't have to
argue about machinery, etc.  Downside is that the ZB and ZDG don't use the
CMF or Zope for authoring, they use CVS.  But being pretty ruthless about
it, the point is writing docs not choosing tools.

> I think this is an excellent idea.  I've been thinking a lot about
> audiences lately, and feel that it's very important to identify and
> prioritise the different possible targets for documentation, before
> getting stuck into actually writing it.

The work on the ZB and ZDG tried to standardize audience jargon a bit, so
perhaps we could leverage that.  I'm in 100% agreement on the need.

> It strikes me that there is a gaping hole in the CMF, between TTW site
> creation, and Product-based site creationl.  The distinction could be
> phrased in a number of ways:
> 
> technical focus - business focus
> python - dtml
> interfaces - implementation
> resources to develop custom system - no resources
> 'zope zen' - beginner

I think there's an continuum of audiences (I might not have the jargon from
the Zope Book right):

  business decisionmaker -> content author -> site designer -> site
  developer -> component developer -> site administrator

> The presentation of the framework is currently very

Agreed.  I had some half-done material for a CMF Reviewer's Guide and some
other stuff.  Shoulda finished it. :^(

> PythonProductDeveloper (PPD) oriented.  It comes down firmly in the
> first column.  This is, overall, a good thing.  It's still a young
> product and I'm happy that the focus is on interfaces rather than
> implementation.  It gives me confidence that the CMF will be able to
> grow into a complex system with the minimum of pain.
> 
> So, the CMF is driven by (excellent) technical design considerations,
> and is at core a set of interfaces.  The CMFDefault is just one
> implementation of these interfaces.  I think most newcomers to the CMF don't
> understand this, and want to be able to build any site using the
> CMFDefault, which is really not suited to the kind of template-driven
> CMS which many people are apparently after.

I agree that this is an important point and isn't emphasized enough.  Some
feel this point is one of the top 5 business things about the CMF -- instead
of being *your* CMS, it lets you quickly adapt or build your CMS.

Stated a different way...with Interwoven etc., you pay a bunch of money and
get their CMS.  If you spend a bunch of more money, you can turn it into
*your* CMS.  Ours is designed to quickly and cheaply build *your* CMS.

At least that's the theory. :^)

> So my point is, at whom should the documentation be addressed?  Those
> with the greatest need are those in the right hand column, but I don't
> feel documentation of a set of interfaces and an example
> implementation is what they really need at the moment.  Rather, I

I agree that this isn't the greatest need.

> think the community should be building more CMF-based systems which
> can be used to solve standard business problems out of the box - then
> we should document them.  An example is Ausum's (and others') points
> about refining the DefaultWorkflow.  His ideas are absolutely right,
> but where do they belong?  The CMFDefault is designed to solve the
> zope.org membership / content creation problem.  Should it be extended
> with new ideas which might be aimed at solving other problems?  Which
> problems are we trying to solve anyway?

Bingo, you're hitting the documentation nail on the head.  Which problems
does the CMF solve, and who does it solve them for?

> With the CMF as it stands at the moment, the two possible focuses for
> documentation are
> 
> 1) PPD documentation
> 2) CMFDefault TTW documentation (a user's manual)

I think there's a third piece, which is the 20,000ft (or 7km :^) view.  What
can this thing do?  I'm willing to start writing a series of Zope.org
spotlight articles on the kinds of problems CMF solves for content authors
and site developers.  Starting with: what is content management?

If we decided to do this a section of chapters for the Zope Book, then this
might be the first chapter.

> Apart from this, I'd like to see a push towards
> 
> 1) defining the common business problems we think can be solved with
>    the cmf

Right, that's the problem domain of the survey chapter I was thinking about
starting.

> 2) implmenting solutions :-)
> 
> It would be great, for example, if there was a standard place for
> finding new workflows, plus some instructions on how to install them.
> Then we could move towards case studies showing how various CMF
> components can be assembled to create the right solution.

Ohh, _installation_, now you wanna bring *that* up. :^)

--Paul



From arkaitz@euskalcom.net  Mon Jul 16 12:54:40 2001
From: arkaitz@euskalcom.net (Arkaitz Bitorika)
Date: 16 Jul 2001 13:54:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] relative URLs in STX
Message-ID: <995284482.1225.32.camel@basajaun>

Hi,

I=B4m trying to use relative URLs in structured text documents, and I've
found a problem with them. I have a folder tree like
mySite/folder1/folder2/doc, where "doc" is a Document object, and I try
to create a link to "doc" in the description field of folder2 with:
	"The document":doc.
This renders to something like <a href=3D"doc">The document</a>.

So far so good, but when clicking in the "The document" link while
viewing "folder2", the browser links to mySite/folder1/doc, instead of
mySite/folder1/folder2/doc. Why is this?=20

In the html page, the "base" tags seems to be correct, pointing to
mySite/folder1/folder2, but the browser doesn't seem to care. If I
change the STX to be
	"The document":folder2/doc
everything works fine, but I don't like it as it is highly unintuitive
for the content writers to use.

Cheers,
Arkaitz.




From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul 16 13:57:27 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:57:27 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Documentation / audiences (was Boring CMF Product)
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHCEOFCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

> I think there's an continuum of audiences (I might not have the jargon
from
> the Zope Book right):
>
>  business decisionmaker -> content author -> site designer -> site
>  developer -> component developer -> site administrator

This is just nit-picking, but I'd see this as a circle, rather than a
straight line! :-)

Same principle with the marketing/advocacy ideas - there's lots of
decision-influencers, all feeding opinions to each other round the circle.
If you find positives to feed to all of them, it becomes a virtuous
circle/spiral, in your favour. If you miss one group out, the circle breaks!

Anyway enough waffle, count me in (time permitting) as a contributor,
tending towards the less-technical side, but learning fast - and there's
nothing like writing training/documentation to increase your own knowledge!

Cheers, Jon



From fm@synchrologic.com  Mon Jul 16 14:06:08 2001
From: fm@synchrologic.com (Frank McGeough)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:06:08 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Answer to syntax error problems with CMF
References: <B7783F65.18719%paul@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <005601c10df8$14552760$c7010a0a@mcgeough>

I finally discovered why I was getting syntax errors with CMF files ---
where files had cr/lf instead of just lf. There have been a few posts to the
list about this so I would imagine some other people ran into the same
trouble. The extraction program that I'm using on my Windows box is Winzip.
Click on the Options menu, and pick Configuration. Click on the
Miscellaneous tab. Uncheck the "TAR file smart CR/LF expansion" and you'll
have a much happier installation. Hope this helps others that have run into
this. This is another one of those that might belong in an FAQ given the
popularity of the Winzip program.

Frank McGeough



From augusto@artlover.com  Mon Jul 16 15:53:58 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:53:58 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Dublin Core's Relation implementation
References: <3B4B8DD3.446346B4@artlover.com> <20010711093918.F21871@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4CA077.1EEABA8F@artlover.com> <20010712095447.F24387@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B530006.BFCC0AB7@artlover.com>

Thanks, Seb, for your answer.

After reading Ken's proposal, the whole concept is now clearer to me.
(Although I still need help with the code) :)
When I started to investigate the Portal existing tools, months ago, I
realized that besides the high-end suites, there weren't good CMS
solutions who could manage well all the concepts we were aiming to bring
to reality. 

One of those concepts was a replication of the "related content" boxes
found at good news portal. Autonomy does it through Story Server, and I
got pleasantly surprised by its refinement. (Actually I didn't try Story
Server, but I did Kenjin, a discontinued and pretty smart small app that
used to find related internet/hard_disk links from whatever windows
application you had in front.) Maybe it wasn't true AI, but it was very
close.

OrganizationObjects seem to englobe more possible situations regarding
more relation cases between portal objects. If I understood it well, 
OObjects would retain relational information between objects, would
gather the changes from objects currently related through them, and
provide searching, organization and navigational tools. With a
Wiki-oriented concern as a background, it considers not only the
relationship between threaded objects, but all other relationships as
well. My contribution to this subject is simple. I would like to suggest
a conceptual abstraction that would lead us more to a complex object
model, instead of a new object type.

If we compare every content object to a person, we would notice that
every object ought have parents and grandparents, right? Our
object/people element would also have children as expected, and this
would be our way of understanding linear inheritances. But wait, this
object lives in a real world and it's for sure that it has more
relatives. It could have brothers, cousins, friends, known people, by
example. At their turn its parents have their own cluster of relatives,
and the same would happen even for the remotest relative or friend, just
like the real world at wich everyone of us is unique. Is there something
more appropiate for an object-relation model? 

What happens when you want to find a remote cousin? Do you start to look
for him, or just ask to your parents, trying to find out more about the
big picture of its remote condition? My personal answer is number 2, and
it's the core of my idea: Every content object should know who it is,
who its parents are, who are their immediate relatives/friends, and some
idea of their children's friends. This is basic information that every
object should have (some of wich is automatically acquired) as this is
the starting point to any future complex relationships. You don't need
to tell everybody that you are moving from town, you just need to tell
one of your relatives, who will store the information until requested,
or propagate it immediately to the family. Notice that "my family", "my
closest friends", or "my unborn nephews" are all results of queries
(persistent or not), and not object by themselves.

Is this a valid comparison? My supossition is that this would be a
friendlier algorithm to the "everything-related-to-everything" current
requirement, as there would be no need to deal with more objects. The
hard side, I guess, is that the content object itself might have to
store more than just metadata, as it might need to store automatically
changed, dynamic criteria for the task of looking for other relatives,
and context-dependable logic to store new data from them, as well. 

This is just a first approach. Any comments?  :)




Ausum




  






seb bacon wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> * Ausum <augusto@artlover.com> [010711 19:52]:
> > Just after posting my previous message I read more about this subject.
> > If I'm not wrong, it looks like DC's Relation element is still a work in
> > progress, and that a simple identifier (URL, URN, etc) is recommended
> > for this label, by the DCMI.
> >
> > I think that within the context of the CMF, the Relation element, IMHO,
> > should be understood as one object's engine, and not just as a
> > collection of identifiers.
> 
> Yes, I would have guessed that the best way of doing the Relation
> element would be to dynamically generate it using something like ken's
> OrganisationObjects[1], since URIs are liable to change.
> 
> > Your idea, Seb, is good, but I think that
> > without the aid of artificial intelligence tools (which high-end CMSs do
> > have), every related resource must be found after an adjusted search, at
> > a per-object basis.
> 
> When you say 'artificial intelligence' are you referring to things
> like Autonomy?  Autonomy make a big song and dance about their Dynamic
> Reasoning Engine, but really it's just a decent search engine with
> automatic document retrieval and index discovery.  Ultimately, you're
> always looking at an 'adjusted search' of some kind.  And as I
> mentioned, a Topic *is* just a catalog search.
> 
> > As I see it (considering all the previous), a good
> > "related info" box should contain "stuck", previouly approved resources,
> > and "floating" resources as well. And all this seem to need a user
> > interface.
> >
> > So the question still remains. How would you attach a Portal Topic to a
> > portal resource, as metadata?
> 
> If I understand you correctly, you want to be able to have a list
> which is made up both of dynamically retrieved, query-based data, and
> a manually updated list.  Topics won't give you this, since they are
> basically catalog queries, and that's it.
> 
> In order to add static references to objects which are liable to move
> at any point, you'll need to implement some kind of reference
> storage.  This could be a catalog which indexes objects by a unique
> identifier, or something more sophisticated which plays with the
> not-yet-developed EventsTool.  Or wait for an OrganisationObjects
> implementation ;-)
> 
> For the query part, you could add a Topic to the
> DefaultDublinCoreImpl, and move the elements of its interface over
> into the metadata_edit_form.  You'd add a couple of get and set
> methods, the get method returning the results of the topic's catalog
> query.  I can't think of a simple way of doing it off the top of my
> head.  I'd be tempted to ignore Topics and write my own version.
> Hopefully someone else will have a better idea :-)
> 
> seb
> 
> [1] http://cmf.zope.org/rqmts/proposals/OrganizationObjects
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests


From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon Jul 16 15:58:06 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:58:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to save extra data with CMF-object
In-Reply-To: <20010713101710.Q27543@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161053150.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, seb bacon wrote:

> * Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com> [010712 23:16]:
> > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Robert Rottermann wrote:
> > 
> > > Do I have to "misuse" one of the standard metadata fields I
> > > do not need, or is there an other way to go.
> 
> < snip >
> 
> > It turns out that CMFDefault.DefaultDublinCoreImpl derives
> > (for unknown reasons) from PropertyManager;  therefore, virtually
> > all content objects can have custom properties added to them!
> > 
> > As to whether this is a Good Thing (tm), I am of a divided mind.
> > I can't see any reason that DDCI *needs* to have such a base
> > class, but it does make "quick-and-dirty" custom schema simple.
> 
> What are the arguments for / against, in your mind?

PropertyManager is somewhat icky from the perspective of
maintainability:

 - It is a "flat" namespace;  in fact, it stores properties in the
   as normal Python attributes of the instance.

 - The schema has to be set "programatically", which means that
   updating older instances it hard.

 - One can't look at a central location (e.g., the Python class,
   or ZClass, or the type object) to determine the schema for all
   objects of a given type.
 
> I guess one Bad Thing is that the PropertyManager is not very
> OOP-minded / NewReligionesque; however, to encapsulate it a bit
> better, it wouldn't be very difficult to add getPropertyFor() and
> setPropertyFor() methods to the PropertiesTool, perhaps?

That would fix the cosmetics (exposing PropertyManager), but not
the more substantive issues.

Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon Jul 16 16:01:12 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:01:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to save extra data with CMF-object
In-Reply-To: <3B4F2A31.2738E764@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161059070.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Ausum wrote:

> Please let me ask this way:
> Would the added custom properties be catalogaware?

They would be "catalogable";  'CatalogAware' was a base class
which tried to assure that instances got catalogued on creation.

> If not, what should we do to turn them so?

You would need to add indexes to the catalog.

> Bill Anderson wrote:
> > 
> > On 12 Jul 2001 19:53:28 -0400, marc lindahl wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com>
> > > >
> > > > It turns out that CMFDefault.DefaultDublinCoreImpl
> > > > derives (for unknown reasons) from PropertyManager;
> > > > therefore, virtually all content objects can have custom
> > > > properties added to them!
> > >
> > > Would that also mean they're automatically indexed in
> > > catalog too?
> > 
> > No. not as far as I would guess. For soemthing to be indexed,
> > the catalog needs to know about it. If you added it to the
> > catalog, then I would hazard to say that it would participate
> > in the cataloging. I should ba able to report the veracity of
> > said guess tonight (MST).

Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon Jul 16 16:06:30 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:06:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to edit Zclass Portal Content PropertySheets?
In-Reply-To: <3B507966.9387.4775FDC0@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161103360.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Brad Clements wrote:

> I have a few zclasses, some with 5 or 6 propertysheets and
> views (with different rights)
> 
> I've rebased this to be based on CMFCore:PortalContent
> 
> Now I'm trying to figure out the best (ie, easiest) way to get
> these property sheets to look like they belong in a CMF edit
> screen.
> 
> I'd like to have management-like tabs on a single CMF Edit
> action page.. But I'd settle for just about anything that can
> produce CMF skinned propertysheet pages from my existing ZClass
> propertysheets without having me manually create view/edit
> methods for each sheet.
> 
> Can someone suggest how I can get Zclass property sheets to
> work correctly under CMF?  IE, instead of using
> myObject/propertysheets/sheet1/manage ..

In the "Methods" tab of your ZClass, try creating an "edit"
PropertySheetInterface for each property sheet.  Replace the
ZMI header / footer with a standard one, and cut / paste into
your skins.  Update the ACTION of the form to post to a Python
script which calls 'manage_changePropertes' and redirects to
HTTP_REFERRER.  Voila!

Tres.
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Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon Jul 16 16:11:31 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:11:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ?how to override default content-type when putting
 files with FTP
In-Reply-To: <3B52B4C0.2020707@cams.wa.gov.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161108070.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Tim Hoffman wrote:

> I am building a CMF site, with a number of customized (ZClass
> based for the moment) Portal content types.
> 
> I will need to bulk upload images (which have a new Portal type
> based on CMFOptions ExtImage) which I am calling ArtWorkMedia,
> the parent Folder is ArtWorkFolder.  ArtWorkFolder is defined
> to only allows content-types of ArtWorkMedia and
> ArtWorkMediaThumbnail, however when I upload images into an
> ArtWorkFolder they are uploaded as Portal Image, which is
> pretty much what I expected (though I half expected an error).
> 
> Obviously I have to override the default behaviour/portal_type
> for the images uploaded by ftp/webdav but I am having trouble
> working out how/where I can/should do this.
> 
> Could someone give me a pointer.

You can customize the PUT handling of a folder by adding a
ContentTypeRegistry object to it, and then configuring it to
convert PUTs with Content-type='image/*' to your ArtWorkMedia
class.

Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon Jul 16 16:19:45 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:19:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Answer to syntax error problems with CMF
In-Reply-To: <005601c10df8$14552760$c7010a0a@mcgeough>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161112020.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Frank McGeough wrote:

> I finally discovered why I was getting syntax errors with CMF
> files --- where files had cr/lf instead of just lf. There have
> been a few posts to the list about this so I would imagine some
> other people ran into the same trouble. The extraction program
> that I'm using on my Windows box is Winzip.  Click on the
> Options menu, and pick Configuration. Click on the
> Miscellaneous tab. Uncheck the "TAR file smart CR/LF expansion"
> and you'll have a much happier installation. Hope this helps
> others that have run into this. This is another one of those
> that might belong in an FAQ given the popularity of the Winzip
> program.

I'm glad you were able to run down the cause of the problem;
thanks very much for reporting it!  I'll add a note to the
INSTALL docs explaining it.

Tres.
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From marc@bowery.com  Mon Jul 16 16:22:18 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:22:18 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] relative URLs in STX
In-Reply-To: <995284482.1225.32.camel@basajaun>
Message-ID: <B7787EEA.307FC%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Arkaitz Bitorika <arkaitz@euskalcom.net>
>
> to create a link to "doc" in the description field of folder2 with:
> "The document":doc.
> This renders to something like <a href="doc">The document</a>.

That's where the problem (IMO) is.  Supposedly STX is supposed to 'shield'
the author from the delivery format -- html, pdf, etc. -- which means they
shouldn't be savvy on the particulars of html.  One of which (emphasized
everywhere else within Zope, in fact) is to return absolute urls for href's,
img's, etc. (to aid caching).  If the page was DTML, this would be the
behavior.  Why don't those references in STX follow normal Zope acquisition
rules?  </rant>






From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul 16 16:26:14 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:26:14 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Dublin Core's Relation implementation
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHCEOHCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Ausum wrote -

> My contribution to this subject is simple. I would like to suggest
> a conceptual abstraction that would lead us more to a complex object
> model, instead of a new object type.

It might be worth looking at the XML Topic Maps concept as a model, or just
a source of ideas?

http://www.topicmaps.org/
http://www.ontopia.net/ - for some implementation examples

Cheers, Jon



From marc@bowery.com  Mon Jul 16 16:31:30 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:31:30 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to save extra data with CMF-object
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161053150.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <B7788111.30800%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com>
> 
> PropertyManager is somewhat icky from the perspective of
> maintainability:
> 
> - It is a "flat" namespace;  in fact, it stores properties in the
> as normal Python attributes of the instance.

Am I confusing this with Property Sheets?


> - One can't look at a central location (e.g., the Python class,
> or ZClass, or the type object) to determine the schema for all
> objects of a given type.

...but OTOH, some collections of objects need that variability... you can't
always predetermine the schema, right?  Though one could specifically create
other kinds of containers to hold random collections of stuff.  But then,
for someone getting started, it increases development time since you then
have to create interfaces, management, etc. etc. which is already there for
Properties.... 




From s.kugler@student.kun.nl  Mon Jul 16 16:34:52 2001
From: s.kugler@student.kun.nl (sebas)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:34:52 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] problems installing cmf 1.1 on win2k
Message-ID: <005d01c10e0c$db327cc0$0601a8c0@sebas>

Zope Version: Zope 2.3.3 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86)
platform: win2k server

I unpacked the tarball distribution to c:\program
files\winzope\lib\python\products

I repeated this two times, but i do not get cmf in my products folder :?

The documentation on the installation of cmf does not contain debug
information, at least I could not find anything there ...

Anyone an idea?

The zope installation already contains squisdot and Zwiki (Zwiki does not
work either, but that's not the problem @the moment as I did not look up if
there is some troubleshooting information on that.)

any suggestion is welcome,

tia,

sebas.

[sorry for the crosspost, i initially sent it to the wrong list :O]
___________________________________________________________
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon Jul 16 16:48:24 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:48:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to save extra data with CMF-object
In-Reply-To: <B7788111.30800%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161143090.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, marc lindahl wrote:

> 
> 
> > From: Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com>
> > 
> > PropertyManager is somewhat icky from the perspective of
> > maintainability:
> > 
> > - It is a "flat" namespace;  in fact, it stores properties in the
> > as normal Python attributes of the instance.
> 
> Am I confusing this with Property Sheets?

Yes.  PropertyManager objects (classic Zope folders, DTMLDocuments,
etc.) have a single, schema-free "propertysheet-like" interface
(the one exposed by the "Properties" tab).  Property Sheets are a
more general mechanism, which don't have this drawback.
 
> > - One can't look at a central location (e.g., the Python class,
> > or ZClass, or the type object) to determine the schema for all
> > objects of a given type.
> 
> ...but OTOH, some collections of objects need that
> variability... you can't always predetermine the schema, right?

My objections have to do with *maintainability* -- a collection
of objects with no common properties can't be managed as a whole;
everything is "one-off".

> Though one could specifically create other kinds of containers
> to hold random collections of stuff.  But then, for someone
> getting started, it increases development time since you then
> have to create interfaces, management, etc. etc. which is
> already there for Properties.... 

This discussion is about whether it is reasonable to exploit the
fact that PropertyManager is a base class of all the stock
content objects.  I would avoid exploiting it, because I dislike
the maintainability costs;  others might prefer to exploit it,
rather than write new content classes.

Tres.
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From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul 16 17:30:48 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:30:48 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Workflow Bug
Message-ID: <20010716173048.P17589@lenin.jamkit.com>

Hey DC folks,

Sorry to bug you about this bug (again), but is it on anyone's Bug
Radar?

  http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker/337

I need to deliver a big site next week based on the CMF and the
indexing isn't working.  If I'm going to have to sort it myself,
that's fine, but I need to know so I can restock on the caffeine if
necessary ;-) 

cheers,

seb the pesterer


From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon Jul 16 16:53:54 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:53:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] problems installing cmf 1.1 on win2k
In-Reply-To: <005d01c10e0c$db327cc0$0601a8c0@sebas>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161149070.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, sebas wrote:

> Zope Version: Zope 2.3.3 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86)
> platform: win2k server
> 
> I unpacked the tarball distribution to c:\program
> files\winzope\lib\python\products

> 
> I repeated this two times, but i do not get cmf in my products folder :?
> 
> The documentation on the installation of cmf does not contain debug
> information, at least I could not find anything there ...
> 
> Anyone an idea?
> 
> The zope installation already contains squisdot and Zwiki (Zwiki does not
> work either, but that's not the problem @the moment as I did not look up if
> there is some troubleshooting information on that.)
> 
> any suggestion is welcome,

The CMF is a "multi-product" piece of software.  Its tarball expands
to the following structure:

  CMF-1.1/

    CMFCalendar

    CMFCore

    CMFDefault

    CMFTopic

You need to copy or move the subdirectories, 'CMFCalendar',
'CMFCore', 'CMFDefault', and 'CMFTopic' into the 'Products'
directory of your Zope.

Tres.
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From sebas@ick-kupplungen.de  Mon Jul 16 16:57:05 2001
From: sebas@ick-kupplungen.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_K=FCgler?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:57:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] problems installing cmf 1.1 on win2k
References: <005d01c10e0c$db327cc0$0601a8c0@sebas>
Message-ID: <009601c10e0f$f5f22530$0601a8c0@sebas>

...just got an email with a working solution, thanx :)

> The CMF is a "multi-product" piece of software.  Its tarball expands
> to the following structure:
>
>   CMF-1.1/
>
>     CMFCalendar
>
>     CMFCore
>
>     CMFDefault
>
>     CMFTopic
>
> You need to copy or move the subdirectories, 'CMFCalendar',
> 'CMFCore', 'CMFDefault', and 'CMFTopic' into the 'Products'
> directory of your Zope.
>
> Tres.
> --
> ===============================================================
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>

----- Original Message -----
From: "sebas" <s.kugler@student.kun.nl>
To: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 5:34 PM
Subject: [Zope-CMF] problems installing cmf 1.1 on win2k


> Zope Version: Zope 2.3.3 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86)
> platform: win2k server
>
> I unpacked the tarball distribution to c:\program
> files\winzope\lib\python\products
>
> I repeated this two times, but i do not get cmf in my products folder :?
>
> The documentation on the installation of cmf does not contain debug
> information, at least I could not find anything there ...
>
> Anyone an idea?
>
> The zope installation already contains squisdot and Zwiki (Zwiki does not
> work either, but that's not the problem @the moment as I did not look up
if
> there is some troubleshooting information on that.)
>
> any suggestion is welcome,
>
> tia,
>
> sebas.
>
> [sorry for the crosspost, i initially sent it to the wrong list :O]
> ___________________________________________________________
> Inexperienced travellers might think that 'Aargh!' is universal, but in
> Betrobi it
> means 'highly enjoyable' and in Howondaland it means, variously,
> 'I would like to eat your foot', 'Your wife is a big hippo' and 'Hello,
> Thinks Mr Purple Cat.'
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests



From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon Jul 16 17:02:13 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:02:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Workflow Bug
In-Reply-To: <20010716173048.P17589@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161159390.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, seb bacon wrote:

> Hey DC folks,
> 
> Sorry to bug you about this bug (again), but is it on anyone's Bug
> Radar?
> 
>   http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker/337
> 
> I need to deliver a big site next week based on the CMF and the
> indexing isn't working.  If I'm going to have to sort it myself,
> that's fine, but I need to know so I can restock on the caffeine if
> necessary ;-) 

Can you fix this by abandoning the notion that content objects
are not responsible for their own catalog updates?  I don't like
moving that responsibility into the workflow, as there are many
possibile updates which might require re-cataloguing, not all of
which are related to workflow.

The essence of my notion is that any method which changes catalogable
attributes should call 'reindexObject', rather than relying on some
underlying magic to get it called.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul 16 17:44:35 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:44:35 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Workflow Bug
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161159390.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>; from tseaver@palladion.com on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 12:02:13PM -0400
References: <20010716173048.P17589@lenin.jamkit.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161159390.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20010716174434.Q17589@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com> [010716 17:05]:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, seb bacon wrote:
> 
> > Hey DC folks,
> > 
> > Sorry to bug you about this bug (again), but is it on anyone's Bug
> > Radar?
> > 
> >   http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker/337
> 
> Can you fix this by abandoning the notion that content objects
> are not responsible for their own catalog updates?  I don't like
> moving that responsibility into the workflow, as there are many
> possibile updates which might require re-cataloguing, not all of
> which are related to workflow.

Wow, that was a prompt reply :-)

Sure, that makes sense.  The bug still stands though, since calling
wrapped workflow methods with notification never occurs unless you use
DCWorkflow.  

Cheers,

seb


From jccooper@rice.edu  Mon Jul 16 17:07:52 2001
From: jccooper@rice.edu (J. Cameron Cooper)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:07:52 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] problems installing cmf 1.1 on win2k
References: <005d01c10e0c$db327cc0$0601a8c0@sebas>
Message-ID: <3B531158.8050102@rice.edu>

>
>
>I unpacked the tarball distribution to c:\program
>files\winzope\lib\python\products
>
>I repeated this two times, but i do not get cmf in my products folder :?
>
>The documentation on the installation of cmf does not contain debug
>information, at least I could not find anything there ...
>
>Anyone an idea?
>
See one or more of
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zope/message/65944
http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-June/007828.html
http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-June/007996.html

        --jcc




From klm@digicool.com  Mon Jul 16 17:26:59 2001
From: klm@digicool.com (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:26:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Public CVS unavailable from 2:00 PM EST today - CVS migration
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161215100.15513-100000@serenade.digicool.com>

We're on track to migrate our public CVS to the new server.  This means
the public repository will be unavailable from 2:00 PM Eastern Standard
Time until around 6:00 PM.  Note well that when it's back, your old
checkouts will *not* work with the new repository layout.  You'll have to
do new checkouts to syncronize with the new repository.  Again, sorry
about the disruption - it will be of benefit to everyone, and should be a
one-time changeover.

Ken Manheimer
klm@digicool.com



From dieter@handshake.de  Mon Jul 16 19:04:56 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:04:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] relative URLs in STX
In-Reply-To: <995284482.1225.32.camel@basajaun>
References: <995284482.1225.32.camel@basajaun>
Message-ID: <15187.11464.384771.173728@lindm.dm>

Arkaitz Bitorika writes:
 > In the html page, the "base" tags seems to be correct, pointing to
 > mySite/folder1/folder2, but the browser doesn't seem to care. If I
In fact, the base is wrong. It needs to be
"mySite/folder1/folder2/" (note the trailing '/').

Everything after the last '/' is removed before relative URL
resolution starts.


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Mon Jul 16 19:03:13 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:03:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Error Type: SkinPathError
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOOEKCCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOOEKCCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <15187.11361.589213.639232@lindm.dm>

Norman Khine writes:
 > I just got a new checkout of the CMF and added CMFOptions 1.1, followed the
 > setup procedure as described by jeff
 > http://www.zope.org/Members/jeffsasmor/CMFOptions/CMFOptionsInstall
 > 
 > but when I got to step (3), I got this error
 > 
 > Error Type: SkinPathError
 > Error Value: Name not found: CMFOptions
I read this as follows:

  You inserted "CMFOptions" in your SkinPath.

  But there is no "CMFOptions" subfolder in the "skins" folder.


Dieter


From nat@harari.org  Tue Jul 17 04:04:45 2001
From: nat@harari.org (Traveling Uncle Nat)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:04:45 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Hewwo. :)
Message-ID: <DHEPLOILGPDMJAPNINGGKEGOCMAA.nat@harari.org>

Hi. :) I got sent here by the zope main list. :) Anyway, I got CMF up and
running, and let me tell you that I love it. :)

Question is: How on earth do I customize it? Meaning: Layout, colors,
etc....is that fairly easy to do for somebody with no coding experience? I
just see the tool icons in my Zope interface, but no code to customize (a la
Zope/DTML/HTML code, that is).

Maybe I'm missing a tutorial someplace? I couldn't find one. Of course, I'm
trying to go over the Zope, Squishdot, and CMF interfaces right now all at
once...because of time constraints. Any help for a newbie out there?

Thanks everyone,

Newbie Nat. :)

..
Nathaniel Harari
..
nat@harari.org
http://somethingwonderful.com/
ICQ#: 45777666
..
Our revels now are ended. These our actors,
As I foretold you, were all spirits and
Are melted into air, into thin air:
And, like the baseless fabric of this vision,
The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces,
The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
Ye all which it inherit, shall dissolve
And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
As dreams are made on, and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.



From wilson@visi.com  Tue Jul 17 04:21:57 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:21:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Hewwo. :)
In-Reply-To: <DHEPLOILGPDMJAPNINGGKEGOCMAA.nat@harari.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107162219220.24378-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Traveling Uncle Nat wrote:

> Hi. :) I got sent here by the zope main list. :) Anyway, I got CMF up and
> running, and let me tell you that I love it. :)
> 
> Question is: How on earth do I customize it?

First step. Read Chap. 5 of the Beehive book. You'll find it at
http://cmf.zope.org/CMF/Members/beehive/ZWACKChap5.html

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      |   Visit Sibley online:   | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.org
W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
wilson@visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com



From jfranz@US.NET  Tue Jul 17 01:12:16 2001
From: jfranz@US.NET (Jon Franz)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:12:16 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] odd problem with user management
Message-ID: <63641C91EC424D47A0913FD91483D22D214516@usnet-ex02.USNET.CORP>

Hello,
	I'm using the CMF for my *gasp* corporate intranet, and due to
some policies=20
in place, employees cannot create thier own users.  Instead, HR creates
the users and=20
defines all of thier properties.  the employees can modify only one
property - the=20
about_me property, meanwhile all others should be editable by CMF
managers only.

I have created the needed forms and they pull the current user data, and
have created=20
the python code below and placed it inside CMFCore/Registration.py (I
know, put it in=20
CMFDefault, but I'm prototyping and dont care at this point), and the
code compiles=20
and runs without raising any errors.  However, once run, the user's
folder disappears=20
from within the ZMI and the portal. =20

Any ideas of what I'm doing wrong?

Heres the code:
>>>>>>>>>
    security.declareProtected(CMFCorePermissions.ManagePortal,
'setOthersProperties')
    def setOthersProperties(self, user=3DNone, properties=3DNone, **kw):
        '''Allows the authenticated member to set his/her own
properties.
        Accepts either keyword arguments or a mapping for the
"properties"
        argument.
        '''
        if user is None or user=3D=3D'':
            raise 'Bad request', 'invalid user'
           =20
        if properties is None:
            properties =3D kw
        membership =3D getToolByName(self, 'portal_membership')
        if not membership.isAnonymousUser():
            member =3D membership.getMemberById(user)
            failMessage =3D self.testPropertiesValidity(properties,
member)
            if failMessage is not None:
                raise 'Bad Request', failMessage
            member.setMemberProperties(properties)
        else:
            raise 'Bad Request', 'Not logged in.'
<<<<<<<<<<<


From nat@harari.org  Tue Jul 17 04:26:05 2001
From: nat@harari.org (Traveling Uncle Nat)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:26:05 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Hewwo. :)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107162219220.24378-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <DHEPLOILGPDMJAPNINGGKEHDCMAA.nat@harari.org>

Oh cool. Thanks! I didn't see that. I'll definitely check it out. I was
looking for some sort of tutorial/manual. I guess I just missed the link. :)

Thanks again,

Newbie Nat. :)

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Timothy Wilson
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:22 PM
To: Traveling Uncle Nat
Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Hewwo. :)


On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Traveling Uncle Nat wrote:

> Hi. :) I got sent here by the zope main list. :) Anyway, I got CMF up and
> running, and let me tell you that I love it. :)
>
> Question is: How on earth do I customize it?

First step. Read Chap. 5 of the Beehive book. You'll find it at
http://cmf.zope.org/CMF/Members/beehive/ZWACKChap5.html

-Tim

--
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Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.org
W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
wilson@visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com


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See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests



From mehmety@auslin.com.au  Sun Jul 15 22:09:00 2001
From: mehmety@auslin.com.au (Mehmet Yousouf)
Date: 16 Jul 2001 07:09:00 +1000
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Virtual hosting of cmf
Message-ID: <995231340.27809.0.camel@theo.home>

Hi,
I've set up CMF and have it working, started modifying the default
(it'll be great when there is some documentation available) install.
Now my problem is (not major as I could arrange things differently,
but...) if I set up a cmf site with a virtualhostmonster, the links end
up showing the full path (http://foo.bar/virtual/this-site/whatever_page
as opposed to http://foo.bar/whatever_page). Is there a way to specify
links so they dont do this?

Regards, Mehmet  



From timhoffman@cams.wa.gov.au  Tue Jul 17 08:30:13 2001
From: timhoffman@cams.wa.gov.au (Tim Hoffman)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:30:13 +0800
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ?how to override default content-type when putting files with FTP
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161108070.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3B53E985.1020009@cams.wa.gov.au>

Ahh I am blind

Since your reply I discovered the content_type_registry tool which provides
a very nice and easy mechanism. Damn I gotta rtfm better I suppose.

Tim

Tres Seaver wrote:

>On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Tim Hoffman wrote:
>
>>I am building a CMF site, with a number of customized (ZClass
>>based for the moment) Portal content types.
>>
>>I will need to bulk upload images (which have a new Portal type
>>based on CMFOptions ExtImage) which I am calling ArtWorkMedia,
>>the parent Folder is ArtWorkFolder.  ArtWorkFolder is defined
>>to only allows content-types of ArtWorkMedia and
>>ArtWorkMediaThumbnail, however when I upload images into an
>>ArtWorkFolder they are uploaded as Portal Image, which is
>>pretty much what I expected (though I half expected an error).
>>
>>Obviously I have to override the default behaviour/portal_type
>>for the images uploaded by ftp/webdav but I am having trouble
>>working out how/where I can/should do this.
>>
>>Could someone give me a pointer.
>>
>
>You can customize the PUT handling of a folder by adding a
>ContentTypeRegistry object to it, and then configuring it to
>convert PUTs with Content-type='image/*' to your ArtWorkMedia
>class.
>
>Tres.
>





From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 17 08:47:18 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:47:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Workflow, Events & Indexing
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161159390.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3B53ED86.BD77BAB5@nipltd.com>

Tres Seaver wrote:
> 
> The essence of my notion is that any method which changes catalogable
> attributes should call 'reindexObject', rather than relying on some
> underlying magic to get it called.

This does seem to violate the principle of 'only write the code once' :-S
If objects recieved a notification that they had changed, they could do this
re-indexing rather than other processes having to worry about this.

For example, what if the arguments to reindexObject change? You have find all
the places you call it and re-write them. And what if (as I need to), you need
to call something like portal_discussion.updateDiscussion(object) when the
object changes? You need to go find all places the object could change (how do
you do that?) and add the extra call.

This feels like something that belongs in a workflow or event model.

What do people think?

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 17 08:53:34 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:53:34 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] MetaType in TypeInformation objects
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107110921200.799-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3B53EEFE.8D80B738@nipltd.com>

Tres Seaver wrote:
> 
> Nope, because they aren't always the same.  Suppose I want to
> create a new content type, "Press Release", which is actually
> a CMFDefault.Document under the covers, but which has different
> actions / skins / workflow / metdata policies, etc.  In this case,
> the metatype would still be "Document", but the ID of the type
> object would be "Press Release".

Yeah, but in either case, can't you sniff the meta_type from the python product
bit?

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 17 08:59:44 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:59:44 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
References: <E15KhXg-0004F9-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3B53F070.972E9127@nipltd.com>

Jens,

Did anyone have any thoughts about this bit of the bug?

> > Also, should the registered method really contain a url which has both the
> > username and password of a newly generated member in it? Seems like a bit of a
> > security hole to me :-S

cheers,

Chris




From arkbit@yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 13:32:52 2001
From: arkbit@yahoo.com (Arkaitz)
Date: 17 Jul 2001 14:32:52 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] relative URLs in STX
In-Reply-To: <15187.11464.384771.173728@lindm.dm>
References: <995284482.1225.32.camel@basajaun>
 <15187.11464.384771.173728@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <995373175.26265.1.camel@basajaun>

On 16 Jul 2001 20:04:56 +0200, Dieter Maurer wrote:
> Arkaitz Bitorika writes:
>  > In the html page, the "base" tags seems to be correct, pointing to
>  > mySite/folder1/folder2, but the browser doesn't seem to care. If I
> In fact, the base is wrong. It needs to be
> "mySite/folder1/folder2/" (note the trailing '/').

Yes, the base is inserted this way in standard_html_header:
 
   <dtml-if relative_to_content>
   <base href="&dtml-absolute_url;" />
  </dtml-if>

The problem is that absolute_url doesn't have the needed trailing '/'. I
have fixed it removing completely that piece of code, so now Zope
inserts the correct BASE tag automatically. Another way could be putting
the '/' after absolute_url; by hand there, it seems to work, but I don't
know if it would break sometimes.
Can this be considered a bug to be fixed?

Cheers,
Arkaitz.

> 
> Everything after the last '/' is removed before relative URL
> resolution starts.
> 
> 
> Dieter
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests





From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue Jul 17 13:19:17 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:19:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Swishdot & Berlin Slides
Message-ID: <3B542D45.9EB95B9C@nipltd.com>

Hi,

- The slides from my talk in Berlin are now available for download.

- For those brave souls out there, the very first aplha of Swishdot is now in
public CVS.

Both can be found by looking at http://www.swishdot.org.

WARNING: That's a REALLY EARLY ALPHA.

I expect to re-implement a load of stuff, it's probably broken, insecure and
maybe even innefficient.
But, it might give you a rough idea. I may support upgrades from that thing, but
don't count on it ;-)

Let me know what you think...

Chris


From listsmurf@bbox.org  Tue Jul 17 14:09:24 2001
From: listsmurf@bbox.org (Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:09:24 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CVS down ??
In-Reply-To: <3B4C32FB.20108@palladion.com>
References: <012401c109fb$429273e0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
 <3B4C32FB.20108@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <p05100302b779e878c71f@[192.168.1.21]>

>Robert Rottermann wrote:
>
>>  CVS seems to be down.
>
>
>This just worked for me:
>
>   cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.zope.org:/cvs-repository co CMF
>
>Tres.

$ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.zope.org:/cvs-repository co CMF
cvs server: Updating CMF
cvs server: failed to create lock directory for 
`/cvs-repository/Releases/CMF' (
/cvs-repository/Releases/CMF/#cvs.lock): Permission denied
cvs server: failed to obtain dir lock in repository 
`/cvs-repository/Releases/CM
F'
cvs [server aborted]: read lock failed - giving up


Apparently, it does connect with 'cvs.zope.org', but can't login, 
create a file or something like that.

BTW, CVSWeb gives me a 'not found' error?

HTH
Jonathan



From listsmurf@bbox.org  Tue Jul 17 14:24:17 2001
From: listsmurf@bbox.org (Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:24:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CVS down ??
In-Reply-To: <p05100302b779e878c71f@[192.168.1.21]>
References: <012401c109fb$429273e0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
 <3B4C32FB.20108@palladion.com> <p05100302b779e878c71f@[192.168.1.21]>
Message-ID: <p05100303b779ecbac79c@[192.168.1.21]>

>Apparently, it does connect with 'cvs.zope.org', but can't login, 
>create a file or something like that.
>
>BTW, CVSWeb gives me a 'not found' error?

Answering my own question here; probably caused by the CVS migration. 
Read Ken's message after sending it :)

Cya
Jonathan


From klm@digicool.com  Tue Jul 17 15:10:46 2001
From: klm@digicool.com (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:10:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CVS migration status
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107171005520.17313-100000@serenade.digicool.com>

The migration is just about done.  We hit a glitch with the public-write
restriction mechanism, which took my attention yesterday evening.  I'm
going to be working out the pserver mode first thing after i send this
message, so public checkouts can resume, will repost when that's done.

Ken Manheimer
klm@digicool.com



From marc@bowery.com  Tue Jul 17 15:17:43 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:17:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Workflow, Events & Indexing
In-Reply-To: <3B53ED86.BD77BAB5@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <B779C146.30908%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> 
> This feels like something that belongs in a workflow or event model.

Or inherited from a mixin class?



From marc@bowery.com  Tue Jul 17 15:25:46 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:25:46 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to save extra data with CMF-object
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107161143090.10210-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <B779C32A.3090C%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com>
>
> My objections have to do with *maintainability* -- a collection
> of objects with no common properties can't be managed as a whole;
> everything is "one-off".

Seems like that would be more of a problem if the interface were exposed to
the portal user... as it is, it's a way to make a 'poor man's content class'
- extending the normal types with small effort, which seems like, though it
could lead to a mess, also could lead to rapid development...  e.g. the
extra properties become catalogable just by adding indexes to portal_catalog
(a simple ZMI operation).



From klm@digicool.com  Tue Jul 17 16:04:02 2001
From: klm@digicool.com (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:04:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-Annce] CVS migration status
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107171005520.17313-100000@serenade.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107171013020.17313-100000@serenade.digicool.com>

Hokay, public cvs checkout access is back.  As i've stressed, old
checkouts will go stale.  We're leaving around the current "Zope2" section
for a little while, but we will **not** be applying any revisions to it,
so it will never change (and it will go away, in not too long).  

Instead, revisions will happen against the new "Zope" module.  This new
module will have all the accumulated history of the old one, including
tags.  The new organization enables much better modularity, supporting
decomposition of standalone things like StandaloneZODB and transactions.

(CMF, StandaloneZODB, and ZEO checkouts will have the same name, *but
different repository-side structure*, so you need to do new checkouts of
them, as well!)

I believe you should *not* need to redo the cvs login - your old stashed
password should work.  If you *do* need to do a login, you can use any
password with the anonymous account.  For instructions, see:

  http://dev.zope.org/Resources/ZopePublicCVS.html

I've just revised them to reflect the new situation.

Ken
klm@digicool.com

On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Ken Manheimer wrote:

> The migration is just about done.  We hit a glitch with the public-write
> restriction mechanism, which took my attention yesterday evening.  I'm
> going to be working out the pserver mode first thing after i send this
> message, so public checkouts can resume, will repost when that's done.



From andrew@digicool.com  Tue Jul 17 16:27:15 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:27:15 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
In-Reply-To: <3B53F070.972E9127@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOCEPGCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

Jens and I both think it's a bug; I couldn't come up with an easy solution;
all attempts at passing this through failed.  If you've got a solution, send
it on over.  Otherwise this is going to wait until one of us can devote more
time to it.  We've both got other things on our plate at the moment.
Thanks,
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Chris Withers
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 4:00 AM
> To: jens@digicool.com
> Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
>
>
> Jens,
>
> Did anyone have any thoughts about this bit of the bug?
>
> > > Also, should the registered method really contain a url which
> has both the
> > > username and password of a newly generated member in it?
> Seems like a bit of a
> > > security hole to me :-S
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
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From marc@bowery.com  Tue Jul 17 16:40:12 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:40:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflow (public/private), reusing code, and separation of
 presentation...
Message-ID: <B779D335.30928%marc@bowery.com>

I know this overlaps some current threads, but to focus on this issue.  I'm
doing a CMF portal where there are other areas (folders) than the Members
area, and I'm running into the situation that in order to properly observe
the Workflow (e.g. with the default, simply controlling public/private
display behavior), I have to explicitly put DTML to check for this every
place I want to display something.

For example, I have a page which shows, among other things, the text from
another document called 'bio' in a table cell (if it exists):

<TD>
  <dtml-if expr="_.getitem('bio', 0)"><dtml-var
"bio.CookedBody()"></dtml-if>
</TD>

Now, that will show bio regardless of it's workflow status, unless I put a
pile of code in there.

Seems to me, the object (Document or whatever) should know better?  Also,
even if it doesn't, is there a standardized way to test for whether it's
displayable, independant of the exact workflow (e.g. what if there's no
'published' state, it's called 'public' instead?)




From bkc@murkworks.com  Tue Jul 17 17:05:37 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:05:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How about an Admin "add user" form?
Message-ID: <3B542B04.32401.55E3EC47@localhost>

For the next release..

For those that have turned off anonymous member creation, it'd be nice to have an 
'add-user' form that the admin could use to do all the work.



Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements



From kent@goathill.org  Tue Jul 17 17:41:26 2001
From: kent@goathill.org (Kent Polk)
Date: 17 Jul 2001 16:41:26 GMT
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF
In-Reply-To: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <995388085.965005@fezzik.endicor.com>

On 5 Jul 2001 14:20:00 -0500, Shane Hathaway wrote:
> Here at DC a few of us have been working on a component model for Zope. 
> We have roughly defined what components should be like in Zope and have
> written some documentation.  The next step is to update CMF to be fully
> driven by the component model.
> 
> So I wrote up a document describing how I think CMF will change.  I am
> seeking input from everyone involved in CMF.  Comments encouraged.
> 
> http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ApplyComponentModelToCMF

->To accomplish this, the portal root will have a __bobo_traverse__() method
->looks for a traversal adapter appropriate to the content being traversed.
->CMF tool that would have all of the necessary information for supplying a
->traversal adapter is the portal_actions tool. Currently it looks for object
->actions, workflow actions, and discussion actions to supply a list to the
->actions box. In fact, in order for the proposed "memento bags" idea (see
->zope-cmf@zope.org) to work with discussions, discussions will need to be
->implemented with modified travers

Would this be able to address my problem with implementing proxy
folderish items (a lot like your Transparent Folder behavior),
where each proxy client is associated with a particular proxy
(server)?

Will the new content view components be set up for folders also,
so that folderish objects can participate in being able to have
their view methods changed? Please, Please, Please

This stuff looks great. The problems these changes address were
causing me all sorts of grief since I couldn't find reasonable
solutions for them. I have several CMF Items which *almost* work
as needed, but one or more of these niggling problems have kept me
from a clean solution for them.

Any idea of the timeframe? If soon, I will just suspend my hacking
on these things and work on other issues, like workflow with Ulrich
:^)

We are still trying to figure out how to implement project-centric
workflow for the CMF, in addition to document-centric workflow.



From shane@digicool.com  Tue Jul 17 17:31:25 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:31:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
References: <3B53F070.972E9127@nipltd.com> <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOCEPGCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B54685D.2A702402@digicool.com>

Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> Jens and I both think it's a bug; I couldn't come up with an easy solution;
> all attempts at passing this through failed.  If you've got a solution, send
> it on over.  Otherwise this is going to wait until one of us can devote more
> time to it.  We've both got other things on our plate at the moment.

Use a form with hidden fields.  Something like this (not looking at the
code):

<form action="logged_in" method="POST">
  <input type="hidden" name="__ac_name" value="&dtml-name;" />
  <input type="hidden" name="__ac_password" value="&dtml-password;" />
  <input type="submit" value="Log in now" />
</form>

The disadvantage of passing a password in a URL is that it might show up
in an HTTP log, which doesn't matter unless you're using HTTPS.  The
hidden fields solution closes that hole.

Shane

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> > Of Chris Withers
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 4:00 AM
> > To: jens@digicool.com
> > Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
> > Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
> >
> >
> > Jens,
> >
> > Did anyone have any thoughts about this bit of the bug?
> >
> > > > Also, should the registered method really contain a url which
> > has both the
> > > > username and password of a newly generated member in it?
> > Seems like a bit of a
> > > > security hole to me :-S
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Chris


From shane@digicool.com  Tue Jul 17 18:30:36 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:30:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF
In-Reply-To: <20010717162417.5B328108E@tiamat.goathill.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0107171320450.5760-100000@shane.digicool.com>

On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Kent Polk wrote:

> On 5 Jul 2001 14:20:00 -0500, Shane Hathaway wrote:
> > http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ApplyComponentModelToCMF
>
> ->To accomplish this, the portal root will have a __bobo_traverse__() method
> ->looks for a traversal adapter appropriate to the content being traversed.
> ->CMF tool that would have all of the necessary information for supplying a
> ->traversal adapter is the portal_actions tool. Currently it looks for object
> ->actions, workflow actions, and discussion actions to supply a list to the
> ->actions box. In fact, in order for the proposed "memento bags" idea (see
> ->zope-cmf@zope.org) to work with discussions, discussions will need to be
> ->implemented with modified travers
>
> Would this be able to address my problem with implementing proxy
> folderish items (a lot like your Transparent Folder behavior),
> where each proxy client is associated with a particular proxy
> (server)?

Yes, I think so, although if you have described the details of this
concept before, I cannot recall them at the moment.

> Will the new content view components be set up for folders also,
> so that folderish objects can participate in being able to have
> their view methods changed? Please, Please, Please

Yes, that's one of the points I've been hammering too.

> Any idea of the timeframe? If soon, I will just suspend my hacking
> on these things and work on other issues, like workflow with Ulrich

It's a high priority.  We're still discussing some of the details.  Here
is something posted just this morning:

http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/CMFContentTypeDesign

> We are still trying to figure out how to implement project-centric
> workflow for the CMF, in addition to document-centric workflow.

What are your current obstacles?  Do they consist of what you listed
above?

Shane



From marc@bowery.com  Tue Jul 17 18:57:48 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:57:48 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how does Members folder force login?
Message-ID: <B779F4DC.30951%marc@bowery.com>

I'm a little stuck on that one... I'd like to get the same behavior out of
some other top-level folders I'm making...



From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 17 20:15:05 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:15:05 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how does Members folder force login?
In-Reply-To: <B779F4DC.30951%marc@bowery.com>; from marc@bowery.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 01:57:48PM -0400
References: <B779F4DC.30951%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <20010717201504.C27382@lenin.jamkit.com>

* marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com> [010717 19:01]:
> I'm a little stuck on that one... I'd like to get the same behavior out of
> some other top-level folders I'm making...

If you try to view something for which you don't have the permission,
Zope throws an Unauthorized exception, which generates a basic
authentication box.  The CMF has a CookieCrumbler in it, which
intercepts the exception, and redirects to a login form instead.  So
check out the cookie crumbler.

seb


From marc@bowery.com  Tue Jul 17 19:46:42 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:46:42 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how does Members folder force login?
In-Reply-To: <20010717201504.C27382@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <B77A0051.30961%marc@bowery.com>

> If you try to view something for which you don't have the permission,
> Zope throws an Unauthorized exception, which generates a basic
> authentication box.

Sometimes... other times it gives you the (hard-coded) Unauthorized error
page.

> The CMF has a CookieCrumbler in it, which
> intercepts the exception, and redirects to a login form instead.  So
> check out the cookie crumbler.

Sure, I see where it does that in standard_html_header, but then I don't see
anything special about the Security settings for the Members folder...




From mehmety@auslin.com.au  Sun Jul 15 22:09:00 2001
From: mehmety@auslin.com.au (Mehmet Yousouf)
Date: 16 Jul 2001 07:09:00 +1000
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Virtual hosting of cmf
Message-ID: <995231340.27809.0.camel@theo.home>

Hi,
I've set up CMF and have it working, started modifying the default
(it'll be great when there is some documentation available) install.
Now my problem is (not major as I could arrange things differently,
but...) if I set up a cmf site with a virtualhostmonster, the links end
up showing the full path (http://foo.bar/virtual/this-site/whatever_page
as opposed to http://foo.bar/whatever_page). Is there a way to specify
links so they dont do this?

Regards, Mehmet  



From kent@goathill.org  Tue Jul 17 20:23:40 2001
From: kent@goathill.org (Kent Polk)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:23:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0107171320450.5760-100000@shane.digicool.com>
 "from Shane Hathaway at Jul 17, 2001 01:30:36 pm"
Message-ID: <20010717192340.D1A30108E@tiamat.goathill.org>

Shane Hathaway wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Kent Polk wrote:
> 
> > On 5 Jul 2001 14:20:00 -0500, Shane Hathaway wrote:
> > > http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ApplyComponentModelToCMF
> >
> > ->To accomplish this, the portal root will have a __bobo_traverse__() method
> > ->looks for a traversal adapter appropriate to the content being traversed.
> > ->CMF tool that would have all of the necessary information for supplying a
> > ->traversal adapter is the portal_actions tool. Currently it looks for object
> > ->actions, workflow actions, and discussion actions to supply a list to the
> > ->actions box. In fact, in order for the proposed "memento bags" idea (see
> > ->zope-cmf@zope.org) to work with discussions, discussions will need to be
> > ->implemented with modified travers
> >
> > Would this be able to address my problem with implementing proxy
> > folderish items (a lot like your Transparent Folder behavior),
> > where each proxy client is associated with a particular proxy
> > (server)?
> 
> Yes, I think so, although if you have described the details of this
> concept before, I cannot recall them at the moment.

Basically, I have a series of tabular document objects which need
to participate in workflow. The tabular data associated with these
items is obtained via a series of sql/dtml/python methods where
the sql/dtml methods need to be instantiated and customized for
different projects, installations. Each CMF 'tabular document' of
a particular meta-type can use the same set of methods, so a folder
of these things, along with some python code is the general idea.
However, it is far easier to implement these as a CMF folderish
item (which even needs to have it's own workflow during creation)
which the tabular documents explicitly acquire behavior from.

Problem is that the CMF's way of handling URL's gets in the way of
adding the folderish item to the URL (rightfully so, IMO). My
tabular document methods can explicitly call the folderish item
(proxy) as long as the calls aren't nested, which won't really
work. Your Transparent folders comes close to solving this, but
since there are a series of these folders, I need to explicitly
acquire the proxy folder by meta-type (and preferably even run-time
configure, in case of multiple ones of the same meta-type), which
poses a problem with Transparent Folders.

->So, tentatively, traversal adapters will check for a fixed name such as talkback
->for traversal to the discussion container, and if it's not the fixed name then
->they will ask the workflow service for the name of a presentation component from
->which to look for views, then ask the skins service for presentation names from
->either the workflow presentation component or the object presentation component.
->Traversal adapters will come from the portal_actions service.

I was hoping that I could configure your traversal adaptor to
provide my proxies as a presentation component (folderish) or just
rewrite the proxies to be a regular presentation component (maybe
prefered?).

> > Will the new content view components be set up for folders also,
> > so that folderish objects can participate in being able to have
> > their view methods changed? Please, Please, Please
> 
> Yes, that's one of the points I've been hammering too.

Yeah!

> > Any idea of the timeframe? If soon, I will just suspend my hacking
> > on these things and work on other issues, like workflow with Ulrich
> 
> It's a high priority.  We're still discussing some of the details.  Here
> is something posted just this morning:
> 
> http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/CMFContentTypeDesign

->For interfaces created in Python modules, we can store interfaces by reference.
->For persistent interfaces, storing by reference requires special handling. If a
->simple persistent reference is used, then the interface will be copied wheever
->the object is copied. If a named reference is used, then a name registry needs
->to be maintained, which adds a lot of complexity.

Doesn't look good for sql methods, have you thought of them as
interfaces? I'm having a little trouble identifying exactly what
'things' Jim would classify as a marker interface. BTW, equality
comparisons is how I initially though the Types tool was implemented
- I though they behaved somewhat like aliases. It kinda threw me
at first that it was still needing to use specific ids.

> > We are still trying to figure out how to implement project-centric
> > workflow for the CMF, in addition to document-centric workflow.
> 
> What are your current obstacles?  Do they consist of what you listed
> above?

The project-centric workflow stuff is mostly separate from the
obstacles mentioned. We're still struggling with basic concepts
right now. I suspect you'll be hearing more from us in the near
future with thought about how to accomplish objectives. If you have
any ideas on how to accomplish a project-centric workflow via CMF,
we'd sure like to hear them. Problems are that a project-centric
workflow needs to be able to create and manage CMF documents (which
can have their own workflow). Requires associations that we are
having trouble defining.



From dieter@handshake.de  Tue Jul 17 22:30:06 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:30:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] relative URLs in STX
In-Reply-To: <995373175.26265.1.camel@basajaun>
References: <15187.11464.384771.173728@lindm.dm>
 <995373175.26265.1.camel@basajaun>
Message-ID: <15188.44638.892498.207597@lindm.dm>

Arkaitz writes:
 > Yes, the base is inserted this way in standard_html_header:
 >  
 >    <dtml-if relative_to_content>
 >    <base href="&dtml-absolute_url;" />
 >   </dtml-if>
 > 
 > The problem is that absolute_url doesn't have the needed trailing '/'.
Sometimes, it is correct *without* the trailing '/'.
 > I
 > have fixed it removing completely that piece of code, so now Zope
 > inserts the correct BASE tag automatically.
That is probably the best you can do.
 > Another way could be putting
 > the '/' after absolute_url; by hand there, it seems to work, but I don't
 > know if it would break sometimes.
It will break in some circumstances, for example, it the last
URL component is a DTML document.
 > Can this be considered a bug to be fixed?
I would consider it a bug and put it into the tracker.


Dieter


From dhanunjaya@mindscapecomputing.com  Wed Jul 18 07:35:24 2001
From: dhanunjaya@mindscapecomputing.com (Dhanu)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:05:24 +0530
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Multilingual cmf site
Message-ID: <000a01c10f53$d324a1a0$4ac809c0@saraswathi>

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Thank you,

regards,
Dhanu

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From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul 18 10:18:17 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:18:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Multilingual cmf site
In-Reply-To: <000a01c10f53$d324a1a0$4ac809c0@saraswathi>; from dhanunjaya@mindscapecomputing.com on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 12:05:24PM +0530
References: <000a01c10f53$d324a1a0$4ac809c0@saraswathi>
Message-ID: <20010718101806.F27382@lenin.jamkit.com>

The people at Eurozope have been putting a lot of work into this, and
are probably the best people to deal with the issue.

They've just set up a new I18N / L10N mailing list:

  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zip
  mailto:zip@zope.org
  mailto:zip-request@zope.org

seb

* Dhanu <dhanunjaya@mindscapecomputing.com> [010718 08:57]:
> Hai Friends,
> 
> iam working on building a web site with cmf with multi language functionality.
> I came across Localizer and i felt it is good for providing links and some static content in multiple languages.
> 
> Does any one has good idea of how to proceed in building good Multilingual cmf site.
> 
> I did not spent much time thinking on how to do it.
> I thought it is better  to take your opinion in proceeding further,as iam still a newbie.
> 
> Your ideas are very much appreciated.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> regards,
> Dhanu



From yokemay@apdip.net  Wed Jul 18 10:14:54 2001
From: yokemay@apdip.net (Yoke May Seow)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:14:54 +0800
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Create search for folders
Message-ID: <004701c10f6a$1c04a120$175ebbca@apdip.net>

Hi,

	I still can't figure out how to create a search criteria that only allows
me to search within the a folder and its sub-folder.

	Anyone can help me on this? Appreciate it a lot. Thanks.

Regards,
SEOW Yoke May
Webmaster @ www.apdip.net
Email: yokemay@apdip.net
Tel: +603-2559122 ext. 2206
Fax: +603-2539740
Mobile: +6016-2837395
ICQ: 321345



From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul 18 11:07:01 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:07:01 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Create search for folders
In-Reply-To: <004701c10f6a$1c04a120$175ebbca@apdip.net>; from yokemay@apdip.net on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 05:14:54PM +0800
References: <004701c10f6a$1c04a120$175ebbca@apdip.net>
Message-ID: <20010718110701.J27382@lenin.jamkit.com>

If you search the archives, I posted some tips about altering the
Catalog to include custom, transparent criteria.  You could adapt
these principles to make them more TTW.  Basicallty, you'd need to
add some information about the folder location to each object's index
in the Catalog; then you could search based on this criterion.  

See my 'Subclassing the Catalog Tool' news item on the dogbowl for hints
on the hard way of doing this; see the Zope Book for more information
on how the Catalog works, if you need to learn more about indices and
search criteria.

seb

* Yoke May Seow <yokemay@apdip.net> [010718 10:17]:
> Hi,
> 
> 	I still can't figure out how to create a search criteria that only allows
> me to search within the a folder and its sub-folder.
> 
> 	Anyone can help me on this? Appreciate it a lot. Thanks.


From dhanunjaya@mindscapecomputing.com  Wed Jul 18 09:55:10 2001
From: dhanunjaya@mindscapecomputing.com (Dhanu)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:25:10 +0530
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Multilingual cmf site (plain text)
Message-ID: <002a01c10f67$59c8e230$4ac809c0@saraswathi>

Hai Friends,

iam working on building a web site with cmf with multi language
functionality.
I came across Localizer and i felt it is good for providing links and some
static content in multiple languages.

Does any one has good idea of how to proceed in building good Multilingual
cmf site.

I did not spent much time thinking on how to do it.
I thought it is better to take your opinion in proceeding further,as iam
still a newbie.

Your ideas are very much appreciated.

Thank you,

regards,
Dhanu











I hope above message is in plain text








From jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com  Wed Jul 18 11:48:30 2001
From: jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com (Tim Fouracre)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:48:30 -0000
Subject: [Zope-CMF] newbie discussion question
Message-ID: <F17tgx8VUkRacUtI9dm00000316@hotmail.com>

Hi all

Ok what i want to do is create a link in the actions box to all the
discussion threads that any member has created and then display all the
discussion threads. So far the only way i have found of accessing
discussions is by doing a search for them and then clicking on the results, 
however this would not be very user friendly.
Do i have to create a topic that filters out the Discussion Items? or how do 
i do this? any help/documentation about?

cheers

Tim

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From khine@btinternet.com  Wed Jul 18 12:16:35 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:16:35 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] newbie discussion question
In-Reply-To: <F17tgx8VUkRacUtI9dm00000316@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOAEDCCLAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hi Tim, best way to do this is to create a topic, with the following
criteria:

Field id: meta_type
Criteria type: String Criterion

then add to the Value box Discussion Item, and save.

Now you will have all discussion items listed for your portal. You can
extend this by modifying the criteria more as per your requirements.

Then ALL ;^) you have to do to add it to your actions_box is to modify it by
adding an entry something like:

<td width="7%"><img src="folder_icon.gif" width="16" height="16"></td>
<td width="42%">  <a
href="/Portal/Members/member1/topicID_20010702223900">Discussions</a></td>

Main thing, to remeber is to put a href to point to the actual place where
the topic is stored.

It will be great if one can have both the topics and the sub_topics
generated as a drop-down list, perhaps this is an html/dtml issue?! or
java... any ideas!

Hope this helps.

Norman


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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:49 AM
To: zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: [Zope-CMF] newbie discussion question


Hi all

Ok what i want to do is create a link in the actions box to all the
discussion threads that any member has created and then display all the
discussion threads. So far the only way i have found of accessing
discussions is by doing a search for them and then clicking on the results,
however this would not be very user friendly.
Do i have to create a topic that filters out the Discussion Items? or how do
i do this? any help/documentation about?

cheers

Tim

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From jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com  Wed Jul 18 12:38:23 2001
From: jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com (Tim Fouracre)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:38:23 -0000
Subject: [Zope-CMF] newbie discussion question
Message-ID: <F165UD5euwdUTaGmvSV00000370@hotmail.com>

Thanks for the help Norman,

While i was waiting for a reply, i was messing about with creating a Topic, 
and managed to come out with something similar :-)

My question now is does the Topic auto catalog itself? so when new 
Discussions are added, they are also returned by the query? I don't think it 
does as i have tried adding a new discussion and it isn't picked up, any 
ideas on how to do this?

cheers

Tim

>Hi Tim, best way to do this is to create a topic, with the following
>criteria:
>
>Field id: meta_type
>Criteria type: String Criterion
>
>then add to the Value box Discussion Item, and save.
>
>Now you will have all discussion items listed for your portal. You can
>extend this by modifying the criteria more as per your requirements.
>
>Then ALL ;^) you have to do to add it to your actions_box is to modify it 
>by
>adding an entry something like:
>
><td width="7%"><img src="folder_icon.gif" width="16" height="16"></td>
><td width="42%">  <a
>href="/Portal/Members/member1/topicID_20010702223900">Discussions</a></td>
>
>Main thing, to remeber is to put a href to point to the actual place where
>the topic is stored.
>
>It will be great if one can have both the topics and the sub_topics
>generated as a drop-down list, perhaps this is an html/dtml issue?! or
>java... any ideas!
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Norman
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From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul 18 13:16:11 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:16:11 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] portal_catalog acquisition problem
Message-ID: <20010718131610.C29585@lenin.jamkit.com>

I'm having a day of wierdness today...

I'm trying to get my content to reindex itself, and it's failing.
I've traced the problem to getToolByName, which is returning None.  In
particular, it's the aq_get(myobj, 'portal_catalog', default, 1) which
is failing.

The reason this is wierd, is because getToolByName(self,
'portal_anything_else') returns the tool.  It's only the catalog tool
which not getting acquired.  Even stranger is the fact that I can do
things like self.aq_inner.aq_parent.aq_parent.portal_catalog
successfully, in the code, from the debugger.

I had a quick look at the code for Acquisition but as I'm not much of
a C hacker I had no idea how I'd debug it to work out what's going
on. 

Any ideas?

seb


From Marc.van.Grootel@mendez.nl  Wed Jul 18 12:40:04 2001
From: Marc.van.Grootel@mendez.nl (Marc van Grootel (Mendez Nederland))
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:40:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Returning XML documents from CMF
Message-ID: <694C70899F90D4118C4400D0B74741600DA3D4@VOYAGER>

Hi,

I was playing around creating a skin that outputs pages as XML. Previously
with Zope I always added something like:

  <dtml-call REQUEST.set('Content-Type','text/xml')>
  <?xml version="1.0"?>

to a document and that was it. However with CMF it seems to ignore
this Content-Type. In IE i get the XML content but the browser seems to
interpret it as
HTML.

Is there a way to 'fix' this?

Thanks

--Marc



From jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com  Wed Jul 18 13:21:33 2001
From: jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com (Tim Fouracre)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:21:33 -0000
Subject: [Zope-CMF] newbie discussion question
Message-ID: <F96RDT6Z3LstPGtPrPr00000424@hotmail.com>

Sorry, ignore that last comment of mine!
The reason it wasn't working was i was looking for a Document Item when the 
thing i had created was a Document.
It all works now
cheers
Tim

>Thanks for the help Norman,
>
>While i was waiting for a reply, i was messing about with creating a Topic,
>and managed to come out with something similar :-)
>
>My question now is does the Topic auto catalog itself? so when new
>Discussions are added, they are also returned by the query? I don't think 
>it
>does as i have tried adding a new discussion and it isn't picked up, any
>ideas on how to do this?
>
>cheers
>
>Tim
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From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul 18 14:22:20 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:22:20 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Returning XML documents from CMF
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHAEPNCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Marc,

It might be worth looking at the way the RSS and rssBody methods (in
portal_skins/generic) do it?

Cheers, Jon



From lei@boxer.no  Wed Jul 18 14:23:46 2001
From: lei@boxer.no (Lene Eikemo)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:23:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ZPatterns & LoginManager
Message-ID: <EAEJIHBAHBPCHHOMEBNBAEFOCAAA.lei@boxer.no>

Hi folks,
I'm a real newbee, but need to get really advanced ASAP... (it's for a
school-project)
so;
As far as I've concerned, LoginManager is a really neat, but complex
product. -And I THINK I wan't to use it for my CMF-site. But if I've
understood it right, I need to know how to use ZPatterns to use
LoginManager??? -And that's not too easy, or what?

(newbee means 4 weeks experience with Zope&CMF)

cheers,
Lene



From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 18 12:33:04 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:33:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how does Members folder force login?
In-Reply-To: <B77A0051.30961%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180731510.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, marc lindahl wrote:

> 
> > If you try to view something for which you don't have the permission,
> > Zope throws an Unauthorized exception, which generates a basic
> > authentication box.
> 
> Sometimes... other times it gives you the (hard-coded) Unauthorized error
> page.
> 
> > The CMF has a CookieCrumbler in it, which
> > intercepts the exception, and redirects to a login form instead.  So
> > check out the cookie crumbler.
> 
> Sure, I see where it does that in standard_html_header, but then I don't see
> anything special about the Security settings for the Members folder...

The 'roster' method, which functions as the default view for the
'Members' folder, calls a protected method on the 'portal_membership'
tool;  the 'Members' folder therefore doesn't require any special
permission settings.

Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 18 12:42:24 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:42:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] MetaType in TypeInformation objects
In-Reply-To: <3B53EEFE.8D80B738@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180741250.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Chris Withers wrote:

> Tres Seaver wrote:
> > 
> > Nope, because they aren't always the same.  Suppose I want to
> > create a new content type, "Press Release", which is actually
> > a CMFDefault.Document under the covers, but which has different
> > actions / skins / workflow / metdata policies, etc.  In this case,
> > the metatype would still be "Document", but the ID of the type
> > object would be "Press Release".
> 
> Yeah, but in either case, can't you sniff the meta_type from
> the python product bit?

Nope;  you can't know from the name of the factory method what
class it will instantiate, and therefore you can't get to the
meta_type.

Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 18 12:41:19 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:41:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Workflow, Events & Indexing
In-Reply-To: <3B53ED86.BD77BAB5@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180735540.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Chris Withers wrote:

> Tres Seaver wrote:
> > 
> > The essence of my notion is that any method which changes
> > catalogable attributes should call 'reindexObject', rather
> > than relying on some underlying magic to get it called.
> 
> This does seem to violate the principle of 'only write the code
> once' :-S If objects recieved a notification that they had
> changed, they could do this re-indexing rather than other
> processes having to worry about this.

Who else is going to tell an object that its attributes have
changed?  The object's own methods are responsible for making
those changes, and therefore for notifying interested observers
of the changes.
 
> For example, what if the arguments to reindexObject change? You
> have find all the places you call it and re-write them.

This discussion started because of a failure in code which
attempts to guess when it would be appropriate to reindex an
object;  guaranteeing that the reindex happens at the right time
is *way* more important than "programmer convenience".

> And what if (as I need to), you need to call something like
> portal_discussion.updateDiscussion(object) when the object
> changes? You need to go find all places the object could change
> (how do you do that?)

Grep for 'reindexObject'. :)

> and add the extra call.
> 
> This feels like something that belongs in a workflow or event
> model.

If / when we add an event channel, the responsibility for publishing
events to it will still rest with the methods which are actually
making changes to the objects;  at that point, your event-based
discussion tool would be a subscriber to the event channel.

Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 18 12:44:19 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:44:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Workflow, Events & Indexing
In-Reply-To: <B779C146.30908%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180742310.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, marc lindahl wrote:

> 
> 
> > From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> > 
> > This feels like something that belongs in a workflow or event model.
> 
> Or inherited from a mixin class?

Such a solution has two problems:

 - It is hard to make it work (look at the gymnastics which 
   Persistence.Persistent has to go through sometime);

 - It makes objects harder to reuse (a lot of the "new religion"
   effort is aimed at reducing or eliminating the need for mix-in
   inheritance for just this reason).

Tres.
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From erik@thingamy.net  Wed Jul 18 14:39:08 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 18 Jul 2001 15:39:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ZPatterns & LoginManager
In-Reply-To: <EAEJIHBAHBPCHHOMEBNBAEFOCAAA.lei@boxer.no>
References: <EAEJIHBAHBPCHHOMEBNBAEFOCAAA.lei@boxer.no>
Message-ID: <874rsa8igz.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Lene Eikemo]

| As far as I've concerned, LoginManager is a really neat, but complex
| product. -And I THINK I wan't to use it for my CMF-site. But if I've
| understood it right, I need to know how to use ZPatterns to use
| LoginManager?

I don't think you need to know ZPatterns to use it, although it
depends on it.  You might be able to use LoginManager without grokking
ZPatterns fully (I should know, I use LoginManager and I'm not
comfortable saying I know ZPatterns).

Maybe if you could tell us a bit more about what you're planning for
your site, we might be able to rule out LoginManager?  :)


From marc@bowery.com  Wed Jul 18 14:52:02 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:52:02 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] how does Members folder force login?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180731510.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <B77B0CC1.30A3E%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com>
> 
> The 'roster' method, which functions as the default view for the
> 'Members' folder, calls a protected method on the 'portal_membership'
> tool;  the 'Members' folder therefore doesn't require any special
> permission settings.

Is it:
portal_membership.getRoster
portal_membership.getHomeUrl
or
portal_membership.getHomeFolder
?

This is a very handy behavior... I wonder if there's some way to integrate
it into the portal, like a property of portal folders...



From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 18 12:59:57 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:59:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Create search for folders
In-Reply-To: <004701c10f6a$1c04a120$175ebbca@apdip.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180747480.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Yoke May Seow wrote:

> 	I still can't figure out how to create a search criteria that
> 	only allows me to search within the a folder and its
> 	sub-folder.
> 
> 	Anyone can help me on this? Appreciate it a lot. Thanks.

Zope 2.4 adds a new index type, 'PathIndex', which is aimed at
making this a no-brainer.  Until then, you can achieve the effect
in a couple of ways:

 - Add a property to each folder at a given "level" which identifies
   it uniquely among its peers;  add a field index to the catalog
   on that property, and search it.

 - Add an ExternalMethod which generates a set of path prefixes for
   an object, and catalog its results with a keyword index.  This
   script might look something like (untested):

     from Products.CMFCore.utils import getToolByName

     def getPathPrefixes( self ):
         """
             Return the set of path prefixes for a given object;
             the result will be a tuple of tuples, e.g.:

             ( ( '', )
             , ( '', 'Members' )
             , ( '', 'Members', 'tres' )
             , ( '', 'Members', 'tres', 'index_html' )
             )
         """
         tool = getToolByName( self, 'portal_url' )
         path = tool.getRelativeContentPath( self ) # tuple of IDs
         result = []

         for i in range( len( path ) ):
             result.append( path[ : i+1 ] )

         return tuple( result )

Tres.
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From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul 18 15:41:40 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:41:40 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Workflow, Events & Indexing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180735540.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>; from tseaver@palladion.com on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 07:41:19AM -0400
References: <3B53ED86.BD77BAB5@nipltd.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180735540.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20010718154140.E29585@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com> [010718 14:39]:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
> 
> > Tres Seaver wrote:
> > > 
> > > The essence of my notion is that any method which changes
> > > catalogable attributes should call 'reindexObject', rather
> > > than relying on some underlying magic to get it called.
> > 
> > This does seem to violate the principle of 'only write the code
> > once' :-S If objects recieved a notification that they had
> > changed, they could do this re-indexing rather than other
> > processes having to worry about this.

< snip >

> This discussion started because of a failure in code which
> attempts to guess when it would be appropriate to reindex an
> object;  guaranteeing that the reindex happens at the right time
> is *way* more important than "programmer convenience".

I agree with Tres here.  Something, somewhere has to take
responsibility for reindexing, and the object itself would seem to be
the correct place.  

However, I'd just like to point out again that the failure in the code
is nothing to do with reindexing, although that was my own symptom;
the code is broken w.r.t. wrapped workflow methods being called
'with notification'.  It just so happens that the WorkflowCore also
reindexes objects at the 'with notification' point.  

I fixed my symptoms as you suggested, but if anyone is using the
notification features of the workflow, it won't work with CMF1.1.  It
strikes me this is a fairly serious bug; am I right?

seb


From listsmurf@bbox.org  Wed Jul 18 15:22:46 2001
From: listsmurf@bbox.org (Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:22:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Members only CMF?
Message-ID: <p05100301b77b45629cb1@[192.168.1.21]>

Hi all,

I want to use CMF 1.1 to build an intranet-type application, which 
has little use for publishing to anonymous users; all users have to 
be authenticated first to access content inside the application.

How easy/hard is it to adapt CMF to only cater to members? And 
owners, managers, and reviewers of course. As far as I understand the 
code, CMF borrows its access control from Zope itself, right? Is that 
the part I need to look at?

Thnx!
Jonathan


From Marc.van.Grootel@mendez.nl  Wed Jul 18 15:20:39 2001
From: Marc.van.Grootel@mendez.nl (Marc van Grootel (Mendez Nederland))
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:20:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Returning XML documents from CMF
Message-ID: <694C70899F90D4118C4400D0B74741600DA3D6@VOYAGER>

Hi Jon,

Good thinking. RSS outputs the following at the top:

  Content-type: text/xml

  <?xml version="1.0"?>

This works.

I'm still learning so I did not know this before i was
under the impression that this line 

  <dtml-call REQUEST.set('Content-Type','text/xml')> 

was needed to get XML but by looking at the HTTP headers I found that 
this call doesn't work in regular Zope either. Zope just does it's own 
mime-type mapping based on the extension, is that correct? However, the 
solution at the top DOES work and seems to override the mapping based on
the extension. I'm sure I found this dtml-call trick somewhere but it does 
not work. I always had document names ending with .xml which set
the content-type automagically so I never noticed that it didn't work.

I guess i have to study some of the docs on this ;)

Thanks

--Marc

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Edwards [mailto:jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:22 PM
> To: Zope-Cmf
> Cc: Marc van Grootel (Mendez Nederland)
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] Returning XML documents from CMF 
> 
> 
> Marc,
> 
> It might be worth looking at the way the RSS and rssBody methods (in
> portal_skins/generic) do it?
> 
> Cheers, Jon
> 
> 
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 18 13:33:32 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:33:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Members only CMF?
In-Reply-To: <p05100301b77b45629cb1@[192.168.1.21]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180832360.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Jonathan wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I want to use CMF 1.1 to build an intranet-type application, which 
> has little use for publishing to anonymous users; all users have to 
> be authenticated first to access content inside the application.
> 
> How easy/hard is it to adapt CMF to only cater to members? And 
> owners, managers, and reviewers of course. As far as I understand the 
> code, CMF borrows its access control from Zope itself, right? Is that 
> the part I need to look at?

Go to the "Security" tab of a CMFSite, and remove all anonymous
permissions (uncheck acquired, too).  Voila!  you have what you
want.

Tres.
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From listsmurf@bbox.org  Wed Jul 18 15:51:01 2001
From: listsmurf@bbox.org (Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:51:01 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Members only CMF?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180832360.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180832360.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <p05100302b77b50e851b6@[192.168.1.21]>

>Go to the "Security" tab of a CMFSite, and remove all anonymous
>permissions (uncheck acquired, too).  Voila!  you have what you
>want.

Looked at the Security tab, is it possible to have it set up that way 
by default when one creates a new CMFSite? The easiest way seems to 
amount to adding a few custom actions to the code that creates a new 
portal, adds the 'Members' folder etc.

Thnx!
Jonathan


From tseaver@digicool.com  Wed Jul 18 14:30:46 2001
From: tseaver@digicool.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:30:46 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Members only CMF?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180832360.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain> <p05100302b77b50e851b6@[192.168.1.21]>
Message-ID: <3B558F86.1080604@digicool.com>

Jonathan wrote:

>> Go to the "Security" tab of a CMFSite, and remove all anonymous
>> permissions (uncheck acquired, too).  Voila!  you have what you
>> want.


> Looked at the Security tab, is it possible to have it set up that way by 
> default when one creates a new CMFSite? The easiest way seems to amount 
> to adding a few custom actions to the code that creates a new portal, 
> adds the 'Members' folder etc.

We have a convention for setting up "customized" sites, which
is to write a script (PythonScript or ExternalMethod) which can
be run against a "stock" CMFSite.  In your case, the script would
run over all the permissions returned by the ZMI, setting (clearing,
actually) the permissions you want.

We are unlikely to add such a script to the product itself (but might
accept such a patch).

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From norbert@attira.com  Wed Jul 18 16:37:16 2001
From: norbert@attira.com (Norbert Marrale)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:37:16 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Registration Skin Broken?
In-Reply-To: <E15M5FO-00062F-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3B55C94C.5022.3B62AE@localhost>

After doing a checkout from the CVS today, I noticed a problem with 
registering new portal members when Zope needs to generate a user 
password.  

Invalid request
The parameter, password, was omitted from the request.

The new "register" skin in portal_skins/control seems to be the culprit.   
Copying the skin as released with CMF 1.1 to the custom skins folder 
seems to help for now.  Any ideas on how to fix the pythonscript skin 
and not having to revert to the old DTML one?

Norbert
(CMF site at http://www.attira.net)


On the Road of Life, 
there are Tourists and there are Travelers.
I'd rather be Traveling!

Norbert Marrale
norbert@infocatch.com



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul 18 17:04:02 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:04:02 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Returning XML documents from CMF
In-Reply-To: <694C70899F90D4118C4400D0B74741600DA3D6@VOYAGER>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHOEPNCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Hi Marc,

I'm afraid I don't have deep enough Zen to tell you why it works, but I'm
glad it did! :-)

I'm just starting to look at the possibilities of using XML with CMF, and
I'd like to fire a few questions/ideas at the group, if I may?

1. On the Proposed Enhancements page -
http://cmf.zope.org/rqmts/proposals/ - there's one that's titled "Apply
ParsedXML to Build Content Objects from XML", but it leads to an empty page?
Is this a dogbowl-bug, or just a document waiting to be written?

2. Perhaps there could be a library of pre-defined XML-content-types, based
on popular formats/DTDs (docbook, for example)? Each would have a CMF or XML
output method, and an import method - great for interchanging content with
other systems.

3. Total fantasy - what if there was a method/wizard for creating CMF
content-types by processing a DTD?

4. Thinking about the CMS/layouts/templates thread - has anyone played with
using XSLT for this? There are some examples for general Zope -

Software Product: XSLTemplate
http://www.zope.org/Members/karl/XSLTemplate/XSLTemplate

HiawathaZ Zope Plugin - includes "XSLT Bean"
http://www.pault.com/pault/prod/Hiawatha/HiawathaZ.html

Software Product: nXMLDocument
http://www.zope.org/Members/philh/nXMLDocument

- but has anyone considered it with CMF?

Downside : another technology to learn (but it would be optional, not
compulsory), possible performance-hit?

Upside : lots of tools/editors available (some open-source?) which might
allow you to hide the complexity from end-users?, interop with other
apps/systems, maximum buzzword-compliancy! ;-)

Cheers, Jon



From Marc.van.Grootel@mendez.nl  Wed Jul 18 17:18:32 2001
From: Marc.van.Grootel@mendez.nl (Marc van Grootel (Mendez Nederland))
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:18:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Returning XML documents from CMF
Message-ID: <694C70899F90D4118C4400D0B74741600DA3DA@VOYAGER>

Hi,

Jon Edwards wrote:

> 2. Perhaps there could be a library of pre-defined 
> XML-content-types, based
> on popular formats/DTDs (docbook, for example)? Each would 
> have a CMF or XML
> output method, and an import method - great for interchanging 
> content with
> other systems.
> 
> 3. Total fantasy - what if there was a method/wizard for creating CMF
> content-types by processing a DTD?

Reminds me of a perl module by Matt Sergeant. It has a nice
method of getting from form input to xml (and vice versa) using xpath. 
I quite liked the idea. 
(see http://theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca/CPAN/data/CGI-XMLForm/README.html)
BTW his more recent Axkit could contain some other neat ideas 
(see http://www.axkit.org)

--Marc


From andrew@digicool.com  Wed Jul 18 17:41:35 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:41:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
In-Reply-To: <3B54685D.2A702402@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOCEPHCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

Well, I guess that's fine since username and password is being passed over
the wire in the clear anyhow.  I don't see much difference whether it's in
the url or in a hidden form.  In either case an able person is going to get
them if they want them; I guess the log issue is just makes another area
where someone could exploit, thus I guess putting it into a post is the
better of two evils.  What about encoding them into a cookie, decoding them
on the server side?  Still crackable, but would take slightly more effort
and exclude script kiddies??
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: shane@localhost.localdomain [mailto:shane@localhost.localdomain]On
> Behalf Of Shane Hathaway
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 12:31 PM
> To: Andrew Sawyers
> Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
>
>
> Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> > Jens and I both think it's a bug; I couldn't come up with an
> easy solution;
> > all attempts at passing this through failed.  If you've got a
> solution, send
> > it on over.  Otherwise this is going to wait until one of us
> can devote more
> > time to it.  We've both got other things on our plate at the moment.
>
> Use a form with hidden fields.  Something like this (not looking at the
> code):
>
> <form action="logged_in" method="POST">
>   <input type="hidden" name="__ac_name" value="&dtml-name;" />
>   <input type="hidden" name="__ac_password" value="&dtml-password;" />
>   <input type="submit" value="Log in now" />
> </form>
>
> The disadvantage of passing a password in a URL is that it might show up
> in an HTTP log, which doesn't matter unless you're using HTTPS.  The
> hidden fields solution closes that hole.
>
> Shane
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org
> [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> > > Of Chris Withers
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 4:00 AM
> > > To: jens@digicool.com
> > > Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
> > > Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
> > >
> > >
> > > Jens,
> > >
> > > Did anyone have any thoughts about this bit of the bug?
> > >
> > > > > Also, should the registered method really contain a url which
> > > has both the
> > > > > username and password of a newly generated member in it?
> > > Seems like a bit of a
> > > > > security hole to me :-S
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > > Chris
>



From augusto@artlover.com  Wed Jul 18 17:58:07 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:58:07 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to count the number of replies?
Message-ID: <3B55C01F.3A95073B@artlover.com>

Is there a default method to count the number of replies to a
discussion-enabled content object?
How could it be done, in the case there isn't one?



Ausum


From tseaver@digicool.com  Wed Jul 18 17:59:10 2001
From: tseaver@digicool.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:59:10 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Registration Skin Broken?
References: <3B55C94C.5022.3B62AE@localhost>
Message-ID: <3B55C05E.5090407@digicool.com>

Norbert Marrale wrote:

> After doing a checkout from the CVS today, I noticed a problem with 
> registering new portal members when Zope needs to generate a user 
> password.  
> 
> Invalid request
> The parameter, password, was omitted from the request.
> 
> The new "register" skin in portal_skins/control seems to be the culprit.   
> Copying the skin as released with CMF 1.1 to the custom skins folder 
> seems to help for now.  Any ideas on how to fix the pythonscript skin 
> and not having to revert to the old DTML one?


Fix the PythonScript to have default values for the two parameters,
e.g.::

diff -u -r1.3 register.py
--- register.py	12 Jul 2001 15:51:46 -0000	1.3
+++ register.py	18 Jul 2001 16:56:51 -0000
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
  ## Script (Python) "register"
  ##title=Register a user
  ##bind namespace=_
-##parameters=password, confirm
+##parameters=password='password', confirm='confirm'
  REQUEST=context.REQUEST
  portal_properties = context.portal_properties
  portal_registration = context.portal_registration

I will check this in now, so you can:

  - update from CVS

  - apply the patch locally

  - customize the method and apply the patch by hand.


> 
> Norbert
> (CMF site at http://www.attira.net)


Cool!

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From curtis.horn@st.com  Wed Jul 18 18:39:30 2001
From: curtis.horn@st.com (curtis.horn@st.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:39:30 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Upgrading Zope and web apps
In-Reply-To: <E15Mtl5-0003dI-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <H000032700ed63e1@MHS>

     Sorry if my questions are to basic, I'm relatively new to zope.
     
     I've been using zope mostly as a web server and a place to keep my own 
     documents.  I'd like to make my site public (on company intranet 
     anyway) but first I want to know how to go about upgrading zope 
     itself.  My concern is that I will have something up and have to take 
     it down for a prolonged period, or worse yet lose content.
     
     Second question is about "web" apps.  I'm thinking of creating an 
     application that will be distributed across many tools and using zope 
     as the "glue" to hold them together.  Making results and data go to a 
     central location for all to use.  Any suggestions?
     
     
                Curtis




From khine@btinternet.com  Wed Jul 18 18:53:25 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:53:25 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] New Portal Type
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hello,
I have setup a new portal type as per various documentation, now the problem
I am getting is when I try to add a portal topic with MyNews as my
meta_type, the topic does not pick it up?

Any ideas as to how I can make these new meta_type known to the system. I
have changed the meta type value to MyNews, but I still am unable to query
it, if however I change the criteria to News Item, the topic finds it -- as
though my new type is still being registered as an old news type.

Any ideas or pointers

Regards

Norman

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From travis@scipy.org  Wed Jul 18 19:15:18 2001
From: travis@scipy.org (Travis N. Vaught)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:15:18 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Upgrade lost member Prefs
Message-ID: <KPEIKEPEIBGNGNKHDILIMECKCAAA.travis@enthought.com>

When migrating to the latest CMF and copying acl users and member folders,
the Preferences for each member were lost.  Namely, the Listed Status was
reset to Not Listed for everyone.  Is there a way, as an Administrator to
set the members' Listed Status individually.

Thanks



From listsmurf@bbox.org  Wed Jul 18 20:29:44 2001
From: listsmurf@bbox.org (Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:29:44 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Members only CMF?
In-Reply-To: <3B558F86.1080604@digicool.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180832360.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>
 <p05100302b77b50e851b6@[192.168.1.21]> <3B558F86.1080604@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <p05100303b77b9380f747@[192.168.1.21]>

>We have a convention for setting up "customized" sites, which
>is to write a script (PythonScript or ExternalMethod) which can
>be run against a "stock" CMFSite.  In your case, the script would
>run over all the permissions returned by the ZMI, setting (clearing,
>actually) the permissions you want.
>
>We are unlikely to add such a script to the product itself (but might
>accept such a patch).

Ah thanks. I'll see what I can do. BTW, disabling access to content 
for Anonymous breaks the redirect to the login page apparently, gets 
stuck in an endless loop redirecting to itself. Pretty logical of 
course since the login page is protected as well *sigh*

Cya
Jonathan


From Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de  Wed Jul 18 20:36:02 2001
From: Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de (Christoph Schirmer)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:36:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Members only CMF?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180832360.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>
 <p05100302b77b50e851b6@[192.168.1.21]> <3B558F86.1080604@digicool.com> <p05100303b77b9380f747@[192.168.1.21]>
Message-ID: <3B55E522.E639CFC2@snafu.de>

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ah - that´s the answer I never got when I asked twice :-)

Thanks,
Christoph

Jonathan wrote:

> BTW, disabling access to content
> for Anonymous breaks the redirect to the login page apparently, gets
> stuck in an endless loop redirecting to itself. Pretty logical of
> course since the login page is protected as well *sigh*
>

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From bkc@murkworks.com  Wed Jul 18 22:38:00 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:38:00 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Customized image_edit causes browser hang on upload, even with no changes
Message-ID: <3B55CA64.22918.5C3A8A31@localhost>

I want to customize image_edit so it can create a thumbnail if the image is uploaded as 
a child of a custom Folder meta-type.

I went to the content folder, found image_edit and clicked "customize"

In the manage screen of the custom image_edit, I clicked save without making any 
changes.

When I try to upload an image.. my browser now just hangs.

If I rename custom/image_edit to image_editXXX, the retry the image upload, it works.

There's something very strange happening here, any ideas?

CMF-1.1 on Zope-2.3.3 on RH Linux 7.0




Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements



From bkc@murkworks.com  Wed Jul 18 22:41:25 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:41:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Customize image_edit hang solved
Message-ID: <3B55CB31.29352.5C3DAB08@localhost>

Hmm. I had to add this line to the custom python script

file=context.REQUEST.file

Seems that whomever is calling the custom image_edit isn't passing a file argument...


Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements



From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 18 22:49:57 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:49:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to count the number of replies?
In-Reply-To: <3B55C01F.3A95073B@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107181746510.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Ausum wrote:

> Is there a default method to count the number of replies to a
> discussion-enabled content object?
> How could it be done, in the case there isn't one?

If you care only about the "top-level" replies to an object, you
can compute the length of the set returned by
'obj.talkback.getReplies()'.  If you want all replies "below" an
object, then use the new 'replyCount' method of DiscussionContainer
class (added to CVS after CMF 1.1).

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed Jul 18 23:15:52 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:15:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Customized image_edit causes browser hang on upload,
 even with no changes
In-Reply-To: <3B55CA64.22918.5C3A8A31@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107181756490.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Brad Clements wrote:

> I want to customize image_edit so it can create a thumbnail if
> the image is uploaded as a child of a custom Folder meta-type.
> 
> I went to the content folder, found image_edit and clicked
> "customize"
> 
> In the manage screen of the custom image_edit, I clicked save
> without making any changes.

Does it work before you click "Save changes"?  The object is
there once you click "Customize".

> When I try to upload an image.. my browser now just hangs.
> 
> If I rename custom/image_edit to image_editXXX, the retry the
> image upload, it works.
> 
> There's something very strange happening here, any ideas?
> 
> CMF-1.1 on Zope-2.3.3 on RH Linux 7.0

Hmm, have you customized the image upload form, by chance?  I
can't think of any other reason why this would break, and I
can't reproduce it on my Linux box against current CVS.

A couple of things to check:

  - Is the customized 'image_edit' a DTMLMethod or a
    PythonScript?

  - What browser are you uploading the file from?

  - Does the edit form have ':file' appended to the file
    browser element?

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From khine@btinternet.com  Thu Jul 19 00:00:42 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:00:42 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] The parameter, type_name, was omitted from the request. [for CMFWiki]
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIENFCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hello,
I just got CMFWiki setup, but am getting the following error when adding
pages

The parameter, type_name, was omitted from the request.

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
223, in publish_module
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
187, in publish
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
171, in publish
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 155,
in mapply
    (Object: invokeFactory)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
117, in missing_name
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/ZPublisher/HTTPResponse.py,
line 569, in badRequestError
BadRequest: (see above)


my setup is

Zope Version  Zope 2.3.3 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
Python Version  2.1 (#1, Jun 6 2001, 14:18:24) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024
(release)]
System Platform  freebsdRELENG_4_2001_03_07


Any help would be much appreciated.

Norman

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From augusto@artlover.com  Wed Jul 18 23:53:07 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:53:07 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to count the number of replies?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107181746510.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3B561353.101899EB@artlover.com>

Thank you very much, Tres. I've downloaded CMF from CVS not more than
three days ago, and the methods are in the DiscussionItem.py module, but
I can't get it to work, no matter what combination of code I've tried,
feeling my way all the time.  

Would you please post the code, in you don't mind, the same as you did
with 'obj.talkback.getReplies()' ?

Thanks in advance

Ausum


Tres Seaver wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Ausum wrote:
> 
> > Is there a default method to count the number of replies to a
> > discussion-enabled content object?
> > How could it be done, in the case there isn't one?
> 
> If you care only about the "top-level" replies to an object, you
> can compute the length of the set returned by
> 'obj.talkback.getReplies()'.  If you want all replies "below" an
> object, then use the new 'replyCount' method of DiscussionContainer
> class (added to CVS after CMF 1.1).
> 
> Tres.
> --
> ===============================================================
> Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
> Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests


From bkc@murkworks.com  Wed Jul 18 23:58:08 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:58:08 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF-HOWTO: automatically make thumbnails on image upload
Message-ID: <3B55DD2C.29995.5C83E59E@localhost>

A mini-howto

I have a custom portal type derived from a Zclass and Portal Folder. Users will be able 
to upload multiple images as child objects of this type.

I want to automatically make a thumbnail when the image is uploaded.

To do this, I customized image_edit (here it is)

import PIL.Image
import StringIO

file=REQUEST.file # work around hang "bug" in CMF-1.1 because file doesn't get passed if custom image_edit used

context.edit(
     precondition=precondition,
     file=file)

qst='?portal_status_message=Image+changed.'
   
parentFolder=context.REQUEST.PARENTS[1]

if parentFolder.meta_type == 'CompanyProduct' and \
    context.getId()[-10:] != '_Thumbnail':
    thumbName = context.getId()+'_Thumbnail'
    newthumb=getattr(parentFolder,thumbName,None)
    if not newthumb:
        newthumb = parentFolder.invokeFactory('Image',thumbName,RESPONSE=None)
    file.seek(0)
    im = PIL.Image.open(file) 
    im.thumbnail((200,200))
    outFile = StringIO.StringIO() 
    im.save(outFile,'jpeg')
    outFile.seek(0)
    newthumb.manage_upload(outFile) 
 
context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect( context.absolute_url() + '/image_edit_form' + qst )

--

Then I had to create a PILProduct that has this __init__.py ( to allow Python scripts to 
get access  to PIL)

from Products.PythonScripts.Utility import allow_module, allow_class
from StringIO import StringIO

import PIL.Image

allow_class(PIL.Image.Image)
allow_module('PIL.Image')


allow_class(StringIO)
allow_module('StringIO')


--

Unfortunately I had to use StringIO instead of cStringIO, because you can't pass 
cStringIO.StringIO to allow_class() 


Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements



From augusto@artlover.com  Thu Jul 19 01:56:15 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:56:15 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Strange catalog behaviour after uploading images
Message-ID: <3B56302F.14A01AB9@artlover.com>

I have a bunch of images uploaded to CMF trough FTP, after finding out
that they were catalogued with this operation.
Neverthelees they can't be found by their id, and after supossing it was
because of the 'private' status they're set by default after the
process, I set a few of them to 'published'. 

The problem is that while the CMF interface tells you the current image
is in 'published' mode, the catalog just don't know it, and if you
perform a manual catalog update the same images still are in private
condition to the catalog. 

Now, after uploading one image as usual through the member's desktop,
and publish it, the catalog behaviour is the same: The file is
catalogued as expected, but the image status is still private. A manual
update does solve the problem.

Are these issues currently in deveolpment, or is it possible that my CMF
installation has inconsistencies?.  


Thanks in advance,


Ausum


From yokemay@apdip.net  Thu Jul 19 08:49:16 2001
From: yokemay@apdip.net (Yoke May Seow)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:49:16 +0800
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Create search for folders
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180747480.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000601c11027$50fcd380$175ebbca@apdip.net>

Hi,

Here's part of the code on the customised search_form:

<select name="folder_name" multiple size="5">
    <option>A</option>
    <option>B</option>
</select>

I've created the property, 'folder_name', on the folders. On the Portal
Catalog, I created a Field Index on the Indexes and Metadata tab.

On the Advanced search, I entered a text on the Full text field and selected
option A. The search results found 0 items.

What is going on?

Regards,
SEOW Yoke May
Webmaster @ www.apdip.net
Email: yokemay@apdip.net
Tel: +603-2559122 ext. 2206
Fax: +603-2539740
Mobile: +6016-2837395
ICQ: 321345



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed Jul 18 22:20:33 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:20:33 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] New religion
References: <B779C146.30908%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <3B55FDA1.72D993CE@nipltd.com>

marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> > From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> >
> > This feels like something that belongs in a workflow or event model.
> 
> Or inherited from a mixin class?

Nah, it'd be a sercice in the new religion model, which I like very much :-)

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed Jul 18 22:35:47 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:35:47 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflow (public/private), reusing code, and separation
 ofpresentation...
References: <B779D335.30928%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <3B560133.EB352F6D@nipltd.com>

I just wanted to shout "me too!" with this...

The content object should not let people get it's attributes if the workflow
state doesn't allow it. That should be the case with CookedBody() below...

cheers,

Chris


marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> I know this overlaps some current threads, but to focus on this issue.  I'm
> doing a CMF portal where there are other areas (folders) than the Members
> area, and I'm running into the situation that in order to properly observe
> the Workflow (e.g. with the default, simply controlling public/private
> display behavior), I have to explicitly put DTML to check for this every
> place I want to display something.
> 
> For example, I have a page which shows, among other things, the text from
> another document called 'bio' in a table cell (if it exists):
> 
> <TD>
>   <dtml-if expr="_.getitem('bio', 0)"><dtml-var
> "bio.CookedBody()"></dtml-if>
> </TD>
> 
> Now, that will show bio regardless of it's workflow status, unless I put a
> pile of code in there.
> 
> Seems to me, the object (Document or whatever) should know better?  Also,
> even if it doesn't, is there a standardized way to test for whether it's
> displayable, independant of the exact workflow (e.g. what if there's no
> 'published' state, it's called 'public' instead?)
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed Jul 18 22:30:14 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:30:14 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
References: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOCEPHCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B55FFE6.C5153016@nipltd.com>

Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> 
> Well, I guess that's fine since username and password is being passed over
> the wire in the clear anyhow.  I don't see much difference whether it's in
> the url or in a hidden form.  In either case an able person is going to get
> them if they want them; I guess the log issue is just makes another area
> where someone could exploit, thus I guess putting it into a post is the
> better of two evils.  What about encoding them into a cookie, decoding them
> on the server side?  Still crackable, but would take slightly more effort
> and exclude script kiddies??

I can't think of a good solution here.

What I would say is that if there is no good solution, the 'log me in' feature
should really be removed. It's not too much to ask people to type their username
and password in after they've just joined...

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed Jul 18 22:38:07 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:38:07 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] MetaType in TypeInformation objects
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180741250.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3B5601BF.C69BDF77@nipltd.com>

Tres Seaver wrote:
> 
> Nope;  you can't know from the name of the factory method what
> class it will instantiate, and therefore you can't get to the
> meta_type.

Yeah, I see this now, but this is a problem. I've already been bitten several
times by putting the wrong thing in that box. Should this problem be solved by
Zope in general? Should factory methods return the meta_type of objects they
create?

I dunno, I'm just guessing here...

cheers,

Chris




From robert@redcor.ch  Thu Jul 19 09:35:15 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:35:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Can not import cmf-win.zexp in unix and vicewersa
Message-ID: <002801c1102d$bdf09d40$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Hi there,
looks like the cr/lf monster has struk again.

When I import a CMF-site into a Zope running on Linux it does not show =
any file-system skins content for skins I created under windows.

When I copy the skins-folder from a Site I create on the Linux box =
things are fine again.

When I then bring that site back to the windows box per export/import =
there is no skins-content anymore (the sins-folder however are there).

I am using Zope 2.3.3 and CMF-1.1

I wonder whether the CR/LF fix for python scripts that was in the CVS =
did not make it to the final CMF-1.1

robert

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi there,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>looks like the cr/lf&nbsp;monster has =
struk=20
again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I import a CMF-site into a Zope =
running on=20
Linux it does not show any file-system skins content for skins I created =
under=20
windows.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I copy the skins-folder from a =
Site I create=20
on the Linux box things are fine again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I then bring that site back to the =
windows box=20
per export/import there is no skins-content anymore (the sins-folder =
however are=20
there).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am using Zope 2.3.3 and =
CMF-1.1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wonder whether the CR/LF fix for =
python scripts=20
that was in the&nbsp;CVS did not make it to the final =
CMF-1.1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>robert</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From karimy@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 19 10:10:53 2001
From: karimy@nipltd.com (Karim Yaici)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:10:53 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] New Portal Type
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com>

Hi there,
I remember I had the same problem when trying to create a Factory-based
content type based on the Document type. Though I have changed the 'meta
type' to 'My Document' (in the portal_types form), it is still recording it
as Document.
> I have setup a new portal type as per various documentation, now the
problem
> I am getting is when I try to add a portal topic with MyNews as my
> meta_type, the topic does not pick it up?

Maybe you can search for the items by 'Type' rather than  by 'Meta Type'. I
don't know what are the drawbacks of this methd, though.

Cheers,

Karim



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 19 10:16:44 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:16:44 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] New Portal Type
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com> <006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B56A57C.4A15CD32@nipltd.com>

Karim Yaici wrote:
> 
> I remember I had the same problem when trying to create a Factory-based
> content type based on the Document type. Though I have changed the 'meta
> type' to 'My Document' (in the portal_types form), it is still recording it
> as Document.

Hehe, Tres, another one bitten ;-)

Karim,

The meta_type should never be changed, unless you actually change the meta_type
of the python product the type is based on.

cheers,

Chris (who also got confused by this)


From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul 19 11:10:45 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:10:45 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Customized image_edit causes browser hang on upload, even with no changes
In-Reply-To: <3B55CA64.22918.5C3A8A31@localhost>; from bkc@murkworks.com on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 05:38:00PM -0400
References: <3B55CA64.22918.5C3A8A31@localhost>
Message-ID: <20010719111043.C32136@lenin.jamkit.com>

<fairly useless comment>
 I had something similar yesterday with the stylesheet properties.  I
 clicked 'customize', did nothing to the customized file, and the
 display went screwy.  I deleted the customized file, and everything
 went normal again.
</fairly useless comment>

seb

* Brad Clements <bkc@murkworks.com> [010718 22:46]:
> I want to customize image_edit so it can create a thumbnail if the image is uploaded as 
> a child of a custom Folder meta-type.
> 
> I went to the content folder, found image_edit and clicked "customize"
> 
> In the manage screen of the custom image_edit, I clicked save without making any 
> changes.
> 
> When I try to upload an image.. my browser now just hangs.
> 
> If I rename custom/image_edit to image_editXXX, the retry the image upload, it works.
> 
> There's something very strange happening here, any ideas?
> 
> CMF-1.1 on Zope-2.3.3 on RH Linux 7.0


From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul 19 11:13:06 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:13:06 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Customize image_edit hang solved
In-Reply-To: <3B55CB31.29352.5C3DAB08@localhost>; from bkc@murkworks.com on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 05:41:25PM -0400
References: <3B55CB31.29352.5C3DAB08@localhost>
Message-ID: <20010719111305.D32136@lenin.jamkit.com>

OK, that means my useless comment was *really* useless ;-)

Still, a bit puzzling.  If it crops up again when I'm not in a
frenzied rush, I'll look into it more.

seb

* Brad Clements <bkc@murkworks.com> [010718 22:49]:
> Hmm. I had to add this line to the custom python script
> 
> file=context.REQUEST.file
> 
> Seems that whomever is calling the custom image_edit isn't passing a file argument...


From khine@btinternet.com  Thu Jul 19 10:45:05 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:45:05 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] New Portal Type
In-Reply-To: <006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOMEDHCLAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Thanks to all, for clarifying this, it is confusing, but we are all learning
by experimenting ;^)



-----Original Message-----
From: Karim Yaici [mailto:karimy@nipltd.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:11 AM
To: Norman Khine; Zope-CMF
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] New Portal Type


Hi there,
I remember I had the same problem when trying to create a Factory-based
content type based on the Document type. Though I have changed the 'meta
type' to 'My Document' (in the portal_types form), it is still recording it
as Document.
> I have setup a new portal type as per various documentation, now the
problem
> I am getting is when I try to add a portal topic with MyNews as my
> meta_type, the topic does not pick it up?

Maybe you can search for the items by 'Type' rather than  by 'Meta Type'. I
don't know what are the drawbacks of this methd, though.

Cheers,

Karim




From gitte@mmmanager.org  Thu Jul 19 10:40:25 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:40:25 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Isn't Creator a property ?
Message-ID: <01071911402501.01914@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I want to make a path to the creator of an object's memberfolder.

I tried with something like this:
<dtml-let memberfolder="'Members/' + Creator">
 <dtml-var memberfolder>
</dtml-let>

But got this error:
Error Type: TypeError
Error Value: illegal argument type for built-in operation

Okay ... then I tried with this:
<dtml-let memberfolder="'Members/' + _.str(Creator)">
 <dtml-var memberfolder>
</dtml-let>

But then the output is:
Members/<Python Method object at 88ffce8>

Is the Creator an object or a property ???

Any other to find the memberfolder of the creator ??

Regards,
-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
This breaks the cron job that calls self.Zoo.Diet.LargeAnimals.hippo.feed(),
and all the hippos starve. Someone uses 
self.Zoo.Diet.buildings.visitor_reception.feed(),
and ends up filling the reception with hippo food.

	- Toby Dickenson, 20 Oct 2000 (Talking about URL Traversal


From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul 19 11:22:29 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:22:29 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Isn't Creator a property ?
In-Reply-To: <01071911402501.01914@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>; from gitte@mmmanager.org on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:40:25AM +0200
References: <01071911402501.01914@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <20010719112227.E32136@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> [010719 10:45]:

< snip >

> Is the Creator an object or a property ???

It's a method :-)

  Creator()

seb


From khine@btinternet.com  Thu Jul 19 10:50:55 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:50:55 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Swishdot & Berlin Slides
In-Reply-To: <3B569F1F.6B19D8AB@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOGEDICLAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Sorry Chris,
My fault, I was loging in for the Swishdot tree and not squshdot as it
clearly states in the instructions, perhaps I need a pair of specks now.

I checked this out out last night, but am getting errors on starting the
zope server, any thoughts? here is the traceback of the broken Swishdot
product

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line 528,
in import_products
    product=__import__(pname, global_dict, global_dict, silly)
  File
"/usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/Products/Swishdot/__init__.py", line
6, in ?
    from DiscussionTool import DiscussionTool
IndentationError: expected an indented block (DiscussionTool.py, line 57)

regards

norman



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Withers [mailto:chrisw@nipltd.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 9:50 AM
To: Norman Khine
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Swishdot & Berlin Slides


Norman Khine wrote:
>
> the cvs for swishdot does not allow anonymous login in, i can log in for
> squishdot, but I get an authorization fail?!

Hmmm, is anyone else experiencing this?

cheers,

Chris




From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul 19 11:26:50 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:26:50 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Upgrading Zope and web apps
In-Reply-To: <H000032700ed63e1@MHS>; from curtis.horn@st.com on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 10:39:30AM -0700
References: <E15Mtl5-0003dI-00@mail.python.org> <H000032700ed63e1@MHS>
Message-ID: <20010719112648.F32136@lenin.jamkit.com>

Hi Curtis,

Since your questions aren't specifically about the CMF, which is a
framework built on top of Zope, you might get more answers from the
zope@zope.org mailing list.

* curtis.horn@st.com <curtis.horn@st.com> [010718 18:49]:
>      I've been using zope mostly as a web server and a place to keep my own 
>      documents.  I'd like to make my site public (on company intranet 
>      anyway) but first I want to know how to go about upgrading zope 
>      itself.  My concern is that I will have something up and have to take 
>      it down for a prolonged period, or worse yet lose content.

To upgrade Zope, the worst case scenario is this: install the new
version to a different location; copy the Data.fs file from the old
location to the new one; stop the old zope; start the new zope.  You
won't lose any data.

>      Second question is about "web" apps.  I'm thinking of creating an 
>      application that will be distributed across many tools and using zope 
>      as the "glue" to hold them together.  Making results and data go to a 
>      central location for all to use.  Any suggestions?

Of course, you'll be building your tools in python :-)  Look at
wxPython for a good GUI toolkit.  Look at XML-RPC for remote
invocation of zope methods.

seb


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Thu Jul 19 10:48:19 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:48:19 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Isn't Creator a property ?
In-Reply-To: <20010719112227.E32136@lenin.jamkit.com>
References: <01071911402501.01914@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <20010719112227.E32136@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <01071911481902.01914@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Thursday 19 July 2001 12:22, you wrote:
> * Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> [010719 10:45]:
>
> < snip >
>
> > Is the Creator an object or a property ???
>
> It's a method :-)
>
>   Creator()
>
> seb

Thanks seb :-)

memberfolder="'Members/' + Creator()" works :-)

Is this method documented anywhere ?
(Couldn't find it in the help docs for Zope).

And what object is it a method of ?

Regards,

-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
Yeah, yeah, it's 7PM Christmas Eve over there, and you're in the
middle of your Christmas dinner. You might feel that it's
unreasonable of me to ask you to test out my latest crazy idea. How
selfish of you. Get back there in front of the computer NOW.
Christmas can wait. Linus "the Grinch" Torvalds 

	- Linus Torvalds


From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul 19 11:29:13 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:29:13 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Strange catalog behaviour after uploading images
In-Reply-To: <3B56302F.14A01AB9@artlover.com>; from augusto@artlover.com on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 07:56:15PM -0500
References: <3B56302F.14A01AB9@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <20010719112912.G32136@lenin.jamkit.com>

I've never seen this problem with any versions of the CMF.  Updating
the status of an object in the catalog is the responsability of the
Workflow.  Have you altered it at all?

seb

* Ausum <augusto@artlover.com> [010719 01:59]:
<snip>

> Now, after uploading one image as usual through the member's desktop,
> and publish it, the catalog behaviour is the same: The file is
> catalogued as expected, but the image status is still private. A manual
> update does solve the problem.


From seb@jamkit.com  Thu Jul 19 11:39:17 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:39:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Isn't Creator a property ?
In-Reply-To: <01071911481902.01914@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>; from gitte@mmmanager.org on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:48:19AM +0200
References: <01071911402501.01914@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <20010719112227.E32136@lenin.jamkit.com> <01071911481902.01914@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <20010719113915.H32136@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> [010719 10:58]:
> On Thursday 19 July 2001 12:22, you wrote:
> > * Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> [010719 10:45]:
> >
> > < snip >
> >
> > > Is the Creator an object or a property ???
> >
> > It's a method :-)
> >
> >   Creator()

> Is this method documented anywhere ?
> (Couldn't find it in the help docs for Zope).
> And what object is it a method of ?

It's a method of DublinCore.  The best place for documentation of this
kind of thing at the moment is a servce's interface definition:

  CMFCore/interfaces/DublinCore.py

Quick thought: it would be easy enough to write a script to HTML-ize
the interfaces and their doc strings.  Didn't Dieter do something like
this? 

seb


From lei@boxer.no  Thu Jul 19 12:28:59 2001
From: lei@boxer.no (Lene Eikemo)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:28:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Login
Message-ID: <EAEJIHBAHBPCHHOMEBNBOEGKCAAA.lei@boxer.no>

I want my CMF-site-members to enter from an intranet-site without loggin in!
In other words; when the user clicks on the Zope-link on the intranet,he
automatically gets his "My stuff" -without seeing the login-schema at all.
Is this possible???
(the user is authenticated at the intranet using LDAP, and I'm planning to
use LoginManager with LDAP-aut.) (or should i use LDAPAdapter? I'm NOT going
to change/add user-records in Zope)

Lene K



From norman@khine.net  Thu Jul 19 12:37:53 2001
From: norman@khine.net (Norman Khine)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:37:53 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFWiki -- Error Value: URL
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOEEDMCLAA.norman@khine.net>

Hi,
I am currently, experimenting, with the cmfwiki type, for use in
colaborative member project/s creations. But I am finding, that a wiki page
is being displayed when a search is made as a found item, but if a member
clicks on this they get an error, which is as follows:

Zope Error
Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.

Error Type: KeyError
Error Value: URL

and traceback

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
223, in publish_module
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
187, in publish
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: FrontPage)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
171, in publish
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160,
in mapply
    (Object: view)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
112, in call_object
    (Object: view)
  File
/usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/PortalContent.py,
line 247, in view
    (Object: FrontPage)
  File
/usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/Products/CMFWiki/CMFWikiPage.py, line
139, in __call__
    (Object: FrontPage)
  File
/usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/FSDTMLMethod.py, line
182, in __call__
    (Object: RestrictedDTML)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
line 540, in __call__
    (Object: RestrictedDTML)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 182, in
__call__
    (Object: standard_html_header)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
line 540, in __call__
    (Object: standard_html_header)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 182, in
__call__
    (Object: standard_top_bar)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
line 540, in __call__
    (Object: standard_top_bar)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Let.py,
line 149, in render
    (Object: member="portal_membership.getAuthenticatedMember()"
              listMembers="portal_membership.checkPermission('List portal
members', member)")
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Var.py,
line 277, in render
    (Object: URL)
KeyError: (see above)



I can view the wiki, only if I use the wiki contents link, if this is the
case, how do I ensure that if a user makes a search and finds a wiki page,
this link is not broken as is with the above error.

thanks

Norman





From Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au>  Thu Jul 19 12:53:16 2001
From: Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au> (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:53:16 +1000
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Login
In-Reply-To: Message from "Lene Eikemo" <lei@boxer.no>
 of "Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:28:59 +0200." <EAEJIHBAHBPCHHOMEBNBOEGKCAAA.lei@boxer.no>
Message-ID: <200107191153.f6JBrHW22218@mbuna.arbhome.com.au>

If you can get them to use Client-side certificates, I have a 
ClientCertUserDb that could probably be adapted for use in the CMF.

Anthony

>>> "Lene Eikemo" wrote
> I want my CMF-site-members to enter from an intranet-site without loggin in!
> In other words; when the user clicks on the Zope-link on the intranet,he
> automatically gets his "My stuff" -without seeing the login-schema at all.
> Is this possible???
> (the user is authenticated at the intranet using LDAP, and I'm planning to
> use LoginManager with LDAP-aut.) (or should i use LDAPAdapter? I'm NOT going
> to change/add user-records in Zope)
> 
> Lene K
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requ
ests
> 

-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.



From jens@digicool.com  Thu Jul 19 13:32:32 2001
From: jens@digicool.com (Jens Vagelpohl)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:32:32 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Login
In-Reply-To: <EAEJIHBAHBPCHHOMEBNBOEGKCAAA.lei@boxer.no>
Message-ID: <20010719123307.A319213930@kermit.dataflake.org>

lene,

this is probably not possible if your intranet site and your zope site are 
on different machines with different hostnames. the browser will not send 
username and password information it collected on one site when you browse 
to another site, regardless of whether your intranet site uses cookies or 
basic auth. even the fact that both sites use the same user data on the 
backend does not change this, it's just a basic browser "security" issue.

there is always the (pretty insecure) method of putting username and 
password into the link that the user clicks to jump to the intranet. an 
example of that can be found in your CMF, look for "registered.dtml" in 
the portal_types tool under the "generic" skins folder. this is not secure 
because username and password are sent across the network in clear text, 
however, if both your sites are internal and not accessed from the outside 
that might be all you need.

a more complicated way of doing it would be at the user folder level, but 
this would require writing python code. your link on the intranet site 
could have a query string with a username and encrypted password that 
would be tested for and compared with the encrypted version of that user's 
password in the user folder.

jens




On Thursday, July 19, 2001, at 07:28 , Lene Eikemo wrote:

> I want my CMF-site-members to enter from an intranet-site without loggin 
> in!
> In other words; when the user clicks on the Zope-link on the intranet,he
> automatically gets his "My stuff" -without seeing the login-schema at all.
> Is this possible???
> (the user is authenticated at the intranet using LDAP, and I'm planning to
> use LoginManager with LDAP-aut.) (or should i use LDAPAdapter? I'm NOT 
> going
> to change/add user-records in Zope)
>
> Lene K
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature 
> requests


From pra@baba9.com  Thu Jul 19 13:40:40 2001
From: pra@baba9.com (Priya Ramkumar)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:10:40 +0530
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Structured text & CMF1.1
Message-ID: <00ce01c11050$0584c560$0f00a8c0@websoft.com>

Hi

I am using CMF1.1 & Zope2.3.3. I am trying to create documents using
structured text but have problems in creating. When I indent the paragraphs
to create headings, the headings do not appear as H1. Also, creating tables
using "||" does not seem to work. And, the text in unordered list appears in
a bigger font then the rest of the text.

Example:

Heading1

  This is indented ....

  || c1 || c2 ||
  || ab || cd ||

  o element1

  o element2

  o element3

Could anyone tell me what mistake I am doing?

Thanks.
Priya



From tseaver@palladion.com  Thu Jul 19 13:45:57 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:45:57 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Isn't Creator a property ?
References: <01071911402501.01914@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <20010719112227.E32136@lenin.jamkit.com> <01071911481902.01914@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <20010719113915.H32136@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B56D685.6010106@palladion.com>

seb bacon wrote:

> * Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> [010719 10:58]:
> 
>>On Thursday 19 July 2001 12:22, you wrote:
>>
>>>* Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> [010719 10:45]:
>>>
>>>< snip >
>>>
>>>>Is the Creator an object or a property ???
>>>>
>>>It's a method :-)
>>>
>>>  Creator()
>>>
> 
>>Is this method documented anywhere ?
>>(Couldn't find it in the help docs for Zope).
>>And what object is it a method of ?
>>
> 
> It's a method of DublinCore.  The best place for documentation of this
> kind of thing at the moment is a servce's interface definition:
> 
>   CMFCore/interfaces/DublinCore.py
> 
> Quick thought: it would be easy enough to write a script to HTML-ize
> the interfaces and their doc strings.  Didn't Dieter do something like
> this? 


CMFCore registers those interface files as "API Help";  check the
Zope help system.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From marc@bowery.com  Thu Jul 19 14:22:39 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:22:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
In-Reply-To: <3B55FFE6.C5153016@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <B77C575F.30BA5%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> 
> What I would say is that if there is no good solution, the 'log me in' feature
> should really be removed. It's not too much to ask people to type their
> username
> and password in after they've just joined...

Or, remove the log me in feature and just log the person in, not in a
separate step...

Why else would they join?



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Thu Jul 19 14:28:05 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:28:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Isn't Creator a property ?
In-Reply-To: <3B56D685.6010106@palladion.com>
References: <01071911402501.01914@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <20010719113915.H32136@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B56D685.6010106@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <01071915280509.01914@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Thursday 19 July 2001 14:45, you wrote:
> seb bacon wrote:
> > * Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> [010719 10:58]:
> >>On Thursday 19 July 2001 12:22, you wrote:
> >>>* Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> [010719 10:45]:
> >>>
> >>>< snip >
> >>>
> >>>>Is the Creator an object or a property ???
> >>>
> >>>It's a method :-)
> >>>
> >>>  Creator()
> >>
> >>Is this method documented anywhere ?
> >>(Couldn't find it in the help docs for Zope).
> >>And what object is it a method of ?
> >
> > It's a method of DublinCore.  The best place for documentation of this
> > kind of thing at the moment is a servce's interface definition:
> >
> >   CMFCore/interfaces/DublinCore.py
> >
> > Quick thought: it would be easy enough to write a script to HTML-ize
> > the interfaces and their doc strings.  Didn't Dieter do something like
> > this?
>
> CMFCore registers those interface files as "API Help";  check the
> Zope help system.
>
> Tres.

Thank you Seb - I found it :-)

I was wondering - is there some "tool" out there to create an API doc help 
from your python classes ????

They all look so "standard" so I thought you had used some kind of template 
or so.

Regards,

-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
Oh, I can agree with that. Discipline can be good for you. 

	- Linus Torvalds


From Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au>  Thu Jul 19 14:47:56 2001
From: Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au> (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:47:56 +1000
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Login
In-Reply-To: Message from Jens Vagelpohl <jens@digicool.com>
 of "Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:32:32 -0400." <20010719123307.A319213930@kermit.dataflake.org>
Message-ID: <200107191347.f6JDlu622932@mbuna.arbhome.com.au>

couldn't you use a cookie set up to go to all machines in the domain?

hacky as hell, but...

Anthony

>>> Jens Vagelpohl wrote
> lene,
> 
> this is probably not possible if your intranet site and your zope site are 
> on different machines with different hostnames. the browser will not send 
> username and password information it collected on one site when you browse 
> to another site, regardless of whether your intranet site uses cookies or 
> basic auth. even the fact that both sites use the same user data on the 
> backend does not change this, it's just a basic browser "security" issue.
> 
> there is always the (pretty insecure) method of putting username and 
> password into the link that the user clicks to jump to the intranet. an 
> example of that can be found in your CMF, look for "registered.dtml" in 
> the portal_types tool under the "generic" skins folder. this is not secure 
> because username and password are sent across the network in clear text, 
> however, if both your sites are internal and not accessed from the outside 
> that might be all you need.
> 
> a more complicated way of doing it would be at the user folder level, but 
> this would require writing python code. your link on the intranet site 
> could have a query string with a username and encrypted password that 
> would be tested for and compared with the encrypted version of that user's 
> password in the user folder.
> 
> jens
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, July 19, 2001, at 07:28 , Lene Eikemo wrote:
> 
> > I want my CMF-site-members to enter from an intranet-site without loggin 
> > in!
> > In other words; when the user clicks on the Zope-link on the intranet,he
> > automatically gets his "My stuff" -without seeing the login-schema at all.
> > Is this possible???
> > (the user is authenticated at the intranet using LDAP, and I'm planning to
> > use LoginManager with LDAP-aut.) (or should i use LDAPAdapter? I'm NOT 
> > going
> > to change/add user-records in Zope)
> >
> > Lene K
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature 
> > requests
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requ
ests
> 

-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.



From norton@alum.mit.edu  Thu Jul 19 17:27:49 2001
From: norton@alum.mit.edu (Joseph Wayne Norton)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:27:49 +0900
Subject: [Zope-CMF] PortalFolders - 2 questions
Message-ID: <877kx4g9yy.wl@namaste.tokyo.att.ne.jp>

Hello.

I have 2 questions regarding PortalFolders.

 - using FTP - is it possible to specify or turn on/turn off behavior
   of whether a normal Zope Folder or a CMF PortalFolder is created
   due to a mkdir command?  My current understanding is that a Zope
   folder will always be created.  Documents seem to behave as
   expected.

 - allowed_content_types - what is the best way to support this
   behavior on an instance basis?  Currently, this behavior seems to
   be supported only on a class basis.

   For example, I would like to limit certain PortalFolders to only
   allow for "Images" to be added.  I can think of 2 ways of doing
   this currently.

   a. create a new PortalFolder-like python class whose base class is
      PortalFolder ... such as PortalImageFolder.  Then use the
      type_tool to set allowed_content_types only to "Image".

   b. after adding a PortalFolder set a property such as
      "self.allowed_content_types_on_an_instance_basis = (Image,)"

      modify the invokeFactory skin to check for this property hanging
      off of each PortalFolderish object and filter based on this
      property as well.

thanks,

- joe n.




      


From palomar@sg.uji.es  Thu Jul 19 17:46:19 2001
From: palomar@sg.uji.es (Juan David Ibáñez Palomar)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:46:19 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Multilingual cmf site (plain text)
In-Reply-To: <002a01c10f67$59c8e230$4ac809c0@saraswathi> from "Dhanu" at Jul 18, 2001 02:25:10 PM
Message-ID: <20010719164620.235BB66B@nuvol.uji.es>

Hi Dhanu,

I'm not a CMF user so I can't say too much. Well, my suggestion is
to download the latest Localizer release (0.5.1) and try the tutorial
that includes (localizer_tutorial.zexp), I think it will give some
clue.

On a related note, is there somebody else using (or trying to use)
the Localizer with CMF? I'd like to make it to play nicely with
CMF, but I need help for that since I'm not a CMF user, any feedback
would be very appreciated.


Regards,
jdavid



> 
> Hai Friends,
> 
> iam working on building a web site with cmf with multi language
> functionality.
> I came across Localizer and i felt it is good for providing links and some
> static content in multiple languages.
> 
> Does any one has good idea of how to proceed in building good Multilingual
> cmf site.
> 
> I did not spent much time thinking on how to do it.
> I thought it is better to take your opinion in proceeding further,as iam
> still a newbie.
> 
> Your ideas are very much appreciated.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> regards,
> Dhanu
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I hope above message is in plain text
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests
> 



From rlist@apogee-tech.com  Thu Jul 19 18:33:19 2001
From: rlist@apogee-tech.com (Richard Shebora)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:33:19 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Virtual Hosting with CMF...
In-Reply-To: <877kx4g9yy.wl@namaste.tokyo.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <GFELIDNLAKJNDMKLEKCDGELECDAA.rlist@apogee-tech.com>

Hi all,

I just started using Zope two months ago and love it.  I have done a lot of
reading to figure out how to do virtual hosting, and want to host a dozen or
so sites from one instance of Zope.  So far it works great.  It does not
behave as expected on the WebDav and FTP though.  There are several ways to
do Virtual hosting... could you guys shed some light on the one that works
consistently across all protocols that Zope serves up?

Currently using a standard rewriter and clever path management within each
site's folder.  No siteroot or virtual hosting monsters yet.  I can get the
two latter methods to work, but only for one domain.  I know I am missing
something and/or just don't see the snake.

Not looking for anyone to do all the work for me, unless there's a
convenient snippet available.  I hope that someone can suggest the best
approach and offer some links to the resources that I can read for that
approach.  I am still very new to this, but am committed to making it work.

Thanks,
Richard

The following is the rewriter code:
===============================

<dtml-unless "REQUEST.path and REQUEST.path[0][:6]=='manage'">

<dtml-in "[('www.apogaion.com', 'www.apogaion.com'),]">
<dtml-if "HTTP_HOST[-_.len(_['sequence-key']):]==_['sequence-key']">
<dtml-call "REQUEST.path.append(_['sequence-item'])">
<dtml-return " 'ignored' ">
</dtml-if>
</dtml-in>

<dtml-in "[('www.shebora.com', 'www.shebora.com'),]">
<dtml-if "HTTP_HOST[-_.len(_['sequence-key']):]==_['sequence-key']">
<dtml-call "REQUEST.path.append(_['sequence-item'])">
<dtml-return " 'ignored' ">
</dtml-if>
</dtml-in>

<dtml-call "REQUEST['TraversalRequestNameStack'].append('hosted')">

</dtml-unless>




From mark.langkau@pbmplus.com  Thu Jul 19 20:33:42 2001
From: mark.langkau@pbmplus.com (Mark Langkau)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:33:42 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Printable Page - URL problems w/CMFWiki
Message-ID: <3B573616.92D5F582@pbmplus.com>

Hi,

I'm having a problem using the Printable Page howto with CMFWiki. (I
realize that CMFWiki is unsupported, so maybe I'll disguise this as a
question about "portal_url" ;-)

The howto uses  <a href="&dtml-URL;?portal_skin=Printable">print</a>
and that seems to work great everywhere. However, when I click on wiki
help on a CMFWiki page, Zope complains about  **URL**

If I change dtml-URL to dtml-portal_url the wiki help pages work fine,
but that breaks Printable Page. What happens is no matter where I am in
the portal, the Home page is retrieved as the printable page.

What's the difference between URL and portal_url?  Is portal_url the CMF
version of URL? I am also using VirtualHostMonster for this site. Is
that contributing to my problem?

Thanks,
Mark



From andrew@digicool.com  Thu Jul 19 21:03:12 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:03:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
In-Reply-To: <B77C575F.30BA5%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOGEPJCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

We've decided to implement Shane's suggestion unless compelling arguments
are made and Tres' instructs me to do otherwise.  I've not yet made the
changes yet....
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of marc lindahl
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 9:23 AM
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
>
>
>
>
> > From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> >
> > What I would say is that if there is no good solution, the 'log
> me in' feature
> > should really be removed. It's not too much to ask people to type their
> > username
> > and password in after they've just joined...
>
> Or, remove the log me in feature and just log the person in, not in a
> separate step...
>
> Why else would they join?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From aem@byu.edu  Thu Jul 19 21:51:08 2001
From: aem@byu.edu (Adrian Madrid)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:51:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Create search for folders
In-Reply-To: <000601c11027$50fcd380$175ebbca@apdip.net>
Message-ID: <20010719205108.90739.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Yoke May Seow <yokemay@apdip.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Here's part of the code on the customised
> search_form:
> 
> <select name="folder_name" multiple size="5">
>     <option>A</option>
>     <option>B</option>
> </select>
> 
> I've created the property, 'folder_name', on the
> folders.  On the Portal
> Catalog, I created a Field Index on the Indexes and
> Metadata tab.

Are these normal folders (not portal folders)? Check
to see if these folders are even in the catalog. I'm
not sure if the portal_catalog does the normal
folders.

> On the Advanced search, I entered a text on the Full
> text field and selected
> option A. The search results found 0 items.

If the folders are in the catalog then you need to: 
* Know that full text search gets the information from
SearchableText which in turn is a method that usually
includes title, description and text
(documents,news,etc.) 
* Two options:
  - Change/create the SearchableText method to include
your property for the folder.
  - Search for folder folder_name=='A'

Hope it helps,



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From Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de  Thu Jul 19 22:17:35 2001
From: Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de (Christoph Schirmer)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:17:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Frames prob
References: <3B573616.92D5F582@pbmplus.com>
Message-ID: <3B574E6F.F9F1F05F@snafu.de>

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How can one set up a page with frames, using dtml-methods?

I wanted to setup a frameset, with the navigation on the left, using the dtml method
sidebar.
But with SRC="<dtml-var sidebar>" I get "400 bad request", with SRC=<dtml-var
sidebar> I get ressource not found, and from the source code I can see that the cmf
changes the last section of the url to the first characters in the method (e.g. the
dmtl method starts with <html>, source code says it can´t find a page
http://..../%3html)

So how does one set up a frameset, rendering the contents with dtml-methods?

Any help appreciated.
Christoph

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From Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de  Thu Jul 19 22:21:18 2001
From: Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de (Christoph Schirmer)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:21:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Frames prob solved
References: <3B573616.92D5F582@pbmplus.com> <3B574E6F.F9F1F05F@snafu.de>
Message-ID: <3B574F4E.B0AB7630@snafu.de>

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Walking to the kitchen for a coffee I solved the prob, of course :-)
One simply uses the title :-)

Sorry,
Christoph

Christoph Schirmer wrote:

> How can one set up a page with frames, using dtml-methods?
>
> I wanted to setup a frameset, with the navigation on the left, using the dtml method
> sidebar.
> But with SRC="<dtml-var sidebar>" I get "400 bad request", with SRC=<dtml-var
> sidebar> I get ressource not found, and from the source code I can see that the cmf
> changes the last section of the url to the first characters in the method (e.g. the
> dmtl method starts with <html>, source code says it can´t find a page
> http://..../%3html)
>
> So how does one set up a frameset, rendering the contents with dtml-methods?
>
> Any help appreciated.
> Christoph

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From Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com  Thu Jul 19 23:14:07 2001
From: Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:14:07 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Frames prob
References: <3B573616.92D5F582@pbmplus.com> <3B574E6F.F9F1F05F@snafu.de>
Message-ID: <080001c110a0$21f04210$9865fea9@SUXLAP>

I assume the html code for your frame is inside a DTML method
or document ?! In this case you just have to call ...SRC=3D"sidebar"...

Andreas
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christoph Schirmer" <Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de>
To: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2001 16:17
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Frames prob


> How can one set up a page with frames, using dtml-methods?
>
> I wanted to setup a frameset, with the navigation on the left, using th=
e
dtml method
> sidebar.
> But with SRC=3D"<dtml-var sidebar>" I get "400 bad request", with
SRC=3D<dtml-var
> sidebar> I get ressource not found, and from the source code I can see
that the cmf
> changes the last section of the url to the first characters in the meth=
od
(e.g. the
> dmtl method starts with <html>, source code says it can=B4t find a page
> http://..../%3html)
>
> So how does one set up a frameset, rendering the contents with
dtml-methods?
>
> Any help appreciated.
> Christoph
>



From bill@libc.org  Fri Jul 20 03:19:20 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 19 Jul 2001 20:19:20 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] New Portal Type
In-Reply-To: <3B56A57C.4A15CD32@nipltd.com>
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com>
 <006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com>
 <3B56A57C.4A15CD32@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <995595560.911.7.camel@locutus.libc.org>

On 19 Jul 2001 10:16:44 +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
> Karim Yaici wrote:
> > 
> > I remember I had the same problem when trying to create a Factory-based
> > content type based on the Document type. Though I have changed the 'meta
> > type' to 'My Document' (in the portal_types form), it is still recording it
> > as Document.
> 
> Hehe, Tres, another one bitten ;-)
> 
> Karim,
> 
> The meta_type should never be changed, unless you actually change the meta_type
> of the python product the type is based on.

The problem is the form. The form says meta type, but it means 'Type'.
Fix the form, and this problem (bit me too) goes away.

On that note, the personalize_form need to check for a logged in user. As it sits
now, it will return an atrribute error if you are not logged in. I changed mine to 
check for Anonymous role, and if present, raise Unauthorized.

I'd supply a patch, but it is all of three lines, and those with CVS write access can 
propbably patch it in their sleep it is so simple. :)

Bill






From scott@launchpoint.net  Fri Jul 20 06:04:56 2001
From: scott@launchpoint.net (Scotts)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:04:56 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF 1.1 at Zopesite.com
Message-ID: <B77D0A08.1A9A%scott@launchpoint.net>

For those of you wanting to use CMF 1.1. I have installed it on
Zopesite.com. Or if you have been using it on your home machine and would
like to use it live. Sign up for a free site, create your CMF site and show
everyone what you can do with CMF.


------
http://www.zopesite.com
Zope-driven websites
Weblog: http://www.blogthis.com
------




From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul 20 07:10:48 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:10:48 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF 1.1 at Zopesite.com
In-Reply-To: <B77D0A08.1A9A%scott@launchpoint.net>
Message-ID: <B77D43A8.30C7C%marc@bowery.com>

I signed up for a free site months ago and never got a response....


> From: Scotts <scott@launchpoint.net>
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:04:56 -0700
> To: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF 1.1 at Zopesite.com
> 
> For those of you wanting to use CMF 1.1. I have installed it on
> Zopesite.com. Or if you have been using it on your home machine and would
> like to use it live. Sign up for a free site, create your CMF site and show
> everyone what you can do with CMF.
> 
> 
> ------
> http://www.zopesite.com
> Zope-driven websites
> Weblog: http://www.blogthis.com
> ------
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests



From erik@thingamy.net  Fri Jul 20 07:39:29 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 20 Jul 2001 08:39:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Unsupported format character.
Message-ID: <87ae20umse.fsf@thingamy.net>

Hi,

I've got CMF 1.1 up and running, and I've added my own workflow
(dc_workflow).  I've got one content-type that subscribes to this
workflow.  The states in the workflow are:

        private
        visible

Transitions are:

        hide
        show

Fair enough.  Then I want to go into the 'hide' transition and add a
"Name (formatted)" to it; which I do ("Make private", for example).  I
back to my content and press refresh to see the change in the box on
the left, and this is what I get:

ValueError

  Sorry, a site error occurred.

  Traceback (innermost last):
    File /home/erik/development/zope-farm/Zope-2.3.3-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in publish_module
[snip]
    File /home/erik/development/zope-farm/Zope-2.3.3-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Let.py, line 148, in render
      (Object: isAnon="portal_membership.isAnonymousUser()"
            AuthClass="isAnon and 'GuestActions' or 'MemberActions'"
            uname="isAnon and 'Guest'
                   or portal_membership.getAuthenticatedMember().getUserName()"
            obj="this()"
            actions="portal_actions.listFilteredActionsFor(obj)"
            user_actions="actions['user']"
            folder_actions="actions['folder']"
            object_actions="actions['object'] + actions['workflow']"
            global_actions="actions['global']")
    File /home/erik/development/zope-farm/Zope-2.3.3-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 339, in eval
      (Object: portal_actions.listFilteredActionsFor(obj))
      (Info: portal_actions)
    File <string>, line 0, in ?
    File /home/erik/development/zope-farm/Zope-2.3.3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/ActionsTool.py, line 189, in listFilteredActionsFor
      (Object: portal_actions)
    File /home/erik/development/zope-farm/Zope-2.3.3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/WorkflowTool.py, line 439, in listActions
      (Object: Traversable)
    File /home/erik/development/zope-farm/Zope-2.3.3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/DCWorkflow/DCWorkflow.py, line 261, in listObjectActions
      (Object: WorkflowUIMixin)
  ValueError: unsupported format character '/' (0x2f)

Any ideas?


From erik@thingamy.net  Fri Jul 20 08:10:59 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 20 Jul 2001 09:10:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Unsupported format character.
In-Reply-To: <87ae20umse.fsf@thingamy.net>
References: <87ae20umse.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <87zoa0t6rg.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Erik Enge]

| Hi,

Hello, what are you doing up so early?
 
| Any ideas?

Naturally, and so would you have if you'd paid more attention.  

*tsk, tsk*.

"URL (formatted)" looked like this:

        %(content_url)/content_reject_form

when it should've look like:

        %(content_url)s/content_reject_form

D'Oh!


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 19 21:54:36 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:54:36 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Swishdot & Berlin Slides
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOGEDICLAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3B57490C.2722DD95@nipltd.com>

Norman Khine wrote:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line 528,
> in import_products
>     product=__import__(pname, global_dict, global_dict, silly)
>   File
> "/usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-3-3/lib/python/Products/Swishdot/__init__.py", line
> 6, in ?
>     from DiscussionTool import DiscussionTool
> IndentationError: expected an indented block (DiscussionTool.py, line 57)

Just put a pass in the empty method that's defined in line 56.

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 19 21:47:30 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:47:30 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
References: <B77C575F.30BA5%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <3B574762.80046854@nipltd.com>

marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> > From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> >
> > What I would say is that if there is no good solution, the 'log me in' feature
> > should really be removed. It's not too much to ask people to type their
> > username
> > and password in after they've just joined...
> 
> Or, remove the log me in feature and just log the person in

...but that's what this is trying to achieve ;-)

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 19 22:35:30 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:35:30 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Transactions & undo
References: <3B48D206.359395DE@nipltd.com> <20010709104722.D3054@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B5752A2.FA2793B@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> Although 'creating a document' is, to the average user, a single
> action, it shows up in the transaction list as 3 or 4 events.  How can
> the user decide which transactions to delete?  If the whole 'create an
> object' process could be commited as a single transaction (with a
> 'friendly' name perhaps), it would make things a whole lot more
> friendly.

Roll on CST actually getting into the core. I'm sure storing this stuff in the
session first is the way to go, what do other people think?

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri Jul 20 08:13:17 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:13:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Should Effectice Dates be part of Workflow?
References: <008701c1098c$e13e9150$b5020a0a@Lifebook> <3B4C3A42.9030104@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <3B57DA0D.76A8DECE@nipltd.com>

Tres Seaver wrote:
> 
> This check doesn't involve workflow state at all;

Okay...

> it enforces the
> "effective range" of the content.  Only the owner and those with
> 'Review portal content' permission are supposed to be able to view
> a piece of content outside of its effective range,

That sounds like a very workflow-ish kind of rule to me. What do other people
think?

Anyway, regardless of whether its owrkflow related or not, should that lump of
code really be written in DTML _and_ be stashed in the presentation layer?

> > ...I just checked DefaultWorkflow in CMFDefault, and updateRoleMappingsFor
> > suggests that this content shouldn't be viewable, but it is!
> 
> I can't reproduce this on a stock CMF site;  content which is private or
> pending review can't be viewed by anonymous.

Any ideas what I could have broken to have that effect? If anyone would like to
see for themselves, Swishdot can be checked out of the Squishdot project's CVS
on SourceForge.

> The "event tool" proposal is a more general solution, likely to be
> implemented
> for the next release of CMF:
> 
>   http://cmf.zope.org/rqmts/proposals/EventsTool

Thanks, I still need to take a look at that :-S

Would that also provide a better solution for the Effective Date range problem?

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 19 22:38:18 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:38:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Event Notification / workflow
References: <3B4B20DE.A7FD4BCE@nipltd.com> <20010710173145.C18193@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4B2771.CBF6EEC2@nipltd.com> <20010710175708.D18193@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B57534A.32BD2379@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> Sounds OK to me.  If you're doing that, though, you might as well use
> the notify* workflow methods and wrap every method you think is
> relevant as a WorkflowMethod. 

Sounds like I need to take a closer look at workflow :-S

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 19 22:38:45 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:38:45 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Default action
References: <008501c1098c$df5a19e0$b5020a0a@Lifebook> <87bsmst47d.fsf@thingamy.net> <003501c109d1$57d31270$a8fe7ad5@withers> <20010711094609.I21871@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B575365.9CE656DD@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> I presume you looked at the source, right?

*cough*

> (short answer: it returns the first action from the actions list for
> which the user has appropriate permissions)

ta :-)

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 19 22:00:17 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:00:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Suggestion - Modular Documentation
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEIMCCAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <20010704163544.S19615@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B436100.D6739F78@nipltd.com> <20010705103532.F25562@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B574A61.993EE3C2@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> 1) You can read stx straight from the filesystem as plain text , which
>    is nice for developers

True...

> 2) You don't have to translate it - it happens for you :-P

Yeah, you have to understand esoteric Sturctured text formatting rules though...

> 3) There's supposedly the promise of being able to output it as ps,
>    pdf, etc.

...let me know when that happens :-)

> 4) We'd have to come up with a standard for which tags to use if we
>    went with html, whereas stx enforces a decision for you.

Hmmm, don't really buy that.

My £0.02,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 19 21:52:29 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:52:29 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Login
References: <200107191347.f6JDlu622932@mbuna.arbhome.com.au>
Message-ID: <3B57488D.7FD0232@nipltd.com>

Anthony Baxter wrote:
> 
> couldn't you use a cookie set up to go to all machines in the domain?

what about Domain based login?

I thought Zope did that out of the box?

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 19 22:37:24 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:37:24 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] N-Dimensional security again (Hi Shane :-)
References: <003301c107d0$5c1693a0$2341073e@withers> <20010708191041.A3054@lenin.jamkit.com> <005101c107ea$04af3ee0$2341073e@withers> <3B49D272.71B86E2@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B575314.B4639784@nipltd.com>

Shane Hathaway wrote:
> 
> You can protect access to the type objects by visiting their security
> tab.

Which would, in turn, prevent people from creating objects of that type, right?
I'm guessing local roles on the type objects would remove the need to have loads
of different 'Add x' permissions?

Could there be an interface to this to simplify it?

>  The only thing this solution doesn't provide for is local roles.

Can you expand on that? I'm not quite following...

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri Jul 20 08:19:39 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:19:39 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Workflow, Events & Indexing
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107180735540.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3B57DB8B.39B592E1@nipltd.com>

Tres Seaver wrote:
> 
> Who else is going to tell an object that its attributes have
> changed?  The object's own methods are responsible for making
> those changes, and therefore for notifying interested observers
> of the changes.

Yup, I agree with that :-)

So, what's the standard CMF ways of:

- registering an interested observer? (how do you specify what, exactly, it's
interested in?)

- notifying all the interested observers from within you object's methods?

> > And what if (as I need to), you need to call something like
> > portal_discussion.updateDiscussion(object) when the object
> > changes? You need to go find all places the object could change
> > (how do you do that?)
> 
> Grep for 'reindexObject'. :)

And how do I do that with third party python-based content types that I don't
know about? ;-)

> If / when we add an event channel, the responsibility for publishing
> events to it will still rest with the methods which are actually
> making changes to the objects;  at that point, your event-based
> discussion tool would be a subscriber to the event channel.

Yup, that sounds reasonable :-)

cheers,

Chris




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 19 22:04:36 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:04:36 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF
References: <3B44B518.D2BA28B8@digicool.com> <3B45B7DD.4CC74AE7@nipltd.com> <01070610402604.09024@shane.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B574B64.2BBC97E3@nipltd.com>

Shane Hathaway wrote:
> 
> > So, how about: click customize of the FS-presentation object, this
> > creates the ZODB based version which doesn't actually contain anything,
> > but appears to contain editable versiosn of everything. The first time
> > these editable versions are saved, they are then actually stored in the
> > ZODB?
> 
> Hmm, that may be doable.  Nifty!

Thanks :-)

> > ...of course, I think it's vital that transparent re-indexing (and
> > other hooked in operations, like discussions modification) happen. What
> > service/tool/etc will enable this to happen?
> 
> It's a piece of Zope infrastructure that isn't there yet.  In fact
> yesterday I spent a lot of time trying to find a nice way to achieve
> transparent indexing.  I even modified cPersistence.c to try out an idea.
> I'm sure there's a way to do it right but we haven't found it yet.

Is there any way I can help? I'd be more than happy to bounce ideas around about
this :-)
BTW, whatever solution is reached should probably be hookable, I can see things
like cataloging, workflow, etc, all using the same hooks.

IIUC, ZPatterns triggers are what you're trying to make the equivalent of. Steve
Alexander had some good ideas how to get this to work at the Berlin Zope
Conference.

Steve?

cheers,

Chris




From steve@cat-box.net  Fri Jul 20 09:39:14 2001
From: steve@cat-box.net (Steve Alexander)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:39:14 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Zope component model and CMF
References: <3B57E8D3.FD6FCCC5@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B57EE32.7000702@cat-box.net>

Chris Withers wrote:
> 
> IIUC, ZPatterns triggers are what you're trying to make the equivalent 
> of. Steve
> Alexander had some good ideas how to get this to work at the Berlin 
> Zope Conference.
>
> Steve?

I'm *almost* finished with a product for a runtime patch to 
Transaction.py that implements triggers.
It works for me, but I need to tidy it up before releasing it.

This is more-or-less along the lines of what Phillip Eby and Shane 
talked about on Zope-Dev a month ago or so, wrt RuleAgents, 
IndexingAgents and queues of triggers running just before a transaction 
commit.

I'll be releasing it tomorrow (tonight if I'm lucky), along with a 
slightly forked simplified version of ZPatterns that uses the new hooks 
in Transaction.py.

The patch works nicely with Subtransactions, even if they're commited 
while a a Trigger is running. It also copes sensibly with triggers that 
add other triggers.

I'll be recommending that people stay with "standard" ZPatterns for 
important systems, but that they try this one if they need to use 
subtransactions inside triggers, or they want better behaviour when 
triggers raise exceptions.
I'll be using the Transactions patch on its own (without ZPatterns) on 
some ZODB work I'm doing.


On its own, this change doesn't allow for transparent indexing. This 
just allows you to register actions that will occur at transaction 
boundaries.

You also need to add a setattr/delattr (or whatever) hook to objects 
that you want transparently indexed. When an attribute changes, you 
enqueue an Agent that will catalog the object. This runs at a 
transaction boundary, just before the commit. This way, you only 
recatalog at most once per transaction. It's nice for sending out 
notifications too, again, at most once per transaction.

This nice thing is that a framework can separate the two steps of
1: Saying that an object has changed
2: Deciding what actions should occur when an object has changed

This is what ZPatterns does with DynPersist.so (for the setattr hook) 
for 1, and Triggers/Agents/"WHEN OBJECT CHANGED" SkinScript for 2.

At the EuroZope conference, Mike P. said something about Jim Fulton 
thinking about making Transaction pluggable in some form or other. I 
need to ask Jim about this soon.

--
Steve Alexander
Software Engineer
Cat-Box limited



From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 20 14:37:58 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:37:58 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Should Effectice Dates be part of Workflow?
In-Reply-To: <3B57DA0D.76A8DECE@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 08:13:17AM +0100
References: <008701c1098c$e13e9150$b5020a0a@Lifebook> <3B4C3A42.9030104@palladion.com> <3B57DA0D.76A8DECE@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010720143757.F937@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010720 09:15]:
> Anyway, regardless of whether its owrkflow related or not, should that lump of
> code really be written in DTML _and_ be stashed in the presentation layer?

I agree, it's ugly.  It would be nice if it were at least in a
pythonscript.  

> > The "event tool" proposal is a more general solution, likely to be
> > implemented
> > for the next release of CMF:
> > 
> >   http://cmf.zope.org/rqmts/proposals/EventsTool
> 
> Thanks, I still need to take a look at that :-S
> 
> Would that also provide a better solution for the Effective Date range problem?
 
Surely so.  It would present endless opportunities to hook
presentation logic to strategic points.  I'm really looking forward to
this tool :-)  Have you folks started working on it yet?  I've not
checked out the CVS for a while...

seb




From fm@synchrologic.com  Fri Jul 20 14:05:29 2001
From: fm@synchrologic.com (Frank McGeough)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:05:29 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF - not in your face?
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com><006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com> <3B56A57C.4A15CD32@nipltd.com> <995595560.911.7.camel@locutus.libc.org>
Message-ID: <001a01c1111c$a6c465d0$c7010a0a@mcgeough>

How much of CMF can be hidden? All of it?

Most sites are divided up into the large number of people who use the site
by browsing/searching; and the (relatively) small number of people who
actually contribute content. Why is CMF setup so that all the CMF stuff is
visible to every user? How would you go about hiding CMF from those large
number of people. That is, no indication for the casual user of the web site
that CMF is being used at all? If I had a URL that a contributor would have
to go to login and then alter the actions_box DTML method would that do it?

The key is the actions_box stuff and I'm having trouble figuring out how to
manipulate the code in there since it's doing mystery stuff like :

<dtml-in user_actions mapping>
<a href="&dtml-url;"><dtml-var name></a>&nbsp; | &nbsp;
</dtml-in>

hey! where's the for loop :-) If I could figure out more about DTML I might
be able to at least understand why I can or can't do what I want. Is it
correct that the zope creators are moving away from this DTML syntax and
toward Python (which I can read). Thanks for any clues for the clueless.




From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 20 14:54:00 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:54:00 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF - not in your face?
In-Reply-To: <001a01c1111c$a6c465d0$c7010a0a@mcgeough>; from fm@synchrologic.com on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 09:05:29AM -0400
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com><006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com> <3B56A57C.4A15CD32@nipltd.com> <995595560.911.7.camel@locutus.libc.org> <001a01c1111c$a6c465d0$c7010a0a@mcgeough>
Message-ID: <20010720145359.H937@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Frank McGeough <fm@synchrologic.com> [010720 14:09]:
> How much of CMF can be hidden? All of it?
> 
> Most sites are divided up into the large number of people who use the site
> by browsing/searching; and the (relatively) small number of people who
> actually contribute content. Why is CMF setup so that all the CMF stuff is
> visible to every user? How would you go about hiding CMF from those large
> number of people. That is, no indication for the casual user of the web site
> that CMF is being used at all? If I had a URL that a contributor would have
> to go to login and then alter the actions_box DTML method would that do it?

The CMF is a *Framework*.  It provides services for building websites
quickly.  The services include workflow, indexing, personalisation,
etc...  The site you see when you create a 'Portal' is an example site
based on the requirements of the zope.org website.  It's not meant to
be a system you can use for managing the content on any website.  It's
just meant to be a sample / inspiration / example code.

You need to learn how to use dtml / more Zope before you can expect to
be able to configure the CMF to your requirements.  Maybe one day
it'll all be TTW configurable with a GUI, but for now, it's a
programming toolkit.

> The key is the actions_box stuff and I'm having trouble figuring out how to
> manipulate the code in there since it's doing mystery stuff like :
> 
> <dtml-in user_actions mapping>
> <a href="&dtml-url;"><dtml-var name></a>&nbsp; | &nbsp;
> </dtml-in>
> 
> hey! where's the for loop :-) If I could figure out more about DTML I might
> be able to at least understand why I can or can't do what I want. Is it
> correct that the zope creators are moving away from this DTML syntax and
> toward Python (which I can read). Thanks for any clues for the clueless.

Read the DTML chapter in the Zope book, and the stuff about
PythonScripts, and you'll be well on your way to understanding.
<dtml-in> *is* a for loop, incidentally.  And you're right, there will
be a slow move away from DTML, but it'll take a while.  The
replacement is ZPT, which still hasn't arrived in a mature form yet
(though it's very cool, works well, and lots of people are using it
already). 

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 20 15:25:27 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:25:27 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Event Notification / workflow
In-Reply-To: <3B57534A.32BD2379@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 10:38:18PM +0100
References: <3B4B20DE.A7FD4BCE@nipltd.com> <20010710173145.C18193@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4B2771.CBF6EEC2@nipltd.com> <20010710175708.D18193@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B57534A.32BD2379@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010720152527.J937@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010720 09:15]:
> seb bacon wrote:
> > 
> > Sounds OK to me.  If you're doing that, though, you might as well use
> > the notify* workflow methods and wrap every method you think is
> > relevant as a WorkflowMethod. 
> 
> Sounds like I need to take a closer look at workflow :-S

Well, it would be a bit of a hack anyways.  Perhaps bide your time for
the glory that will be the event tool?

seb


From erik@thingamy.net  Fri Jul 20 14:51:34 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 20 Jul 2001 15:51:34 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Event Notification / workflow
In-Reply-To: <20010720152527.J937@lenin.jamkit.com>
References: <3B4B20DE.A7FD4BCE@nipltd.com>
 <20010710173145.C18193@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B4B2771.CBF6EEC2@nipltd.com>
 <20010710175708.D18193@lenin.jamkit.com> <3B57534A.32BD2379@nipltd.com>
 <20010720152527.J937@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <873d7ru2s9.fsf@thingamy.net>

[seb bacon]

| Well, it would be a bit of a hack anyways.  Perhaps bide your time
| for the glory that will be the event tool?

Hey, sounds like fun.  When's it due?


From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 20 15:42:34 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:42:34 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
In-Reply-To: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOGEPJCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>; from andrew@digicool.com on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:03:12PM -0400
References: <B77C575F.30BA5%marc@bowery.com> <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOGEPJCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010720154233.L937@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Andrew Sawyers <andrew@digicool.com> [010719 21:14]:
> We've decided to implement Shane's suggestion unless compelling arguments
> are made and Tres' instructs me to do otherwise.  I've not yet made the
> changes yet....

Shane's suggestion was good, but I like Marc's better:

> > Or, remove the log me in feature and just log the person in, not in a
> > separate step...
> >
> > Why else would they join?

It seems very silly to me that someone has to go through the whole
process of signing up, and then press what is to them a completely
redundant button actually to log in.  But I've never worked out how I
can log someone in programmatically without some horrible hack.  Am I
missing something? 

seb


From jccooper@rice.edu  Fri Jul 20 15:05:12 2001
From: jccooper@rice.edu (J. Cameron Cooper)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:05:12 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF - not in your face?
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com><006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com> <3B56A57C.4A15CD32@nipltd.com> <995595560.911.7.camel@locutus.libc.org> <001a01c1111c$a6c465d0$c7010a0a@mcgeough>
Message-ID: <3B583A98.9050902@rice.edu>

>
>
>How much of CMF can be hidden? All of it?
>
Yep. Just go and delete all the skins. Hides it pretty effectively.

Sorry. Not very constructive, I know, but so wide open.

>Most sites are divided up into the large number of people who use the site
>by browsing/searching; and the (relatively) small number of people who
>actually contribute content. Why is CMF setup so that all the CMF stuff is
>visible to every user?
>
That's not necessarily true. The CMF used to be the PTK (Portal Toolkit) 
and in a portal, it makes sense to always have a little box out to the 
side that reminds one of one's current role. When using the CMF in a 
largely information management and publishing role, the default setup 
begins to make less sense.

>How would you go about hiding CMF from those large
>number of people. That is, no indication for the casual user of the web site
>that CMF is being used at all? If I had a URL that a contributor would have
>to go to login and then alter the actions_box DTML method would that do it?
>
That's how I would do it. I'm afraid I can't tell you off the top o' me 
head *exactly* how to do it, but probably the easiest thing to do with 
the default setup would be to provide a login url that has the actions 
box and then wrap the one in standard_html_header with a dtml-if tag 
that's only true when the user is authenticated. Search the list or docs 
or source for "authenticated user" to find out how.

        ---jcc
    (not authenticated)





From chris123@magma.ca  Fri Jul 20 17:49:23 2001
From: chris123@magma.ca (Chris Herrnberger)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:49:23 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF-Calendar issues
Message-ID: <20010720154859.IYXB3790.femail1.rdc1.on.home.com@there>

Greetings 

Just started playing with CMF again (1.1) after a long hiatus. Its come a 
long way since the early PTK days. Congrats to all the coders..

I am having problems installing the CMF-Calendar though. Followed the HowTo 
from http://cmf.zope.org/Members/frankmc/UsingCalendarTag/ and it seems to 
choke on line 3 of the dateMunger. While there are comments to this on the 
site there is no solution posted. Using the supplied script from the 
referenced site.  
http://cmf.zope.org/Members/andrew/projects/CMFCalendar/dateMunger resluts in 
the traceback below.

Any comments or suggestions would be helpful. Also where is the link to CVS 
versions or is this locked down to developers only?

Best and many thanks

Chris

PS: If this should have been posted to the zope list pls accept my apologies 
in advance. 

output file below:
_____________________________________________________________


Traceback (innermost last):
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in 
publish_module
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in 
publish
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in 
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in 
publish
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in 
mapply
    (Object: calendar)
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in 
call_object
    (Object: calendar)
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 189, in __call__
    (Object: calendar)
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 
540, in __call__
    (Object: calendar)
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Let.py, line 148, 
in render
    (Object: pm="dateMunger()[0]"
          current="dateMunger()[1]"
          nm="dateMunger()[2]")
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 339, 
in eval
    (Object: dateMunger()[0])
    (Info: dateMunger)
  File <string>, line 0, in ?
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 
324, in __call__
    (Object: dateMunger)
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 
354, in _bindAndExec
    (Object: dateMunger)
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/PythonScript.py, 
line 336, in _exec
    (Object: dateMunger)
    (Info: ({'script': <PythonScript instance at 885fa18>, 'context': <Folder 
instance at 8749ac8>, 'container': <Folder instance at 8749ac8>, 
'traverse_subpath': []}, (), {}, None))
  File Script (Python), line 3, in dateMunger
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 
324, in __call__
    (Object: monthRange)
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 
354, in _bindAndExec
    (Object: monthRange)
  File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/PythonScript.py, 
line 336, in _exec
    (Object: monthRange)
    (Info: ({'script': <PythonScript instance at 8843130>, 'context': <Folder 
instance at 8749ac8>, 'container': <Folder instance at 8749ac8>, 
'traverse_subpath': []}, (DateTime('2001/07/20 11:44:01.36874 US/Eastern'),), 
{}, None))
TypeError: (see above)





From scott@launchpoint.net  Fri Jul 20 17:20:36 2001
From: scott@launchpoint.net (scott )
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:20:36 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF 1.1 at Zopesite.com
Message-ID: <200107200920.AA1245840034@launchpoint.net>

>I signed up for a free site months ago and never got a response....

Hmmm, must have missed that one. Well.... That is one reason why I added the site creation form to the homepage. So, if you still want one go to Zopesite.com and create one right there. Sorry about that.


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri Jul 20 17:38:46 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:38:46 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
References: <B77C575F.30BA5%marc@bowery.com> <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOGEPJCAAA.andrew@digicool.com> <20010720154233.L937@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B585E96.AEF76E00@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> can log someone in programmatically without some horrible hack.  Am I
> missing something?

Nope, that's why it's a seperate process.

That said, given that login is Cookie-based, I don't see why the register method
couldn't just set the appropriate cookie and then redirect, rather than
redirecting with the form or URL kludge just so the normal login process can set
the cookie.

thoughts?

Chris


From tseaver@palladion.com  Fri Jul 20 18:59:20 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:59:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Should Effectice Dates be part of Workflow?
In-Reply-To: <20010720143757.F937@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107201354480.10621-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, seb bacon wrote:

> * Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010720 09:15]:
> > Anyway, regardless of whether its owrkflow related or not,
> > should that lump of code really be written in DTML _and_ be
> > stashed in the presentation layer?
> 
> I agree, it's ugly.  It would be nice if it were at least in a
> pythonscript.  
> 
> > > The "event tool" proposal is a more general solution,
> > > likely to be implemented for the next release of CMF:
> > > 
> > >   http://cmf.zope.org/rqmts/proposals/EventsTool
> > 
> > Thanks, I still need to take a look at that :-S
> > 
> > Would that also provide a better solution for the Effective
> > Date range problem?
>  
> Surely so.  It would present endless opportunities to hook
> presentation logic to strategic points.  I'm really looking forward to
> this tool :-)  Have you folks started working on it yet?  I've not
> checked out the CVS for a while...

Heh, what do you mean "started working yet"?  All those docs in
that folder didn't get left by the Tooth Fairy! :)

WRT actual software, we built a working version of the event channel
which has no CMF dependencies at all.  The remaining effort is to
wire up the event producers (factories, content objects, etc.) and
the subscribers (the catalog, first off).  We are also trying hard
to measure the performance impact, as such a tool could suck up a
*lot* of cycles if we aren't careful.

We will likely move the event channel product into the CMF module
sometime in the next few weeks, with the "plumbing work" to follow
very quickly (assuming no disasters emerge in the performance
testing).

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From janrosen@ca.ibm.com  Fri Jul 20 19:00:12 2001
From: janrosen@ca.ibm.com (Janet Rosenfeld/CanWest/IBM)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:00:12 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] installation problem with CMF
Message-ID: <OFF46BE0F9.BF17ABC7-ON88256A8F.0062F228@mkm.can.ibm.com>

Hi,

I've installed Zope on a Windows NT machine.  I also downloaded the CMF 1.0
zip file from http://cmf.zope.org/download.  I notice that the installation
are all for the tar file.  How do I link Zope and CMF if I used the zip
file?


Janet Rosenfeld
IBM Canada Ltd.
4611 Canada Way, Burnaby, B.C. V5G 4X3
Phone: (604) 297-3378
Fax: (604) 297-3030
Email:  janrosen@ca.ibm.com







From tseaver@palladion.com  Fri Jul 20 19:04:46 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:04:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
In-Reply-To: <3B585E96.AEF76E00@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107201401580.10621-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Chris Withers wrote:

> seb bacon wrote:
> > 
> > can log someone in programmatically without some horrible
> > hack.  Am I missing something?
> 
> Nope, that's why it's a seperate process.
> 
> That said, given that login is Cookie-based, I don't see why
> the register method couldn't just set the appropriate cookie
> and then redirect, rather than redirecting with the form or URL
> kludge just so the normal login process can set the cookie.

If you know that your site is always going to use cookie auth,
then that works fine.  It is *not* possible with HTTP basic auth.

> thoughts?

Customize CMFDefault/skins/control/register.py to do what
login.py does, and then 'self.aq_uncle == "bob"'.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From tseaver@palladion.com  Fri Jul 20 19:50:06 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:50:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF 1.1 at Zopesite.com
In-Reply-To: <B77D0A08.1A9A%scott@launchpoint.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107201449470.10621-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Scotts wrote:

> For those of you wanting to use CMF 1.1. I have installed it on
> Zopesite.com. Or if you have been using it on your home machine and would
> like to use it live. Sign up for a free site, create your CMF site and show
> everyone what you can do with CMF.

Cool!

Tres.
--
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From jccooper@rice.edu  Fri Jul 20 19:59:04 2001
From: jccooper@rice.edu (J. Cameron Cooper)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:59:04 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] installation problem with CMF
References: <OFF46BE0F9.BF17ABC7-ON88256A8F.0062F228@mkm.can.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <3B587F78.10907@rice.edu>

>
>
>I've installed Zope on a Windows NT machine.  I also downloaded the CMF 1.0
>zip file from http://cmf.zope.org/download.  I notice that the installation
>are all for the tar file.  How do I link Zope and CMF if I used the zip
>file?
>
Huh? You're installing CMF 1.0? Shouldn't do that. Use 1.1 instead. 
WinZip can handle tar.gz files.

        --jcc
    (gzipped)



From Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de  Fri Jul 20 22:17:37 2001
From: Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de (Christoph Schirmer)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:17:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Metapublisher (vs?) Zope
References: <OFF46BE0F9.BF17ABC7-ON88256A8F.0062F228@mkm.can.ibm.com> <3B587F78.10907@rice.edu>
Message-ID: <3B589FF1.FCB21352@snafu.de>

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Newbie :-)
I am somewhat unclear about beehive´s Metapublisher. Would Metapublisher be a
replacement for customized objects (ZClasses)? Is it "competing" with cmf then? Or
does it make sense to have Metapublisher within cmf?

Christoph

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From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul 20 16:21:38 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:21:38 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDefault register method & security
In-Reply-To: <3B574762.80046854@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <B77DC4C2.30CC8%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> 
>> Or, remove the log me in feature and just log the person in
> 
> ...but that's what this is trying to achieve ;-)

I meant as a separate step as it is now...



From tseaver@palladion.com  Sat Jul 21 03:20:15 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:20:15 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to count the number of replies?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107181746510.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain> <3B561353.101899EB@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <3B58E6DF.5020104@palladion.com>

Ausum wrote:

> Thank you very much, Tres. I've downloaded CMF from CVS not more than
> three days ago, and the methods are in the DiscussionItem.py module, but
> I can't get it to work, no matter what combination of code I've tried,
> feeling my way all the time.  
> 
> Would you please post the code, in you don't mind, the same as you did
> with 'obj.talkback.getReplies()' ?


'obj.talkback.replyCount( obj )', I think (I didn't add the feature,
but that is what the signature implies).

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jul 21 16:34:56 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:34:56 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF Bookmarks
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHMEBDCDAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Hi all,

In the hope that it might help people struggling to find documentation, I've
exported my CMF Bookmarks/Favorites, and posted em here -
http://cmf.zope.org/Members/joned/cmfbookmarks/view (once it's been
approved) - note: I've been collecting them for several months, so some may
be out of date! :-)

Cheers, Jon



From augusto@artlover.com  Sat Jul 21 17:54:41 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:54:41 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: How to count the number of replies?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107181746510.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain> <3B561353.101899EB@artlover.com> <3B58E6DF.5020104@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <3B59B3D1.9EF08FF7@artlover.com>

Thanks Tres.

This is the code I came up with, to count the number of replies from an
object, listed at a typical portal_catalog list:

<dtml-with getObject>
<dtml-if talkback>
  <dtml-let hasReplies="talkback.hasReplies( this() )">
    <dtml-if hasReplies>
      <dtml-var "talkback.replyCount( this() )">       
    </dtml-if>
  </dtml-let>
</dtml-if>
</dtml-with>

Put in a method it works fine, but I'm supposing that due it has to call
every found object in order to tell whether it has replies or not, it is
somehow costly. Shouldn't 'num_of_replies' be a catalogable object's
property, updated by the workflow? How do I perform this?

Thanks in advance,


Ausum



Tres Seaver wrote:

> 
> 'obj.talkback.replyCount( obj )', I think (I didn't add the feature,
> but that is what the signature implies).
> 
> Tres.
> --
> ===============================================================
> Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
> Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org


From dkesh@channel1.com  Sun Jul 22 17:45:59 2001
From: dkesh@channel1.com (Dan Keshet)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:45:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Changing portal_metadata tool
Message-ID: <995820359.3b5b034736a25@webmail.channel1.com>

Hi,

I want to add an Element to the portal_metadata tool.  Are there plans to make
metadata Elements configurable?  Right now, is it possible to change the
metadata tool without creating a whole new CMF site?   I can't seem to add or
delete a portal_metadata tool...

So I tried playing with MetadataTool.py, and adding to the list of
DEFAULT_ELEMENT_SPECS, but that doesn't seem to have an effect. 

Also, I noticed later down that each Element has it's own listAllowed function. 
Why not make listAllowedVocabulary public and pass the Element type in?  Would
this make it easier to add Elements?

Thanks!


From khine@btinternet.com  Sun Jul 22 19:47:33 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:47:33 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF Security Options
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOAEAECGAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hello,
Can someone be kind enough to demonstrate the security settings for a cmf
site, what I am missing ;^( sadly to say, is the overall picture.

So, if I want to disable the Member not to be able to ADD news stories, what
should the Security tab for the Portal be, or do I need to modify the
workflow? or create my own?

Thanx

Norman

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zzzzzz/**/z|**/^^\**|z|*|zzz|*|z|*|zzzzzzz mailto:norman@khine.net
zzzzz/**/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|****/*/zz|*****|zzz purley
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From norbert@attira.com  Sun Jul 22 19:39:13 2001
From: norbert@attira.com (Norbert Marrale)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:39:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] SMTPRecipientsRefused - mail forgotten password
In-Reply-To: <E15OLfE-0006jH-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3B5B39F1.10036.19CA779@localhost>

This happens when users ask to be sent their forgotten passwords. 
Other SMTP / Password related things work fine. Checked permissions, 
everything seems ok there too. Any idea on what I'm missing?

 Error Type: SMTPRecipientsRefused
Error Value: {}

Thanks! Norbert


<!--
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in publish_module
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: mail_password)
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in call_object
    (Object: mail_password)
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 324, in __call__
    (Object: mail_password)
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 354, in _bindAndExec
    (Object: mail_password)
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/PythonScript.py, line 336, in _exec
    (Object: mail_password)
    (Info: ({'script': &lt;PythonScript instance at 90511a0&gt;, 'context': &lt;CMFSite instance at 8e2b5a0&gt;, 'container': &lt;CMFSite instance at 8e2b5a0&gt;, '_': &lt;TemplateDict object at 0x904ece0&gt;, 'traverse_subpath': []}, (), {}, None))
  File Script (Python), line 3, in mail_password
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/RegistrationTool.py, line 166, in mailPassword
    (Object: portal_registration)
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/MailHost/MailHost.py, line 222, in send
    (Object: MailHost)
  File /usr/local/lib/python2.0/smtplib.py, line 487, in sendmail
SMTPRecipientsRefused: (see above)

--



On the Road of Life, 
there are Tourists and there are Travelers.
I'd rather be Traveling!

Norbert Marrale
norbert@infocatch.com



From jens@digicool.com  Mon Jul 23 00:11:53 2001
From: jens@digicool.com (Jens Vagelpohl)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:11:53 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] SMTPRecipientsRefused - mail forgotten password
In-Reply-To: <3B5B39F1.10036.19CA779@localhost>
Message-ID: <20010722231158.28B4513968@kermit.dataflake.org>

this error comes from the SMTP server you configured for your portal. it 
usually shows up when your mail server does not like the address you 
provide as the sender address. it might think someone is trying to relay 
spam through it.

jens


On Sunday, July 22, 2001, at 02:39 , Norbert Marrale wrote:

> This happens when users ask to be sent their forgotten passwords.
> Other SMTP / Password related things work fine. Checked permissions,
> everything seems ok there too. Any idea on what I'm missing?
>
>  Error Type: SMTPRecipientsRefused
> Error Value: {}
>
> Thanks! Norbert
>
>
> <!--
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in 
> publish_module
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in 
> publish
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in 
> zpublisher_exception_hook
>     (Object: Traversable)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in 
> publish
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in 
> mapply
>     (Object: mail_password)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in 
> call_object
>     (Object: mail_password)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 324,
>  in __call__
>     (Object: mail_password)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 354,
>  in _bindAndExec
>     (Object: mail_password)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/PythonScript.py,
>  line 336, in _exec
>     (Object: mail_password)
>     (Info: ({'script': &lt;PythonScript instance at 90511a0&gt;, 'context'
> : &lt;CMFSite instance at 8e2b5a0&gt;, 'container': &lt;CMFSite instance 
> at 8e2b5a0&gt;, '_': &lt;TemplateDict object at 0x904ece0&gt;, 
> 'traverse_subpath': []}, (), {}, None))
>   File Script (Python), line 3, in mail_password
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/RegistrationTool.py,
>  line 166, in mailPassword
>     (Object: portal_registration)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/MailHost/MailHost.py, line 222,
>  in send
>     (Object: MailHost)
>   File /usr/local/lib/python2.0/smtplib.py, line 487, in sendmail
> SMTPRecipientsRefused: (see above)
>
> --
>
>
>
> On the Road of Life,
> there are Tourists and there are Travelers.
> I'd rather be Traveling!
>
> Norbert Marrale
> norbert@infocatch.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature 
> requests


From norbert@attira.com  Mon Jul 23 01:28:55 2001
From: norbert@attira.com (Norbert Marrale)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:28:55 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] SMTPRecipientsRefused - mail forgotten password
In-Reply-To: <20010722231158.28B4513968@kermit.dataflake.org>
References: <3B5B39F1.10036.19CA779@localhost>
Message-ID: <3B5B8BE7.13581.2DCDBE5@localhost>

On 22 Jul 2001, at 19:11, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:

> this error comes from the SMTP server you configured for your portal. it
> usually shows up when your mail server does not like the address you
> provide as the sender address. it might think someone is trying to relay
> spam through it.
> 
> jens
> 
> 

Am I wrong to think that it's using the same mailhost functionality as 
with registration?

Sendmail Logfile from a "Send lost Password"

Jul 22 20:26:02 Improv sendmail[51473]: f6N0Q2J51473: from=<community@embassyweb.com>, size=250, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost
 [127.0.0.1]

Sendmail Logfile from a new registration:

Jul 22 20:27:30 Improv sendmail[51510]: f6N0RUJ51510: from=<community@embassyweb.com>, size=828, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200107230027.f6N0RUJ51510@Improv.
Openlearning.net>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Jul 22 20:27:30 Improv sendmail[51511]: f6N0RUJ51510: to=<norbert@embassyweb.com>, ctladdr=<community@embassyweb.com> (1000/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00
:00, mailer=local, pri=30839, relay=local, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

Thanks!



> On Sunday, July 22, 2001, at 02:39 , Norbert Marrale wrote:
> 
> > This happens when users ask to be sent their forgotten passwords.
> > Other SMTP / Password related things work fine. Checked permissions,
> > everything seems ok there too. Any idea on what I'm missing?
> >
> >  Error Type: SMTPRecipientsRefused
> > Error Value: {}
> >
> > Thanks! Norbert
> >


On the Road of Life, 
there are Tourists and there are Travelers.
I'd rather be Traveling!

Norbert Marrale
norbert@infocatch.com



From norbert@attira.com  Mon Jul 23 01:38:21 2001
From: norbert@attira.com (Norbert Marrale)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:38:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] SMTPRecipientsRefused - mail forgotten password
In-Reply-To: <20010722231158.28B4513968@kermit.dataflake.org>
References: <3B5B39F1.10036.19CA779@localhost>
Message-ID: <3B5B8E1D.7939.2E57F20@localhost>

Ehm... nevermind the last message. 

Portal administrators should learn to set their email address before 
sending bogus error reports to the list :) 

Norbert

On the Road of Life, 
there are Tourists and there are Travelers.
I'd rather be Traveling!

Norbert Marrale
norbert@infocatch.com



From waltonl@franklin.edu  Mon Jul 23 06:36:56 2001
From: waltonl@franklin.edu (Lynn Walton)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:36:56 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Bug report & other suggestions from a newbie to CMF
Message-ID: <3B5BB7F8.F9A072E8@franklin.edu>

Hello to all.  This is my first post in CMF.  I have been reading
everything I can on the CMF site for weeks -quite a frustrating
experience, I must confess ;-).

Below are a couple thoughts, suggestions, and a bug-report.  I didn't
see where to officially report bugs so please forgive me if this is not
the correct place. Send me to the correct place and I will report it
there.

1) Would the list owner, I guess that's tsearver, please consider making
the cmf list available through yahoo groups (formerly dejanews) so that
the archives would be searchable?  I asked Evan to do this for the ZPT
mailing list, and he did. And the regular zope mailing list is there.

2) Does anyone know why most of the news, comments, etc I read on the
CMF site, have the text keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger with
each paragraph?  On some documents it gets to such a point size where
only a couple words per line fit on the screen.  I just checked and it
does seem only to render that way in Netscape (4.7) not I.E.  Any other
Netscape users experience this?

3) Here's the bug report .... while going through the great
PortalPollTutorial by davew ... I discovered that something was causing
my ZMI screens for accessing the portal_types and the objects under
portal_types to get mangled.   While doing the tutorial it walks you
through adding a new type to the portal_types, using  "Add Factory Based
Type Information", and then setting properties and actions for it.  That
would work fine.  Then when the tutorial walks you through Logging into
the portal you set up, and trying to add your new type "Poll", that
worked find too .... (although the tutorial left out the step of needing
to "Join" the new portal before you can get a "My Stuff" option and add
your own pool .. but I reported that as a comment on the tutorial).    I
happened to use my same username and password for joining the portal as
I already use in my ZMI as a Manager.    The poll worked fine, but I
discovered later that in the ZMI for my portal, the portal_types screens
were lost.

First, Instead of getting the tabs I should get ... (Overview, Contents,
View, Properties, Security, Undo, Ownership and Find) when I click on
portal_types ... it is missing "Overview".

Then when I click on Poll (or any of the other default portal_types
which I didn't touch, I only get
Undo, and Ownership, and it's on the Undo tab and says:
------------
"Factory-based Type Information at tests/TestPortal01/portal_types/Poll
There are no transactions that can be undone.
-------------
when it should have properties, actions, undo, ownership and security
tabs.

After making another Portal and reproducing it .. again using the same
login name for joining the portal as I have for being a manager in my
ZMI, I then tried making a third portal, and joined it with a different
login name and password.  That worked, and left the correct management
screens accessible in the ZMI for the different portal_types objects.
When I was trying to reproduce it on the "second" test portal, I
experimented around, logging in and out with different browsers and I
could always access the correct screens for all the portal_types
objects  UP UNTIL the point that I went out and joined the portal using
my same ZMI manager login name, and then created a new Poll.   That
seems to be when it mangles the screens.

4) I'd be happy to have anyone that is willing to email me with their
thoughts on how they are using CMF on live sites now (or is it too new
and unstable?). Also, if anyone is VERY knowledgeable in CMF and has
some time for consulting, please send me your information including
rates.  I really want to go forward with the best architecture for a new
site that we have to have up in a couple months, and I know that I won't
be able to get far on CMF with the current state of the documentation,
unless I have some help from someone who's "been there, done that". <g>

Thanks,
Lynn



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon Jul 23 08:49:18 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:49:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] SMTPRecipientsRefused - should users see this?
References: <3B5B39F1.10036.19CA779@localhost> <3B5B8E1D.7939.2E57F20@localhost>
Message-ID: <3B5BD6FE.14650CBA@nipltd.com>

Norbert Marrale wrote:
> 
> Ehm... nevermind the last message.
> 
> Portal administrators should learn to set their email address before
> sending bogus error reports to the list :)

Well, it does raise an interesting point though. Should a bogus email address
cause this kind of barfage?

I don't think it should, what do other people think?

cheers,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon Jul 23 13:12:02 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:12:02 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>

Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> Data.fs contains a CMF-site.  On http://localhost everything is
> working as one would expect, but on http://server stuff in the
> portal_skins Filesystem Directory Views are "gone".  We know they're
> there (since we can access them over http://localhost).  Urk?

I'm wondering if the CMF has been tested on a ZEO setup like this.

Do each of the clients have copies of the skins folders?

They probably need to, but this feels semantically odd :-S

I wonder what the DC'ers think...

Chris


From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 23 13:14:15 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 14:14:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
In-Reply-To: <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <87bsmbonag.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Chris Withers]

| Do each of the clients have copies of the skins folders?

Each of the clients have the Filesystem Directory Views in
portal_skins, yes.  Only one of them is showing any skins, though.
Strange.
 
| They probably need to, but this feels semantically odd :-S

Yes, this whole ZEO shebang where you can have different versions of
software running the same instance from the same Data.fs has me
seriously baffled.  That's two or more places to keep the same
information (and you are always assuming it is the same information;
lib/python for example); administration-hell if you ask me.  It just
doesn't sound like a good idea.  The Right Idea, even.

But I'm hoping I've misunderstood.  :)


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Mon Jul 23 13:22:20 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:22:20 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com> <87bsmbonag.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <006001c11372$30dddb50$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>

One of the points of ZEO, surely, is that the software products are exactly
the same?

You're right having different versions will be admin-hell, steer clear.
>
> Yes, this whole ZEO shebang where you can have different versions of
> software running the same instance from the same Data.fs has me
> seriously baffled.  That's two or more places to keep the same
> information (and you are always assuming it is the same information;
> lib/python for example); administration-hell if you ask me.  It just
> doesn't sound like a good idea.  The Right Idea, even.
>
> But I'm hoping I've misunderstood.  :)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests



From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 23 13:22:37 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 14:22:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
In-Reply-To: <006001c11372$30dddb50$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
 <87bsmbonag.fsf@thingamy.net>
 <006001c11372$30dddb50$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <877kwzomwi.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Phil Harris]

| One of the points of ZEO, surely, is that the software products are
| exactly the same?

This is what I'm hoping I have misunderstood.  'Cus right now I'm
under the impression that the clients can, in theory, be running
different Zope versions and different versions of the Products
installed.


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Mon Jul 23 13:27:58 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:27:58 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com><87bsmbonag.fsf@thingamy.net><006001c11372$30dddb50$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk> <877kwzomwi.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <007001c11372$fa9bab70$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>

In theory yes, but "that way lies madness my son".

As I said earlier, steer clear.

Make sure that your instances are 'exactly' the same.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erik Enge" <erik@thingamy.net>
To: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
Cc: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>; <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.


> [Phil Harris]
> 
> | One of the points of ZEO, surely, is that the software products are
> | exactly the same?
> 
> This is what I'm hoping I have misunderstood.  'Cus right now I'm
> under the impression that the clients can, in theory, be running
> different Zope versions and different versions of the Products
> installed.



From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 23 13:30:38 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 14:30:38 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
In-Reply-To: <007001c11372$fa9bab70$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
 <87bsmbonag.fsf@thingamy.net>
 <006001c11372$30dddb50$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>
 <877kwzomwi.fsf@thingamy.net>
 <007001c11372$fa9bab70$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <87y9pfn7yp.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Phil Harris]

| As I said earlier, steer clear.

Isn't the point that I can't steer clear, and that must "make sure"
(and assume) by hand that the software I've installed on the two (or
whatever) machines is the same?


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Mon Jul 23 13:35:44 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:35:44 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com><87bsmbonag.fsf@thingamy.net><006001c11372$30dddb50$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk><877kwzomwi.fsf@thingamy.net><007001c11372$fa9bab70$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk> <87y9pfn7yp.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <008601c11374$0fb72740$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>

Have you seen http://www.zope.org/Members/dshaw/AdvancedSiteSetup ?

It might help a little.

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erik Enge" <erik@thingamy.net>
To: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
Cc: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>; <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.


> [Phil Harris]
> 
> | As I said earlier, steer clear.
> 
> Isn't the point that I can't steer clear, and that must "make sure"
> (and assume) by hand that the software I've installed on the two (or
> whatever) machines is the same?



From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 23 13:39:12 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 14:39:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
In-Reply-To: <008601c11374$0fb72740$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
 <87bsmbonag.fsf@thingamy.net>
 <006001c11372$30dddb50$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>
 <877kwzomwi.fsf@thingamy.net>
 <007001c11372$fa9bab70$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>
 <87y9pfn7yp.fsf@thingamy.net>
 <008601c11374$0fb72740$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <87hew3n7kf.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Phil Harris]

| Have you seen http://www.zope.org/Members/dshaw/AdvancedSiteSetup ?

Yeah, but it really doesn't solve any problems.

Still though, it's the thought that counts; thanks :)


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon Jul 23 14:01:08 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:01:08 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ZEO/DirectoryView interaction
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com> <87bsmbonag.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <3B5C2014.E19BC04D@nipltd.com>

Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> [Chris Withers]
> 
> | Do each of the clients have copies of the skins folders?
> 
> Each of the clients have the Filesystem Directory Views in
> portal_skins, yes.  Only one of them is showing any skins, though.
> Strange.

That wasn't what I asked, do each of the clients have copies of the skin folders
ON THE FILESYSTEM ;-)

Chris


From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 23 14:01:02 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 15:01:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ZEO/DirectoryView interaction
In-Reply-To: <3B5C2014.E19BC04D@nipltd.com>
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
 <87bsmbonag.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C2014.E19BC04D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <87zo9vlrzl.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Chris Withers]

| That wasn't what I asked, do each of the clients have copies of the
| skin folders ON THE FILESYSTEM ;-)

Oops.  *blush*  Yeah, they do.


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon Jul 23 14:07:58 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:07:58 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ZEO Advantages
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
 <87bsmbonag.fsf@thingamy.net>
 <006001c11372$30dddb50$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk> <877kwzomwi.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <3B5C21AE.6BE65C42@nipltd.com>

Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> [Phil Harris]
> 
> | One of the points of ZEO, surely, is that the software products are
> | exactly the same?
> 
> This is what I'm hoping I have misunderstood.  'Cus right now I'm
> under the impression that the clients can, in theory, be running
> different Zope versions and different versions of the Products
> installed.

This is actually one of the main reasons I use ZEO :-)

Yeah, you have to make sure you're using the same version of Zope and ZEO.

No, you don't have to have the same versions of Products/external methods/etc.

And one of your clients can start up in DEBUG mode while the others stay in
production mode.
And one of your clients can have ZDebug installed while the others don't ;-)
And some of your clients don't actually have to be running Zope ;-)

You can test out and debug new versions of products as long as they use the same
daat structures.
If you change data structures, then you need to be a little more careful.

You can have long running and resource intensive processes running on another
box (or operating system)...

I'm done :-)

Chris


From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 23 14:22:42 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 15:22:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
In-Reply-To: <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <87ofqblqzh.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Chris Withers]

| I'm wondering if the CMF has been tested on a ZEO setup like this.

Ok, this is wired (or is it weired?  I've never quite been able to
remember...).

I think we've figure it out now.

The Filesystem Directory View sets the attribute self.filepath to a
normalized INSTANCE_HOME every time it's created.  This is stored on
the object in Data.fs.  On http://server (a Linux-box) this is:

        Products/CMFDefault/skins/generic et al.

but on http://localhost (a Windows workstation) it is:

        Products\CMFDefault\skins\generic et al.

Could this be the culprit?  I think so, because when we tried (or,
more correctly, when Tom tried) to delete the generic/ in portal_skins
from http://localhost and recreate it, http://server suddenly didn't
show any skins in generic/.  Ugh.


From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 23 14:24:45 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 15:24:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] ZEO Advantages
In-Reply-To: <3B5C21AE.6BE65C42@nipltd.com>
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
 <87bsmbonag.fsf@thingamy.net>
 <006001c11372$30dddb50$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>
 <877kwzomwi.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C21AE.6BE65C42@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <87d76rlqw2.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Chris Withers]

| Yeah, you have to make sure you're using the same version of Zope
| and ZEO.

Exactly.  I don't like.
 
| No, you don't have to have the same versions of Products/external
| methods/etc.

I thought that was one of the reasons one had OtherProducts, for
example.
 
| And one of your clients can start up in DEBUG mode while the others stay in
| production mode.
| And one of your clients can have ZDebug installed while the others don't ;-)
| And some of your clients don't actually have to be running Zope ;-)
| 
| You can test out and debug new versions of products as long as they use the same
| daat structures.
| If you change data structures, then you need to be a little more careful.
| 
| You can have long running and resource intensive processes running on another
| box (or operating system)...

Oh, yeah, ZEO rocks.


From jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com  Mon Jul 23 14:39:59 2001
From: jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com (CMF)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:39:59 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Member Data Question
Message-ID: <OE29h6qb94263MK1CmB00002143@hotmail.com>

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How easy is it to add additional member data apart form username, email =
and password? I want to add a company name and company position field =
when a user joins and be able to display this information in the roster =
form, but beyond customizing the join_form, I quickly ran into =
difficulty.

Any help on this one

Cheers

Tim

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From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul 23 15:23:26 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:23:26 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
In-Reply-To: <87ofqblqzh.fsf@thingamy.net>; from erik@thingamy.net on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 03:22:42PM +0200
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com> <87ofqblqzh.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <20010723152325.C18093@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Erik Enge <erik@thingamy.net> [010723 14:29]:
> [Chris Withers]
> 
> | I'm wondering if the CMF has been tested on a ZEO setup like this.
> 
> Ok, this is wired (or is it weired?  I've never quite been able to
> remember...).
> 
> I think we've figure it out now.
> 
> The Filesystem Directory View sets the attribute self.filepath to a
> normalized INSTANCE_HOME every time it's created.  This is stored on
> the object in Data.fs.  On http://server (a Linux-box) this is:
> 
>         Products/CMFDefault/skins/generic et al.
> 
> but on http://localhost (a Windows workstation) it is:
> 
>         Products\CMFDefault\skins\generic et al.
> 
> Could this be the culprit?  I think so, because when we tried (or,
> more correctly, when Tom tried) to delete the generic/ in portal_skins
> from http://localhost and recreate it, http://server suddenly didn't
> show any skins in generic/.  Ugh.

The other thing worth investigating is incompatible line breaks
between OSs.  Filesystem Directory Views seem to be particularly
brittle w.r.t this.  I had exactly the same symptoms as you when
hosting something in win32 which used to be on Linux, and solved them
by converting all the line breaks.  

seb




From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 23 14:46:32 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 15:46:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
In-Reply-To: <20010723152325.C18093@lenin.jamkit.com>
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
 <87ofqblqzh.fsf@thingamy.net> <20010723152325.C18093@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <874rs3lpvr.fsf@thingamy.net>

[seb bacon]

| Filesystem Directory Views seem to be particularly brittle w.r.t
| this.

Is this logged as a bug somewhere?

| I had exactly the same symptoms as you when hosting something in
| win32 which used to be on Linux, and solved them by converting all
| the line breaks.

What do you mean by line breaks?  I don't think I have any broken
lines (with \n for example, if that's what you mean).


From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul 23 15:29:51 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:29:51 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Member Data Question
In-Reply-To: <OE29h6qb94263MK1CmB00002143@hotmail.com>; from jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 02:39:59PM +0100
References: <OE29h6qb94263MK1CmB00002143@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010723152950.D18093@lenin.jamkit.com>

* CMF <jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com> [010723 14:50]:
> How easy is it to add additional member data apart form username,
> email and password? I want to add a company name and company position
> field when a user joins and be able to display this information in the
> roster form, but beyond customizing the join_form, I quickly ran into
> difficulty. 

I've never tried this, but you should be able to add properties from
the properties tab of the MemberData Tool, in the ZMI.

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Mon Jul 23 15:33:43 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:33:43 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
In-Reply-To: <874rs3lpvr.fsf@thingamy.net>; from erik@thingamy.net on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 03:46:32PM +0200
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com> <87ofqblqzh.fsf@thingamy.net> <20010723152325.C18093@lenin.jamkit.com> <874rs3lpvr.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <20010723153342.E18093@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Erik Enge <erik@thingamy.net> [010723 14:53]:
> [seb bacon]
> 
> | Filesystem Directory Views seem to be particularly brittle w.r.t
> | this.
> 
> Is this logged as a bug somewhere?

No, although several people have mentioned it.  I've not logged it as
a bug, because I've not got round to making a reproduceable test case
yet.  So I could be wildly wrong.

> 
> | I had exactly the same symptoms as you when hosting something in
> | win32 which used to be on Linux, and solved them by converting all
> | the line breaks.
> 
> What do you mean by line breaks?  I don't think I have any broken
> lines (with \n for example, if that's what you mean).

I mean: on Windows, a line break is signified by "\r\n"; on Unix, by
"\n"; and on Macs by "\r".  ("\r" is carriage return).

seb


From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 23 14:55:36 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 15:55:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
In-Reply-To: <20010723153342.E18093@lenin.jamkit.com>
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
 <87ofqblqzh.fsf@thingamy.net> <20010723152325.C18093@lenin.jamkit.com>
 <874rs3lpvr.fsf@thingamy.net> <20010723153342.E18093@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <87r8v7kaw7.fsf@thingamy.net>

[seb bacon]

| No, although several people have mentioned it.  I've not logged it
| as a bug, because I've not got round to making a reproduceable test
| case yet.  So I could be wildly wrong.

We can. :)
 
| I mean: on Windows, a line break is signified by "\r\n"; on Unix, by
| "\n"; and on Macs by "\r".  ("\r" is carriage return).

Interesting...  Because this is appended to INSTANCE_HOME?


From karimy@nipltd.com  Mon Jul 23 14:59:51 2001
From: karimy@nipltd.com (Karim Yaici)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:59:51 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How can override ActionsTool (practically)
Message-ID: <017401c1137f$be8ef9e0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com>

Hi,
Looking at the documentation, I found an article about the API implemented
in CMF (portal_actions,portal_memebership...etc). There is actually a folder
called 'interfaces' (in CMFDefault) which is self-explanatory...but I can
not yet figure out how to indicate to CMF to use them (__ini__.py?). I am
particularly interested in modifying the links on the actions_box.

Any help will be appreciated.

Cheers,

Karim



From augusto@artlover.com  Mon Jul 23 16:08:59 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:08:59 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re:  How can override ActionsTool (practically)
Message-ID: <002901c11389$667e11f0$850a000a@2ausumserver>

This is rigth now a concern to me, as I need to provide languange translated
action commands, and after finding out that some of them aren't easy
changeable (due they're tied up to the logic behind, like the 'Edit'
command).  The default implementation is the result of an iteration and so
they are grouped within a single table.

This is my workaround. Turn action_box skin into a variable list provider.
Variables corresponding to those commands would allow them to be
placed/customized at different places.


Ausum




Karim Yaici wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Looking at the documentation, I found an article about the API implemented
> in CMF (portal_actions,portal_memebership...etc). There is actually a
folder
> called 'interfaces' (in CMFDefault) which is self-explanatory...but I can
> not yet figure out how to indicate to CMF to use them (__ini__.py?). I am
> particularly interested in modifying the links on the actions_box.
>
> Any help will be appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Karim
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests



From augusto@artlover.com  Mon Jul 23 16:23:07 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:23:07 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: How to save extra data with CMF-object (update)
Message-ID: <003801c1138b$602a95b0$850a000a@2ausumserver>

As Tres suggested earlier in this thread, it is possible to add new
metadata to portal objects, as far as those were added via the Property
Manager.

So this is what I've done so far, after adding the desired metadata
index at the catalog:

- Added the desired label input at the metadata_edit_form 
  skin.
- Enabled the metadata_edit script to create the extra data,
  by writing the following code at the top of the script, 
  after adding the right parameter to the parameter list:

 if not hasattr(context, 'newproperty'):
    context.manage_addProperty('newproperty', '', 'string')
    context.manage_changeProperties(newproperty=newproperty)
 else: 
    context.manage_changeProperties(newproperty=newproperty)

And that's all. The so added metadata gets catalogued as expected. 


Ausum




From karimy@nipltd.com  Mon Jul 23 16:23:28 2001
From: karimy@nipltd.com (Karim Yaici)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:23:28 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: How can override ActionsTool (practically)
References: <002901c11389$667e11f0$850a000a@2ausumserver>
Message-ID: <019a01c1138b$6d065d00$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com>

Ok, as I could not just sit there and wait for a reply, I went into
experimenting an idea though I was not sure about it . First, I took the
ActionsTool.py (CMFCore) and created a subclass (ActionsToolSubclass), and
overrided the 'listActions' method. Do not forget to change the last line of
the code to:
InitializeClass(ActionsToolSubclass)

Now, we need to tell CMF to use this tool. The way to do it is to modify the
'tools' tuple in the CMFCore/__init__.py, by removing
'ActionsTool.ActionsTool' and replacing it with
'ActionsTool.ActionsToolSubclass'

And this worked for me (it's broken now as I was trying to subclass
MembershipTool.py as well ;-( )

Thank you all

Karim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ausum" <augusto@artlover.com>
To: <karimy@nipltd.com>; <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: How can override ActionsTool (practically)


> This is rigth now a concern to me, as I need to provide languange
translated
> action commands, and after finding out that some of them aren't easy
> changeable (due they're tied up to the logic behind, like the 'Edit'
> command).  The default implementation is the result of an iteration and so
> they are grouped within a single table.
>
> This is my workaround. Turn action_box skin into a variable list provider.
> Variables corresponding to those commands would allow them to be
> placed/customized at different places.
>
>
> Ausum
>
>
>
>
> Karim Yaici wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Looking at the documentation, I found an article about the API
implemented
> > in CMF (portal_actions,portal_memebership...etc). There is actually a
> folder
> > called 'interfaces' (in CMFDefault) which is self-explanatory...but I
can
> > not yet figure out how to indicate to CMF to use them (__ini__.py?). I
am
> > particularly interested in modifying the links on the actions_box.
> >
> > Any help will be appreciated.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Karim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests
>



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon Jul 23 16:29:54 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:29:54 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
 <87ofqblqzh.fsf@thingamy.net> <20010723152325.C18093@lenin.jamkit.com>
 <874rs3lpvr.fsf@thingamy.net> <20010723153342.E18093@lenin.jamkit.com> <87r8v7kaw7.fsf@thingamy.net>
Message-ID: <3B5C42F2.297E0F6D@nipltd.com>

Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> [seb bacon]
> 
> | No, although several people have mentioned it.  I've not logged it
> | as a bug, because I've not got round to making a reproduceable test
> | case yet.  So I could be wildly wrong.
> 
> We can. :)

You know where to find the CMF tracker.

> | I mean: on Windows, a line break is signified by "\r\n"; on Unix, by
> | "\n"; and on Macs by "\r".  ("\r" is carriage return).
> 
> Interesting...  Because this is appended to INSTANCE_HOME?

Huh? What do you mean?

Chris


From erik@thingamy.net  Mon Jul 23 16:29:30 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: 23 Jul 2001 17:29:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO-strangeness.
In-Reply-To: <3B5C42F2.297E0F6D@nipltd.com>
References: <87u203oogv.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C1492.31FB04ED@nipltd.com>
 <87ofqblqzh.fsf@thingamy.net> <20010723152325.C18093@lenin.jamkit.com>
 <874rs3lpvr.fsf@thingamy.net> <20010723153342.E18093@lenin.jamkit.com>
 <87r8v7kaw7.fsf@thingamy.net> <3B5C42F2.297E0F6D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <87d76rk6jp.fsf@thingamy.net>

[Chris Withers]

| You know where to find the CMF tracker.

Yeah, I thought I'd wait till Tres woke up and gave his blessing :)
 
| > Interesting...  Because this is appended to INSTANCE_HOME?
| 
| Huh? What do you mean?

Kinda like:

        lib\python\Products\n\r

or
        lib/python/Products\n


From augusto@artlover.com  Mon Jul 23 16:39:29 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:39:29 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: How to save extra data with CMF-object (update)
Message-ID: <000701c1138d$a938e840$850a000a@2ausumserver>

I just didn't notice that the user must have the right manage...
permissions. Doesn't work for anonymous. :(


Ausum


My previous post:
>
> As Tres suggested earlier in this thread, it is possible to add new
> metadata to portal objects, as far as those were added via the Property
> Manager.
>
(...)



From sedat@kibele.com  Mon Jul 23 16:44:46 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (Sedat Yilmazer)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:44:46 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF 1.1 at Zopesite.com
In-Reply-To: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B930A7DBF@kibele.localnet.net>
Message-ID: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C506@kibele.localnet.net>

I can not find that zopesite.com !! where is it?

Sedat
-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Tres Seaver
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:50 PM
To: Scotts
Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF 1.1 at Zopesite.com


On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Scotts wrote:

> For those of you wanting to use CMF 1.1. I have installed it on
> Zopesite.com. Or if you have been using it on your home machine and =
would
> like to use it live. Sign up for a free site, create your CMF site and =
show
> everyone what you can do with CMF.

Cool!

Tres.
--
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org


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requests



From marc@bowery.com  Mon Jul 23 16:54:22 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:54:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Member Data Question
In-Reply-To: <20010723152950.D18093@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <B781C0ED.30FA6%marc@bowery.com>

Yes, you can do that, and then grab some code from a property list page
(e.g. from some management interface) and put it into personalize_form.

> From: seb bacon <seb@jamkit.com>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:29:51 +0100
> To: CMF <jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com>
> Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Member Data Question
> 
> * CMF <jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com> [010723 14:50]:
>> How easy is it to add additional member data apart form username,
>> email and password? I want to add a company name and company position
>> field when a user joins and be able to display this information in the
>> roster form, but beyond customizing the join_form, I quickly ran into
>> difficulty. 
> 
> I've never tried this, but you should be able to add properties from
> the properties tab of the MemberData Tool, in the ZMI.
> 
> seb
> 



From sedat@kibele.com  Mon Jul 23 17:08:08 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (Sedat Yilmazer)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:08:08 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Login
In-Reply-To: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B930A7D8F@kibele.localnet.net>
Message-ID: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C507@kibele.localnet.net>

 I had a similar problem some time ago. my solution was=20
<not 100% secure>
 Client side
 1-) create a random 64 char key
 2-) encode the user name and password via that key
 3-) get system time and encode it using the key
 4-) concatenate the key, system time  and the encoded chars to for a =
parameter
 3-) pass that parameter to the web server

 Web server side
 1-) get the parameter
 2-) split the first 64 chars key encoded system time and the rest
 3-) decode the rest using the first 64 chars
 4-) decode the system time. If the system time is somewhere near the =
curren time continue otherwise reject
 5-) try to auth. the user

 My encoding/DECODING  was simple XOR. Looking at the passed parameter =
you will see a junk. I would not attempt to decode that.

</not 100% secure>

 Sedat

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Lene Eikemo
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 2:29 PM
To: zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Login


I want my CMF-site-members to enter from an intranet-site without loggin =
in!
In other words; when the user clicks on the Zope-link on the intranet,he
automatically gets his "My stuff" -without seeing the login-schema at =
all.
Is this possible???
(the user is authenticated at the intranet using LDAP, and I'm planning =
to
use LoginManager with LDAP-aut.) (or should i use LDAPAdapter? I'm NOT =
going
to change/add user-records in Zope)

Lene K


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From paul@digicool.com  Mon Jul 23 17:59:57 2001
From: paul@digicool.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:59:57 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] HELP: Need someone to be interviewed for magazine
Message-ID: <3B5C580D.6070402@digicool.com>

Sorry to barge in on you, but someone from Application Development 
Trends is interviewing us about metadata in the CMF.  We need someone 
acting as a "customer", using CMF in something real, that can talk to 
this guy.

Help!

--Paul



From eric@walstads.net  Mon Jul 23 18:39:09 2001
From: eric@walstads.net (Eric Walstad)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:39:09 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF1.1 work with Zope 2.4.0?
Message-ID: <NEBBIHDFELHAEMHJHFIEKEEJCOAA.eric@walstads.net>

Sorry if this is FAQ.  I looked for info on the mailing list archives but
didn't see much.
Does CMF1.1 work with Zope 2.4.0?  If not, what's the ETA on a compatible
combination?
I haven't looked at CMF since it was PTK way back when.  I figure now might
be a good time to look into upgrading to Zope 2.4 and CMF.
Please reply to me at eric@walstads.net as I'm not subscribed to this
mailing list.
Thanks for your time,
Eric.



From andrew@digicool.com  Mon Jul 23 19:00:10 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:00:10 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF-Calendar issues
In-Reply-To: <20010720154859.IYXB3790.femail1.rdc1.on.home.com@there>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOMEPKCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

Chris,
I do not see where there are comments that you referenced about the
dateMunger script puking on line 3.  Where are these comments, I wasn't
aware of this.  Also, what is the full output of the traceback (i.e. what
the error type is)?
Did you follow the examples I have online at:
http://cmf.zope.org/Members/andrew/projects/CMFCalendar/examples
These work, as several others, including myself are using them as is.
BTW, this is the correct list to be posting this on....
Thanks,
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Chris Herrnberger
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:49 PM
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF-Calendar issues
>
>
> Greetings
>
> Just started playing with CMF again (1.1) after a long hiatus. Its come a
> long way since the early PTK days. Congrats to all the coders..
>
> I am having problems installing the CMF-Calendar though. Followed
> the HowTo
> from http://cmf.zope.org/Members/frankmc/UsingCalendarTag/ and it
> seems to
> choke on line 3 of the dateMunger. While there are comments to
> this on the
> site there is no solution posted. Using the supplied script from the
> referenced site.
> http://cmf.zope.org/Members/andrew/projects/CMFCalendar/dateMunger
>  resluts in
> the traceback below.
>
> Any comments or suggestions would be helpful. Also where is the
> link to CVS
> versions or is this locked down to developers only?
>
> Best and many thanks
>
> Chris
>
> PS: If this should have been posted to the zope list pls accept
> my apologies
> in advance.
>
> output file below:
> _____________________________________________________________
>
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in
> publish_module
>   File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in
> publish
>   File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
> zpublisher_exception_hook
>     (Object: Traversable)
>   File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in
> publish
>   File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in
> mapply
>     (Object: calendar)
>   File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in
> call_object
>     (Object: calendar)
>   File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line
> 189, in __call__
>     (Object: calendar)
>   File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line
> 540, in __call__
>     (Object: calendar)
>   File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Let.py,
> line 148,
> in render
>     (Object: pm="dateMunger()[0]"
>           current="dateMunger()[1]"
>           nm="dateMunger()[2]")
>   File
> /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 339,
> in eval
>     (Object: dateMunger()[0])
>     (Info: dateMunger)
>   File <string>, line 0, in ?
>   File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line
> 324, in __call__
>     (Object: dateMunger)
>   File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line
> 354, in _bindAndExec
>     (Object: dateMunger)
>   File
> /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/PythonScript.py,
> line 336, in _exec
>     (Object: dateMunger)
>     (Info: ({'script': <PythonScript instance at 885fa18>,
> 'context': <Folder
> instance at 8749ac8>, 'container': <Folder instance at 8749ac8>,
> 'traverse_subpath': []}, (), {}, None))
>   File Script (Python), line 3, in dateMunger
>   File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line
> 324, in __call__
>     (Object: monthRange)
>   File /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line
> 354, in _bindAndExec
>     (Object: monthRange)
>   File
> /home/chris/zope233/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/PythonScript.py,
> line 336, in _exec
>     (Object: monthRange)
>     (Info: ({'script': <PythonScript instance at 8843130>,
> 'context': <Folder
> instance at 8749ac8>, 'container': <Folder instance at 8749ac8>,
> 'traverse_subpath': []}, (DateTime('2001/07/20 11:44:01.36874
> US/Eastern'),),
> {}, None))
> TypeError: (see above)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From rurban@x-ray.at  Mon Jul 23 19:11:51 2001
From: rurban@x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:11:51 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF1.1 work with Zope 2.4.0?
References: <NEBBIHDFELHAEMHJHFIEKEEJCOAA.eric@walstads.net>
Message-ID: <3B5C68E7.9DB9087F@x-ray.at>

Eric Walstad schrieb:
> Sorry if this is FAQ.  I looked for info on the mailing list archives but
> didn't see much.
> Does CMF1.1 work with Zope 2.4.0?  If not, what's the ETA on a compatible
> combination?
> I haven't looked at CMF since it was PTK way back when.  I figure now might
> be a good time to look into upgrading to Zope 2.4 and CMF.
> Please reply to me at eric@walstads.net as I'm not subscribed to this
> mailing list.

works fine (ie. better) besides this:

  File
"/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.4.0/Products/CMFDefault/skins/content/metadata_edit.py",
line 66
    return action_method( context
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function

-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/


From khine@btinternet.com  Mon Jul 23 22:40:35 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:40:35 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is 2.4.0 compatable with CMF 1.1 --  [TypeError:  listFolderContents() got an unexpected keyword argument 'filter']
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEBGCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hi,
I just got the lates & greatest zope 2.4.0 stable and am trying it with CMF
and the latest checkout. Existing site displays correctly, but when I try to
view the folder contents I get the following error


Zope Error
Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.

Error Type: TypeError
Error Value: listFolderContents() got an unexpected keyword argument
'filter'


Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
223, in publish_module
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
187, in publish
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 226, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: LockableItem)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
171, in publish
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160,
in mapply
    (Object: RestrictedDTML)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
112, in call_object
    (Object: RestrictedDTML)
  File
/usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/FSDTMLMethod.py, line
182, in __call__
    (Object: RestrictedDTML)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
line 544, in __call__
    (Object: RestrictedDTML)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Let.py,
line 148, in render
    (Object: filterString="REQUEST.get( 'folderfilter', '' )"
          filter="decodeFolderFilter( filterString )")
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line
512, in renderwb
    (Object: listFolderContents( filter=filter ))
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py,
line 230, in eval
    (Object: listFolderContents( filter=filter ))
    (Info: filter)
  File <string>, line 2, in f
TypeError: (see above)

Apart from that the site runs OK

regards

Norman

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zz/********/z/****\zzz|****\*\zz|*******|z
z/^^^^^^^^/z/******\zz|*^^^^|*|z|*|^^^^^|z norman khine
zzzzzz/**/z|**/^^\**|z|*|zzz|*|z|*|zzzzzzz mailto:norman@khine.net
zzzzz/**/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|****/*/zz|*****|zzz purley
z/******/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|*|^^zzzzz|*|^^^|zzz UK
zzZ/**/zzzz|**\^^/**|z|*|zzzzzzz|*|zzzzzzz
zz/******/zz\******/zz|*|zzzzzzz|*|*****|z
z/^^^^^^/zzzz\^^^^/zzz|^|zzzzzzz|^^^^^^^|z
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz




From andrew@digicool.com  Mon Jul 23 22:27:42 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:27:42 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is 2.4.0 compatable with CMF 1.1 --  [TypeError:  listFolderContents() got an unexpected keyword argument 'filter']
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEBGCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOOEPMCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

Is this a customized skin?
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Norman Khine
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 5:41 PM
> To: Zope-CMF
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is 2.4.0 compatable with CMF 1.1 -- [TypeError:
> listFolderContents() got an unexpected keyword argument 'filter']
> 
> 
> Hi,
> I just got the lates & greatest zope 2.4.0 stable and am trying 
> it with CMF
> and the latest checkout. Existing site displays correctly, but 
> when I try to
> view the folder contents I get the following error
> 
> 
> Zope Error
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> 
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: listFolderContents() got an unexpected keyword argument
> 'filter'
> 
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 223, in publish_module
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 187, in publish
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, 
> line 226, in
> zpublisher_exception_hook
>     (Object: LockableItem)
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 171, in publish
>   File 
> /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160,
> in mapply
>     (Object: RestrictedDTML)
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 112, in call_object
>     (Object: RestrictedDTML)
>   File
> /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/FSDTMLMetho
> d.py, line
> 182, in __call__
>     (Object: RestrictedDTML)
>   File 
> /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
> line 544, in __call__
>     (Object: RestrictedDTML)
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Let.py,
> line 148, in render
>     (Object: filterString="REQUEST.get( 'folderfilter', '' )"
>           filter="decodeFolderFilter( filterString )")
>   File 
> /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line
> 512, in renderwb
>     (Object: listFolderContents( filter=filter ))
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py,
> line 230, in eval
>     (Object: listFolderContents( filter=filter ))
>     (Info: filter)
>   File <string>, line 2, in f
> TypeError: (see above)
> 
> Apart from that the site runs OK
> 
> regards
> 
> Norman
> 
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> zz/********/z/****\zzz|****\*\zz|*******|z
> z/^^^^^^^^/z/******\zz|*^^^^|*|z|*|^^^^^|z norman khine
> zzzzzz/**/z|**/^^\**|z|*|zzz|*|z|*|zzzzzzz mailto:norman@khine.net
> zzzzz/**/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|****/*/zz|*****|zzz purley
> z/******/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|*|^^zzzzz|*|^^^|zzz UK
> zzZ/**/zzzz|**\^^/**|z|*|zzzzzzz|*|zzzzzzz
> zz/******/zz\******/zz|*|zzzzzzz|*|*****|z
> z/^^^^^^/zzzz\^^^^/zzz|^|zzzzzzz|^^^^^^^|z
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and 
> feature requests
> 


From andrew@digicool.com  Mon Jul 23 22:32:35 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:32:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is 2.4.0 compatable with CMF 1.1 --  [TypeError:  listFolderContents() got an unexpected keyword argument 'filter']
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEBGCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOCEPNCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

Norman,
This has been fixed in CVS.  This is due to an argument change in the method
listFolderContents I made last week for the work I was doing to port all the
skins to ZPT.  I forgot to update the dtml skin to support this change.
I'll also likely be posting on this issue in more detail.....
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Norman Khine
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 5:41 PM
> To: Zope-CMF
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is 2.4.0 compatable with CMF 1.1 -- [TypeError:
> listFolderContents() got an unexpected keyword argument 'filter']
>
>
> Hi,
> I just got the lates & greatest zope 2.4.0 stable and am trying
> it with CMF
> and the latest checkout. Existing site displays correctly, but
> when I try to
> view the folder contents I get the following error
>
>
> Zope Error
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
>
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: listFolderContents() got an unexpected keyword argument
> 'filter'
>
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 223, in publish_module
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 187, in publish
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py,
> line 226, in
> zpublisher_exception_hook
>     (Object: LockableItem)
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 171, in publish
>   File
> /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160,
> in mapply
>     (Object: RestrictedDTML)
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 112, in call_object
>     (Object: RestrictedDTML)
>   File
> /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/FSDTMLMetho
> d.py, line
> 182, in __call__
>     (Object: RestrictedDTML)
>   File
> /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
> line 544, in __call__
>     (Object: RestrictedDTML)
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Let.py,
> line 148, in render
>     (Object: filterString="REQUEST.get( 'folderfilter', '' )"
>           filter="decodeFolderFilter( filterString )")
>   File
> /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line
> 512, in renderwb
>     (Object: listFolderContents( filter=filter ))
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py,
> line 230, in eval
>     (Object: listFolderContents( filter=filter ))
>     (Info: filter)
>   File <string>, line 2, in f
> TypeError: (see above)
>
> Apart from that the site runs OK
>
> regards
>
> Norman
>
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> zz/********/z/****\zzz|****\*\zz|*******|z
> z/^^^^^^^^/z/******\zz|*^^^^|*|z|*|^^^^^|z norman khine
> zzzzzz/**/z|**/^^\**|z|*|zzz|*|z|*|zzzzzzz mailto:norman@khine.net
> zzzzz/**/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|****/*/zz|*****|zzz purley
> z/******/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|*|^^zzzzz|*|^^^|zzz UK
> zzZ/**/zzzz|**\^^/**|z|*|zzzzzzz|*|zzzzzzz
> zz/******/zz\******/zz|*|zzzzzzz|*|*****|z
> z/^^^^^^/zzzz\^^^^/zzz|^|zzzzzzz|^^^^^^^|z
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From khine@btinternet.com  Tue Jul 24 09:24:42 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:24:42 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is 2.4.0 compatable with CMF 1.1 --  [TypeError:  listFolderContents() got an unexpected keyword argument 'filter']
In-Reply-To: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOOEPMCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEBNCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hello Andrew,
The only custom skin that I have is the Printable skin as discussed in the
how-to. But this also happens on new portal installs which don't have this
skin added.

Rgeards

Norman

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Sawyers [mailto:andrew@digicool.com]
Sent: 23 July 2001 22:28
To: Norman Khine; Zope-CMF
Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Is 2.4.0 compatable with CMF 1.1 -- [TypeError:
listFolderContents() got an unexpected keyword argument 'filter']


Is this a customized skin?
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Norman Khine
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 5:41 PM
> To: Zope-CMF
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is 2.4.0 compatable with CMF 1.1 -- [TypeError:
> listFolderContents() got an unexpected keyword argument 'filter']
>
>
> Hi,
> I just got the lates & greatest zope 2.4.0 stable and am trying
> it with CMF
> and the latest checkout. Existing site displays correctly, but
> when I try to
> view the folder contents I get the following error
>
>
> Zope Error
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
>
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: listFolderContents() got an unexpected keyword argument
> 'filter'
>
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 223, in publish_module
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 187, in publish
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py,
> line 226, in
> zpublisher_exception_hook
>     (Object: LockableItem)
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 171, in publish
>   File
> /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160,
> in mapply
>     (Object: RestrictedDTML)
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 112, in call_object
>     (Object: RestrictedDTML)
>   File
> /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/FSDTMLMetho
> d.py, line
> 182, in __call__
>     (Object: RestrictedDTML)
>   File
> /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
> line 544, in __call__
>     (Object: RestrictedDTML)
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Let.py,
> line 148, in render
>     (Object: filterString="REQUEST.get( 'folderfilter', '' )"
>           filter="decodeFolderFilter( filterString )")
>   File
> /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line
> 512, in renderwb
>     (Object: listFolderContents( filter=filter ))
>   File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2-4-0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py,
> line 230, in eval
>     (Object: listFolderContents( filter=filter ))
>     (Info: filter)
>   File <string>, line 2, in f
> TypeError: (see above)
>
> Apart from that the site runs OK
>
> regards
>
> Norman
>
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> zz/********/z/****\zzz|****\*\zz|*******|z
> z/^^^^^^^^/z/******\zz|*^^^^|*|z|*|^^^^^|z norman khine
> zzzzzz/**/z|**/^^\**|z|*|zzz|*|z|*|zzzzzzz mailto:norman@khine.net
> zzzzz/**/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|****/*/zz|*****|zzz purley
> z/******/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|*|^^zzzzz|*|^^^|zzz UK
> zzZ/**/zzzz|**\^^/**|z|*|zzzzzzz|*|zzzzzzz
> zz/******/zz\******/zz|*|zzzzzzz|*|*****|z
> z/^^^^^^/zzzz\^^^^/zzz|^|zzzzzzz|^^^^^^^|z
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>




From robert@redcor.ch  Tue Jul 24 10:18:56 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:18:56 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] what must I do to move CMF-Site from linux to windoze and back?
Message-ID: <002301c11421$aa85b450$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

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Hi there,
I can not move a CMF-site between Linux and Windoze. The problem is that =
all skins are empty when an exported site is imported "on the other =
side"
I just tried whether this hapens on 2.4 also, and it does!=20
I checked importing a site in 2.4 windows (CMF from CVS)  I exported =
from a Linux 2.3.3 CMF 1.1

Thanks for any tips
Robert

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi there,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I can not move a CMF-site between Linux =
and=20
Windoze. The problem is that all skins are empty when an exported site =
is=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just tried whether this hapens on 2.4 =
also, and=20
it does! </FONT></DIV>
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windows (CMF from=20
CVS)  I exported from a Linux 2.3.3 CMF 1.1</FONT></DIV>
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From bill@libc.org  Tue Jul 24 10:19:51 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 24 Jul 2001 03:19:51 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF-CVS 23 July and Zope 2.4.0 Release  WooHoo!
Message-ID: <995966392.20568.6.camel@locutus.libc.org>

OK, here is the deal, I figured I would give this combo a shot. So far,
mostly good.

Here is what I have had to do so far:

CMFCalendar
===========
  The install script is now broken. It is due to the change to
PluggabelIndexes, it seems. In the new system, addIndex now requires you
pass instead of the name of the index, an instance of the index.

I patched it rather hastilly, more as a test than anything else. I
submitted it (patch and all) to the CMF Tracker.


So far, that's it. :)

Oh, btw, I added a patch to the collector to make the default
personalize_form page check for a logged in user. If the Anonymous role
is detected, it raises Unauthorized. This 'fixes' an ugliness. Without
this, if someone is not loggd in, and they try to view their prefernces
page, they will get an attribute error, since the page tries to get
attributes of AUTHENTICATED_USER that are not there for anonymous users.
:)

Well, off converting Site Designs to Skins .. should have some for
posting in the near future (Say, any more skin contests coming up for a
chance at the new "Zope Company" T-Shirts and misc.? ;^)= )

Bill Anderson




From jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com  Tue Jul 24 10:44:59 2001
From: jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com (CMF)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:44:59 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Member Data Question
References: <B781C0ED.30FA6%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <OE517nyeKzGZuNY1SWo00002a10@hotmail.com>

Thanks for your help guys, but i'm still puzzled. In MemberData properties,
I have added the field company. In the join_form i have added a text box
which takes the value <dtml-var company>. Is that all i am required to do?
Will the company data be stored somewhere when Register is hit? Where can i
see all the stored data as i'm not sure if this is being stored. In the
Roster From, in the same way as the following code is used
<dtml-if listed> Yes <dtml-else> No </dtml-if>
I have added
<dtml-if company> <dtml-var company> <dtml-else> None </dtml-if>
But it always returns None, even though it 'should' return some company
names if i have done everything right? So I obviously haven't, so what am i
doing wrong?
Cheers
Tim

> Yes, you can do that, and then grab some code from a property list page
> (e.g. from some management interface) and put it into personalize_form.

> > I've never tried this, but you should be able to add properties from
> > the properties tab of the MemberData Tool, in the ZMI.



From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 24 11:59:01 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:59:01 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Member Data Question
In-Reply-To: <OE517nyeKzGZuNY1SWo00002a10@hotmail.com>; from jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 10:44:59AM +0100
References: <B781C0ED.30FA6%marc@bowery.com> <OE517nyeKzGZuNY1SWo00002a10@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010724115900.A20585@lenin.jamkit.com>

* CMF <jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com> [010724 10:53]:
> Thanks for your help guys, but i'm still puzzled. In MemberData properties,
> I have added the field company. In the join_form i have added a text box
> which takes the value <dtml-var company>. Is that all i am required to do?

That should be fine.

> Will the company data be stored somewhere when Register is hit? Where can i
> see all the stored data as i'm not sure if this is being stored. In the
> Roster From, in the same way as the following code is used
> <dtml-if listed> Yes <dtml-else> No </dtml-if>
> I have added
> <dtml-if company> <dtml-var company> <dtml-else> None </dtml-if>
> But it always returns None, even though it 'should' return some company
> names if i have done everything right? So I obviously haven't, so what am i
> doing wrong?

If you look at the roster form, you'll see that the properties
returned are attributes of the getRoster() method.  If you look at the
MembershipTool, you'll see that this method only returns a subset of
member data tool.  To get attributes of a member, you need to get a
member object from the MembershipTool, for example:

  <dtml-let member="portal_membership.getAuthenticatedMember()">
    <dtml-var "member.company">
  </dtml-let>
> 
> > Yes, you can do that, and then grab some code from a property list page
> > (e.g. from some management interface) and put it into personalize_form.
> 
> > > I've never tried this, but you should be able to add properties from
> > > the properties tab of the MemberData Tool, in the ZMI.
> 


From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 24 12:04:44 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:04:44 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] what must I do to move CMF-Site from linux to windoze and back?
In-Reply-To: <002301c11421$aa85b450$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>; from robert@redcor.ch on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:18:56AM +0200
References: <002301c11421$aa85b450$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
Message-ID: <20010724120443.B20585@lenin.jamkit.com>

There has been some discussion about this about once every 2 weeks,
but no-one's been able to get it reliably reproduced, so no-one's
quite sure what it is.  I think it's windows / unix line breaks
messing stuff up.  Try converting everything in your skins to windows
style line breaks and see if that works.  I *think* it did for me, but
I didn't have the time to investigate further - so it could have been
some other unseen voodoo.

FYI, I do this using a perl oneliner:

 perl -pi -e 's/\n$/\r\n/' *

seb

* Robert Rottermann <robert@redcor.ch> [010724 10:17]:
> Hi there,
> I can not move a CMF-site between Linux and Windoze. The problem is that all skins are empty when an exported site is imported "on the other side"
> I just tried whether this hapens on 2.4 also, and it does! 
> I checked importing a site in 2.4 windows (CMF from CVS)  I exported from a Linux 2.3.3 CMF 1.1
> 
> Thanks for any tips
> Robert


From norman@bmpublications.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 11:42:27 2001
From: norman@bmpublications.co.uk (Norman Khine)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:42:27 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] instructions as to how I can set the security mechanisms
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOGEODCLAA.norman@bmpublications.co.uk>

Hello,
Are there any instructions as to how I can set the security mechanisms for a
cmf. In perticular I would like to understand the mechanism which controls
what a Member can add to the portal, for example:

If I create the following roles:

News_Editor - this person can only add NewsItems
Document_Editor - this person can only add DocumentItems
Members - they can only add folders, images, files and URL links

Many thanks

Norman





From robert@redcor.ch  Tue Jul 24 13:24:24 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:24:24 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] what must I do to move CMF-Site from linux to windoze and back?
References: <002301c11421$aa85b450$0a01a8c0@stravinsky> <20010724120443.B20585@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c1143b$936a5590$e0a4023e@karin>

Seb thanks for your answer.

while explaining why your tip does not really help an idea did strike.
I assume that the skins do store an absolute path to the directories. Which
of course are not the same on the two platforms.
I'll check into that.
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: "seb bacon" <seb@jamkit.com>
To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
Cc: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] what must I do to move CMF-Site from linux to
windoze and back?


> There has been some discussion about this about once every 2 weeks,
> but no-one's been able to get it reliably reproduced, so no-one's
> quite sure what it is.  I think it's windows / unix line breaks
> messing stuff up.  Try converting everything in your skins to windows
> style line breaks and see if that works.  I *think* it did for me, but
> I didn't have the time to investigate further - so it could have been
> some other unseen voodoo.
>
> FYI, I do this using a perl oneliner:
>
>  perl -pi -e 's/\n$/\r\n/' *
>
> seb
>
> * Robert Rottermann <robert@redcor.ch> [010724 10:17]:
> > Hi there,
> > I can not move a CMF-site between Linux and Windoze. The problem is that
all skins are empty when an exported site is imported "on the other side"
> > I just tried whether this hapens on 2.4 also, and it does!
> > I checked importing a site in 2.4 windows (CMF from CVS)  I exported
from a Linux 2.3.3 CMF 1.1
> >
> > Thanks for any tips
> > Robert
>



From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 24 14:00:05 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:00:05 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] what must I do to move CMF-Site from linux to windoze and back?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c1143b$936a5590$e0a4023e@karin>; from robert@redcor.ch on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 02:24:24PM +0200
References: <002301c11421$aa85b450$0a01a8c0@stravinsky> <20010724120443.B20585@lenin.jamkit.com> <000c01c1143b$936a5590$e0a4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <20010724140004.A21379@lenin.jamkit.com>

Yes, that sounds like a likely culprit to me :-)  Someone else
suggested this the other day.  I can't remember who though...

seb

* Robert Rottermann <robert@redcor.ch> [010724 13:22]:
> Seb thanks for your answer.
> 
> while explaining why your tip does not really help an idea did strike.
> I assume that the skins do store an absolute path to the directories. Which
> of course are not the same on the two platforms.
> I'll check into that.
> Robert


From jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com  Tue Jul 24 13:24:36 2001
From: jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com (Tim Fouracre)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:24:36 +0000
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Member Data Question
Message-ID: <F100xOjIL2jpWkfb81I00005b50@hotmail.com>

>If you look at the roster form, you'll see that the properties
>returned are attributes of the getRoster() method.  If you look at the
>MembershipTool, you'll see that this method only returns a subset of
>member data tool.  To get attributes of a member, you need to get a
>member object from the MembershipTool, for example:
>
>   <dtml-let member="portal_membership.getAuthenticatedMember()">
>     <dtml-var "member.company">
>   </dtml-let>

Yay, I have it half working.
getAuthenticatedMember gets details about only the current logged in user, 
but in the roster i want to display details about all users, so i tried 
using getMemberById instead, this worked fine for me as manager, but when i 
tried logging in as a test user i found that i didn't have permission to 
view the roster.
I did some searching and found 
http://cmf.zope.org/design/interfaces/tools/IF_portal_membership
which seems to imply that there is no function that returns all members 
details for a user with anonymous permissions, only one that returns their 
home folder/url.
So what can i do now?
Thanks for your help so far
Cheers
Tim

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From jtk@adelphia.net  Tue Jul 24 13:25:47 2001
From: jtk@adelphia.net (Jeff Kowalczyk)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:25:47 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Remove portal_workflow if using default_workflow_rev2?
In-Reply-To: <E15OyHO-0008Iv-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <001001c1143b$c4f06780$0100a8c0@dev1>

Is there any interaction/side effects between the original
portal_workflow (if left unconfigured) tool and default_workflow_rev2
(DCWorkflow)?

I've never been sure if I should be removing portal_workflow from a CMF
instance to allow proper operation of default_workflow_rev2. I can't
attribute any particular problems to it, but what's the official word?





From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 24 14:23:27 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:23:27 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Member Data Question
In-Reply-To: <F100xOjIL2jpWkfb81I00005b50@hotmail.com>; from jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 12:24:36PM +0000
References: <F100xOjIL2jpWkfb81I00005b50@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010724142326.B21379@lenin.jamkit.com>

Well, if you consider it a security risk for any user to be able to
see all the properties of any other user (e.g. a password, i.e. it is a
security risk :^), you should do something like getRoster does to
filter out sensitive information.

One way of doing this is to subclass the MembershipTool in order to
implement your own getRoster method.  Just extend the existing code.

Another way would probably be to implement it as a python method with
a local role, though I'm not the person to ask here because I tend
always to go for filesystem fixes.

seb

* Tim Fouracre <jhgfjhgfjhgfjhgf@hotmail.com> [010724 13:27]:
> >If you look at the roster form, you'll see that the properties
> >returned are attributes of the getRoster() method.  If you look at the
> >MembershipTool, you'll see that this method only returns a subset of
> >member data tool.
...
> Yay, I have it half working.
...
> I did some searching and found 
> http://cmf.zope.org/design/interfaces/tools/IF_portal_membership
> which seems to imply that there is no function that returns all members 
> details for a user with anonymous permissions, only one that returns their 
> home folder/url.


From andrew@digicool.com  Tue Jul 24 17:09:48 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:09:48 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF-CVS 23 July and Zope 2.4.0 Release  WooHoo!
References: <995966392.20568.6.camel@locutus.libc.org>
Message-ID: <001201c1145b$109d2c80$0100a8c0@enfer.netcasting.net>

I know the fix to this CMFCalendar bug, I will add it into the CVS this
morning.
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Anderson" <bill@libc.org>
To: "Zope CMF List" <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:19 AM
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF-CVS 23 July and Zope 2.4.0 Release WooHoo!


> OK, here is the deal, I figured I would give this combo a shot. So far,
> mostly good.
>
> Here is what I have had to do so far:
>
> CMFCalendar
> ===========
>   The install script is now broken. It is due to the change to
> PluggabelIndexes, it seems. In the new system, addIndex now requires you
> pass instead of the name of the index, an instance of the index.
>
> I patched it rather hastilly, more as a test than anything else. I
> submitted it (patch and all) to the CMF Tracker.
>
>
> So far, that's it. :)
>
> Oh, btw, I added a patch to the collector to make the default
> personalize_form page check for a logged in user. If the Anonymous role
> is detected, it raises Unauthorized. This 'fixes' an ugliness. Without
> this, if someone is not loggd in, and they try to view their prefernces
> page, they will get an attribute error, since the page tries to get
> attributes of AUTHENTICATED_USER that are not there for anonymous users.
> :)
>
> Well, off converting Site Designs to Skins .. should have some for
> posting in the near future (Say, any more skin contests coming up for a
> chance at the new "Zope Company" T-Shirts and misc.? ;^)= )
>
> Bill Anderson
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>



From tom.bech@adcore.no  Tue Jul 24 15:28:49 2001
From: tom.bech@adcore.no (Tom Bech)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:28:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] RE: ZEO-strangeness.
Message-ID: <714386B887D4D211952000805FB7FC2A01573A62@ID-PDC>

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> 
> Erik Enge wrote:
> > 
> > Data.fs contains a CMF-site.  On http://localhost everything is
> > working as one would expect, but on http://server stuff in the
> > portal_skins Filesystem Directory Views are "gone".  We know they're
> > there (since we can access them over http://localhost).  Urk?
> 
> I'm wondering if the CMF has been tested on a ZEO setup like this.
> 
> Do each of the clients have copies of the skins folders?
> 
> They probably need to, but this feels semantically odd :-S
> 
> I wonder what the DC'ers think...
> 
> Chris
>

Hi!

I believe I've found the problem:

In CMFCore/DirectoryView.py, in the __of__ method in the DiretoryView
class, the call to _dirreg.getDirectory() fails, so the content of the view
is never delivered and results in an "empty" skins folder. The reason
is that on win32 the path to the skins is on the \CMFDefault\skins\blah
variant while on unix it is /CMFDefault/skins/blah. So, depending on which
of the clients imported CMF first, it ends up as one or the other in
the database. Now, DirectoryView tries to do the right thing via os.path
stuff, but it uses the stored path-name directly as a lookup into the
_directories
dictionary in the DirectoryRegistry class (in getDirectoryInfo()),
which then will miss on one of the two clients. Doing a path.normpath() on
the
input path fixes the problem (or at least the symptoms :)

Patch (against CMF1.1) attached.

Tom

  


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@@ -292,7 +292,7 @@
 
     def getDirectoryInfo(self, filepath):
         # Can return None.
-        return self._directories.get(filepath, None)
+        return self._directories.get(path.normpath(filepath), None)
 
     def listDirectories(self):
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From marc@bowery.com  Tue Jul 24 16:43:36 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:43:36 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] what must I do to move CMF-Site from linux to
 windoze and back?
In-Reply-To: <20010724120443.B20585@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <B7830FE8.3113F%marc@bowery.com>


> From: seb bacon <seb@jamkit.com>
>
> quite sure what it is.  I think it's windows / unix line breaks
> messing stuff up.  Try converting everything in your skins to windows
> style line breaks and see if that works.  I *think* it did for me, but
> I didn't have the time to investigate further - so it could have been
> some other unseen voodoo.

....or perhaps an FTP client which does that translation... 



From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 24 17:23:27 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:23:27 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] what must I do to move CMF-Site from linux to windoze and back?
In-Reply-To: <B7830FE8.3113F%marc@bowery.com>; from marc@bowery.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:43:36AM -0400
References: <20010724120443.B20585@lenin.jamkit.com> <B7830FE8.3113F%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <20010724172326.F21599@lenin.jamkit.com>

Check out this mail from about an horu ago ;-)

  http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008689.ht

seb

* marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com> [010724 16:47]:
> 
> 
> > From: seb bacon <seb@jamkit.com>
> >
> > quite sure what it is.  I think it's windows / unix line breaks
> > messing stuff up.  Try converting everything in your skins to windows
> > style line breaks and see if that works.  I *think* it did for me, but
> > I didn't have the time to investigate further - so it could have been
> > some other unseen voodoo.
> 
> ....or perhaps an FTP client which does that translation... 


From tom.bech@adcore.no  Tue Jul 24 16:53:34 2001
From: tom.bech@adcore.no (Tom Bech)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:53:34 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] RE: ZEO-strangeness.
Message-ID: <714386B887D4D211952000805FB7FC2A01573A63@ID-PDC>

> 
> Hi!
> 
> I believe I've found the problem:
> 
> In CMFCore/DirectoryView.py, in the __of__ method in the DiretoryView
> class, the call to _dirreg.getDirectory() fails, so the 
> content of the view
> is never delivered and results in an "empty" skins folder. The reason
> is that on win32 the path to the skins is on the 
> \CMFDefault\skins\blah
> variant while on unix it is /CMFDefault/skins/blah. So, 
> depending on which
> of the clients imported CMF first, it ends up as one or the other in
> the database. Now, DirectoryView tries to do the right thing 
> via os.path
> stuff, but it uses the stored path-name directly as a lookup into the
> _directories
> dictionary in the DirectoryRegistry class (in getDirectoryInfo()),
> which then will miss on one of the two clients. Doing a 
> path.normpath() on
> the
> input path fixes the problem (or at least the symptoms :)
> 
> Patch (against CMF1.1) attached.
> 

(I know it's a bad habit replying to myself :)

*Argh* it turns out normpath() only converts forward slashes to backwards
on windows, and of course not vice-versa on unix - so it will still fail if
CMF was first imported on a windows-client.. :(

So, here's a new patch. It's still "hackish"; it will still
fail on Macs, for instance. The best solution would probably be
to not use paths directly as lookups at all..

Tom


From tom.bech@adcore.no  Tue Jul 24 16:55:11 2001
From: tom.bech@adcore.no (Tom Bech)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:55:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] RE: ZEO-strangeness.
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*sigh*

And the patch...
Sorry.

Tom
  


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--- DirectoryView.py.old	Tue Jul 24 14:21:00 2001
+++ DirectoryView.py	Tue Jul 24 15:46:42 2001
@@ -91,7 +91,7 @@
 import os
 from os import path, listdir, stat
 from Acquisition import aq_inner, aq_parent, aq_base
-from string import split, rfind, strip, join
+from string import split, rfind, strip, join, replace
 from App.Common import package_home
 from OFS.ObjectManager import bad_id
 from OFS.Folder import Folder
@@ -292,7 +292,12 @@
 
     def getDirectoryInfo(self, filepath):
         # Can return None.
-        return self._directories.get(filepath, None)
+        if os.name == "posix":
+          fp = replace(filepath,"\\","/")
+        else:
+          fp = path.normpath(filepath)
+
+        return self._directories.get(fp, None)
 
     def listDirectories(self):
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From robert@redcor.ch  Tue Jul 24 16:29:13 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:29:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] what must I do to move CMF-Site from linux to windoze and back?
References: <002301c11421$aa85b450$0a01a8c0@stravinsky> <20010724120443.B20585@lenin.jamkit.com> <000c01c1143b$936a5590$e0a4023e@karin> <20010724140004.A21379@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <002001c11462$104a9b80$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

It is not the absolute path, but the fact that directories are separated by
"/" and "\" resp.
Ajusting that eases the pain.

Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "seb bacon" <seb@jamkit.com>
To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
Cc: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] what must I do to move CMF-Site from linux to
windoze and back?


> Yes, that sounds like a likely culprit to me :-)  Someone else
> suggested this the other day.  I can't remember who though...
>
> seb
>
> * Robert Rottermann <robert@redcor.ch> [010724 13:22]:
> > Seb thanks for your answer.
> >
> > while explaining why your tip does not really help an idea did strike.
> > I assume that the skins do store an absolute path to the directories.
Which
> > of course are not the same on the two platforms.
> > I'll check into that.
> > Robert
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>



From andrew@digicool.com  Tue Jul 24 19:18:37 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:18:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF1.1 work with Zope 2.4.0?
In-Reply-To: <3B5C68E7.9DB9087F@x-ray.at>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOKEPNCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

The CMFCalendar product Install external method has been updated in the CVS.
We are unable to duplicate the problem described by Reini on a Zope2.4 and
CMF1.1 Instance.  Could this problem be something localized to your setup
Reini?  Is anyone else having a similar problem?
Thanks,
Andrew

> > Does CMF1.1 work with Zope 2.4.0?  If not, what's the ETA on a
> compatible
> > combination?
> > I haven't looked at CMF since it was PTK way back when.  I
> figure now might
> > be a good time to look into upgrading to Zope 2.4 and CMF.
> > Please reply to me at eric@walstads.net as I'm not subscribed to this
> > mailing list.
>
> works fine (ie. better) besides this:
>
>   File
> "/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.4.0/Products/CMFDefault/skins/content/meta
> data_edit.py",
> line 66
>     return action_method( context
> SyntaxError: 'return' outside function

>



From seb@jamkit.com  Tue Jul 24 20:43:01 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:43:01 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] declarative security bug?
Message-ID: <20010724204301.A1428@lenin.jamkit.com>

Hi,

I think I've found a security bug, but it might be something unique to
my setup.  However, I'm in a real mad dash this week so I haven't time
to check it in a vanilla install.

Why does this print "Manager"

    security.declareProtected(AddPortalContent, 'parper')
    def parper(self):
        'parp'
        print self.portal_membership.getAuthenticatedMember()

But this prints "Anonymous User"

    security.declarePublic('parper')
    def parper(self):
        'parp'
        print self.portal_membership.getAuthenticatedMember()

?

This is in a specialised Folder which subclasses PortalFolder, using
Zope 2.3.2 and CMF 1.1.

seb


From jens@digicool.com  Tue Jul 24 20:29:19 2001
From: jens@digicool.com (Jens Vagelpohl)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:29:19 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] declarative security bug?
In-Reply-To: <20010724204301.A1428@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <200107241929.PAA20137@ns2.digicool.com>

seb,

it's actually not a bug but intended behavior which we might re-think 
since quite a few people stumble over it and its side effects.

basically, if a method is declared "public" then the security machinery is 
circumvented (saving processing) and the user as it appears to the 
security machinery becomes "Anonymous" while this public method is running.

this is not a security bug or risk, it was put in to speed up processing 
for things that can be accessed by everyone, anyway.

if you rely in knowing the logged-in user in your public method you can 
trick the system into doing security the normal way by protecting the 
method with a permission that everyone including Anonymous users normally 
have, like "View".

so instead of

declarePublic( 'mymethod' )

you would say

declareProtected( 'View', 'mymethod' )

jens


On Tuesday, July 24, 2001, at 03:43 , seb bacon wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think I've found a security bug, but it might be something unique to
> my setup.  However, I'm in a real mad dash this week so I haven't time
> to check it in a vanilla install.
>
> Why does this print "Manager"
>
>     security.declareProtected(AddPortalContent, 'parper')
>     def parper(self):
>         'parp'
>         print self.portal_membership.getAuthenticatedMember()
>
> But this prints "Anonymous User"
>
>     security.declarePublic('parper')
>     def parper(self):
>         'parp'
>         print self.portal_membership.getAuthenticatedMember()
>
> ?
>
> This is in a specialised Folder which subclasses PortalFolder, using
> Zope 2.3.2 and CMF 1.1.
>
> seb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature 
> requests


From anderson@hp.com  Tue Jul 24 21:17:08 2001
From: anderson@hp.com (Bill Anderson)
Date: 24 Jul 2001 14:17:08 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] More CMF-CVS with Z2.4.0
Message-ID: <996005830.17030.11.camel@anderson>

OK, found something, dunno fo rsure if it is related to 2.4.0 for sure,
but ... maybe someone can confirm/deny, before I put it into the
tracker?

I am playing with Syndication ....
In the root of the CMF site, all works well.

However, in a Member's folder ....

 o I cannot DISable it, I get an att error: 
   Error Value: syndication_information

 o You have to be logged in to get the RSS.

Needless to say, these are problems that pretty much stop RSS from the
member folders.

Bill





From andrew@digicool.com  Tue Jul 24 21:17:47 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:17:47 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] More CMF-CVS with Z2.4.0
In-Reply-To: <996005830.17030.11.camel@anderson>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOAEPOCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

Yeah, I can duplicate this.
This is not a Zope 2.4 problem though, this is an acquisition issue.  We'll
see about addressing this.
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Bill Anderson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 4:17 PM
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] More CMF-CVS with Z2.4.0
>
>
>
> OK, found something, dunno fo rsure if it is related to 2.4.0 for sure,
> but ... maybe someone can confirm/deny, before I put it into the
> tracker?
>
> I am playing with Syndication ....
> In the root of the CMF site, all works well.
>
> However, in a Member's folder ....
>
>  o I cannot DISable it, I get an att error:
>    Error Value: syndication_information
>
>  o You have to be logged in to get the RSS.
>
> Needless to say, these are problems that pretty much stop RSS from the
> member folders.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From shane@digicool.com  Tue Jul 24 22:17:56 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:17:56 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] declarative security bug?
References: <20010724204301.A1428@lenin.jamkit.com> <200107241929.PAA20137@ns2.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B5DE604.F9BB4084@digicool.com>

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
> it's actually not a bug but intended behavior which we might re-think
> since quite a few people stumble over it and its side effects.

FYI We have taken the initiative and removed this quirk starting with
Zope 2.4.0.  It was an optimization so rarely used that it really did no
good (and got people confused!)

Shane

> Seb wrote:
> > I think I've found a security bug, but it might be something unique to
> > my setup.  However, I'm in a real mad dash this week so I haven't time
> > to check it in a vanilla install.
> >
> > Why does this print "Manager"
> >
> >     security.declareProtected(AddPortalContent, 'parper')
> >     def parper(self):
> >         'parp'
> >         print self.portal_membership.getAuthenticatedMember()
> >
> > But this prints "Anonymous User"
> >
> >     security.declarePublic('parper')
> >     def parper(self):
> >         'parp'
> >         print self.portal_membership.getAuthenticatedMember()
> >
> > ?


From anderson@hp.com  Tue Jul 24 22:43:15 2001
From: anderson@hp.com (Bill Anderson)
Date: 24 Jul 2001 15:43:15 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] More CMF-CVS with Z2.4.0
In-Reply-To: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOAEPOCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>
References: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOAEPOCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <996010997.30976.0.camel@anderson>

On 24 Jul 2001 16:17:47 -0400, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> Yeah, I can duplicate this.
> This is not a Zope 2.4 problem though, this is an acquisition issue.  We'll
> see about addressing this.
> Andrew

Thanks, I just managed to duplicate it on a clean install, and was about
to go looking into syndication code. :)

Do you need/want me to drop it in the tracker?




From antonio.meireles@epandemic.com  Wed Jul 25 00:50:49 2001
From: antonio.meireles@epandemic.com (antonio.meireles@epandemic.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:50:49 +0000
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
Message-ID: <3B5E09D9.1060508@epandemic.com>

Hi,

is CMFDecor beeing actively mantained ? when i try it on 2.3.3 it gives 
on startup :

------
2001-07-24T23:30:13 ERROR(200) Zope Couldn't import Products.CMFDecor
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /data/zopes/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/OFS/Application.py, 
line 528, in import_products
    (Object: string)
  File 
/data/zopes/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/CMFDecor/__init__.py, 
line 89, in ?
  File 
/data/zopes/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/CMFDecor/FSPageTemplate.py, 
line 101, in ?
ImportError: cannot import name FTPAccess
-------

Doesn't seem to work on 2.4 either :-(

I'm using the version fetched from CVS


Best regards and thanxs in advance


António



From tom.bech@adcore.no  Wed Jul 25 07:21:16 2001
From: tom.bech@adcore.no (Tom Bech)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:21:16 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] what must I do to move CMF-Site from linux to wind
 oze and back?
Message-ID: <714386B887D4D211952000805FB7FC2A01573A65@ID-PDC>

Rober Rottermann wrote:
> 
> It is not the absolute path, but the fact that directories 
> are separated by
> "/" and "\" resp.
> Ajusting that eases the pain.
> 
> Robert
> 

Indeed. In fact, this turned out to be the source of the problems we
had with our ZEO setup as well, see the "ZEO-strangeness" thread for a
patch.

Tom


From josh@pdxbands.com  Wed Jul 25 07:42:47 2001
From: josh@pdxbands.com (josh@pdxbands.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:42:47 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] change default site
In-Reply-To: <E15P4d3-0008Sy-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBIIOEBKPEKJMPEEHOGEOECNAA.josh@pdxbands.com>

Hello all,

	I'm trying to deploy a user configurable directory of bands.  I would like
to control the layout and allow the users to change the content.  I have
review Zope and it seems the CMF project would help me to this goal.  I
could then expand to other features as time permits.

	My question are the following:

How do I configure the default page and then what items on the page the user
can change?

	I found the reference to the default page in MembershipTool.py but going
through there to modify seemed wrong.  If there is an easy way to do this I
would like to know.  I would like to predefine the index_html for the user
but allow them to change the elements as they like.

Thanks for any help or suggestions.

Josh



From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul 25 09:46:18 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:46:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] change default site
In-Reply-To: <NDBBIIOEBKPEKJMPEEHOGEOECNAA.josh@pdxbands.com>; from josh@pdxbands.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:42:47PM -0700
References: <E15P4d3-0008Sy-00@mail.python.org> <NDBBIIOEBKPEKJMPEEHOGEOECNAA.josh@pdxbands.com>
Message-ID: <20010725094617.A3397@lenin.jamkit.com>

* josh@pdxbands.com <josh@pdxbands.com> [010725 07:46]:
> How do I configure the default page and then what items on the page the user
> can change?
> 
> 	I found the reference to the default page in MembershipTool.py but going
> through there to modify seemed wrong.  If there is an easy way to do this I
> would like to know.  I would like to predefine the index_html for the user
> but allow them to change the elements as they like.

No, you're right.  Unfortunately you'll have to tinker with the code.
Each member's home page is copied into their folder as per the code in
MembershipTool.  You'll not be wanting a Document anyway, if you need
their home page to be dynamic.   

Instead, you could make the home folder be a SkinnedFolder, then add a
view action to it which does its logic in dtml / python scripts.

If you don't know how to do that, here are some quick pointers: you
can add a SkinnedFolder in the same way that a Document is added in
MembershipTool (it would be something like
SkinnedFolder.addSkinnedFolder...).  Actions can be set via a tab on
the Types Tool, on a per Type basis.  Stick dtml methods corresponding
to these actions in a new skin folder in the Skins tool.  Use a
'memberfolder_view' action to iterate through the contents of the
member's folder and display them beautifully.  That's one one of
doing it, anyway.

seb


From khine@btinternet.com  Wed Jul 25 09:20:43 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:20:43 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflows what are they and how to use them
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOGEDBCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hello I am having real difficulty in understanding workflows and how they
are attached to a portal type.

>From the portal workflow tool, contents tab, I have the option to add
workflows, and thats simple ;^), BUT what determines what goes inside this
property, as in the default_workflow we have [ Simple Review / Publish
Policy ] where do we specify what the actions of Simple Review are?

I have reviewed the discussions on the mailing list, in perticular
http://zope.nipltd.com/public/lists/ptk-archive.nsf/Main/28AE46D5D5D34350802
56A3000516B7B?OpenDocument&mode=subject&topic=[Zope-CMF]PortalContentpermiss
ions, but am still unclear.

Any advice would be much appreciated

Regards

Norman

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From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul 25 10:30:48 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:30:48 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] declarative security bug?
In-Reply-To: <3B5DE604.F9BB4084@digicool.com>; from shane@digicool.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 05:17:56PM -0400
References: <20010724204301.A1428@lenin.jamkit.com> <200107241929.PAA20137@ns2.digicool.com> <3B5DE604.F9BB4084@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010725103047.B3397@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Shane Hathaway <shane@digicool.com> [010724 22:32]:
> Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
> > it's actually not a bug but intended behavior which we might re-think
> > since quite a few people stumble over it and its side effects.
> 
> FYI We have taken the initiative and removed this quirk starting with
> Zope 2.4.0.  It was an optimization so rarely used that it really did no
> good (and got people confused!)

That's good :-) There's legitimate reasons why you might want to access
the AuthenticatedUser in a declaredPublic method.  For example, I made 
invokeFactory public because I wanted to defer the decision about
what a user is allowed to add to the factories themselves.  

seb


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Wed Jul 25 11:32:15 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:32:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Action dependant on status
Message-ID: <01072512321502.01841@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I was wondering if the following is possible:
I have an action defined, but I only want this action to be availiable to the 
users if there object has been reviewed and accepted by a site admin.

Anyone now how to solve this ??

Regards,

-- 
Gitte Wange Jensen

Sys Admin, Developer and a lot more
MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
Email: gitte@mmmanager.org
Web: www.mmmanager.org

Quote of the day:
Never write a workflow system in DTML
	
	- Chris Petrelli, Zope tutorial at IPC8, 2000/01/24 (We tried this once, and 
boy was he was right)


From andrew@digicool.com  Wed Jul 25 15:28:34 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:28:34 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] More CMF-CVS with Z2.4.0
References: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOAEPOCAAA.andrew@digicool.com> <996010997.30976.0.camel@anderson>
Message-ID: <002c01c11516$16282cc0$0100a8c0@enfer.netcasting.net>

Bill,
Please do drop it in the tracker.

Thanks,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Anderson" <anderson@hp.com>
To: "Andrew Sawyers" <andrew@digicool.com>
Cc: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:43 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] More CMF-CVS with Z2.4.0


> On 24 Jul 2001 16:17:47 -0400, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> > Yeah, I can duplicate this.
> > This is not a Zope 2.4 problem though, this is an acquisition issue.
We'll
> > see about addressing this.
> > Andrew
>
> Thanks, I just managed to duplicate it on a clean install, and was about
> to go looking into syndication code. :)
>
> Do you need/want me to drop it in the tracker?
>
>
>



From jccooper@rice.edu  Wed Jul 25 14:27:14 2001
From: jccooper@rice.edu (J. Cameron Cooper)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:27:14 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflows what are they and how to use them
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOGEDBCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3B5EC932.5000306@rice.edu>

>
>
>Hello I am having real difficulty in understanding workflows and how they
>are attached to a portal type.
>
>>From the portal workflow tool, contents tab, I have the option to add
>workflows, and thats simple ;^), BUT what determines what goes inside this
>property, as in the default_workflow we have [ Simple Review / Publish
>Policy ] where do we specify what the actions of Simple Review are?
>
You don't. The default_workflow is so simple that there's nothing you 
can do about it through the web. It has hardcoded in the default private 
-> pending -> public workflow. If you want to change that, find another 
workflow or write one.

See the design docs on the cmf dogbowl for the workflow API.

If you don't want to write one, download the DCWorkflow, which allows 
through-the-web creation of arbitrary state machines. It's pretty slick.

        --jcc
    (slick? where?)



From jccooper@rice.edu  Wed Jul 25 15:20:45 2001
From: jccooper@rice.edu (J. Cameron Cooper)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:20:45 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflows what are they and how to use them
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOKEPDCLAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3B5ED5BD.2050605@rice.edu>

>
>
>Thanks for replying, one last question, DCWorkflow can integrate with CMF
>workflow?
>
Well, that sort of depends on what you mean. CMF allows drop-in 
workflows, defined as anything that implements the workflow tool 
interface. The default workflow is a very simple static implementation, 
and the DCWorkflow in a dynamic TTW-configurable one. So yes, DCWorkflow 
can integrate with the CMF workflow machinery: it is a CMF workflow just 
as much as the one that ships with the CMF. But no, you can't write a 
bit of workflow with DCWorkflow and stick it in the middle of the 
default workflow. Implmentations don't (necessarily) mix and match. 
Although you could duplicate the default functionality very quickly and 
then customize to suit.

        --jcc
    (semantic disconnect)



From augusto@artlover.com  Wed Jul 25 15:43:19 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:43:19 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to get the main parent from a discussion item?
Message-ID: <000501c11518$25ab5b70$850a000a@2ausumserver>

I'm trying to provide a link to the main parent (discussable documents,
news, etc ) within all the discussions items resulting from it, no matter
its nesting level.
I've been trying to get into the aboveinThread.py script and the
parentsInThread method trying to figure out a solution but I got stuck
again.
Would you please tell me what I'm doing wrong here?:

def the_parent(self)
        current = self
        while parent.meta_type=self.meta_type:
            parent = current.inReplyTo()
            current = parent
        return parent

What would it be the DTML way?

Thanks in advance,


Ausum








From tol@tanghus.dk  Wed Jul 25 15:58:17 2001
From: tol@tanghus.dk (Thomas Olsen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:58:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <3B5E09D9.1060508@epandemic.com>
References: <3B5E09D9.1060508@epandemic.com>
Message-ID: <200107251458.f6PEwJs10104@tangmate.tanghus.dk>

Hi

I grabbed the latest from CVS and it installed just fine but I have some 
troubles viewing news items; when I try to view and item I get this error:

Error Type: TALESError
 Error Value: exceptions.TypeError on too many arguments; expected 1, got 2 
in "<PythonExpr here.talkback.hasReplies(here)>"
 
I tried to remove the "here" argument but then I just got some other errors 
and I was kinda loosing my overview of what was happening ;-)

I hope CMFDecor is being maintained as I would prefer not to have too much 
DTML in my code...

On Wednesday 25 July 2001 01:50, antonio.meireles@epandemic.com wrote:
> is CMFDecor beeing actively mantained ? when i try it on 2.3.3 it gives
> on startup :
>
-- 
Regards,
	Thomas Olsen


From jccooper@rice.edu  Wed Jul 25 16:20:44 2001
From: jccooper@rice.edu (J. Cameron Cooper)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:20:44 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflows what are they and how to use them
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOAEPGCLAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3B5EE3CC.1010404@rice.edu>

>
>
>Thank you,  what is OpenFlow is this the replacement for DCWorkflow as on
>the main site I don't seem to be able to get any details for dc workflow
>apart from wiki pages.
>
OpenFlow is not a CMF workflow, but a more general one for arbitrary 
Zope objects. Perhaps they'll make it a CMF workflow in the future.

The DCWorkflow is available on cmf.zope.org. Search for DCWorkflow. That 
should give you the latest version and an example on JeffK's page.

>Also I don't know if you remember on a privious post regarding listing the
>properties of a document and saving it in an ascii file, I think it was you
>that suggested to create an dtml method and then write a python/external
>method to pull it to the system?
>
>Can you help me with some examples.
>
That's on its way on the regular list. Should get there before this.

            --jcc



From andrew@digicool.com  Wed Jul 25 16:21:59 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:21:59 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <200107251458.f6PEwJs10104@tangmate.tanghus.dk>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOIEPOCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

Yes, the CMFDecor has recently gone through a complete skin conversion.
What versions of Zope and CMF are you using?  I'm running on the latest
checkout's of Zope 2.3.3 and CMF without any problems.  Can you also provide
the full Traceback?
Thanks,
Andrew

> I grabbed the latest from CVS and it installed just fine but I have some
> troubles viewing news items; when I try to view and item I get this error:
>
> Error Type: TALESError
>  Error Value: exceptions.TypeError on too many arguments;
> expected 1, got 2
> in "<PythonExpr here.talkback.hasReplies(here)>"
>
> I tried to remove the "here" argument but then I just got some
> other errors
> and I was kinda loosing my overview of what was happening ;-)
>
> I hope CMFDecor is being maintained as I would prefer not to have
> too much
> DTML in my code...



From lists@net-labs.de  Wed Jul 25 16:48:28 2001
From: lists@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:48:28 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflows what are they and how to use them
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOAEPGCLAA.khine@btinternet.com> <3B5EE3CC.1010404@rice.edu>
Message-ID: <003701c11521$3fb81fe0$3300000a@work01>

> >
> OpenFlow is not a CMF workflow, but a more general one for arbitrary 
> Zope objects. Perhaps they'll make it a CMF workflow in the future.
> 

we are thinking about, how the concept of OpenFlow (wich has some very
interesting features in it -- or at least will ..) could fit into the CMF-Workflow
of today. OpenFlow is a Workflow-engine that doesn't depend on object's
states but it uses tokens to store the workflow-data and therefore it could 
be used for workflows where more than one Object is involved .. doing such
a thing with DC-Workflow would be possible but imho not clean and
maintainable ..

solong

Ulrich Eck
net-labs



From seb@jamkit.com  Wed Jul 25 17:53:49 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:53:49 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOIEPOCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>; from andrew@digicool.com on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 11:21:59AM -0400
References: <200107251458.f6PEwJs10104@tangmate.tanghus.dk> <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOIEPOCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010725175348.A4902@lenin.jamkit.com>

I'd love to start moving over to ZPT soon, but one problem is that
hitherto the Decor skins have not been synchronised with the DTML
skins.  Is there any kind of process for keeping them parallel?
Should we start recommending people submit both when they're creating
new skins?  Are you ZC folks moving over to them for your templates,
or when do you intend to do so?  So many questions ;-)

seb

* Andrew Sawyers <andrew@digicool.com> [010725 16:33]:
> Yes, the CMFDecor has recently gone through a complete skin conversion.
> What versions of Zope and CMF are you using?  I'm running on the latest
> checkout's of Zope 2.3.3 and CMF without any problems.  Can you also provide
> the full Traceback?
> Thanks,
> Andrew
> 
> > I grabbed the latest from CVS and it installed just fine but I have some
> > troubles viewing news items; when I try to view and item I get this error:
> >
> > Error Type: TALESError
> >  Error Value: exceptions.TypeError on too many arguments;
> > expected 1, got 2
> > in "<PythonExpr here.talkback.hasReplies(here)>"
> >
> > I tried to remove the "here" argument but then I just got some
> > other errors
> > and I was kinda loosing my overview of what was happening ;-)
> >
> > I hope CMFDecor is being maintained as I would prefer not to have
> > too much
> > DTML in my code...
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests

-- 

   [] j a m k i t 
           
        seb bacon
T:  020 7749 7218
F:  020 7739 8683
M:  07968 301 336
W: www.jamkit.com 


From jfranz@US.NET  Wed Jul 25 17:37:06 2001
From: jfranz@US.NET (Jon Franz)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:37:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] standard_error_message in the CMF
Message-ID: <63641C91EC424D47A0913FD91483D22D2E7384@usnet-ex02.USNET.CORP>

I can't seem to find where this is - It doesn't exist in any of the
skins folders (FS or TTW),
and yet it is different from the one that my CMF instance should be (if
it is) acquiring...

Any ideas?  - I need to make this pretty and user-friendly, but I want
to start with what is being used...


From marc@bowery.com  Wed Jul 25 18:13:12 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:13:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] standard_error_message in the CMF
In-Reply-To: <63641C91EC424D47A0913FD91483D22D2E7384@usnet-ex02.USNET.CORP>
Message-ID: <B7847667.312EC%marc@bowery.com>

That's the zope standard error file.  You could probably make a custom
version by putting one in one of the traversed skins folder, or in the CMF
root folder.

> From: "Jon Franz" <jfranz@US.NET>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:37:06 -0400
> To: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] standard_error_message in the CMF
> 
> I can't seem to find where this is - It doesn't exist in any of the
> skins folders (FS or TTW),
> and yet it is different from the one that my CMF instance should be (if
> it is) acquiring...
> 
> Any ideas?  - I need to make this pretty and user-friendly, but I want
> to start with what is being used...
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests



From G.Benn@ftel.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 18:32:06 2001
From: G.Benn@ftel.co.uk (Geoff Benn)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:32:06 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Removing LDAP from CMF site
Message-ID: <3B5F0296.C38C52C4@ftel.co.uk>

Hi,

Has anyone any ideas on how to remove LDAP from a CMF site ?

Thanks,
Geoff
--
Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd
Tel:  +44 (0)121 717 6441
Fax:  +44 (0)121 717 6018
E-mail: G.Benn@ftel.co.uk




From andrew@digicool.com  Wed Jul 25 18:45:28 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:45:28 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <20010725175348.A4902@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOMEPOCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

Okay, here is a update on what's happening at present with CMFDecor skins.
At the moment I am redoing the skin to be more 'user friendly' with a
slightly new look and feel.  Moving the actions around, fixing the
stylesheet (hoepfully), improving the document view, etc.
When it's done, you'll be able to load the main_template and do your layout
editing in something like Dreamweaver (what I'm using on this project) or
GoLive.  At present, using a powerful editing tool like these results in an
experience not too pleasant or useful for designers to start customizing
from.
Thus, there is going to be an entirely new skin for the ZPT based skins and
as a result they won't be developed in parallel to changes in the CMFDefault
skins.  In this new skin development task I'm going to end up adding support
for file system css files (as a FSDTMLMethod) so that everything loads as
expected from a local machine and translation through TAL works on a site as
expected.
This will make likely make custimation's easier.
Personally I am migrating to the camp Presentation belongs in ZPT and  logic
in Python Scripts or file system python modules.  I know there is still a
need for DTML (I just don't know what it is well enough to iterate it) and
thus would recommend to those who are planning on doing skins to go the ZPT
route versus trying to provide both.  This would be a lot of extra work, and
as you've pointed out makes changes required in two areas.
I think that you're going to see our sites all using the ZPT based skins
over the DTML based ones.  I know this is the case for Zope.com and
Zope.org.  Tres will make the final decision for the dogbowl, but I
anticipate this to be them to be there default there as well.
Hope this answers some of your questions and gives you a better planning
point for your skin decisions.
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: seb@lenin.jamkit.com [mailto:seb@lenin.jamkit.com]On Behalf Of seb
> bacon
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:54 PM
> To: Andrew Sawyers
> Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
>
>
> I'd love to start moving over to ZPT soon, but one problem is that
> hitherto the Decor skins have not been synchronised with the DTML
> skins.  Is there any kind of process for keeping them parallel?
> Should we start recommending people submit both when they're creating
> new skins?  Are you ZC folks moving over to them for your templates,
> or when do you intend to do so?  So many questions ;-)
>
> seb
>
> * Andrew Sawyers <andrew@digicool.com> [010725 16:33]:
> > Yes, the CMFDecor has recently gone through a complete skin conversion.
> > What versions of Zope and CMF are you using?  I'm running on the latest
> > checkout's of Zope 2.3.3 and CMF without any problems.  Can you
> also provide
> > the full Traceback?
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> >
> > > I grabbed the latest from CVS and it installed just fine but
> I have some
> > > troubles viewing news items; when I try to view and item I
> get this error:
> > >
> > > Error Type: TALESError
> > >  Error Value: exceptions.TypeError on too many arguments;
> > > expected 1, got 2
> > > in "<PythonExpr here.talkback.hasReplies(here)>"
> > >
> > > I tried to remove the "here" argument but then I just got some
> > > other errors
> > > and I was kinda loosing my overview of what was happening ;-)
> > >
> > > I hope CMFDecor is being maintained as I would prefer not to have
> > > too much
> > > DTML in my code...
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports
> and feature requests
>
> --
>
>    [] j a m k i t
>
>         seb bacon
> T:  020 7749 7218
> F:  020 7739 8683
> M:  07968 301 336
> W: www.jamkit.com
>



From anderson@hp.com  Wed Jul 25 19:15:00 2001
From: anderson@hp.com (Bill Anderson)
Date: 25 Jul 2001 12:15:00 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Bug(s) with CMF and ProxyPass?
Message-ID: <996084902.30976.21.camel@anderson>

Ok, so I am trying out proxypass, apache, and CMF w/SiteRoot.

I seem to have run into some issues.


Issue 1: CMFWiki wiki edit form action URL
------------------------------------------
I know CMFWIki is non-supported, but there is a bug in it, I think. THe
URL for the editform action seems to not work.

On my setup, I have a CMF at the root of a fresh Data.fs, and a folder
in there called DevelopmentWikis. Under there, lies a set of wikis,
FunctionalityWiki and AppearanceWiki. This is mapped through
proxypass/siteroot to http://hostname/wyrmforge/

If I go to edit the FrontPage of either of these, I get the editform
fine, but when I click change, I get a 404. The action URL is
/DevelopmentWikis/.... completely ignoring the portal url. I managed to
work around it by customizing the editform to have it prepend portal_url
to it. 

Then I had to edit the editform_handler to redirect to the right place,
using the same basic technique (though in python by concatenating the
two together, of course).

This exact same wiki setup (ndeed the very same Data.fs and wikis) was
working fine prior to proxypass use. 

Issue 2: Reply to member's index_html
-------------------------------------

Here, I have a very similiar problem. IF I am replying at top level (as
in a first reply) to my index_html (in my Members/Bill page), and click
preview, it returns a site error, unable to find:

DiscussionItemContainer instance at 8b7ada0

I hvae yet to look into this one further. I, likewise, 
have not tried it w/o proxypass, as I just stumbled across it.

It works fine I hit submit w/o preview, or if I am at a level below the
first; as in a reply to a reply.

I'll try to collect all these and get them ready for the tracker
sometime today.

Cheers,


--
Bill Anderson
HP Modular Network Storage




From shane@digicool.com  Wed Jul 25 19:23:39 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:23:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflows what are they and how to use them
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOAEPGCLAA.khine@btinternet.com> <3B5EE3CC.1010404@rice.edu> <003701c11521$3fb81fe0$3300000a@work01>
Message-ID: <3B5F0EAB.1AD02C09@digicool.com>

Ulrich Eck wrote:
> 
> > >
> > OpenFlow is not a CMF workflow, but a more general one for arbitrary
> > Zope objects. Perhaps they'll make it a CMF workflow in the future.
> >
> 
> we are thinking about, how the concept of OpenFlow (wich has some very
> interesting features in it -- or at least will ..) could fit into the CMF-Workflow
> of today. OpenFlow is a Workflow-engine that doesn't depend on object's
> states but it uses tokens to store the workflow-data and therefore it could
> be used for workflows where more than one Object is involved .. doing such
> a thing with DC-Workflow would be possible but imho not clean and
> maintainable ..

Sometime I'm going to take the time to figure out OpenFlow, because the
above statement seems completely backward to me.  Maintaining tokens as
opposed to states seems unmaintainable.  We shall see. :-)

Shane


From jfranz@US.NET  Wed Jul 25 19:24:18 2001
From: jfranz@US.NET (Jon Franz)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:24:18 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] standard_error_message in the CMF
Message-ID: <63641C91EC424D47A0913FD91483D22D2E7386@usnet-ex02.USNET.CORP>

Shouldn't the standard_error_message in the root of my Zope instance be
the 'standard' message?  Why doesn't the CMF acquire this?
The main differences are how the traceback is shown and that one (in my
root) says 'Zope Error' - meanwhile the error the CMF throws says 'Site
Error'

-----Original Message-----
From: marc lindahl [mailto:marc@bowery.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 1:13 PM
To: Jon Franz; zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] standard_error_message in the CMF


That's the zope standard error file.  You could probably make a custom
version by putting one in one of the traversed skins folder, or in the
CMF
root folder.

> From: "Jon Franz" <jfranz@US.NET>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:37:06 -0400
> To: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] standard_error_message in the CMF
>=20
> I can't seem to find where this is - It doesn't exist in any of the
> skins folders (FS or TTW),
> and yet it is different from the one that my CMF instance should be
(if
> it is) acquiring...
>=20
> Any ideas?  - I need to make this pretty and user-friendly, but I want
> to start with what is being used...
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>=20
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
feature
> requests



From augusto@artlover.com  Wed Jul 25 19:39:40 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:39:40 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to get the main parent from a discussion item?
Message-ID: <001301c11539$2a069c40$850a000a@2ausumserver>

This is a workaround (any help is still appreciated):

    def the_parent( self, REQUEST=None ):
        current = self
        parent = self
        while parent.meta_type==self.meta_type:
            parent = current.inReplyTo()
            current = parent
        return current

To call its metadata:

<dtml-with the_parent>
   <dtml-var title>
  <dtml-var absolute_url>
  ......
</dtml-with>



Ausum



Ausum wrote:
>
> I'm trying to provide a link to the main parent (discussable documents,
> news, etc ) within all the discussions items resulting from it, no matter
> its nesting level.
> I've been trying to get into the aboveinThread.py script and the
> parentsInThread method trying to figure out a solution but I got stuck
> again.
> Would you please tell me what I'm doing wrong here?:
>
> def the_parent(self)
>         current = self
>         while parent.meta_type=self.meta_type:
>             parent = current.inReplyTo()
>             current = parent
>         return parent
>
> What would it be the DTML way?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ausum
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests




From marc@bowery.com  Wed Jul 25 20:50:33 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:50:33 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] standard_error_message in the CMF
In-Reply-To: <63641C91EC424D47A0913FD91483D22D2E7386@usnet-ex02.USNET.CORP>
Message-ID: <B7849B49.31322%marc@bowery.com>

Seems you ran into the hard-coded zope error page that is used when a python
exception is thrown...  there was a thread about this (I think on the main
Zope list) a couple weeks ago.

> From: "Jon Franz" <jfranz@US.NET>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:24:18 -0400
> To: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] standard_error_message in the CMF
> 
> Shouldn't the standard_error_message in the root of my Zope instance be
> the 'standard' message?  Why doesn't the CMF acquire this?
> The main differences are how the traceback is shown and that one (in my
> root) says 'Zope Error' - meanwhile the error the CMF throws says 'Site
> Error'



From marc@bowery.com  Wed Jul 25 20:52:19 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:52:19 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOMEPOCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <B7849BB3.31323%marc@bowery.com>

Any idea of the timeframe for this?

> From: "Andrew Sawyers" <andrew@digicool.com>
>
> Hope this answers some of your questions and gives you a better planning
> point for your skin decisions.



From andrew@digicool.com  Wed Jul 25 20:51:49 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:51:49 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <B7849BB3.31323%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOAEPPCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>

I'm working on it right now; most likely will go into CVS tomorrow.  I'm not
putting files and changes up until it's complete
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of marc lindahl
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:52 PM
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
>
>
> Any idea of the timeframe for this?
>
> > From: "Andrew Sawyers" <andrew@digicool.com>
> >
> > Hope this answers some of your questions and gives you a better planning
> > point for your skin decisions.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From tol@tanghus.dk  Wed Jul 25 21:00:49 2001
From: tol@tanghus.dk (Thomas Olsen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:00:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOIEPOCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>
References: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOIEPOCAAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <200107252000.f6PK0os10385@tangmate.tanghus.dk>

Hi 

On Wednesday 25 July 2001 17:21, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> Yes, the CMFDecor has recently gone through a complete skin conversion.
> What versions of Zope and CMF are you using?  I'm running on the latest
> checkout's of Zope 2.3.3 and CMF without any problems.  Can you also
> provide the full Traceback?
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>

My setup is:

Zope Version: Zope 2.3.3 (binary release, python 1.5.2, linux2-x86) 
Python Version: 1.5.2 (#1, Jul 6 2001, 12:51:22) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] 
ZPT-1.3.2
CMF-1.1 (Downloaded as final release but announces itself as 1.1beta?)

Maybe I should get the latest from CVS?

Traceback:
Error Type: TALESError
 Error Value: exceptions.TypeError on too many arguments; expected 1, got 2 
in "<PythonExpr here.talkback.hasReplies(here)>"
 

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, 
line 223, in publish_module
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, 
line 187, in publish
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 
221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, 
line 171, in publish
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, 
line 160, in mapply
    (Object: DynamicType)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, 
line 112, in call_object
    (Object: DynamicType)
  File /home/httpd/zope/zope0/Products/CMFCore/PortalContent.py, line 238, in 
__call__
    (Object: DynamicType)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, 
line 324, in __call__
    (Object: newsitem_view)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, 
line 354, in _bindAndExec
    (Object: newsitem_view)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/ZopePageTemplate.py, 
line 271, in _exec
    (Object: newsitem_view)
  File /home/httpd/zope/zope0/Products/CMFDecor/FSPageTemplate.py, line 162, 
in pt_render
    (Object: newsitem_view)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/PageTemplate.py, 
line 156, in pt_render
    (Object: newsitem_view)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, 
line 232, in __call__
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, 
line 265, in interpret
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, 
line 591, in do_useMacro
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, 
line 265, in interpret
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, 
line 614, in do_defineSlot
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, 
line 265, in interpret
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, 
line 561, in do_condition
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/TALES.py, 
line 298, in evaluateBoolean
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/TALES.py, 
line 283, in evaluate
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/Expressions.py, 
line 213, in __call__
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/Expressions.py, 
line 210, in _eval
    (Info: here)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/Expressions.py, 
line 140, in render
    (Object: viewThreadsAtBottom)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/ZPythonExpr.py, 
line 136, in call_with_ns
    (Object: __render_with_namespace__)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, 
line 338, in __render_with_namespace__
    (Object: viewThreadsAtBottom)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, 
line 354, in _bindAndExec
    (Object: viewThreadsAtBottom)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/ZopePageTemplate.py, 
line 271, in _exec
    (Object: viewThreadsAtBottom)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/PageTemplate.py, 
line 156, in pt_render
    (Object: viewThreadsAtBottom)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, 
line 232, in __call__
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, 
line 265, in interpret
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, 
line 562, in do_condition
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, 
line 265, in interpret
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, 
line 561, in do_condition
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/TALES.py, 
line 298, in evaluateBoolean
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/TALES.py, 
line 283, in evaluate
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1b3-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/PythonExpr.py, 
line 136, in __call__
    (Info: here.talkback.hasReplies(here))
  File &lt;string&gt;, line 2, in &lt;function&gt;
    (Object: &lt;lambda&gt;)
TALESError: (see above)

-- 
Regards,
	Thomas Olsen


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 23:09:07 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:09:07 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHCECNCDAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

> Personally I am migrating to the camp Presentation belongs in ZPT and
logic
> in Python Scripts or file system python modules.  I know there is still a
> need for DTML (I just don't know what it is well enough to iterate it) and
> thus would recommend to those who are planning on doing skins to go the
ZPT
> route versus trying to provide both.

A couple of questions (both of which may cause rocks to be thrown at me! :-)

1. Please, please, please reassure us that DTML skins will still be
supported/updated, even if they're only basic ones and the "pretty stuff" is
done with ZPT!

2. Has anyone experimented with MS Frontpage (as opposed to Dreamweaver or
GoLive) for this kinda editing-with-ZPT? MS Office is pretty much
standard-issue in our market, so lots of users have Frontpage... and some
have even used it! :-)

Cheers, Jon



From slinkp23@yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 01:37:05 2001
From: slinkp23@yahoo.com (Paul Winkler)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:37:05 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF - not in your face?
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com><006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com> <3B56A57C.4A15CD32@nipltd.com> <995595560.911.7.camel@locutus.libc.org> <001a01c1111c$a6c465d0$c7010a0a@mcgeough> <3B583A98.9050902@rice.edu>
Message-ID: <3B5F6631.18E615F8@yahoo.com>

"J. Cameron Cooper" wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >How much of CMF can be hidden? All of it?
> >
> Yep. Just go and delete all the skins. Hides it pretty effectively.
> 
> Sorry. Not very constructive, I know, but so wide open.

Alternatively, create a skin that just doesn't show anything you don't want.
I'm currently doing exactly that for a project I'm working on. It's nice.

-- 
...................    paul winkler   ....................
custom calendars & printing: http://www.calendargalaxy.com
       A member of ARMS:   http://www.reacharms.com
            home page:  http://www.slinkp.com


From marc@bowery.com  Thu Jul 26 02:02:41 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:02:41 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
Message-ID: <B784E471.3138C%marc@bowery.com>

I noticed that the the usernames are case sensitive... isnt' that a net
no-no?




From jfranz@US.NET  Thu Jul 26 02:13:55 2001
From: jfranz@US.NET (Jon Franz)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:13:55 -0400
Subject: Re Re: [Zope-CMF] standard_error_message in the CMF
Message-ID: <63641C91EC424D47A0913FD91483D22D21452F@usnet-ex02.USNET.CORP>

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b24gZXJyb3INCm1lc3NhZ2UsIGV2ZW4gd2hlbiB0aGUgZXJyb3IgaXMgYSBzaW1wbGUgNDA0IChu
b3QgZm91bmQpIGVycm9yISAgSSBoYXZlDQphIERUTUwgbWV0aG9kIGluIHRoZSBza2lucy9jdXN0
b20gZm9sZGVyIGZvciBfbXlfDQpzdGFuZGFyZF9lcnJvcl9tZXNzYWdlLCBidXQgaXQgbmV2ZXIg
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b3cgdGhlIHB5dGhvbiAnU2l0ZSBFcnJvcicgcGFnZT8gIA0K


From khine@btinternet.com  Thu Jul 26 09:11:31 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:11:31 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] PROBLEM(100) Script (Python) Object "dateMunger" needs to be recompiled.
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEDOCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>

I have an error which is as follows:

2001-07-26T07:55:36 PROBLEM(100) Script (Python) Object "dateMunger" needs
to be recompiled.


this happened after I upgraded to 2.4.0 and am running the yesterdays' csv
checkout for the cmf.

Do I need to reinstall this?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zz/********/z/****\zzz|****\*\zz|*******|z
z/^^^^^^^^/z/******\zz|*^^^^|*|z|*|^^^^^|z norman khine
zzzzzz/**/z|**/^^\**|z|*|zzz|*|z|*|zzzzzzz mailto:norman@khine.net
zzzzz/**/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|****/*/zz|*****|zzz purley
z/******/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|*|^^zzzzz|*|^^^|zzz UK
zzZ/**/zzzz|**\^^/**|z|*|zzzzzzz|*|zzzzzzz
zz/******/zz\******/zz|*|zzzzzzz|*|*****|z
z/^^^^^^/zzzz\^^^^/zzz|^|zzzzzzz|^^^^^^^|z
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz




From tseaver@digicool.com  Thu Jul 26 07:10:25 2001
From: tseaver@digicool.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:10:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: From a zope newbee
In-Reply-To: <30CC69576466D5119EDA00A0C91A31F80DA600@BOND>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107260208300.1310-100000@localhost>

On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Glenn Flandorfer wrote:

> I am a zope cmf -newbee.
> On my work we have win2k, sql2000, winzip and so on.
> I have trouble with tarballs.
> Do you now a way to convert to tarballs to zip. format, or a unzipper that
> can manage this?

WinZip handles tarballs fine for me;  what version of it are you
using?  Some older versions may need to have the file renamed
("ren CMF-1.1.tar.gz CMF-1.1.tgz").

Tres.
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Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From yokemay@apdip.net  Thu Jul 26 09:33:18 2001
From: yokemay@apdip.net (Yoke May Seow)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:33:18 +0800
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Create search for folders
In-Reply-To: <20010719205108.90739.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c115ad$a07481c0$175ebbca@apdip.net>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Madrid [mailto:aemadrid@yahoo.com]

> --- Yoke May Seow <yokemay@apdip.net> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Here's part of the code on the customised
> > search_form:
> > 
> > <select name="folder_name" multiple size="5">
> >     <option>A</option>
> >     <option>B</option>
> > </select>
> > 
> > I've created the property, 'folder_name', on the
> > folders.  On the Portal
> > Catalog, I created a Field Index on the Indexes and
> > Metadata tab.
> 
> Are these normal folders (not portal folders)? Check
> to see if these folders are even in the catalog. I'm
> not sure if the portal_catalog does the normal
> folders.
===> yes, all the folders are Portal Folders

 
> > On the Advanced search, I entered a text on the Full
> > text field and selected
> > option A. The search results found 0 items.
> 
> If the folders are in the catalog then you need to: 
> * Know that full text search gets the information from
> SearchableText which in turn is a method that usually
> includes title, description and text
> (documents,news,etc.) 
> * Two options:
>   - Change/create the SearchableText method to include
> your property for the folder.
===> Where is the SearchableText method located? 


>   - Search for folder folder_name=='A'
===> I searched for Folder A and no results found. 

Regards,
SEOW Yoke May 
Webmaster @ www.apdip.net
Email: yokemay@apdip.net
Tel: +603-2559122 ext. 2206
Fax: +603-2539740 
Mobile: +6016-2837395
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From lists@net-labs.de  Thu Jul 26 10:06:50 2001
From: lists@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:06:50 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflows what are they and how to use them
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOAEPGCLAA.khine@btinternet.com> <3B5EE3CC.1010404@rice.edu> <003701c11521$3fb81fe0$3300000a@work01> <3B5F0EAB.1AD02C09@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <003601c115b2$4e3ae890$3300000a@work01>

Hi Shane,

> > 
> > we are thinking about, how the concept of OpenFlow (wich has some very
> > interesting features in it -- or at least will ..) could fit into the CMF-Workflow
> > of today. OpenFlow is a Workflow-engine that doesn't depend on object's
> > states but it uses tokens to store the workflow-data and therefore it could
> > be used for workflows where more than one Object is involved .. doing such
> > a thing with DC-Workflow would be possible but imho not clean and
> > maintainable ..
> 
> Sometime I'm going to take the time to figure out OpenFlow, because the
> above statement seems completely backward to me.  Maintaining tokens as
> opposed to states seems unmaintainable.  We shall see. :-)
> 

I still cannot really figure out how to let one object be part of different workflows.
The only way I could figure out would be, to create new objects with new work-
flows that control/depend on other's object workflows .. but that would mean, that
I need to create content-like objects that are only there to enable another workflow
.. this is basically the same than using a token .. but a token would'nt be stored
in the Content-tree but in a tool which is more preferreable I think.

I still have now idea how to integrate, but like i suggested several times it might
be possible to build another tool (e.g. portal_tasks or activities .. or groupwork)
that reflects the companies processes not the one's that are bound to one object.
the tokens wil be stored in a container-tab for each process that is a btree so 
they're maintainable.
the actions tool needs to be extended to have actions for the processes as well.

the main problem i have is, that the CMF-Workflow is tightly integrated in the 
PortalContent-Objects .. the activity-based workflow cannot .. there must
be another way to offer the activities to the user .. but how :-)
another problem is .. how to define activities that use portal-content-objects 
and howto specify that .. 

looking forward for your comments

Ulrich Eck



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 26 10:12:05 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:12:05 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: From a zope newbee
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107260208300.1310-100000@localhost>
Message-ID: <3B5FDEE5.744A9479@nipltd.com>

Tres Seaver wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Glenn Flandorfer wrote:
> 
> WinZip handles tarballs fine for me;  what version of it are you
> using?  Some older versions may need to have the file renamed
> ("ren CMF-1.1.tar.gz CMF-1.1.tgz").

Glenn undoubtably has trouble with IE, not WinZip

IE is crap. It renames .tar.gz files to .tar. I wonder if that was a deliverate
ploy by M$?

grrrr,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 26 10:22:46 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:22:46 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Removing LDAP from CMF site
References: <3B5F0296.C38C52C4@ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3B5FE166.2B183C3C@nipltd.com>

Geoff Benn wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone any ideas on how to remove LDAP from a CMF site ?

Huh?

CMF doesn't use LDAP...

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 26 10:23:19 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:23:19 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
References: <B784E471.3138C%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <3B5FE187.6ED21AAB@nipltd.com>

marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> I noticed that the the usernames are case sensitive... isnt' that a net
> no-no?

No, it isn't, the same ahs always been true of Zope.

cheers,

Chris


From bill@immosys.com  Thu Jul 26 10:19:43 2001
From: bill@immosys.com (Bill Anderson)
Date: 26 Jul 2001 03:19:43 -0600
Subject: [Zope-CMF] PROBLEM(100) Script (Python) Object "dateMunger"
 needs to be recompiled.
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEDOCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEDOCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <996139223.23819.13.camel@locutus.libc.org>

On 26 Jul 2001 09:11:31 +0100, Norman Khine wrote:
> I have an error which is as follows:
> 
> 2001-07-26T07:55:36 PROBLEM(100) Script (Python) Object "dateMunger" needs
> to be recompiled.
> 
> 
> this happened after I upgraded to 2.4.0 and am running the yesterdays' csv
> checkout for the cmf.
> 
> Do I need to reinstall this?

I posted htis a day or so ago (TZ depending). 
So far, you can go to the method's edi tscreen and click save to make it go away for 
that script, but I have yet to find a method of forcing them all to do it, short
of manually finding and resaving ALL of them. :(

Bill




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu Jul 26 10:26:32 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:26:32 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Action dependant on status
References: <01072512321502.01841@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <3B5FE248.40C9F331@nipltd.com>

Gitte Wange wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I was wondering if the following is possible:
> I have an action defined, but I only want this action to be availiable to the
> users if there object has been reviewed and accepted by a site admin.

Sounds like something for the DCWorkflow tool.

cheers,

Chris


From sedat@kibele.com  Thu Jul 26 11:05:43 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (Sedat Yilmazer)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:05:43 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] folder_contents listing
Message-ID: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C512@kibele.localnet.net>


=20
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an icon (folder or doc type) and the id/title. I propose to replace one =
of the links to download the content so that if  I want to open the doc. =
I can clik on the document icon or if I want to see the document details =
I can click the id/title

 Regards



From sedat@kibele.com  Thu Jul 26 11:20:15 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (Sedat Yilmazer)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:20:15 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Workflows
Message-ID: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C513@kibele.localnet.net>

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From R.Barrett@ftel.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 11:59:01 2001
From: R.Barrett@ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:59:01 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Bug(s) with CMF and ProxyPass?
In-Reply-To: <996084902.30976.21.camel@anderson>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010726114736.02dabca8@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 12:15 25/07/2001 -0600, Bill Anderson <anderson@hp.com> wrote:

>Ok, so I am trying out proxypass, apache, and CMF w/SiteRoot.
>
>I seem to have run into some issues.


you will find two lines in CMFWikiPage.py that read as follows:

line 1156:        return '/' + self.absolute_url(relative=1)
...
line 1161:        return '/' + self._my_folder().absolute_url(relative=1)

I believe your problem arises because of the "relative=1" which appears to 
suppress the effect of the SiteRoot/Virtual Host Monster or whatever when 
the URL is generated.

The non-CMF wiki software installed from ZWiki.tgz (which I guess is what 
CMFWiki was derived from) has the same problem and I changed the code to 
remove the "relative=1" and this seems to have fixed the problem.

I have no idea why the author relativized the url in these cases and the 
change doesn't seem to have any deleterious effects.

If you change these lines as follows I think you will find ProxyPass with 
SiteRoot will (probably) operate correctly with CMFWiki.

line 1156:        return '/' + self.absolute_url()
...
line 1161:        return '/' + self._my_folder().absolute_url()



From R.Barrett@ftel.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 12:19:35 2001
From: R.Barrett@ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:19:35 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Bug(s) with CMF and ProxyPass?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010726121730.037f3350@pop.ftel.co.uk>

Sorry but there was an error in my response when I sent it the first time. 
The corrected lines should read:

line 1156:        return self.absolute_url()
...
line 1161:        return self._my_folder().absolute_url()

I originally said:

At 12:15 25/07/2001 -0600, Bill Anderson <anderson@hp.com> wrote:

>Ok, so I am trying out proxypass, apache, and CMF w/SiteRoot.
>
>I seem to have run into some issues.


you will find two lines in CMFWikiPage.py that read as follows:

line 1156:        return '/' + self.absolute_url(relative=1)
...
line 1161:        return '/' + self._my_folder().absolute_url(relative=1)

I believe your problem arises because of the "relative=1" which appears to 
suppress the effect of the SiteRoot/Virtual Host Monster or whatever when 
the URL is generated.

The non-CMF wiki software installed from ZWiki.tgz (which I guess is what 
CMFWiki was derived from) has the same problem and I changed the code to 
remove the "relative=1" and this seems to have fixed the problem.

I have no idea why the author relativized the url in these cases and the 
change doesn't seem to have any deleterious effects.

If you change these lines as follows I think you will find ProxyPass with 
SiteRoot will (probably) operate correctly with CMFWiki.

line 1156:        return '/' + self.absolute_url()
...
line 1161:        return '/' + self._my_folder().absolute_url()




From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 12:28:27 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:28:27 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: From a zope newbee
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHEECPCDAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

>> WinZip handles tarballs fine for me;  what version of it are you
>> using?  Some older versions may need to have the file renamed
>> ("ren CMF-1.1.tar.gz CMF-1.1.tgz").

> Glenn undoubtably has trouble with IE, not WinZip

> IE is crap. It renames .tar.gz files to .tar. I wonder if that was a
deliverate
> ploy by M$?

I've had this problem a few times. Renaming usually fixes, but newer
versions of Windows make it hard-as-hell to rename, by hiding the extensions
from you!

Try WinRAR (another zip-type program). Can't find the site I downloaded from
at the moment, but Google will help! There's a "free evaluation"
time-limited version, but mine has gone way past its expiry date and is
still working fine :-)

Cheers, Jon



From paul@digicool.com  Thu Jul 26 12:55:16 2001
From: paul@digicool.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:55:16 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF - not in your face?
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com><006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com> <3B56A57C.4A15CD32@nipltd.com> <995595560.911.7.camel@locutus.libc.org> <001a01c1111c$a6c465d0$c7010a0a@mcgeough>
Message-ID: <3B600524.8080504@digicool.com>

Here's a different suggestion.  You're on the right track with the 
actions_box.  But instead of hacking it there, hack 
standard_html_header.  Put a <dtml-if> around the table cell that has 
the actions_box.  If you're anonymous, don't even *call* the 
actions_box.  (In this case, you'd do a <dtml-else>, I suppose, to say 
"if you're *not* anonymous, put in the actions_box".)

--Paul

Frank McGeough wrote:
> How much of CMF can be hidden? All of it?
> 
> Most sites are divided up into the large number of people who use the site
> by browsing/searching; and the (relatively) small number of people who
> actually contribute content. Why is CMF setup so that all the CMF stuff is
> visible to every user? How would you go about hiding CMF from those large
> number of people. That is, no indication for the casual user of the web site
> that CMF is being used at all? If I had a URL that a contributor would have
> to go to login and then alter the actions_box DTML method would that do it?
> 
> The key is the actions_box stuff and I'm having trouble figuring out how to
> manipulate the code in there since it's doing mystery stuff like :
> 
> <dtml-in user_actions mapping>
> <a href="&dtml-url;"><dtml-var name></a>&nbsp; | &nbsp;
> </dtml-in>
> 
> hey! where's the for loop :-) If I could figure out more about DTML I might
> be able to at least understand why I can or can't do what I want. Is it
> correct that the zope creators are moving away from this DTML syntax and
> toward Python (which I can read). Thanks for any clues for the clueless.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests
> 





From norman@bmpublications.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 13:11:46 2001
From: norman@bmpublications.co.uk (Norman Khine)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:11:46 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to disable Created by:xxxxx  link if Member is not listed
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOOEAECMAA.norman@bmpublications.co.uk>

Hi,
Is there a way in which to suppress the error message that shows up when a
user is unauthorised to view a content. My problem here is that if a member
is not-listed, their link still has a href= which leads to a login box, what
I want is to be able to show the username for the content provider, BUT if
this user has decided not to be listed, the link to their home page should
be disabled.

The same is happening on the cmf.zope.org site, see example

http://cmf.zope.org/Members/runyaga/cmfemployment_001 and if you try to link
to runyaga's home page you are unauthorized.

Obviously, he is not listed ;^)

So perhaps a link to say this user is not listed, or maybe to disable the
link, but how?

Cheers

Norman





From andrew@digicool.com  Thu Jul 26 16:19:30 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:19:30 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHCECNCDAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002001c115e6$5e5dee00$0100a8c0@enfer.netcasting.net>

Rest assured that support for the DTML based skins won't go away; just my
new look and feel changes are only going in ZPT.  Just consider it an
additional skin.  Bugs I've found will be fixed in the DTML stylesheet as
well.
I've heard we have problems with inegrating very well with FrontPage.  I
forget exactly why, but it has to do with some files it creates outside of
your html files.  If I had it, I would try it out to give a little better
input; anyone up for this?
A final note, I jumped the gun a little bit yesterday about what I had hoped
for the filesystem based ZPT and GUI editors.  It's definately better then
the current CVS checkout, but I had forgotten there will be problems working
off the filesystem with unexpanded macros.  Working through webdav will get
macros expanded; unfortunately other problems will arise.  We're still
working this out....so it's not going to be quite as nice as I predictd at
this point.
Andrew

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Edwards" <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Zope-Cmf" <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Cc: <andrew@digicool.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:09 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles


> > Personally I am migrating to the camp Presentation belongs in ZPT and
> logic
> > in Python Scripts or file system python modules.  I know there is still
a
> > need for DTML (I just don't know what it is well enough to iterate it)
and
> > thus would recommend to those who are planning on doing skins to go the
> ZPT
> > route versus trying to provide both.
>
> A couple of questions (both of which may cause rocks to be thrown at me!
:-)
>
> 1. Please, please, please reassure us that DTML skins will still be
> supported/updated, even if they're only basic ones and the "pretty stuff"
is
> done with ZPT!
>
> 2. Has anyone experimented with MS Frontpage (as opposed to Dreamweaver or
> GoLive) for this kinda editing-with-ZPT? MS Office is pretty much
> standard-issue in our market, so lots of users have Frontpage... and some
> have even used it! :-)
>
> Cheers, Jon
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>



From andrew@digicool.com  Thu Jul 26 16:25:53 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:25:53 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: From a zope newbee
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107260208300.1310-100000@localhost> <3B5FDEE5.744A9479@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <003301c115e7$429404b0$0100a8c0@enfer.netcasting.net>

Hmmm, I've seen this in the past; but don't recall seeing it recently.
Maybe it's different in the IE 6 release that I'm using.
I doubt we need browser wars started, the key is knowing the 'bug' and that
you need to rename files downloaded which are saved without the full
extensions properly.
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: "Tres Seaver" <tseaver@digicool.com>
Cc: "Glenn Flandorfer" <glenn.flandorfer@na.of.no>; <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: From a zope newbee


> Tres Seaver wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Glenn Flandorfer wrote:
> >
> > WinZip handles tarballs fine for me;  what version of it are you
> > using?  Some older versions may need to have the file renamed
> > ("ren CMF-1.1.tar.gz CMF-1.1.tgz").
>
> Glenn undoubtably has trouble with IE, not WinZip
>
> IE is crap. It renames .tar.gz files to .tar. I wonder if that was a
deliverate
> ploy by M$?
>
> grrrr,
>
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 13:28:55 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:28:55 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHCECNCDAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <002001c115e6$5e5dee00$0100a8c0@enfer.netcasting.net>
Message-ID: <014d01c115ce$89f510b0$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>

AFAIK the biggest problem is that FP expects to find directories called:

_vti_txt
_vti_script
_vti_pvt

and etc.

As you probably know, Zope doesn't allow names in the ZODB to start with _
(underscore).  This will cause no end of problems.

I've put a very small amount of thought into it and the only 'fix' I can
come up with is to front Zope with Apache and use the apache Rewrite module
to fool FP into thinking the folders are there even when they are actually
on an Apache 'htdocs' type folder structure.

I hope that makes sense.

Phil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Sawyers" <andrew@digicool.com>
To: "Jon Edwards" <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>; "Zope-Cmf" <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles


> Rest assured that support for the DTML based skins won't go away; just my
> new look and feel changes are only going in ZPT.  Just consider it an
> additional skin.  Bugs I've found will be fixed in the DTML stylesheet as
> well.
> I've heard we have problems with inegrating very well with FrontPage.  I
> forget exactly why, but it has to do with some files it creates outside of
> your html files.  If I had it, I would try it out to give a little better
> input; anyone up for this?
> A final note, I jumped the gun a little bit yesterday about what I had
hoped
> for the filesystem based ZPT and GUI editors.  It's definately better then
> the current CVS checkout, but I had forgotten there will be problems
working
> off the filesystem with unexpanded macros.  Working through webdav will
get
> macros expanded; unfortunately other problems will arise.  We're still
> working this out....so it's not going to be quite as nice as I predictd at
> this point.
> Andrew
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Edwards" <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Zope-Cmf" <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> Cc: <andrew@digicool.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:09 PM
> Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
>
>
> > > Personally I am migrating to the camp Presentation belongs in ZPT and
> > logic
> > > in Python Scripts or file system python modules.  I know there is
still
> a
> > > need for DTML (I just don't know what it is well enough to iterate it)
> and
> > > thus would recommend to those who are planning on doing skins to go
the
> > ZPT
> > > route versus trying to provide both.
> >
> > A couple of questions (both of which may cause rocks to be thrown at me!
> :-)
> >
> > 1. Please, please, please reassure us that DTML skins will still be
> > supported/updated, even if they're only basic ones and the "pretty
stuff"
> is
> > done with ZPT!
> >
> > 2. Has anyone experimented with MS Frontpage (as opposed to Dreamweaver
or
> > GoLive) for this kinda editing-with-ZPT? MS Office is pretty much
> > standard-issue in our market, so lots of users have Frontpage... and
some
> > have even used it! :-)
> >
> > Cheers, Jon
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests



From andrew@digicool.com  Thu Jul 26 16:29:48 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:29:48 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
References: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHCECNCDAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk> <002001c115e6$5e5dee00$0100a8c0@enfer.netcasting.net> <014d01c115ce$89f510b0$5c773fc1@ml.uwcm.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <004601c115e7$ceb6f510$0100a8c0@enfer.netcasting.net>

Phil,
It makes sense, and you're exactly right.  Thanks for refreshing my memory.
Chris M and I spoke about quite awhile back about possible work arounds we
might want to do for FrontPage due to the issues raised by Jon.  Don't know
if anything will happen though.....
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
To: "Andrew Sawyers" <andrew@digicool.com>; "Jon Edwards"
<jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>; "Zope-Cmf" <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles


> AFAIK the biggest problem is that FP expects to find directories called:
>
> _vti_txt
> _vti_script
> _vti_pvt
>
> and etc.
>
> As you probably know, Zope doesn't allow names in the ZODB to start with _
> (underscore).  This will cause no end of problems.
>
> I've put a very small amount of thought into it and the only 'fix' I can
> come up with is to front Zope with Apache and use the apache Rewrite
module
> to fool FP into thinking the folders are there even when they are actually
> on an Apache 'htdocs' type folder structure.
>
> I hope that makes sense.
>
> Phil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Sawyers" <andrew@digicool.com>
> To: "Jon Edwards" <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>; "Zope-Cmf"
<zope-cmf@zope.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 4:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
>
>
> > Rest assured that support for the DTML based skins won't go away; just
my
> > new look and feel changes are only going in ZPT.  Just consider it an
> > additional skin.  Bugs I've found will be fixed in the DTML stylesheet
as
> > well.
> > I've heard we have problems with inegrating very well with FrontPage.  I
> > forget exactly why, but it has to do with some files it creates outside
of
> > your html files.  If I had it, I would try it out to give a little
better
> > input; anyone up for this?
> > A final note, I jumped the gun a little bit yesterday about what I had
> hoped
> > for the filesystem based ZPT and GUI editors.  It's definately better
then
> > the current CVS checkout, but I had forgotten there will be problems
> working
> > off the filesystem with unexpanded macros.  Working through webdav will
> get
> > macros expanded; unfortunately other problems will arise.  We're still
> > working this out....so it's not going to be quite as nice as I predictd
at
> > this point.
> > Andrew
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jon Edwards" <jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Zope-Cmf" <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> > Cc: <andrew@digicool.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:09 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
> >
> >
> > > > Personally I am migrating to the camp Presentation belongs in ZPT
and
> > > logic
> > > > in Python Scripts or file system python modules.  I know there is
> still
> > a
> > > > need for DTML (I just don't know what it is well enough to iterate
it)
> > and
> > > > thus would recommend to those who are planning on doing skins to go
> the
> > > ZPT
> > > > route versus trying to provide both.
> > >
> > > A couple of questions (both of which may cause rocks to be thrown at
me!
> > :-)
> > >
> > > 1. Please, please, please reassure us that DTML skins will still be
> > > supported/updated, even if they're only basic ones and the "pretty
> stuff"
> > is
> > > done with ZPT!
> > >
> > > 2. Has anyone experimented with MS Frontpage (as opposed to
Dreamweaver
> or
> > > GoLive) for this kinda editing-with-ZPT? MS Office is pretty much
> > > standard-issue in our market, so lots of users have Frontpage... and
> some
> > > have even used it! :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers, Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> > >
> > > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
feature
> > requests
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests
>
>



From vaulnette@yahoo.fr  Thu Jul 26 13:44:39 2001
From: vaulnette@yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?q?Val=E9rie=20Aulnette?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:44:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Customizing portal_types
Message-ID: <20010726124439.71182.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi !

I need to modify some methods in
CMFDefault.Document.py.
For that, I used inheritance but I don't know how to
attach my new file to CMF so that CMF recognize my
methods and not the default ones.

I need to change the function addDocument as well : is
it possible to modify it using inheritance ? (as it
doesn't belong to a class...?)

Any hints or documentation that could help me ?

___________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!? -- Vos albums photos en ligne, 
Yahoo! Photos : http://fr.photos.yahoo.com


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 13:57:41 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:57:41 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <004601c115e7$ceb6f510$0100a8c0@enfer.netcasting.net>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHGEDBCDAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

> > > Rest assured that support for the DTML based skins won't go away; just
> my
> > > new look and feel changes are only going in ZPT.  Just consider it an
> > > additional skin.

Thanks! :-)

> Bugs I've found will be fixed in the DTML stylesheet
> as
> > > well.

I may have missed something (in which case please point me at RTFM), but
what bugs are they? The only one I've heard is someone suggesting there
should be no gaps/line-breaks in the style definitions, to stop Netscape
choking?

> Chris M and I spoke about quite awhile back about possible work arounds we
> might want to do for FrontPage due to the issues raised by Jon.

I think it would be a nice feature to have in the marketing literature!

If you do decide to pursue it, I feel duty-bound to offer to help, as I
suggested it! ;-)

> > AFAIK the biggest problem is that FP expects to find directories called:
> >
> > _vti_txt
> > _vti_script
> > _vti_pvt
> >
> > and etc.

It's ages since I played with Frontpage, but don't these only apply to the
"site-building" parts of Frontpage - the bits that create the nav structure,
hierarchical diagrams, etc?

Isn't it possible to just use the WYSIWYG html-editor on a single page -
which is what you'd be doing, I think, when you work with ZPT? I'll have a
dig round and see what I can find.

Cheers, Jon




From aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu  Thu Jul 26 14:35:43 2001
From: aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu (albert boulanger)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:35:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflows what are they and how to use them
In-Reply-To: <003601c115b2$4e3ae890$3300000a@work01> (lists@net-labs.de)
Message-ID: <200107261335.JAA10766@ox.ldgo.columbia.edu>

Many workflow systems indicate the states in a state engine explicitly
and the content objects are only related to the state object through
say a list.  The content object also points to the state
object(s). Thus a content object can be in mutiple states in mutiple
workflows and a workflow can be pushing mutiple content objects.

Personally I would like to see a workflow system for Zope where the
objects being pushed are any kind of thing including "push" activities
like "ET phone home" on say a pager.


Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@vpatch.com


From fm@synchrologic.com  Thu Jul 26 15:00:56 2001
From: fm@synchrologic.com (Frank McGeough)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:00:56 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] content management framework question / musings
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com><006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com> <3B56A57C.4A15CD32@nipltd.com> <995595560.911.7.camel@locutus.libc.org> <001a01c1111c$a6c465d0$c7010a0a@mcgeough> <3B600524.8080504@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <024c01c115db$643376c0$c7010a0a@mcgeough>

The CMF allows a user to login, to have an area that they can add content to
and that works o.k.

My question is, how does all this content actually become part of a whole?
If you take content like News -- it is totally integrated. That is, a user
adds a News Item and once it's published, it's available. It doesn't matter
if the user decides to move it to another folder --- the News Item is still
picked up and displayed in the proper places. Events are somewhat similar.

For document content things are left to the user. Search provides a
wonderful level of integration, of course, but that is a (very useful but)
poor substitute for intelligent organization (in my opinion). Since this is
the case it seems like my users should actually be roles.  That is, if I was
working on a newspaper type model --- I would have a sports user, an
editorial user, etc. The main menu would link the person browsing the site
to these sections. The section would have a main DTML document that would
layout the section and show the current available content. This main DTML
would always be available. The main DTML document would have to have logic
in it to iterate through the user (role) folders getting the proper content.
If I was doing a daily type of publishing environment then I could picture
having a folder that writers would work out of for the next days article,
and having a folder that is the current days content. I would then have a
deadline and have a program that would move the current days content to an
archived folder, move the working area content into the current days folder
and leave the working area clean for the next days work.

Is this how the CMF designers picture their system being used (apart from
how it used at the CMF site and other similar sites that have more of the
garage sale interface --- that is, there may be a lot of interesting stuff
but you are going to have to find it yourself). Is there any docs that the
CMF designers have written that describe how a site could organize content
generation. In general, how do people see how content gets integrated when
using CMF so the web site provides a valuable user experience? Do you use
smart queries along the line of the News/Events to organize the other types
of content?



From andrew@digicool.com  Thu Jul 26 15:02:46 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:02:46 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHGEDBCDAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOEEAACBAA.andrew@digicool.com>

I found some improper declared styles being used in the DTML (specifically
in the Navbar), thus why it's never looked properly.  It's difficult to read
the default browser colors of the links in the navbar, and the original
design expected them to behave differently.  It's an easy fix that I'll be
putting into CVS today.
>
> I may have missed something (in which case please point me at RTFM), but
> what bugs are they? The only one I've heard is someone suggesting there
> should be no gaps/line-breaks in the style definitions, to stop Netscape
> choking?
>
> > Chris M and I spoke about quite awhile back about possible work
> arounds we
> > might want to do for FrontPage due to the issues raised by Jon.
>
> I think it would be a nice feature to have in the marketing literature!
>
> If you do decide to pursue it, I feel duty-bound to offer to help, as I
> suggested it! ;-)
That was the general starting point of our discussion on the issue, we both
felt it would be a benefit to support FrontPage but I think it had been
punted on......
>
> > > AFAIK the biggest problem is that FP expects to find
> directories called:
> > >
> > > _vti_txt
> > > _vti_script
> > > _vti_pvt
> > >
> > > and etc.
>
> It's ages since I played with Frontpage, but don't these only apply to the
> "site-building" parts of Frontpage - the bits that create the nav
> structure,
> hierarchical diagrams, etc?
>
> Isn't it possible to just use the WYSIWYG html-editor on a single page -
> which is what you'd be doing, I think, when you work with ZPT? I'll have a
> dig round and see what I can find.
Yeah, off the top of my head, I agree.  If one just uses the WYSIWYG editor,
you'd expect things to work fine.  Heh, we all know this is hardly ever the
case.  Someone who has it should try; just so we know.  I'll check around
here and see if I can get a copy.  I'm not sure if people who use that tool
use all the 'extra' features or simply are using it to do basic editing.....
Andrew



From dan@control.com  Thu Jul 26 15:49:47 2001
From: dan@control.com (Dan L. Pierson)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:49:47 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF - not in your face?
In-Reply-To: <3B600524.8080504@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <41890000.996158987@daystar.control.com>


--On Thursday, July 26, 2001 07:55:16 AM -0400 Paul Everitt 
<paul@digicool.com> wrote:

>
> Here's a different suggestion.  You're on the right track with the
> actions_box.  But instead of hacking it there, hack standard_html_header.
> Put a <dtml-if> around the table cell that has the actions_box.  If
> you're anonymous, don't even *call* the actions_box.  (In this case,
> you'd do a <dtml-else>, I suppose, to say "if you're *not* anonymous, put
> in the actions_box".)

Or just use <dtml-unless ...>, that's what it's there for.





From dan@control.com  Thu Jul 26 15:59:55 2001
From: dan@control.com (Dan L. Pierson)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:59:55 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <002001c115e6$5e5dee00$0100a8c0@enfer.netcasting.net>
Message-ID: <44210000.996159595@daystar.control.com>


--On Thursday, July 26, 2001 08:19:30 AM -0700 Andrew Sawyers 
<andrew@digicool.com> wrote:

> Rest assured that support for the DTML based skins won't go away; just my
> new look and feel changes are only going in ZPT.  Just consider it an
> additional skin.  Bugs I've found will be fixed in the DTML stylesheet as
> well.

Would you please give those of us who won't be using Zope 2.4 in the 
immediate
future some clues about how far we dare follow your ZPT work with 2.3? 
After
Tres' last comment on the subject I decided that we should simply avoid ZPT 
and
CMFDecor until our next major upgrade in 6+ months.

We're just about to go public with a new version of our main site based on a
slightly wierd hybred of CMF 1.1 and Squishdot.  It's all DTML based now, 
but
we would like to be able to experiment with ZPT in that context.








From andrew@digicool.com  Thu Jul 26 16:01:49 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:01:49 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <44210000.996159595@daystar.control.com>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOMEAACBAA.andrew@digicool.com>

Right now I am running all my instances on top of Zope2.3; that should say
it all.  :-p
We're dealing with issues for 2.4 as they arise; but from quick testing, the
CMF runs fine on top 2.4 at present.
This what you were looking for?
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Dan L. Pierson
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:00 AM
> To: Zope-Cmf
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
>
>
>
>
> --On Thursday, July 26, 2001 08:19:30 AM -0700 Andrew Sawyers
> <andrew@digicool.com> wrote:
>
> > Rest assured that support for the DTML based skins won't go
> away; just my
> > new look and feel changes are only going in ZPT.  Just consider it an
> > additional skin.  Bugs I've found will be fixed in the DTML
> stylesheet as
> > well.
>
> Would you please give those of us who won't be using Zope 2.4 in the
> immediate
> future some clues about how far we dare follow your ZPT work with 2.3?
> After
> Tres' last comment on the subject I decided that we should simply
> avoid ZPT
> and
> CMFDecor until our next major upgrade in 6+ months.
>
> We're just about to go public with a new version of our main site
> based on a
> slightly wierd hybred of CMF 1.1 and Squishdot.  It's all DTML based now,
> but
> we would like to be able to experiment with ZPT in that context.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From dan@control.com  Thu Jul 26 16:50:26 2001
From: dan@control.com (Dan L. Pierson)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:50:26 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOMEAACBAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <62960000.996162626@daystar.control.com>

Partly.  I'd really like some idea of how long it will stay 2.3 compatible 
and
some very visible notice when that is broken.

--On Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:01:49 AM -0400 Andrew Sawyers 
<andrew@digicool.com> wrote:

> Right now I am running all my instances on top of Zope2.3; that should say
> it all.  :-p
> We're dealing with issues for 2.4 as they arise; but from quick testing,
> the CMF runs fine on top 2.4 at present.
> This what you were looking for?
> Andrew
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
>> Of Dan L. Pierson
>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:00 AM
>> To: Zope-Cmf
>> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --On Thursday, July 26, 2001 08:19:30 AM -0700 Andrew Sawyers
>> <andrew@digicool.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Rest assured that support for the DTML based skins won't go
>> away; just my
>> > new look and feel changes are only going in ZPT.  Just consider it an
>> > additional skin.  Bugs I've found will be fixed in the DTML
>> stylesheet as
>> > well.
>>
>> Would you please give those of us who won't be using Zope 2.4 in the
>> immediate
>> future some clues about how far we dare follow your ZPT work with 2.3?
>> After
>> Tres' last comment on the subject I decided that we should simply
>> avoid ZPT
>> and
>> CMFDecor until our next major upgrade in 6+ months.
>>
>> We're just about to go public with a new version of our main site
>> based on a
>> slightly wierd hybred of CMF 1.1 and Squishdot.  It's all DTML based now,
>> but
>> we would like to be able to experiment with ZPT in that context.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>>
>> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
>> feature requests
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests
>






From andrew@digicool.com  Thu Jul 26 16:49:04 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:49:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <62960000.996162626@daystar.control.com>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOAEABCBAA.andrew@digicool.com>

Tres will be the one to best answer this for a more definitive time frame,
but from our discussions we're planning on ensuring compatibility with 2.3
for quite some time.  I'd suspect that once the decision is made to support
only Zope 2.4 with the CMF (IF that ever happened) we'd notify people well
in advance.
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Dan L. Pierson
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:50 AM
> To: Zope-Cmf
> Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
>
>
> Partly.  I'd really like some idea of how long it will stay 2.3
> compatible
> and
> some very visible notice when that is broken.
>
> --On Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:01:49 AM -0400 Andrew Sawyers
> <andrew@digicool.com> wrote:
>
> > Right now I am running all my instances on top of Zope2.3; that
> should say
> > it all.  :-p
> > We're dealing with issues for 2.4 as they arise; but from quick testing,
> > the CMF runs fine on top 2.4 at present.
> > This what you were looking for?
> > Andrew
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> >> Of Dan L. Pierson
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:00 AM
> >> To: Zope-Cmf
> >> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --On Thursday, July 26, 2001 08:19:30 AM -0700 Andrew Sawyers
> >> <andrew@digicool.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Rest assured that support for the DTML based skins won't go
> >> away; just my
> >> > new look and feel changes are only going in ZPT.  Just consider it an
> >> > additional skin.  Bugs I've found will be fixed in the DTML
> >> stylesheet as
> >> > well.
> >>
> >> Would you please give those of us who won't be using Zope 2.4 in the
> >> immediate
> >> future some clues about how far we dare follow your ZPT work with 2.3?
> >> After
> >> Tres' last comment on the subject I decided that we should simply
> >> avoid ZPT
> >> and
> >> CMFDecor until our next major upgrade in 6+ months.
> >>
> >> We're just about to go public with a new version of our main site
> >> based on a
> >> slightly wierd hybred of CMF 1.1 and Squishdot.  It's all DTML
> based now,
> >> but
> >> we would like to be able to experiment with ZPT in that context.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> >> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >>
> >> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> >> feature requests
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> > requests
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From shane@digicool.com  Thu Jul 26 17:55:14 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:55:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflows what are they and how to use them
In-Reply-To: <003601c115b2$4e3ae890$3300000a@work01>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0107261234100.8607-100000@shane.digicool.com>

On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Ulrich Eck wrote:

> the main problem i have is, that the CMF-Workflow is tightly
> integrated in the PortalContent-Objects .. the activity-based workflow
> cannot .. there must be another way to offer the activities to the
> user .. but how :-) another problem is .. how to define activities
> that use portal-content-objects and howto specify that ..
>
> looking forward for your comments

Sorry, I really don't have any yet.  We're looking at the ideas in very
different ways and I won't be able to make useful comments until I've
fully examined wfmc and OpenFlow.

But here are my less mature thoughts.  :-)  You want a unit of work to be
represented as an object, right?  So naturally you associate a workflow
definition with a certain object type.  Now let's say there are several
subtasks in this work unit.  Subtasks are just another work unit, right?
So your subtasks are also objects.  They are stored as children of the
parent task.

Let's say certain subtasks aren't available except when the parent task is
in a certain state.  You set up a guard condition for those subtasks that
checks the state of the parent object.

Let's say completion of all subtasks implies completion of the task.  You
set up a script that modifies the parent's state when the subtasks are
completed.

I could provide more mini-use cases, but it really wouldn't be helpful
since I have not examined wfmc and OpenFlow enough yet.  DCWorkflow is
nothing more than a proof of concept (intended to prove that you can
indeed create state machines through the web), not a fully researched
project.

My unresearched thoughts are that DCWorkflow seems much more
object-oriented than the approaches taken by authors of several workflow
articles I've read.  But we'll see.  It will be some time, I think,
because Zope Corp. can only take on so many non-customer projects.

Shane



From shane@digicool.com  Thu Jul 26 18:14:49 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:14:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflows what are they and how to use them
In-Reply-To: <200107261335.JAA10766@ox.ldgo.columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0107261307440.8607-100000@shane.digicool.com>

On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, albert boulanger wrote:

> Many workflow systems indicate the states in a state engine explicitly
> and the content objects are only related to the state object through
> say a list.  The content object also points to the state
> object(s). Thus a content object can be in mutiple states in mutiple
> workflows and a workflow can be pushing mutiple content objects.

Interesting.  Would the state object be a child of the content object, a
peer, or completely disjoint?

Note that DCWorkflow does allow an object to be in multiple states in
multiple workflows (but one state per workflow).  A workflow can also
govern multiple content objects if the content objects are children of the
object to which the workflow applies.

> Personally I would like to see a workflow system for Zope where the
> objects being pushed are any kind of thing including "push" activities
> like "ET phone home" on say a pager.

I mean this in the best way, but what prevents you from doing that today?
How would you do it differently from writing a Script (Python) that sends
mail?

Shane



From khoxsey@caspiannetworks.com  Thu Jul 26 18:24:10 2001
From: khoxsey@caspiannetworks.com (Kent Hoxsey)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:24:10 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] content management framework question / musings
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com><006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com> <3B56A57C.4A15CD32@nipltd.com> <995595560.911.7.camel@locutus.libc.org> <001a01c1111c$a6c465d0$c7010a0a@mcgeough> <3B600524.8080504@digicool.com> <024c01c115db$643376c0$c7010a0a@mcgeough>
Message-ID: <3B60523A.8CD15086@caspiannetworks.com>

Frank McGeough wrote:
> 
> The CMF allows a user to login, to have an area that they can add content to
> and that works o.k.
> 
> My question is, how does all this content actually become part of a whole?
> If you take content like News -- it is totally integrated. That is, a user
> adds a News Item and once it's published, it's available. It doesn't matter
> if the user decides to move it to another folder --- the News Item is still
> picked up and displayed in the proper places. Events are somewhat similar.

Not sure how much others follow this same pattern, but we tend to
approach everythin inside Zope as a search for objects. The examples
you list know how to do what you mean because they're searching for a
particular Type in the catalog (as well as checking publishing status
and user entitlement).


> For document content things are left to the user. Search provides a
> wonderful level of integration, of course, but that is a (very useful but)
> poor substitute for intelligent organization (in my opinion). 

I'm not sure I completely understand what the term 'intelligent
organization' means in your context, but it seems to me that neither
Zope nor the CMF restrict you in the manner you organize your site,
content, or publishing rules.


> Since this is
> the case it seems like my users should actually be roles.  That is, if I was
> working on a newspaper type model --- I would have a sports user, an
> editorial user, etc. The main menu would link the person browsing the site
> to these sections. The section would have a main DTML document that would
> layout the section and show the current available content. This main DTML
> would always be available. The main DTML document would have to have logic
> in it to iterate through the user (role) folders getting the proper content.

So far, what you are describing sounds like a skinning issue in CMF,
and maps pretty directly to the work we're doing on our intranet site.
At this point, we can represent all internal pages from a single
index_html method that renders appropriate content and 'sections'
based on folder properties, available content, and user role.


> If I was doing a daily type of publishing environment then I could picture
> having a folder that writers would work out of for the next days article,
> and having a folder that is the current days content. I would then have a
> deadline and have a program that would move the current days content to an
> archived folder, move the working area content into the current days folder
> and leave the working area clean for the next days work.

We thought about doing something about the same as you describe, and
then realized that the effectivity dates in the metadata for the
portal types makes archiving a skinning issue. Since the items know
their own expiration, all you need to maintain different 'current' and
'archived' views are a pair of skinning methods that search for
different effectivity windows, and present all objects found. In other
words, 'current' searches for (start_date<now) and (end_date>now),
while 'archived' searches for (end_date < now).

k1


From aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu  Thu Jul 26 19:03:11 2001
From: aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu (albert boulanger)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:03:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] workflows what are they and how to use them
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0107261307440.8607-100000@shane.digicool.com>
 (message from Shane Hathaway on Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:14:49 -0400 (EDT))
Message-ID: <200107261803.OAA11015@ox.ldgo.columbia.edu>


   > Many workflow systems indicate the states in a state engine explicitly
   > and the content objects are only related to the state object through
   > say a list.  The content object also points to the state
   > object(s). Thus a content object can be in mutiple states in mutiple
   > workflows and a workflow can be pushing mutiple content objects.

   Interesting.  Would the state object be a child of the content object, a
   peer, or completely disjoint?

I would favor disjoint, and this was the point of the push example
below. I was trying to make a case of workflow were the associated
content (ie the push) was far from being the normally-thought-of-stuff
that the CMF workflow is working with now to stimulate thinking.

   Note that DCWorkflow does allow an object to be in multiple states in
   multiple workflows (but one state per workflow).  A workflow can also
   govern multiple content objects if the content objects are children of the
   object to which the workflow applies.

That's good.

   > Personally I would like to see a workflow system for Zope where the
   > objects being pushed are any kind of thing including "push" activities
   > like "ET phone home" on say a pager.

   I mean this in the best way, but what prevents you from doing that today?
   How would you do it differently from writing a Script (Python) that sends
   mail?

Yeah. I would then use that script as an attached action to the
explicit workflow state. I was not really bringing this up about how
to execute the action but to use it as an example of associated
actions a workflow state may have attached to it.

Regards,
Albert Boulanger




From jccooper@rice.edu  Thu Jul 26 19:03:46 2001
From: jccooper@rice.edu (J. Cameron Cooper)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:03:46 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] content management framework question / musings
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com><006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com> <3B56A57C.4A15CD32@nipltd.com> <995595560.911.7.camel@locutus.libc.org> <001a01c1111c$a6c465d0$c7010a0a@mcgeough> <3B600524.8080504@digicool.com> <024c01c115db$643376c0$c7010a0a@mcgeough>
Message-ID: <3B605B82.7020507@rice.edu>

>
>
>The CMF allows a user to login, to have an area that they can add content to
>and that works o.k.
>
>My question is, how does all this content actually become part of a whole?
>If you take content like News -- it is totally integrated. That is, a user
>adds a News Item and once it's published, it's available. It doesn't matter
>if the user decides to move it to another folder --- the News Item is still
>picked up and displayed in the proper places. Events are somewhat similar.
>
A couple things here...

Remember that users don't have to be contained to their userfolders. 
It's pretty easy to create a site hierarchy with folders and, by the 
magic of local roles, limit users to branches of that hierarchy. That 
gives you a browsable, searchable, and controlled structure.

Or, you could use Portal Topics, the "ZCatalog query in a can." 
Documents stored anywhere in the CMF site can seem to look as if in a 
folder based on their contents. The "Subject" metadata field is good for 
this. Or you coud use the types tool to make types of documents that 
Topics would then include at some browsable level; this is much like the 
news function in the default site or like the Howtos on zope.org.

            --jcc
        (a howto)




From dieter@handshake.de  Thu Jul 26 19:56:43 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:56:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
In-Reply-To: <B784E471.3138C%marc@bowery.com>
References: <B784E471.3138C%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <15200.26603.774389.200148@lindm.dm>

marc lindahl writes:
 > I noticed that the the usernames are case sensitive... isnt' that a net
 > no-no?
We live in 2001 not in 1975....

  Nowadays, all computer keyboards should have both upper and
  lower case letters and all gateways should be able to
  transmit at least 7bit ASCII if not even 8bit data.

  No longer any reason to be case insensitive....


Dieter


From aem@byu.edu  Thu Jul 26 21:06:56 2001
From: aem@byu.edu (Adrian Madrid)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:06:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Create search for folders
In-Reply-To: <000601c115ad$a07481c0$175ebbca@apdip.net>
Message-ID: <20010726200656.79137.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com>

> ===> yes, all the folders are Portal Folders
Perfect, then you need to add the folder_name property
to the metadata/indexes in the portal_catalog. Have
you done that already?

> ===> Where is the SearchableText method located? 
For portal folders is in the FS code. You can do by
with the step above.

> >   - Search for folder folder_name=='A'
> ===> I searched for Folder A and no results found. 
After you've fixed the portal_catalog _and_ reindexed
the catalog try going into the catalog tab of the
portal_catalog and manually search for one of the
folders that should have the property you need. Click
on the item and check to see that the folder_name
property is there and has a value. Then you can do a
search as I before mentioned.

Hope it helps,



=====
---------------------------
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Benson Institute, Webmaster
Brigham Young University
---------------------------
adrian_esteban@madrid.com
===========================

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From marc@bowery.com  Thu Jul 26 21:13:39 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:13:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
In-Reply-To: <15200.26603.774389.200148@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <B785F232.314D9%marc@bowery.com>

Is it me or is this list getting too sarcastic?

I mention it only having recalled reading this somewhere in a usability
guideline (let me try to dig up the reference), and having a couple of new
users complain to me that login was broken (when it turned out they forgot
that they had, for example, capitalized the first letter when signing up).

Also, I'm looking at a future where something like Blark or CMFWiki or a
workflow might have as an option email reminders, where the email addressing
would be integrated with the acl_user names.  Since, I believe, most mailers
ignore case, this would then present a problem if you had multiple users
distinguished only by their casing.

> From: Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de>
> 
> Nowadays, all computer keyboards should have both upper and
> lower case letters and all gateways should be able to
> transmit at least 7bit ASCII if not even 8bit data.
> 
> No longer any reason to be case insensitive....



From wilson@visi.com  Fri Jul 27 04:19:27 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:19:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is the dogbowl acting up?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107262217540.5194-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hi everyone,

Is it just me or is http://cmf.zope.org/ acting up a bit? I've getting lots
of errors when I try to access various pages. Is Tres still on vacation? :-)

-Tim

--
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From Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de  Fri Jul 27 04:29:27 2001
From: Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de (Christoph Schirmer)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 05:29:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is the dogbowl acting up?
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107262217540.5194-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3B60E017.A9C0F3B2@snafu.de>

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Tres is at the O´Reilly conference, giving talks on how to use the cmf - and I really
hope that the slides or papers will be available soon :-)

Cheers,
Christoph

Timothy Wilson wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Is it just me or is http://cmf.zope.org/ acting up a bit? I've getting lots
> of errors when I try to access various pages. Is Tres still on vacation? :-)
>
> -Tim
>
> --
> Tim Wilson      |   Visit Sibley online:   | Check out:
> Henry Sibley HS |  http://www.isd197.org   | http://www.zope.com
> W. St. Paul, MN |                          | http://slashdot.org
> wilson@visi.com |  <dtml-var pithy_quote>  | http://linux.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests

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From aeamalik@yahoo.com  Fri Jul 27 05:23:57 2001
From: aeamalik@yahoo.com (Amr Malik)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:23:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is the dogbowl acting up?
In-Reply-To: <3B60E017.A9C0F3B2@snafu.de>
Message-ID: <20010727042357.55557.qmail@web11601.mail.yahoo.com>

AFAIK, the slides are already available (at least the first cut)

--- Christoph Schirmer <Christoph.Schirmer@snafu.de> wrote:
> Tres is at the O´Reilly conference, giving talks on how to use the cmf - and
> I really
> hope that the slides or papers will be available soon :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Christoph
> 
snip...

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From dhanunjaya@mindscapecomputing.com  Fri Jul 27 06:13:01 2001
From: dhanunjaya@mindscapecomputing.com (Dhanu)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:43:01 +0530
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFPhotoAlbum--How to make it index automatically
Message-ID: <000701c1165a$cef2f060$4ac809c0@saraswathi>

Hai friends,
Iam using CMFPhotoAlbum.
Iam able to make it have categories by adding action metadata.
Now i want to make it index automatically,when it is added or atleast when
it its metatdata is changed.
Can any body tell me how??

I also think CMFPhotoAlbum should inherit Portalcontent in addition to
portal folder,so that it can also have workflow.

Thanks for your help

Regards,
Dhanunjaya





From sedat@kibele.com  Fri Jul 27 07:54:19 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (Sedat Yilmazer)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:54:19 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
In-Reply-To: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B930A7E50@KIBELE_SBS>
Message-ID: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C515@KIBELE_SBS>

 I have seen a smilar discussion in the exim (SMTP server) mailing list =
on case sensitive email addresses. =20

 In Zope case best would be to leave it to the Zope admin.=20

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Dieter Maurer
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:57 PM
To: marc lindahl
Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?


marc lindahl writes:
 > I noticed that the the usernames are case sensitive... isnt' that a =
net
 > no-no?
We live in 2001 not in 1975....

  Nowadays, all computer keyboards should have both upper and
  lower case letters and all gateways should be able to
  transmit at least 7bit ASCII if not even 8bit data.

  No longer any reason to be case insensitive....


Dieter

_______________________________________________
Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf

See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature =
requests



From sedat@kibele.com  Fri Jul 27 08:05:18 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (Sedat Yilmazer)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:05:18 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Web pages as CMF Content
Message-ID: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C516@KIBELE_SBS>

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 Hi

 There is a URL type document in the CMF which just saves the link to =
the page/site. Is there a similar content type that downloads and stores =
the page in the ZODB like IE 5.0 with all page elements


Sedat Yilmazer
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From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul 27 08:32:55 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:32:55 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFPhotoAlbum--How to make it index automatically
In-Reply-To: <000701c1165a$cef2f060$4ac809c0@saraswathi>
Message-ID: <B7869166.31569%marc@bowery.com>

OK, it was a hack job :)
But it's also ZClass based, so you can easily modify it to your heart's
desire.

The album is basically just a folder... I'm not sure what you mean by adding
action metadata.  To the images themselves?

As far as workflow goes, that would be the display methods - single and
multiple image pages, that would have to have a pile of code to deal with
workflow (and permissions)....

More evidence (to me anyway) that the image objects themselves should 'know
how they should be displayed' in a given context -- does that make sense?

> Hai friends,
> Iam using CMFPhotoAlbum.
> Iam able to make it have categories by adding action metadata.
> Now i want to make it index automatically,when it is added or atleast when
> it its metatdata is changed.
> Can any body tell me how??
> 
> I also think CMFPhotoAlbum should inherit Portalcontent in addition to
> portal folder,so that it can also have workflow.
> 
> Thanks for your help
> 
> Regards,
> Dhanunjaya



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri Jul 27 09:41:50 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:41:50 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] 2.4 & 2.3 Compatability
References: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOAEABCBAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B61294E.73FFFDC6@nipltd.com>

Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> 
> Tres will be the one to best answer this for a more definitive time frame,
> but from our discussions we're planning on ensuring compatibility with 2.3
> for quite some time.  I'd suspect that once the decision is made to support
> only Zope 2.4 with the CMF (IF that ever happened) we'd notify people well
> in advance.

How are you planning on dealing with the new way of adding idnexes in Zope 2.4
versus the one in 2.3?
Will you fork the code or have an if statement?

cheers,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri Jul 27 09:53:30 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:53:30 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] PROBLEM(100) Script (Python) Object "dateMunger"needs to
 be recompiled.
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEDOCGAA.khine@btinternet.com> <996139223.23819.13.camel@locutus.libc.org>
Message-ID: <3B612C0A.D0109F48@nipltd.com>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Bill Anderson wrote:
> 
> I posted htis a day or so ago (TZ depending).
> So far, you can go to the method's edi tscreen and click save to make it go away for
> that script, but I have yet to find a method of forcing them all to do it, short
> of manually finding and resaving ALL of them. :(

Bill, try this hack^h^h^h^hpatch...

Shane will no doubt explain why it doesn't work ;-)

cheers,

Chris
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--- E:\Zope\2.4.0b3\lib\python\Products\PythonScripts\PythonScript.py.original	Mon Jul 02 14:13:42 2001
+++ E:\Zope\2.4.0b3\lib\python\Products\PythonScripts\PythonScript.py	Fri Jul 27 09:09:20 2001
@@ -260,9 +260,10 @@
         Script.__setstate__(self, state)
         if (getattr(self, 'Python_magic', None) != Python_magic or
             getattr(self, 'Script_magic', None) != Script_magic):
-            LOG(self.meta_type, PROBLEM,
-                'Object "%s" needs to be recompiled.' % self.id)
+            LOG(self.meta_type, INFO,
+                'Object "%s" has been recompiled.' % self.id)
             # Changes here won't get saved, unless this Script is edited.
+            self.write(self.read())
             self._compile()
             self._v_change = 1
         elif self._code is None:

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From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 27 10:54:48 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:54:48 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
In-Reply-To: <B785F232.314D9%marc@bowery.com>; from marc@bowery.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 04:13:39PM -0400
References: <15200.26603.774389.200148@lindm.dm> <B785F232.314D9%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <20010727105448.B8873@lenin.jamkit.com>

* marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com> [010726 21:17]:
> Is it me or is this list getting too sarcastic?

Nah, that wan't sarcastic IMO.  Dieter's reponses are always concise and
interesting.  It can be easy to mistake conciseness for impatience or
sarcasm, but that's the nature of email, right?  I love the thought of
a world where people still have keyboards without a shift key and less
than 7bit gateways.  I suppose you had to rub the VDU with an acrylic
cloth to make it fluoresce?  Dieter, you're showing your age ;-)

> I mention it only having recalled reading this somewhere in a usability
> guideline (let me try to dig up the reference), and having a couple of new
> users complain to me that login was broken (when it turned out they forgot
> that they had, for example, capitalized the first letter when signing up).

You definitely have a point here about usability.  It would be simple
enough to force usernames to lowercase.  In your email example,
however, it wouldn't be a problem, since email addresses are a
completely separate field from user names.  In one system I've made,
I'm emailing people notifications whenever a document in which
they've expressed an interest changes; it's easy to do, and it doesn't
matter what case their username was stored in.

seb



> Also, I'm looking at a future where something like Blark or CMFWiki or a
> workflow might have as an option email reminders, where the email addressing
> would be integrated with the acl_user names.  Since, I believe, most mailers
> ignore case, this would then present a problem if you had multiple users
> distinguished only by their casing.
> 
> > From: Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de>
> > 
> > Nowadays, all computer keyboards should have both upper and
> > lower case letters and all gateways should be able to
> > transmit at least 7bit ASCII if not even 8bit data.
> > 
> > No longer any reason to be case insensitive....


From norman@bmpublications.co.uk  Fri Jul 27 11:25:01 2001
From: norman@bmpublications.co.uk (Norman Khine)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:25:01 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFOptions 1.1 and Zope2.4.0
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOGEBACMAA.norman@bmpublications.co.uk>

Hello,
I am having problems with this setup, for both CMFOptions and CMFEmployment
modules, where I try to add a blark weblog and I get a "Cannot find Server"
page. BUT when I go back to the portal, the cmf has created the weblog, I
can view the help files, but when I try to add additional content, the page
is not being found?!?

Where as with the cmf employment module this restarts the whole zserver, but
does not give any traceback errors.

CMF Options is it compatable with zope2.4.0 and cmf 1.1?

Has any one had the same problems

Cheers

Norman






From robert@redcor.ch  Fri Jul 27 12:32:04 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:32:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
References: <B784E471.3138C%marc@bowery.com> <15200.26603.774389.200148@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <001601c1168f$c2fb2d60$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>

In the user interface however case sensitivenes is a pain in the bak

robert


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dieter Maurer" <dieter@handshake.de>
To: "marc lindahl" <marc@bowery.com>
Cc: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?


> marc lindahl writes:
>  > I noticed that the the usernames are case sensitive... isnt' that a net
>  > no-no?
> We live in 2001 not in 1975....
>
>   Nowadays, all computer keyboards should have both upper and
>   lower case letters and all gateways should be able to
>   transmit at least 7bit ASCII if not even 8bit data.
>
>   No longer any reason to be case insensitive....
>
>
> Dieter
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jul 27 13:17:15 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:17:15 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Returning XML documents from CMF
In-Reply-To: <694C70899F90D4118C4400D0B74741600DA3DA@VOYAGER>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHKEDFCDAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

XIST looks interesting too -

http://www.livinglogic.de/Python/xist/

"XIST is an XML based extensible HTML generator written in Python. XIST is
also a DOM parser (built on top of SAX2) with a very simple and pythonesque
tree API. Every XML element type corresponds to a Python class and these
Python classes provide a conversion method to transform the XML tree (e.g.
into HTML). XIST can be considered »object oriented XSL«."

Cheers, Jon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc van Grootel (Mendez Nederland)
> [mailto:Marc.van.Grootel@mendez.nl]
> Sent: 18 July 2001 17:19

> Reminds me of a perl module by Matt Sergeant. It has a nice
> method of getting from form input to xml (and vice versa) using xpath.
> I quite liked the idea.
> (see http://theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca/CPAN/data/CGI-XMLForm/README.html)
> BTW his more recent Axkit could contain some other neat ideas
> (see http://www.axkit.org)
>
> --Marc
>



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri Jul 27 13:38:23 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:38:23 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
References: <B785F232.314D9%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <3B6160BF.DBF88E77@nipltd.com>

marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> would be integrated with the acl_user names.  Since, I believe, most mailers
> ignore case, this would then present a problem if you had multiple users
> distinguished only by their casing.

Well, yes, having two usernames that belonged to seperate people distinguished
only by case would be silly.

That doesn't necessarily equate to usernames being caseless.

cheers,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri Jul 27 13:38:42 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:38:42 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
References: <B784E471.3138C%marc@bowery.com> <15200.26603.774389.200148@lindm.dm> <001601c1168f$c2fb2d60$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
Message-ID: <3B6160D2.E00E69EE@nipltd.com>

Robert Rottermann wrote:
> 
> In the user interface however case sensitivenes is a pain in the bak

Indeed :-S

Chris


From norman@bmpublications.co.uk  Fri Jul 27 15:51:59 2001
From: norman@bmpublications.co.uk (Norman Khine)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:51:59 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFOptions 1.1 and Zope2.4.0
In-Reply-To: <000c01c11691$5394e360$1a931340@NETKOOK>
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOIEBFCMAA.norman@bmpublications.co.uk>

Hi Jeff,
Perhaps you are right, I did read somewhere that CMF 1.1 is not compatable,
but all standard modules are running fine under zope2.4.0, I am only having
problems with the additional products such as Options, Employment, having
said that Event is working fine.

regards

norman



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Sasmor [mailto:jeff@janix.com]
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:43 PM
To: Norman Khine
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFOptions 1.1 and Zope2.4.0


CMFOptions must be version 1.1 to work with CMF 1.1.
I was under the impression that CMF 1.1 was not
compatible with Zope 2.4, but perhaps I am wrong.

I have not tried CMFOptions with CMF1.1/Zope 2.4

Jeff Sasmor
jeff@sasmor.com
www.netkook.com is an "open Zope CMF site"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman Khine" <norman@bmpublications.co.uk>
To: "Zope-Cmf" <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 6:25 AM
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFOptions 1.1 and Zope2.4.0


> Hello,
> I am having problems with this setup, for both CMFOptions and
CMFEmployment
> modules, where I try to add a blark weblog and I get a "Cannot find
Server"
> page. BUT when I go back to the portal, the cmf has created the weblog, I
> can view the help files, but when I try to add additional content, the
page
> is not being found?!?
>
> Where as with the cmf employment module this restarts the whole zserver,
but
> does not give any traceback errors.
>
> CMF Options is it compatable with zope2.4.0 and cmf 1.1?
>
> Has any one had the same problems
>
> Cheers
>
> Norman
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests
>





From renato@open4.it  Fri Jul 27 16:16:53 2001
From: renato@open4.it (Renato Ramonda)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:16:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] DCWorkflow problems with the Hotfix_2001_07_25
Message-ID: <20010727171653.26453b71.renato@open4.it>

Hi everibody,
has anyone tried the Hotfix_2001_07_25 on a Zope+CMF+DCWorkflow?

On my machines (Zope 2.3.2 and 2.3.3 + CMF 1.1 + DCWorkflow 0.2)
when I try to access the "Transitions", "Variables" or "Worklist" 
tab I get the following error:

Error Type: AttributeError
Error Value: 'None' object has no attribute 'replace'

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in publish_module
  File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish
  File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish
  File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: manage_main)
  File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in call_object
    (Object: manage_main)
  File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/Products/DCWorkflow/Transitions.py, line 215, in manage_main
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 324, in __call__
    (Object: _manage_transitions)
  File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 354, in _bindAndExec
    (Object: _manage_transitions)
  File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 236, in _exec
    (Object: _manage_transitions)
  File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line 719, in renderwob
    (Object: values)
  File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/Products/DCWorkflow/Transitions.py, line 137, in getGuardSummary
    (Object: hide)
  File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/Products/DCWorkflow/Guard.py, line 170, in getSummary
  File /usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/cgi.py, line 1350, in escape
AttributeError: (see above)


Any insights on what could cause this?
I removed the Hotfix product and all started working again...

-- 
Ciao,
    Renato Ramonda
-----------------------
     www.open4.it


From chrism@zope.com  Fri Jul 27 16:33:22 2001
From: chrism@zope.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:33:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] DCWorkflow problems with the Hotfix_2001_07_25
References: <20010727171653.26453b71.renato@open4.it>
Message-ID: <3B6189C2.407111E4@zope.com>

Renato,

Please try to download and install the hotfix again.  There was a "bad"
hotfix file up for a couple of hours, and you may have gotten that one.

Renato Ramonda wrote:
> 
> Hi everibody,
> has anyone tried the Hotfix_2001_07_25 on a Zope+CMF+DCWorkflow?
> 
> On my machines (Zope 2.3.2 and 2.3.3 + CMF 1.1 + DCWorkflow 0.2)
> when I try to access the "Transitions", "Variables" or "Worklist"
> tab I get the following error:
> 
> Error Type: AttributeError
> Error Value: 'None' object has no attribute 'replace'
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in publish_module
>   File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish
>   File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
>     (Object: Traversable)
>   File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish
>   File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
>     (Object: manage_main)
>   File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in call_object
>     (Object: manage_main)
>   File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/Products/DCWorkflow/Transitions.py, line 215, in manage_main
>     (Object: Traversable)
>   File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 324, in __call__
>     (Object: _manage_transitions)
>   File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 354, in _bindAndExec
>     (Object: _manage_transitions)
>   File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 236, in _exec
>     (Object: _manage_transitions)
>   File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line 719, in renderwob
>     (Object: values)
>   File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/Products/DCWorkflow/Transitions.py, line 137, in getGuardSummary
>     (Object: hide)
>   File /home/renato/zope1/lib/python/Products/DCWorkflow/Guard.py, line 170, in getSummary
>   File /usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/cgi.py, line 1350, in escape
> AttributeError: (see above)
> 
> Any insights on what could cause this?
> I removed the Hotfix product and all started working again...
> 
> --
> Ciao,
>     Renato Ramonda
> -----------------------
>      www.open4.it
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests

-- 
Chris McDonough                           Zope Corporation
http://www.zope.org                    http://www.zope.com

""" Killing hundreds of birds with thousands of stones """


From andrew@digicool.com  Fri Jul 27 17:12:15 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:12:15 -0400
Subject: FW: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOCEACCBAA.andrew@digicool.com>

Forgot to cc the list
.....................


Update your CVS checkout and let me know if you still experience the
problem.
I've updated all of the new skin look and feel templates that I have been
working on.  It's not complete, but I'd like some feedback from those of you
using ZPT.  More changes will be ocurring throughout the day; but the new
skin's are generally done beyond cleaning up and ensuring the stylesheets
work as expected.  They've only been testing in IE, Opera, and possibly
Mozilla.  I'm not worrying about supporting Netscape at this point.  Once
they're done and most of the bugs are cleared up; I might see about making
them look good in Netscape.
Thanks,
Andrew
> Hi again
>
> Just to let you know about my experiences with the current zpt
> skins before
> you commit the new ones:
>
> I upgraded to python-2.1.1 and zope-2.4 - every thing is ok except
> /portal_skins/zpt_generic/folder_contents which barfs on:
>
>     filter python: here.decodeFolderFilter(filterString);
>



From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul 27 17:38:24 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:38:24 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
In-Reply-To: <20010727105448.B8873@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <B787113F.315FF%marc@bowery.com>


> From: seb bacon <seb@jamkit.com>
> 
> Nah, that wan't sarcastic IMO.

Ok, it's me... I can accept that :)


> 
> You definitely have a point here about usability.  It would be simple
> enough to force usernames to lowercase.  In your email example,
> however, it wouldn't be a problem, since email addresses are a
> completely separate field from user names.

It is now...  but I'm talking about something like hotmail or yahoo, where
email is integrated into the system.  So when you sign up, you get no only
your home page, but an email address to go with it.  Still figuring out how
exactly this will all work, but for sure, there has to be only one username
and password, not two.



> From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> 
> That doesn't necessarily equate to usernames being caseless.

True, but for usability, you would want that (e.g. string.lower before
authenticating), since it makes the system easier to use.

I've noticed that a lot of teenagers lIkE tO tYpE lIkE tHiS - then they
forget what they did and make a new user...  so if you're creating a
many-to-one mapping for authenticating (e.g. by string.lower for excluding
'as used' new usernames, as you suggest) then the username itself should
also use the same mapping, so you get a complete coverage of input values.


So... I think that, the username could be stored with case, but the
authentication (and therefore testing new usernames for previous use) could
use string.lower.  That way, once the user logs on, they'll see their
originally-cased username - gently showing them what the mapping is (and
perhaps training them for a case-sensitive existence!) while still letting
them log in.

hmmm... not sure where to do this... BasicUserFolder.authenticate() ?



From marc@bowery.com  Fri Jul 27 17:39:35 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:39:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOCEACCBAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <B7871186.31600%marc@bowery.com>

I was looking for the CVS module for ZPT - where is it?

> From: "Andrew Sawyers" <andrew@digicool.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:12:15 -0400
> To: "Zope-CMF" <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> Subject: FW: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
> 
> Forgot to cc the list
> .....................
> 
> 
> Update your CVS checkout and let me know if you still experience the
> problem.
> I've updated all of the new skin look and feel templates that I have been
> working on.  It's not complete, but I'd like some feedback from those of you
> using ZPT.  More changes will be ocurring throughout the day; but the new
> skin's are generally done beyond cleaning up and ensuring the stylesheets
> work as expected.  They've only been testing in IE, Opera, and possibly
> Mozilla.  I'm not worrying about supporting Netscape at this point.  Once
> they're done and most of the bugs are cleared up; I might see about making
> them look good in Netscape.
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>> Hi again
>> 
>> Just to let you know about my experiences with the current zpt
>> skins before
>> you commit the new ones:
>> 
>> I upgraded to python-2.1.1 and zope-2.4 - every thing is ok except
>> /portal_skins/zpt_generic/folder_contents which barfs on:
>> 
>> filter python: here.decodeFolderFilter(filterString);
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests



From love@formylove.org  Fri Jul 27 18:05:15 2001
From: love@formylove.org (love@formylove.org)
Date: 27 Jul 2001 10:05:15 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Conditionals in PortalCatalog.searchResults
Message-ID: <20010727170515.1769.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net>

Is it possible to pass portal_catalog.searchResults() a conditional argument such as: "id=foo or title=difffoo"?

Thanks
Bryan

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From love@formylove.org  Fri Jul 27 18:08:29 2001
From: love@formylove.org (love@formylove.org)
Date: 27 Jul 2001 10:08:29 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Conditionals in PortalCatalog.searchResults
Message-ID: <20010727170829.1911.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net>

Is it possible to pass portal_catalog.searchResults() a conditional argument such as: "id=foo or title=difffoo"?

Thanks
Bryan

In Love we live when love we seek and love we remember.
-------------------------------------
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Plus free email and a personal portal 
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From andrew@digicool.com  Fri Jul 27 18:52:46 2001
From: andrew@digicool.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:52:46 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <B7871186.31600%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOKEACCBAA.andrew@digicool.com>

It's in CVS under Products/PageTemplates
Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of marc lindahl
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:40 PM
> To: Andrew Sawyers; Zope-CMF
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
>
>
> I was looking for the CVS module for ZPT - where is it?
>
> > From: "Andrew Sawyers" <andrew@digicool.com>
> > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:12:15 -0400
> > To: "Zope-CMF" <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> > Subject: FW: Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
> >
> > Forgot to cc the list
> > .....................
> >
> >
> > Update your CVS checkout and let me know if you still experience the
> > problem.
> > I've updated all of the new skin look and feel templates that I
> have been
> > working on.  It's not complete, but I'd like some feedback from
> those of you
> > using ZPT.  More changes will be ocurring throughout the day;
> but the new
> > skin's are generally done beyond cleaning up and ensuring the
> stylesheets
> > work as expected.  They've only been testing in IE, Opera, and possibly
> > Mozilla.  I'm not worrying about supporting Netscape at this
> point.  Once
> > they're done and most of the bugs are cleared up; I might see
> about making
> > them look good in Netscape.
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> >> Hi again
> >>
> >> Just to let you know about my experiences with the current zpt
> >> skins before
> >> you commit the new ones:
> >>
> >> I upgraded to python-2.1.1 and zope-2.4 - every thing is ok except
> >> /portal_skins/zpt_generic/folder_contents which barfs on:
> >>
> >> filter python: here.decodeFolderFilter(filterString);
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> >
> > See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> > requests
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and
> feature requests
>



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Fri Jul 27 19:40:01 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:40:01 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Set a member property outside out the personalize form
Message-ID: <01072720400102.01833@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello

I need to set a member property outside of the personalize_form.

I have tried with this code:
<dtml-call "portal_registration.setProperties(guid)">

the guid argument contains a string

What is wrong then ??

The member property is there and is also called guid

Regards,
-- 
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MMmanager.org Aps, Denmark

Phone: +45 29 72 79 72
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From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 27 20:28:03 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:28:03 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF Weekly News number 6
Message-ID: <20010727202803.A11516@lenin.jamkit.com>

I'm pleased to announce the return of the weekly news.  There seems
to be something up with the dogbowl - perhaps something to do with
ZEO?  Anyways, I can't post it there, so I've submitted it to zope.org
instead for now.  It might appear at

  http://www.zope.org/Members/beacon/20010727/

sometime soon.  In the meantime, a copy is included below.

A quick plea for help: it seems Jon and I can't quite manage
the weekly news every single week.  If anyone else can help out,
it would be really nice.  ZC pay about $900 for each news article you
write.  

Only kidding.  (Made you sit up though.)  But you *do* get to know
exactly what's been going on, and of course tons of fan mail in your
inbox. 

seb

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Zope Weekly News Number 6

  A mini-news this week.  The weekly news hasn't been weekly for 
  a while since your hosts have been too busy.  Here's a quick 
  update of the things that might be of interest.  It would 
  have been longer, but half of it disappeared into a strange 
  emacs wormhole...

Meaningless Statistics

  In the last 3 weeks there have been 556 messages and 98 
  contributors.

  Since we started the weekly news there has been an average of 
  200 messages per week.

  There are 28 open issues in the Tracker, of which 2 are 
  accepted and 26 pending.  3 have been resolved since the last
  news (6th July).

Zope Corp Events

  There have been some fairly major events.  DC became ZC, the 
  CVS was migrated on 16th July (don't forget you'll need to do 
  a fresh checkout), and Zope 2.4 was released.
  http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008501.html

  With the release of Zope 2.4, some minor incompatibilities were 
  reported, along with some fixes.  Andrew's been working on 
  getting CMFDecor up to date with a new skin.  Even I'm thinking 
  of finally taking the ZPT leap - it all looks very cool.
  http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008721.html

Workflow Frenzy

  It seems that the most common topic of conversation has been the 
  workflow.

  jack-e posted a nice visualisation of the default workflow 
  state machine.
  http://cmf.zope.org/Members/jack-e/WorkflowDesign/CMFWorkflow

  Jeff suggested making a workflow which talks XML, in order to 
  make a workflow GUI using SVG (Structured Vector Graphics - 
  think XML-based flash).
  http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008182.html 

  The release of OpenWorkflow (which is a Zope workflow engine, 
  rather than a CMF engine) prompted some interesting discussion 
  about the CMF's workflow offering.
  http://www.zope.org/Members/vds/OpenFlow 
  http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008714.html

  Exchanges about where responsability for indexing lies
  had us agreeing that the new Events channel is where it's at.  
  Tres expects the standalone events module the ZC folks have been 
  working on to be in the CVS in the next few weeks.  He also 
  revealed that the tooth fairy is *not* a ZC employee.
  http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008476.html
  http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008622.html

The Windows - Linux Skins Compatibility Thing

  An ongoing bug is closer to being solved: when transfering CMFs between
  platforms, the contents of the skins folders have a habit of disappearing.

  Eric encountered the problem when working with ZEO, and suspected 
  '/' versus '\' path names.  Robert confirmed it.  
  http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008640.html
  http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-July/008677.html



From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 27 20:35:41 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:35:41 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Set a member property outside out the personalize form
In-Reply-To: <01072720400102.01833@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>; from gitte@mmmanager.org on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:40:01PM +0200
References: <01072720400102.01833@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <20010727203540.E11516@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> [010727 19:48]:
> I have tried with this code:
> <dtml-call "portal_registration.setProperties(guid)">
> 
> the guid argument contains a string
> 
> What is wrong then ??

You need to call setProperties with keyword arguments:

  <dtml-call "portal_registration.setProperties(guid=guid)">

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 27 20:36:41 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:36:41 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Conditionals in PortalCatalog.searchResults
In-Reply-To: <20010727170515.1769.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net>; from love@formylove.org on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 10:05:15AM -0700
References: <20010727170515.1769.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <20010727203640.F11516@lenin.jamkit.com>

* love@formylove.org <love@formylove.org> [010727 18:10]:
> Is it possible to pass portal_catalog.searchResults() a conditional
> argument such as: "id=foo or title=difffoo"? 

Yes.  Use it just like a normal catalog.  Check out the chapter in the
Zope Book an Catalogs for syntax, if you're not sure.

seb


From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jul 27 20:49:00 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:49:00 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Customizing portal_types
In-Reply-To: <20010726124439.71182.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com>; from vaulnette@yahoo.fr on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:44:39PM +0200
References: <20010726124439.71182.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010727204859.G11516@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Valérie Aulnette <vaulnette@yahoo.fr> [010726 13:48]:
> Hi !
> 
> I need to modify some methods in
> CMFDefault.Document.py.
> For that, I used inheritance but I don't know how to
> attach my new file to CMF so that CMF recognize my
> methods and not the default ones.
> 
> I need to change the function addDocument as well : is
> it possible to modify it using inheritance ? (as it
> doesn't belong to a class...?)
> 
> Any hints or documentation that could help me ?

Look in __init__.py and Portal.py to see how Document is added, and
copy that.

You can't inherit the addDocument constructor, so you might as well
just rewrite it.

Cheers,

seb


From dieter@handshake.de  Fri Jul 27 18:52:28 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:52:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
In-Reply-To: <001601c1168f$c2fb2d60$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
References: <B784E471.3138C%marc@bowery.com>
 <001601c1168f$c2fb2d60$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
Message-ID: <15201.43612.689056.966954@lindm.dm>

Robert Rottermann writes:
 > In the user interface however case sensitivenes is a pain in the bak
Why?

Personnaly, I only met problems with case insensitive systems
(such as DOS, Windows and Corba-IDL).


Dieter


From augusto@artlover.com  Fri Jul 27 21:31:24 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:31:24 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to perform a simple list of replies to a discussable object?
Message-ID: <004d01c116db$1ad17cb0$850a000a@2ausumserver>

I'm trying to perform a plain list (not tree-like) of all the current
replies (attributes included) to a particular discussable object. Although
I've looked at the methods currently available at DiscussionItem.py, and
tried with the most appealing like getreplyResults() and  getReplies(), I
haven't suceeded.

"talkback.getReplies()"  retrieves an instance, but when itemized using
dtml-in, the results are still nested one in another.   getreplyResults()
doesn't retrieve anything at all.

I also tried to iterate the objects within de container, and although
"talback.objectIds()" seems to be the only thing currently working,  it
doesn't let to get the properties, whatever I've tried; objectValues() tries
to break a security layer and ask for authentication; and objectItems()
causes an error, guess related to the previous security issue.

Obviously I'm quite confused. Does anyone in the list tried this and have
this feature working. ( a plain simple, not in tree, list of replies
including its titles and texts)? Would you please paste the code as well?
:)

Thanks in advance,


Ausum



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sat Jul 28 13:15:44 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:15:44 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Restricting Creation of ContentTypes to specific Roles.
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOGEODCLAA.norman@bmpublications.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3B62ACF0.953EF277@nipltd.com>

Norman Khine wrote:
> 
> cmf. In perticular I would like to understand the mechanism which controls
> what a Member can add to the portal, for example:
> 
> If I create the following roles:
> 
> News_Editor - this person can only add NewsItems
> Document_Editor - this person can only add DocumentItems
> Members - they can only add folders, images, files and URL links

You can only do this messilly right now by fiddling with the view permission on
the Type objects in the PortalTypes tool :-(

So, News_Editor would onyl have the view permission of the NewsItems Type
object.

cheers,

Chris


From mark.langkau@pbmplus.com  Sat Jul 28 13:20:57 2001
From: mark.langkau@pbmplus.com (Mark Langkau)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 07:20:57 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFTracker - missing Install.py
Message-ID: <3B62AE29.69F2C52F@execpc.com>

Hi,

I'd like to try out the CMFTracker from the CVS checkout. However, when
I tried the installation instructions I got an error setting up the
external method for the install script. It's not there.

I realize this is not yet supported. I've now downloaded the Tracker
product (TrackerBase) and will use that instead for now. I'm just
curious when CMFTracker might be ready to use? If someone has
installation instructions for the product as it exists now I'd really
like to try it out and provide feedback.

Our internal CMF pilot is really taking off. I'd like to stay within CMF
as much as possible.

Cheers,
Mark



From wilson@visi.com  Sat Jul 28 14:49:26 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 08:49:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFTracker - missing Install.py
In-Reply-To: <3B62AE29.69F2C52F@execpc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107280848300.14640-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Mark Langkau wrote:

> I'd like to try out the CMFTracker from the CVS checkout. However, when
> I tried the installation instructions I got an error setting up the
> external method for the install script. It's not there.

The CMFTracker currently in CVS is really just a skeleton for the future
product. Nothing to install yet.

-Tim

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From khine@btinternet.com  Sat Jul 28 15:31:58 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 15:31:58 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Restricting Creation of ContentTypes to specific Roles.
In-Reply-To: <3B62ACF0.953EF277@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOCEGFCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Thanks for your reply Chris,
Do you know if there would be any plans to implement this type of
functionality within the portal_memberdata, perhaps something like a
workflow/associations, or have I missed the point somewhere?

What I mean by associations is to allow in the meta-types to specify which
users are able to work with these objects.

Regards

Norman
-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Chris Withers
Sent: 28 July 2001 13:16
To: Norman Khine
Cc: Zope-Cmf
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Restricting Creation of ContentTypes to specific
Roles.


Norman Khine wrote:
>
> cmf. In perticular I would like to understand the mechanism which controls
> what a Member can add to the portal, for example:
>
> If I create the following roles:
>
> News_Editor - this person can only add NewsItems
> Document_Editor - this person can only add DocumentItems
> Members - they can only add folders, images, files and URL links

You can only do this messilly right now by fiddling with the view permission
on
the Type objects in the PortalTypes tool :-(

So, News_Editor would onyl have the view permission of the NewsItems Type
object.

cheers,

Chris

_______________________________________________
Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf

See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests




From marc@bowery.com  Sat Jul 28 15:56:06 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 10:56:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Restricting Creation of ContentTypes to specific
 Roles.
In-Reply-To: <3B62ACF0.953EF277@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <B7884AC6.316D2%marc@bowery.com>

Actually, it's the " Access contents information " permission.  You want to
disable 'acquire permission settings' for that one (in the security tab of
the portal_type you're working on), and enable it only for the roles you
want it to appear for.  Leave all the other wones (since, e.g., you want
whoever (members, etc) to view the documents once added, if I understand you
correctly).

> From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> Organization: New Information Paradigms
> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:15:44 +0100
> To: Norman Khine <norman@bmpublications.co.uk>
> Cc: Zope-Cmf <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Restricting Creation of ContentTypes to specific
> Roles.
> 
> Norman Khine wrote:
>> 
>> cmf. In perticular I would like to understand the mechanism which controls
>> what a Member can add to the portal, for example:
>> 
>> If I create the following roles:
>> 
>> News_Editor - this person can only add NewsItems
>> Document_Editor - this person can only add DocumentItems
>> Members - they can only add folders, images, files and URL links
> 
> You can only do this messilly right now by fiddling with the view permission
> on
> the Type objects in the PortalTypes tool :-(
> 
> So, News_Editor would onyl have the view permission of the NewsItems Type
> object.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests



From marc@bowery.com  Sat Jul 28 15:58:14 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 10:58:14 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Restricting Creation of ContentTypes to specific
 Roles.
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOCEGFCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <B7884B46.316D3%marc@bowery.com>


> From: "Norman Khine" <khine@btinternet.com>
>
> Do you know if there would be any plans to implement this type of
> functionality within the portal_memberdata, perhaps something like a
> workflow/associations, or have I missed the point somewhere?
> 
> What I mean by associations is to allow in the meta-types to specify which
> users are able to work with these objects.

I dunno... it makes sense to do it in portal_types to me...



From khine@btinternet.com  Sat Jul 28 19:04:49 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:04:49 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to limit the number of News Items being displayed
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEGGCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hi,
Simple I think for those in the know;^)

Can you tell me how to limit the display of the news items to only show the
latest 5 published news items, anything beyond that to be in the more ....
link

Cheers

Norman
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From robert@redcor.ch  Sat Jul 28 19:17:40 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 20:17:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] can not add new CMF-type
Message-ID: <000b01c11791$96768110$e0a4023e@karin>

Hi there,

I created a new portal type based on portal folder.

Now I can add it to a site while in the ZMI. However when I am in "Folder
contents" in that same site I can not add it because it does not show up in
the list of objects.
I spent some time looking where and how that list of types is created but it
is still a mystery to me.

My questions:
 Where is the selection of portal_types created that is presented when
adding a new element .
 What can prevent a portal_type to be included.

Thanks for your time and have a nice weekend

Robert



From aeamalik@yahoo.com  Sat Jul 28 19:30:07 2001
From: aeamalik@yahoo.com (Amr Malik)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:30:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to use already existing products with CMF?
In-Reply-To: <20010727204859.G11516@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <20010728183007.92423.qmail@web11602.mail.yahoo.com>

Is there a way to use already existing products in a CMF portal? I'm thinking
of keeping the CMFDefault, but then add products like YiHaw, S[Q]uishdot,
FSPoll, ZopeGUD to it. Is it viable? What might be the way to have, for
example, the links under YiHaw cataloged using CMF?

The way I envision it, anonymous users will see the default view which will be
a regular page without the leftbox (actions) and will have a directory, and
other default stuff (polls, various generic sections, surveys). Once the user
logs in, they'll see their area and do the "adding of the content" type
activities.

I'm new to CMF and still trying to grok it, so apologies in advance if this
is too obvious a question!

TIA,

Amr


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From jens@zope.com  Sat Jul 28 19:35:43 2001
From: jens@zope.com (Jens Vagelpohl)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:35:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to limit the number of News Items being displayed
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEGGCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <20010728183639.56B4C13930@kermit.dataflake.org>

add the size argument to your dtml-in. something like...

<dtml-in expr="MethodThatGetsNewsItemsList()" size="5">
   ...
</dtml-in>

jens



On Saturday, July 28, 2001, at 02:04 , Norman Khine wrote:

> Hi,
> Simple I think for those in the know;^)
>
> Can you tell me how to limit the display of the news items to only show 
> the
> latest 5 published news items, anything beyond that to be in the more ...
> .
> link
>
> Cheers
>
> Norman
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> zz/********/z/****\zzz|****\*\zz|*******|z
> z/^^^^^^^^/z/******\zz|*^^^^|*|z|*|^^^^^|z norman khine
> zzzzzz/**/z|**/^^\**|z|*|zzz|*|z|*|zzzzzzz mailto:norman@khine.net
> zzzzz/**/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|****/*/zz|*****|zzz purley
> z/******/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|*|^^zzzzz|*|^^^|zzz UK
> zzZ/**/zzzz|**\^^/**|z|*|zzzzzzz|*|zzzzzzz
> zz/******/zz\******/zz|*|zzzzzzz|*|*****|z
> z/^^^^^^/zzzz\^^^^/zzz|^|zzzzzzz|^^^^^^^|z
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature 
> requests


From khine@btinternet.com  Sat Jul 28 23:16:27 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 23:16:27 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to limit the number of News Items being displayed
In-Reply-To: <20010728183639.56B4C13930@kermit.dataflake.org>
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEGICGAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hi Jens,
Thanks, pretty simple, one thing though I am not sure if its me but from the

<dtml-in "portal_catalog.searchResults( meta_type='News Item'
                                        , sort_on='Date'
                                        , sort_order='reverse'
                                        , review_state='published'
                                        )" size="4">

I change the size="1", and it renders only one news story, the same is true
for 2 and 3; BUT if I have 4, 5 it shows all six news items.

I only have so far six news items, for some reason it doesn't like anything
above 3.

Can somebody confirm this.

Thanks

Norman

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Jens Vagelpohl
Sent: 28 July 2001 19:36
To: Norman Khine
Cc: Zope-CMF
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] How to limit the number of News Items being
displayed


add the size argument to your dtml-in. something like...

<dtml-in expr="MethodThatGetsNewsItemsList()" size="5">
   ...
</dtml-in>

jens



On Saturday, July 28, 2001, at 02:04 , Norman Khine wrote:

> Hi,
> Simple I think for those in the know;^)
>
> Can you tell me how to limit the display of the news items to only show
> the
> latest 5 published news items, anything beyond that to be in the more ...
> .
> link
>
> Cheers
>
> Norman
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> zz/********/z/****\zzz|****\*\zz|*******|z
> z/^^^^^^^^/z/******\zz|*^^^^|*|z|*|^^^^^|z norman khine
> zzzzzz/**/z|**/^^\**|z|*|zzz|*|z|*|zzzzzzz mailto:norman@khine.net
> zzzzz/**/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|****/*/zz|*****|zzz purley
> z/******/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|*|^^zzzzz|*|^^^|zzz UK
> zzZ/**/zzzz|**\^^/**|z|*|zzzzzzz|*|zzzzzzz
> zz/******/zz\******/zz|*|zzzzzzz|*|*****|z
> z/^^^^^^/zzzz\^^^^/zzz|^|zzzzzzz|^^^^^^^|z
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests

_______________________________________________
Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf

See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests




From steve@spvi.com  Sat Jul 28 23:21:18 2001
From: steve@spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 17:21:18 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to limit the number of News Items being displayed
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEGICGAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <200107282229.f6SMTIK94209@obsidian.spvi.com>

Hi Norman,

	The 'in' tag has the concept of 'orphans' so 'size' is a sort of 
'target' but you'll get more if the number of items left over is 
'small'. You can force orphans to be ignored by setting 'orphan="0"'

 From the  DTML ref:

Note that in the previous example the size of the last batch is six. 
This is because the dtml-in tag has a feature which attempts to prevent 
the display of very small batches by combining them with adjacent 
batches. Normally, if the number of rows in a batch is less than or 
equal to two, then it is combined with an adjacent batch. The orphan 
attribute in the dtml-in tag can be used to provide an alternative 
setting. The value provided in an orphan attribute is the desired 
minimum batch size. The default setting for an orphan attribute is 3 
(three).

On Saturday, July 28, 2001, at 05:16 PM, Norman Khine wrote:

> Hi Jens,
> Thanks, pretty simple, one thing though I am not sure if its me but 
> from the
>
> <dtml-in "portal_catalog.searchResults( meta_type='News Item'
>                                         , sort_on='Date'
>                                         , sort_order='reverse'
>                                         , review_state='published'
>                                         )" size="4">
>
> I change the size="1", and it renders only one news story, the same is 
> true
> for 2 and 3; BUT if I have 4, 5 it shows all six news items.
>
> I only have so far six news items, for some reason it doesn't like 
> anything
> above 3.
>
> Can somebody confirm this.
>
> Thanks
>
> Norman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Jens Vagelpohl
> Sent: 28 July 2001 19:36
> To: Norman Khine
> Cc: Zope-CMF
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] How to limit the number of News Items being
> displayed
>
>
> add the size argument to your dtml-in. something like...
>
> <dtml-in expr="MethodThatGetsNewsItemsList()" size="5">
>    ...
> </dtml-in>
>
> jens
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 28, 2001, at 02:04 , Norman Khine wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Simple I think for those in the know;^)
>>
>> Can you tell me how to limit the display of the news items to only show
>> the
>> latest 5 published news items, anything beyond that to be in the 
>> more ...
>> .
>> link
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Norman
>> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>> zz/********/z/****\zzz|****\*\zz|*******|z
>> z/^^^^^^^^/z/******\zz|*^^^^|*|z|*|^^^^^|z norman khine
>> zzzzzz/**/z|**/^^\**|z|*|zzz|*|z|*|zzzzzzz mailto:norman@khine.net
>> zzzzz/**/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|****/*/zz|*****|zzz purley
>> z/******/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|*|^^zzzzz|*|^^^|zzz UK
>> zzZ/**/zzzz|**\^^/**|z|*|zzzzzzz|*|zzzzzzz
>> zz/******/zz\******/zz|*|zzzzzzz|*|*****|z
>> z/^^^^^^/zzzz\^^^^/zzz|^|zzzzzzz|^^^^^^^|z
>> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>>
>> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and 
>> feature
>> requests
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
> requests
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and 
> feature requests


From tol@tanghus.dk  Sun Jul 29 08:12:45 2001
From: tol@tanghus.dk (Thomas Olsen)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 09:12:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor search result (was: CMFDecor troubles)
In-Reply-To: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOCEACCBAA.andrew@digicool.com>
References: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOCEACCBAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010729071252.BC6B4396ED@aadal.tanghus.dk>

On Friday 27 July 2001 18:12, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> I've updated all of the new skin look and feel templates that I have been
> working on.  It's not complete, but I'd like some feedback from those of
> you using ZPT. 

In zpt_generic/search line thirtyish:

 <td tal:define="global objURL python: results.getURL() + '/view'">
<span tal:condition="results/getIcon|nothing">
<a href="" tal:attributes="href objURL"><img src="" border="0" alt="" title=""
	                                              tal:define="alt results/Type"
-	                                              tal:attributes="src 
results/portal_url/iconHTML; alt alt; title alt">
+	                                              tal:attributes="src 
results/getIcon; alt alt; title alt">
	 </a>
</span>
</td>


-- 
Regards
Thomas Olsen


From robert@redcor.ch  Sun Jul 29 08:24:14 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 09:24:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] can not add new CMF-type
References: <000b01c11791$96768110$e0a4023e@karin> <20010728202921.A13630@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <001701c117ff$78db1e90$e0a4023e@karin>

Thanks for your tip,

I see that the list is filtered. However I do not find the piece of code
where that list is built.

When I look at the html code that is sent to the browser I find
"folder_factories" as the method that is called.
But alas, searching all files does not reveal such a method.

Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "seb bacon" <seb@jamkit.com>
To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] can not add new CMF-type


> This can be hard to debug.  The list is filtered by the
> allowedContentTypes method in PortalFolder, which lists products,
> checks they're permitted by the 'filter content types' Type attribute,
> and tries to work out the permission on the factory method of the
> Type.  First you should check the 'filter content types' stuff in the
> TypesTool.  Then it could be one of a number of problems with the
> TypeInformation, such as the wrong product name, the wrong factory
> name, etc.  However, because you can add something through the ZMI,
> this is unlikely.
>
> Anyway, hope that helps a bit.
>
> seb
>
> * Robert Rottermann <robert@redcor.ch> [010728 19:17]:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I created a new portal type based on portal folder.
> >
> > Now I can add it to a site while in the ZMI. However when I am in
"Folder
> > contents" in that same site I can not add it because it does not show up
in
> > the list of objects.
> > I spent some time looking where and how that list of types is created
but it
> > is still a mystery to me.
> >
> > My questions:
> >  Where is the selection of portal_types created that is presented when
> > adding a new element .
> >  What can prevent a portal_type to be included.
> >
> > Thanks for your time and have a nice weekend
> >
> > Robert
>



From khine@btinternet.com  Sun Jul 29 11:20:49 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:20:49 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is there a way to change the meta-type of a number of object types
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEGJCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hi,
I have over 300 Documents that are a document type, I have now created a new
type called Card which is based on the Document type, but this type only has
a number of Subject topics taken from the original Document type.

So now I want to take all Documents with the specific topics and make them
the new Card type.

I can create a Topic query which can list these items, but I don't think it
is possible to change them, or is it?

Where in the system, does an object stores these detail and can it be
changed?

Many thanks

Norman

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zz/********/z/****\zzz|****\*\zz|*******|z
z/^^^^^^^^/z/******\zz|*^^^^|*|z|*|^^^^^|z norman khine
zzzzzz/**/z|**/^^\**|z|*|zzz|*|z|*|zzzzzzz mailto:norman@khine.net
zzzzz/**/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|****/*/zz|*****|zzz purley
z/******/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|*|^^zzzzz|*|^^^|zzz UK
zzZ/**/zzzz|**\^^/**|z|*|zzzzzzz|*|zzzzzzz
zz/******/zz\******/zz|*|zzzzzzz|*|*****|z
z/^^^^^^/zzzz\^^^^/zzz|^|zzzzzzz|^^^^^^^|z
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From seb@jamkit.com  Sun Jul 29 12:22:40 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 12:22:40 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is there a way to change the meta-type of a number of object types
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEGJCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>; from khine@btinternet.com on Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 11:20:49AM +0100
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEGJCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <20010729122239.A23937@lenin.jamkit.com>

Because all your Documents are instances of a Document class, if your
Order class is different, you'll have to write a script to generate
new objects using the old data.  Something like

 for item in YourDocumentList:
   context.invokeFactory("Card", item.getId())
   context[item.getId()].edit(item.some_property, item.some_other_property)

That's a bit wrong, because you'll also want to get the correct folder
for the object rather than the current context, which you can get
using the getpath Catalog method...  

However, I'm not sure what you mean by 'Subject topics'.  If you've
just changed the metadata, but the actual instance is identical, you
can probably get away with changing the Type / meta_types of your
Document instances.  Not advisable though, if you subsequently change
the Card class.

Hopefully that points you in the right direction...

seb

* Norman Khine <khine@btinternet.com> [010729 11:13]:
> Hi,
> I have over 300 Documents that are a document type, I have now created a new
> type called Card which is based on the Document type, but this type only has
> a number of Subject topics taken from the original Document type.
> 
> So now I want to take all Documents with the specific topics and make them
> the new Card type.
> 
> I can create a Topic query which can list these items, but I don't think it
> is possible to change them, or is it?
> 
> Where in the system, does an object stores these detail and can it be
> changed?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Norman
> 
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> zz/********/z/****\zzz|****\*\zz|*******|z
> z/^^^^^^^^/z/******\zz|*^^^^|*|z|*|^^^^^|z norman khine
> zzzzzz/**/z|**/^^\**|z|*|zzz|*|z|*|zzzzzzz mailto:norman@khine.net
> zzzzz/**/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|****/*/zz|*****|zzz purley
> z/******/zz|*|zzzz|*|z|*|^^zzzzz|*|^^^|zzz UK
> zzZ/**/zzzz|**\^^/**|z|*|zzzzzzz|*|zzzzzzz
> zz/******/zz\******/zz|*|zzzzzzz|*|*****|z
> z/^^^^^^/zzzz\^^^^/zzz|^|zzzzzzz|^^^^^^^|z
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature requests

-- 

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From robert@redcor.ch  Sun Jul 29 11:58:22 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 12:58:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] can not add new CMF-type
References: <000b01c11791$96768110$e0a4023e@karin> <20010728202921.A13630@lenin.jamkit.com> <001701c117ff$78db1e90$e0a4023e@karin> <20010729112317.A23877@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <001301c1181d$62613320$e0a4023e@karin>

Thanks,
sometimes one just does not see the trees looking at all that wood..

Robert
PS:
don't forget
its Sunday, the sun is shining..
Just perfect to go and have a swim

It is what I am goanna do now
(in the Aare which happens to be the river flowing trough Bern)
----- Original Message -----
From: "seb bacon" <seb@jamkit.com>
To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] can not add new CMF-type


> > I see that the list is filtered. However I do not find the piece of code
> > where that list is built.
>
> From CMFDefault/skins/generic/folder_factories.dtml:
>
>      <dtml-in allowedContentTypes>
>
>        ... radio buttons, titles, descriptions ...
>
>      </dtml-in>
>
> From CMFDefault/PortalFolder.py:
>
>     security.declarePublic('allowedContentTypes')
>     def allowedContentTypes( self ):
>         """
>             List type info objects for types which can be added in
>             this folder.
>         """
>
> hth,
>
> seb
>
> > > This can be hard to debug.  The list is filtered by the
> > > allowedContentTypes method in PortalFolder, which lists products,
> > > checks they're permitted by the 'filter content types' Type attribute,
> > > and tries to work out the permission on the factory method of the
> > > Type.  First you should check the 'filter content types' stuff in the
> > > TypesTool.  Then it could be one of a number of problems with the
> > > TypeInformation, such as the wrong product name, the wrong factory
> > > name, etc.  However, because you can add something through the ZMI,
> > > this is unlikely.
> > >
> > > Anyway, hope that helps a bit.
> > >
> > > seb
> > >
> > > * Robert Rottermann <robert@redcor.ch> [010728 19:17]:
> > > > My questions:
> > > >  Where is the selection of portal_types created that is presented
when
> > > > adding a new element .
> > > >  What can prevent a portal_type to be included.
>



From tol@tanghus.dk  Sun Jul 29 12:06:56 2001
From: tol@tanghus.dk (Thomas Olsen)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 13:06:56 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor search form
References: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOCEACCBAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010729110658.D762C3969A@aadal.tanghus.dk>

On Friday 27 July 2001 18:12, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> I've updated all of the new skin look and feel templates that I have been
> working on.  It's not complete, but I'd like some feedback from those of
> you using ZPT.

As 'define' gets executed before 'condition' a small change has to be applied 
(zpt_generic/search_form around line 226):

  <option value=""
  tal:condition="python:not(here.portal_membership.isAnonymousUser())"
  tal:define="memberpython:here.portal_membership.getAuthenticatedMember(); 
-	lastLogin member/last_login_time"
+	lastLogin member/last_login_time|nothing"
  tal:attributes="value lastLogin">Last login</option>


-- 
Regards
Thomas Olsen


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun Jul 29 11:48:31 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:48:31 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Can't get tests to run :-S
Message-ID: <3B63E9FF.196C5893@nipltd.com>

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Hi guys,

I think I'm doing something wrong here. When I do:

E:\Zope\2.4.0>bin\python utilities\testrunner.py -d lib\python\Products\

...I just get loads and loads of import errors and not a single test runs :-S
I've attached the full list of errors if someone can take a look.

What should I be doing to get these to pass?

cheers,

Chris
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Running: lib\python\Products\CMFCalendar\tests\test_all.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "test_all.py", line 2, in ?
    from Products.CMFCalendar.tests import test_Event
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCalendar\__init__.py", line 85, in ?
    from Products.CMFDefault import Portal
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\__init__.py", line 90, in ?
    import Portal
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\Portal.py", line 86, in ?
    import Globals
  File "E:\Zope\242A6D~1.0\lib\python\Globals.py", line 90, in ?
    import Acquisition, ComputedAttribute, App.PersistentExtra, os
  File "E:\Zope\242A6D~1.0\lib\python\App\PersistentExtra.py", line 87, in ?
    from Persistence import Persistent
ImportError: cannot import name Persistent
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFCalendar\tests\test_all.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFCalendar\tests\test_Event.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCalendar\tests\test_Event.py", line 2, in ?
    import Zope
  File "E:\Zope\242A6D~1.0\lib\python\Zope\__init__.py", line 95, in ?
    import Globals, OFS.Application, sys
  File "E:\Zope\242A6D~1.0\lib\python\OFS\Application.py", line 90, in ?
    import Globals,Folder,os,sys,App.Product, App.ProductRegistry, misc_
  File "E:\Zope\242A6D~1.0\lib\python\OFS\Folder.py", line 94, in ?
    import Globals, SimpleItem, ObjectManager, PropertyManager
  File "E:\Zope\242A6D~1.0\lib\python\OFS\SimpleItem.py", line 95, in ?
    import re, sys, Globals, App.Management, Acquisition, App.Undo
  File "E:\Zope\242A6D~1.0\lib\python\App\Management.py", line 93, in ?
    from Dialogs import MessageDialog
  File "E:\Zope\242A6D~1.0\lib\python\App\Dialogs.py", line 109, in ?
    from Globals import HTML
ImportError: cannot import name HTML
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFCalendar\tests\test_Event.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFCore\tests\test_all.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\tests\test_all.py", line 2, in ?
    from Products.CMFCore.tests import test_ContentTypeRegistry
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\__init__.py", line 89, in ?
    import PortalObject, PortalContent, PortalFolder
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\PortalObject.py", line 86, in ?
    from Globals import default__class_init__
ImportError: cannot import name default__class_init__
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFCore\tests\test_all.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFCore\tests\test_ContentTypeRegistry.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\tests\test_ContentTypeRegistry.py", lin
e 4, in ?
    from Products.CMFCore.ContentTypeRegistry import *
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\ContentTypeRegistry.py", line 4, in ?
    from OFS.SimpleItem import SimpleItem, Item
ImportError: cannot import name SimpleItem
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFCore\tests\test_ContentTypeRegistry.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFCore\tests\test_PortalFolder.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\tests\test_PortalFolder.py", line 9, in
 ?
    from Products.CMFCore.TypesTool import TypesTool, FactoryTypeInformation
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\TypesTool.py", line 93, in ?
    from Globals import InitializeClass, DTMLFile
ImportError: cannot import name InitializeClass
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFCore\tests\test_PortalFolder.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFCore\tests\test_TypesTool.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\tests\test_TypesTool.py", line 6, in ?
    from Products.CMFCore.PortalContent import PortalContent
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\PortalContent.py", line 88, in ?
    from Globals import InitializeClass
ImportError: cannot import name InitializeClass
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFCore\tests\test_TypesTool.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFDecor\tests\test_all.py


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ran 0 tests in 0.000s

OK
Running: lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_all.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_all.py", line 2, in ?
    from Products.CMFDefault.tests import test_Discussions
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_Discussions.py", line 7,
in ?
    from Products.CMFCore.CatalogTool import CatalogTool
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\CatalogTool.py", line 93, in ?
    from utils import UniqueObject, _checkPermission, _getAuthenticatedUser
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\utils.py", line 92, in ?
    from AccessControl.Role import gather_permissions
  File "E:\Zope\242A6D~1.0\lib\python\AccessControl\Role.py", line 90, in ?
    from Globals import DTMLFile, MessageDialog, Dictionary
ImportError: cannot import name DTMLFile
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_all.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_Discussions.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_Discussions.py", line 7,
in ?
    from Products.CMFCore.CatalogTool import CatalogTool
ImportError: cannot import name CatalogTool
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_Discussions.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_Document.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_Document.py", line 2, in
?
    from Products.CMFDefault.Document import Document
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\Document.py", line 89, in ?
    import Globals, StructuredText, string, utils
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\utils.py", line 8, in ?
    from Globals import package_home
ImportError: cannot import name package_home
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_Document.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_Image.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_Image.py", line 3, in ?
    from Products.CMFDefault.Image import Image
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\Image.py", line 94, in ?
    from Globals import HTMLFile, HTML
ImportError: cannot import name HTMLFile
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_Image.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_join.py

E
======================================================================
ERROR: test_join (test_join.MembershipTests)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_join.py", line 8, in setU
p
    self.connection = Zope.DB.open()
AttributeError: 'Zope' module has no attribute 'DB'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ran 1 tests in 0.000s

FAILED (errors=1)
Running: lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_MetadataTool.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_MetadataTool.py", line 4,
 in ?
    from Products.CMFDefault.MetadataTool import *
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\MetadataTool.py", line 90, in ?
    from OFS.SimpleItem import SimpleItem
ImportError: cannot import name SimpleItem
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_MetadataTool.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_NewsItem.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_NewsItem.py", line 2, in
?
    from Products.CMFDefault.NewsItem import NewsItem
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\NewsItem.py", line 92, in ?
    from Globals import HTMLFile, HTML
ImportError: cannot import name HTMLFile
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_NewsItem.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_utils.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_utils.py", line 2, in ?
    from Products.CMFDefault.utils import parseHeadersBody
ImportError: cannot import name parseHeadersBody
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFDefault\tests\test_utils.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_all.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_all.py", line 2, in ?
    from Products.CMFTopic.tests import test_Topic
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTopic\__init__.py", line 86, in ?
    import Topic
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTopic\Topic.py", line 86, in ?
    from Globals import HTMLFile, package_home, InitializeClass
ImportError: cannot import name HTMLFile
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_all.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_DateC.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_DateC.py", line 2, in ?
    import Products.CMFTopic.DateCriteria
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTopic\DateCriteria.py", line 89, in ?
    from Topic import Topic
ImportError: cannot import name Topic
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_DateC.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_ListC.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_ListC.py", line 2, in ?
    import Products.CMFTopic.ListCriterion
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTopic\ListCriterion.py", line 89, in ?
    from Topic import Topic
ImportError: cannot import name Topic
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_ListC.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_SIC.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_SIC.py", line 2, in ?
    import Products.CMFTopic.SimpleIntCriterion
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTopic\SimpleIntCriterion.py", line 88, in ?
    from AbstractCriterion import AbstractCriterion
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTopic\AbstractCriterion.py", line 88, in ?
    from OFS.SimpleItem import Item
ImportError: cannot import name Item
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_SIC.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_SSC.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_SSC.py", line 2, in ?
    import Products.CMFTopic.SimpleStringCriterion
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTopic\SimpleStringCriterion.py", line 88, in
 ?
    from AbstractCriterion import AbstractCriterion
ImportError: cannot import name AbstractCriterion
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_SSC.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_Topic.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_Topic.py", line 6, in ?
    SSC = Products.CMFTopic.SimpleStringCriterion.SimpleStringCriterion
AttributeError: 'Products' module has no attribute 'CMFTopic'
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFTopic\tests\test_Topic.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFTracker\tests\test_all.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTracker\tests\test_all.py", line 2, in ?
    from Products.CMFTracker.tests import test_IssueDescription
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTracker\tests\test_IssueDescription.py", lin
e 2, in ?
    from Products.CMFTracker.tests.utils import *
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTracker\tests\utils.py", line 4, in ?
    from Products.CMFCore.PortalFolder import PortalFolder
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\PortalFolder.py", line 92, in ?
    import CMFCorePermissions
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\CMFCorePermissions.py", line 36, in ?
    setDefaultRoles( ListFolderContents, ( 'Manager', 'Owner' ) )
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFCore\CMFCorePermissions.py", line 25, in set
DefaultRoles
    setattr(Globals.ApplicationDefaultPermissions, mangled, roles)
AttributeError: 'Globals' module has no attribute 'ApplicationDefaultPermissions
'
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFTracker\tests\test_all.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFTracker\tests\test_IssueDescription.py

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 115, in runFile
  File "utilities\testrunner.py", line 59, in getSuiteFromFile
  File "E:\Zope\current\Products\CMFTracker\tests\test_IssueDescription.py", lin
e 4, in ?
    class TestIssueDescription( BaseTrackerTestCase ):
NameError: name 'BaseTrackerTestCase' is not defined
No test suite found in file:
lib\python\Products\CMFTracker\tests\test_IssueDescription.py


Running: lib\python\Products\CMFWiki\tests\test_all.py


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ran 0 tests in 0.000s

OK

Running: lib\python\Products\DCWorkflow\tests\test_all.py


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ran 0 tests in 0.000s

--------------30AB98D8BA17E0576AAE9A04--





From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun Jul 29 12:26:34 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 12:26:34 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] dtml-in comment
References: <200107282229.f6SMTIK94209@obsidian.spvi.com>
Message-ID: <3B63F2EA.6F13BC30@nipltd.com>

Steve Spicklemire wrote:
> 
> minimum batch size. The default setting for an orphan attribute is 3
> (three).

...and that's damn itrritating!

It should be zero.

cheers,

Chris


From seb@jamkit.com  Sun Jul 29 13:19:55 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 13:19:55 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] dtml-in comment
In-Reply-To: <3B63F2EA.6F13BC30@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 12:26:34PM +0100
References: <200107282229.f6SMTIK94209@obsidian.spvi.com> <3B63F2EA.6F13BC30@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010729131955.D23937@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010729 12:29]:
> Steve Spicklemire wrote:
> > 
> > minimum batch size. The default setting for an orphan attribute is 3
> > (three).
> 
> ...and that's damn itrritating!
> 
> It should be zero.

hear, hear!  

i submitted a feature request to the collector, but I doubt it'll ever
be highest priority :-(

http://classic.zope.org:8080/Collector/2468/view

seb


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun Jul 29 12:49:23 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 12:49:23 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] dtml-in comment
References: <200107282229.f6SMTIK94209@obsidian.spvi.com> <3B63F2EA.6F13BC30@nipltd.com> <20010729131955.D23937@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B63F843.9A8EC3A0@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> i submitted a feature request to the collector, but I doubt it'll ever
> be highest priority :-(

I don't think that's the problem. I could probably knock up a patch to fix this
in about 5-10 minutes.

ZC seem to have quite a few issues like this where lots of people are screaming
at them to change it but they never do. The usual reason given is along the
lines that backwards compatability needs to be maintained, but particularly in
this case, that doesn't realyl stand up since any backwards incompatability
would have at most minor impact.

just my 2p

Chris


From marc@bowery.com  Sun Jul 29 18:06:12 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 13:06:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] can not add new CMF-type
In-Reply-To: <001701c117ff$78db1e90$e0a4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <B789BAC4.11257%marc@bowery.com>


> From: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
> 
> When I look at the html code that is sent to the browser I find
> "folder_factories" as the method that is called.
> But alas, searching all files does not reveal such a method.

Usually, when something's 'called' in DTML, it's a DTML method, so look for
a file called folder_factories.dtml (that one's in skins/generic)


(I keep a copy of the source on my local machine, so I can use 'find files'
as well as the text editor's search capability)




From marc@bowery.com  Sun Jul 29 18:25:45 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 13:25:45 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is there a way to change the meta-type of a number
 of object types
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEGJCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <B789BF59.1125C%marc@bowery.com>


> From: "Norman Khine" <khine@btinternet.com>
> 
> I can create a Topic query which can list these items, but I don't think it
> is possible to change them, or is it?

You'd need to create a new portal_type based on Document, then put the
subjects and other metadata in portal_metadata, then write a script (the
'yecch' part) to convert all your existing objects.

> 
> Where in the system, does an object stores these detail and can it be
> changed?

It's more like, when you create the particular object, the type is
instantiated (Document), so you kind of have to copy the 'guts' of the
Document object into the 'guts' of a new Card object.



From jfranz@US.NET  Sun Jul 29 18:33:26 2001
From: jfranz@US.NET (Jon Franz)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 13:33:26 -0400
Subject: Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] dtml-in comment
Message-ID: <63641C91EC424D47A0913FD91483D22D214535@usnet-ex02.USNET.CORP>

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From tol@tanghus.dk  Sun Jul 29 23:56:45 2001
From: tol@tanghus.dk (Thomas Olsen)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:56:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor folder_factory
References: <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOCEACCBAA.andrew@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010729225649.5068E3967A@aadal.tanghus.dk>

On Friday 27 July 2001 18:12, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> I've updated all of the new skin look and feel templates that I have been
> working on.  It's not complete, but I'd like some feedback from those of
> you using ZPT.

In Konqueror and IE 5.5 the name of the type is invisible because it is 
rendered with blue text on blue background. I would say that it is a bug in 
the browsers stylesheet inheritance, but I'm not really a CSS wiz.

I fixed it by changing the zpt_stylesheet (hope this doesn't influence on 
anything it shouldn't):

td.ListName {
    background-color:  #336699;
}
label.ListName {
    color: #FFFFFF;
    font-weight: bold;
}

and the folder_factory script:

<table width="100%" class="FormLayout"
    tal:repeat="item here/allowedContentTypes">
<tr valign="top">
    <td align="left" width="2%" nowrap>
        <input type="radio" name="type_name" value="" id=""
            tal:attributes="value item/getId; id 
string:cb_${repeat/item/number}" />
    </td>
    <td align="left" class="ListName" width="100%">
        <label class="ListName" for=""
            tal:attributes="for string:cb_${repeat/item/number}"
            tal:content="item/Type"></label>
    </td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
    <td>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;</td>
    <td align="left" class="ListDefinition"
        tal:content="item/Description"></td>
</tr>
</table>


-- 
Regards
Thomas Olsen


From norbert@attira.com  Mon Jul 30 03:11:55 2001
From: norbert@attira.com (Norbert Marrale)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 04:11:55 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: How to use already existing products with CMF?
In-Reply-To: <E15QoWI-0005yd-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3B64DE8B.4277.3BF939@localhost>

Amr: 

I would try to avoid mix-n-matching products if the CMF provides a 
reasonable substitute. When I first came across CMF (PTK) in 
December of last year, I had already started with the conversion of a 
static site to Yihaw. My first idea was to use CMF for memberhip 
related things, and to let YIHAW deal with various sorts of document 
types. Squishdot would then provide the bulletin board functionality. 

The hardest part is to integrate these products and to make them aware 
of eachother. I tried this at first, but quickly realized that customizing 
CMF to suit my specific needs would be much easier. I ended up 
throwing away my earlier version and I haven't regretted doing this for a 
second. You don't want to end up maintaining different sets of tools,  
each having different methods and interfaces. 

Look at the prototype at http://www.attira.net to see how this worked 
out for me. I'll be glad to share any customizations if this type of site is 
what you're looking to roll out.

Norbert

--__--__--

> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:30:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Amr Malik <aeamalik@yahoo.com>
> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to use already existing products with CMF?

> Is there a way to use already existing products in a CMF portal? I'm
> thinking of keeping the CMFDefault, but then add products like YiHaw,
> S[Q]uishdot, FSPoll, ZopeGUD to it. Is it viable? What might be the
> way to have, for example, the links under YiHaw cataloged using CMF? 

> The way I envision it, anonymous users will see the default view which
> will be a regular page without the leftbox (actions) and will have a
> directory, and other default stuff (polls, various generic sections,
> surveys). Once the user logs in, they'll see their area and do the
> "adding of the content" type activities. 

> I'm new to CMF and still trying to grok it, so apologies in advance if
> this is too obvious a question! 

> TIA,

>Amr



On the Road of Life, 
there are Tourists and there are Travelers.
I'd rather be Traveling!

Norbert Marrale
norbert@infocatch.com



From norbert@attira.com  Mon Jul 30 03:34:18 2001
From: norbert@attira.com (Norbert Marrale)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 04:34:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Registration Confirmation Problem
Message-ID: <3B64E3CA.29379.5074C2@localhost>

I can't figure out what causes the blank line in the confirmation 
message below between the lines starting with Reply-to: and To:
The top-most From: line is a mistery too... 

The same problem happens also with mailing a forgotten password.
The  mail_password_template and registered_notify_template skins 
look good, can't read Python well enough (yet) to see if there is an error 
in Registration.py ???

I've replicated the behavior on both my local WinMe and the remote 
FreeBSD boxes... Any ideas where I should look?

Norbert

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You have been registered as a member of My EmbassyWeb, which
allows you to personalize your view of the Portal website and participate 
in the community.

On the Road of Life, 
there are Tourists and there are Travelers.
I'd rather be Traveling!

Norbert Marrale
norbert@infocatch.com



From robert@redcor.ch  Mon Jul 30 08:10:20 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:10:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] when is put_factory called?
Message-ID: <000701c118c6$b201acd0$e0a4023e@karin>

Hi there,
I would like to create a "file type sensing" folder.

As I understand it is the put_factories job to set the content type when a
file is uploaded by ftp.
I set breakpoints in all of the put_factories (skin tool and portal_folder),
however none of them is reached.

where is my mistake?

thanks for your help
Robert




From dario@ita.chalmers.se  Mon Jul 30 10:51:22 2001
From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:51:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] cmf.zope.org acting up
Message-ID: <003101c118dd$30aabf20$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>

FYI:

cmf.zope.org seems to fail on every other request, both on logging in and=
 on
getting folder contents.

/dario

- --------------------------------------------------------------------
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dario@ita.chalmers.se  ICQ will yield no hits    IT Systems & Services




From dario@ita.chalmers.se  Mon Jul 30 10:53:02 2001
From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:53:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] I want to RTFM. Where is it?
Message-ID: <003701c118dd$6cae0ef0$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>

Or do I need to read the source for CMF? I can't seem to find it (the
"manual", I allredy got the source :-).

Sincerely,

/dario

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From ueck@net-labs.de  Mon Jul 30 11:53:01 2001
From: ueck@net-labs.de (Ulrich Eck)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:53:01 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor: folder_contents has errors
Message-ID: <006001c118e5$cd94e830$3300000a@work01>

Hi andrew,

I just checked out CMF and CMFDecore from cvs and I still have errors when
displaying the folder_contents.

the following error-traceback i get:

Error Type: TypeError
Error Value: unsubscriptable object

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in publish_module
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish
  File /zope/prog/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: folder_contents)
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in call_object
    (Object: folder_contents)
  File /zope/prog/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 324, in __call__
    (Object: folder_contents)
  File /zope/prog/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 354, in _bindAndExec
    (Object: folder_contents)
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/ZopePageTemplate.py, line 244, in _exec
    (Object: folder_contents)
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDecor/FSPageTemplate.py, line 165, in pt_render
    (Object: folder_contents)
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/PageTemplate.py, line 156, in pt_render
    (Object: folder_contents)
    (Info: {'container': <CMFSite instance at 94e62b0>,
 'here': <CMFSite instance at 94e62b0>,
 'modules': <Products.PageTemplates.ZPythonExpr._SecureModuleImporter instance at 861b9a0>,
 'nothing': None,
 'options': {'args': ()},
 'request': ***cut out***,
 'root': <Application instance at 93181f8>,
 'template': <FSPageTemplate instance at 95c5838>,
 'traverse_subpath': [],
 'user': jack-e})
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, line 232, in __call__
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, line 265, in interpret
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, line 591, in do_useMacro
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, line 265, in interpret
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, line 614, in do_defineSlot
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, line 265, in interpret
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py, line 546, in do_loop_tal
  File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/TALES.py, line 161, in next
  File /zope/prog/Zope-2.3.3/lib/python/ZTUtils/Iterator.py, line 102, in next
TypeError: (see above)

thanks for your work on this

Ulrich Eck
net-labs





From sedat@kibele.com  Mon Jul 30 12:19:49 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (Sedat Yilmazer)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:19:49 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
In-Reply-To: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B930A7E62@KIBELE_SBS>
Message-ID: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C518@KIBELE_SBS>

 Lets find a midle way
Since there should not be more than one user distinguished only base =
their casing, we may say that the users are case insensitive but login =
name and password is case sensitive during the login phase.

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org] On Behalf =
Of Chris Withers
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 3:38 PM
To: marc lindahl
Cc: Dieter Maurer; zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?

marc lindahl wrote:
>=20
> would be integrated with the acl_user names.  Since, I believe, most =
mailers
> ignore case, this would then present a problem if you had multiple =
users
> distinguished only by their casing.

Well, yes, having two usernames that belonged to seperate people =
distinguished
only by case would be silly.

That doesn't necessarily equate to usernames being caseless.

cheers,

Chris

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From sedat@kibele.com  Mon Jul 30 12:12:13 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (sedat)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:12:13 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
In-Reply-To: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B930A7E72@KIBELE_SBS>
Message-ID: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C519@KIBELE_SBS>

 Matbe most of them are M$ products!

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org] On Behalf
Of Dieter Maurer
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 8:52 PM
To: Robert Rottermann
Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?

Robert Rottermann writes:
 > In the user interface however case sensitivenes is a pain in the bak
Why?

Personnaly, I only met problems with case insensitive systems
(such as DOS, Windows and Corba-IDL).


Dieter

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From sedat@kibele.com  Mon Jul 30 12:21:22 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (Sedat Yilmazer)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:21:22 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
In-Reply-To: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B930A7E72@KIBELE_SBS>
Message-ID: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C519@KIBELE_SBS>

 Matbe most of them are M$ products!

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org] On Behalf =
Of Dieter Maurer
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 8:52 PM
To: Robert Rottermann
Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?

Robert Rottermann writes:
 > In the user interface however case sensitivenes is a pain in the bak
Why?

Personnaly, I only met problems with case insensitive systems
(such as DOS, Windows and Corba-IDL).


Dieter

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requests



From aeamalik@yahoo.com  Mon Jul 30 13:47:12 2001
From: aeamalik@yahoo.com (Amr Malik)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 05:47:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: How to use already existing products with CMF?
In-Reply-To: <3B64DE8B.4277.3BF939@localhost>
Message-ID: <20010730124712.55063.qmail@web11604.mail.yahoo.com>

Norbert,

   Thanks so much for your reply! I am looking to do something generally 
similar to your site (a community site). The main "content" if you will,
is going to be the directory of links to resources. I was thinking of using
YiHaw if possible so that I might get a headstart, but feared what you have
described in your message: the headaches of integrating these modules into 
CMF.
  
   The best way to go would be to use the CMF itself, its just that I'm not
sure where to start customizing it. Thanks to the ZWACK CH5, I know how to 
create a simple skin and probably a type. The Portal Poll product was 
instructive as well, but there is a lot of pieces missing for me in this puzzle

that I need to figure out :( . Your site looks great! Would it be possible
for you to share the customizations you did or the new stuff you implemented
(yihaw like functionality for example) I'm not looking for code or 
implementation details, just an overview of the process you went thru (starting
from stock CMF) to get there!

Thanks,

Amr



--- Norbert Marrale <norbert@infocatch.com> wrote:
> Amr: 
> 
> I would try to avoid mix-n-matching products if the CMF provides a 
> reasonable substitute. When I first came across CMF (PTK) in 
> December of last year, I had already started with the conversion of a 
> static site to Yihaw. My first idea was to use CMF for memberhip 
> related things, and to let YIHAW deal with various sorts of document 
> types. Squishdot would then provide the bulletin board functionality. 
> 
> The hardest part is to integrate these products and to make them aware 
> of eachother. I tried this at first, but quickly realized that customizing 
> CMF to suit my specific needs would be much easier. I ended up 
> throwing away my earlier version and I haven't regretted doing this for a 
> second. You don't want to end up maintaining different sets of tools,  
> each having different methods and interfaces. 
> 
> Look at the prototype at http://www.attira.net to see how this worked 
> out for me. I'll be glad to share any customizations if this type of site is 
> what you're looking to roll out.
> 
> Norbert
> 
> --__--__--


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From norbert@attira.com  Mon Jul 30 14:34:06 2001
From: norbert@attira.com (Norbert Marrale)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:34:06 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: How to use already existing products with CMF?
In-Reply-To: <002601c118f3$17c79580$c7010a0a@mcgeough>
Message-ID: <3B657E6E.5880.2AC9D90@localhost>

Hi Frank:

The moreover service is done through a perl script that queries the 
moreover site every 30 minutes based on a variety of keywords. The 
headlines are then merged and stored locally for inclusion in the 
website. The basic perl script and html code is provided by moreover, 
but I forget where exactly it's located. AFAIK it's a free service, I think I 
had to register... Also remember notifying them when I first started to 
use the script... 

There is also a (probably more advanced) Zope product based on XML-
RPC called Meerkat. I guess the syndication gurus on this list would 
know more about this product. 

Anyway, If you need code examples I'll be glad to share my stuff with 
you. Just mail me privately. 

Norbert


On 30 Jul 2001, at 8:28, Frank McGeough wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I hope you don't mind but I have a question about your site. How did you
> integrate MoreOver into your CMF site? Is that a service you pay for?
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> Frank McGeough
> 


On the Road of Life, 
there are Tourists and there are Travelers.
I'd rather be Traveling!

Norbert Marrale
norbert@infocatch.com



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 15:50:58 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:50:58 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: How to use already existing products with CMF?
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHCEECCDAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Hi Amr,

A Yahoo/Yihaw links list should be fairly easy to implement, with very
little customisation. There is already a "Link" content-type in CMF, to
which you can add metadata. If you combine this with a good metadata/subject
list (see
http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/how_tos/configuring_metadata_tool ), you
can then use Topics/Subtopics (there's some brief stuff in the Help files)
to give a hierarchical view of your link-collection.

HTH

Cheers, Jon



From chrism@zope.com  Mon Jul 30 15:49:47 2001
From: chrism@zope.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:49:47 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] DCWorkflow problems with the Hotfix_2001_07_25
References: <20010727171653.26453b71.renato@open4.it>
 <3B6189C2.407111E4@zope.com> <20010730120823.1c54b2f7.renato@open4.it>
Message-ID: <3B65740B.E94501B7@zope.com>

Not that I know of, sorry!

Renato Ramonda wrote:
> 
> Il Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:33:22 -0400
> Chris McDonough <chrism@zope.com> scrisse:
> 
> > Renato,
> >
> > Please try to download and install the hotfix again.  There was a "bad"
> > hotfix file up for a couple of hours, and you may have gotten that one.
> 
> Tried that (on different installs, to be sure), and it din't help, unfortunately.
> 
> I still get the same error: has anybody else tried to use the Hotfix together
> with the DCWorkflow product?
> 
> --
> Ciao,
>     Renato Ramonda
> -----------------------
>      www.open4.it

-- 
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http://www.zope.org                    http://www.zope.com

""" Killing hundreds of birds with thousands of stones """


From lstafford@morphics.com  Mon Jul 30 17:40:57 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:40:57 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
In-Reply-To: <15201.43612.689056.966954@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICGELHGMAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

Possibly, People from different Kultures might have different Ideas about
the Intuitiveness of case Sensitivity.

-- Loren

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Dieter Maurer
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:52
> To: Robert Rottermann
> Cc: zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
>
>
> Robert Rottermann writes:
>  > In the user interface however case sensitivenes is a pain in the bak
> Why?
>
> Personnaly, I only met problems with case insensitive systems
> (such as DOS, Windows and Corba-IDL).
>
>
> Dieter
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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> feature requests
>



From marc@bowery.com  Mon Jul 30 17:53:55 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:53:55 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICGELHGMAA.lstafford@morphics.com>
Message-ID: <B78B0962.11352%marc@bowery.com>

This one has some nice references:
http://miso.cs.vt.edu/~usab/projects/student%20projects/web%20appns/UAFWWW.h
tml

> From: "Loren Stafford" <lstafford@morphics.com>
> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:40:57 -0700
> To: "Dieter Maurer" <dieter@handshake.de>, "Robert Rottermann"
> <robert@redcor.ch>
> Cc: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
> Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] case sensitive usernames?
> 
> Possibly, People from different Kultures might have different Ideas about
> the Intuitiveness of case Sensitivity.
> 



From aeamalik@yahoo.com  Mon Jul 30 18:25:18 2001
From: aeamalik@yahoo.com (Amr Malik)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:25:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: How to use already existing products with CMF?
In-Reply-To: <3B659418.6438.30142AE@localhost>
Message-ID: <20010730172518.96439.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com>

Norbert,

  Thanks so much for the detailed explaination! This clears up quite a few
questions I had! :) The technique you describe for the "diplomatic offices"
I am using too in my squisdot site to list the subjects in a drop down list
and to create lists of articles! search comes in quite handy then! :)

  This gives me more stuff to chew on for a while, I'll also check out the
stuff Jon mentioned! I'm getting some ideas gel'ed in my brain now as to 
how I could do this :)

Now only if there was a way to browse members' public documents on the cmf.zope
site! cuz I know there are other gems out there! hmm... 

Thanks again!

Amr

--- Norbert Marrale <norbert@infocatch.com> wrote:
> Amr:
> 
> I'd be more than happy to share any code if you'd like. Here is a short 
> outline of the steps I took to get where I am now. My main hurdle now 
> (shouldn't be too hard) is to create 2 or three new document types. 
> Since I need to document my work anyway (I'm planning to use this site 
> as a proof of concept to base other portals on for paying clients), this 
> seems like a good opportunity to try to explain the steps I took :)
> 
...
much good stuff snipped..

> 
> 
> On the Road of Life, 
> there are Tourists and there are Travelers.
> I'd rather be Traveling!
> 
> Norbert Marrale
> norbert@infocatch.com
> 


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From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon Jul 30 19:06:06 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:06:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: How to count the number of replies?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107181746510.4332-100000@localhost.localdomain> <3B561353.101899EB@artlover.com> <3B58E6DF.5020104@palladion.com> <3B59B3D1.9EF08FF7@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <3B65A20E.4060309@palladion.com>

Ausum wrote:

> Thanks Tres.
> 
> This is the code I came up with, to count the number of replies from an
> object, listed at a typical portal_catalog list:
> 
> <dtml-with getObject>
> <dtml-if talkback>
>   <dtml-let hasReplies="talkback.hasReplies( this() )">
>     <dtml-if hasReplies>
>       <dtml-var "talkback.replyCount( this() )">       
>     </dtml-if>
>   </dtml-let>
> </dtml-if>
> </dtml-with>
> 
> Put in a method it works fine, but I'm supposing that due it has to call
> every found object in order to tell whether it has replies or not, it is
> somehow costly. Shouldn't 'num_of_replies' be a catalogable object's
> property, updated by the workflow? How do I perform this?

Add a metadata column to the catalog, 'num_of_replies', which will be
recomputed each time a content object is catalogued.  You can then
use it in a catalog-driven page without the 'getObject' bit, which is
what is causing the expense.

Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon Jul 30 19:30:12 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:30:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
References: <200107251458.f6PEwJs10104@tangmate.tanghus.dk> <CLEJIDKFHKAOKNCGCAIOIEPOCAAA.andrew@digicool.com> <20010725175348.A4902@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B65A7B4.30709@palladion.com>

seb bacon wrote:

> I'd love to start moving over to ZPT soon, but one problem is that
> hitherto the Decor skins have not been synchronised with the DTML
> skins.  Is there any kind of process for keeping them parallel?
> Should we start recommending people submit both when they're creating
> new skins?  Are you ZC folks moving over to them for your templates,
> or when do you intend to do so?  So many questions ;-)

ZPT is Da Bomb!  We are in "maintenance-only" mode on the current

DTML skins (the HTML presentation parts), and will maintain the two

sets of skins in parallel until ZPT is part of the Zope core (which

will be in the next release, whatever that label might be).


We are / will be using ZPT in all current / future consulting gigs, as
well as in the internal projects (zope.com, zope.org) built with the
CMF.

Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon Jul 30 19:40:15 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:40:15 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
References: <62960000.996162626@daystar.control.com>
Message-ID: <3B65AA0F.6030606@palladion.com>

Dan L. Pierson wrote:

> Partly.  I'd really like some idea of how long it will stay 2.3 
> compatible and some very visible notice when that is broken.

My crystal ball is a bit murky, but it is my current guess that
the biggest distinguising feature of the next "major" Zope release
("2.5" is the most likely label) will be folding ZPT into the core.
At that point (could be as early as September), we will replace the
DTML-based HTML skins with their ZPT-based equivalents, and rev the
CMF.   From that point forward, you will have to have ZPT installed
in order to use the default skins.

We won't introduce gratuitous incompatibilities with Zope 2.3 into
the CMF codebase;  I won't guarantee that some Python 2.x-isms won't
creep in, however (e.g., support of Unicode).

If you need a stronger guarantee than that, we should probably
talk about a support contract;  maintaining backward compatibility
indefinitely incurs a non-trivial cost.

Tres.
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From michel@bialik.g12.br  Mon Jul 30 21:48:04 2001
From: michel@bialik.g12.br (michel metzger)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:48:04 -0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] newbie: discussion reply problem
Message-ID: <008901c11938$eead91e0$fe4cd4c8@terra.com.br>

Hi,

When I try to reply to a document I get:

Zope Error
Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
Error Type: Not Found
Error Value: Cannot find default view for
"/portal/index_html/talkback/996519840"

I'm using Zope 2.40 and CMF 1.1, WindowsNT 4

Thanks
michel



From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon Jul 30 19:57:35 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:57:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is the dogbowl acting up?
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107262217540.5194-100000@isis.visi.com> <3B60E017.A9C0F3B2@snafu.de>
Message-ID: <3B65AE1F.90605@palladion.com>

Christoph Schirmer wrote:
 > Timothy Wilson wrote:
 >
 >>Is it just me or is http://cmf.zope.org/ acting up a bit? I've getting=
 lots
 >>of errors when I try to access various pages. Is Tres still on vacatio=
n? :-)
 >>

> Tres is at the O=B4Reilly conference, giving talks on how to use the cm=
f - and I really
> hope that the slides or papers will be available soon :-)

One of the dogbowl's two ZEO clients had disconnected from its
storage server, which meant that any request had a 50% chance of
being hosed (less, actually, because some requests could be served
from the cache).

I'm back from San Diego today;  the slides are at:

   http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/building_sites (tutorial)

   http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/content_management (overv=
iew)

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From robert@redcor.ch  Mon Jul 30 22:11:57 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:11:57 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] How to use CMFDecor skin
Message-ID: <001501c1193c$448a6fe0$e0a4023e@karin>

Hi there,
how can I use the CMFDecor skin.
Setting it in front of BASIC-list of skins made no change to the appearance.
Neither can I use a skin with only the CMFDecor parts in it.

Thanks for your tips
Robert



From aeamalik@yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 00:13:04 2001
From: aeamalik@yahoo.com (Amr Malik)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:13:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is the dogbowl acting up?
In-Reply-To: <3B65AE1F.90605@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <20010730231304.83072.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com>

just fyi..

>    http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/building_sites (tutorial)

This one takes to an overview type document. Is this the tutorial?

 
>    http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/content_management (overview)

This one goes to la-la land ( no content whatsoever). Do I need to login to
be able to see the content on this?

thanks,

Amr




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From waltonl@franklin.edu  Tue Jul 31 01:01:14 2001
From: waltonl@franklin.edu (Lynn Walton)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:01:14 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Using CMF without portal like features
Message-ID: <3B65F54A.AD5B7994@franklin.edu>

Can anyone give me some pointers on how to make use of CMF for a site
where for now I don't to get into a portal like look with membership,
etc.
I want the main zope root itself to be able to use the CMF Document
type, etc, and be skinned using ZPT, but I don't want stuff to end up in
a member's folder, or for the pages to have the typical portal
action_box or login option.   I want users who have been given access
using the usual ZMI user folders to be able to create CMF Documents in
our various subdirectories under the zope site root.

I've seen very little beginner info that starts with using the different
types of CMF content types, despite having search through the docs and
exploring numerous times.  I believe that many other web developer's are
going to have this same need to have some sites that aren't portal
oriented for end users, but that still take advantage of the CMF
framework for either workflow or separation of presentation and content
or both.  So, I'd sure like to see some good tutorial docs geared toward
that.

Also, can PageTemplates macro's and tal expressions be used inside a CMF
document? Or can they only be used in a PageTemplate document?

Thanks
Lynn



From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 03:21:10 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:21:10 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is the dogbowl acting up?
References: <20010730231304.83072.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B661616.5010601@palladion.com>

Amr Malik wrote:

> just fyi..
> 
> 
>>   http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/building_sites (tutorial)
>>
> 
> This one takes to an overview type document. Is this the tutorial?
> 
>  
> 
>>   http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/content_management (overview)
>>
> 
> This one goes to la-la land ( no content whatsoever). Do I need to login to
> be able to see the content on this?

I hadn't published the two File objects which have the slide

content -- should be visible now.


Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 03:30:41 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:30:41 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Using CMF without portal like features
References: <3B65F54A.AD5B7994@franklin.edu>
Message-ID: <3B661851.50206@palladion.com>

Lynn Walton wrote:

> Can anyone give me some pointers on how to make use of CMF for a site
> where for now I don't to get into a portal like look with membership,
> etc.
> I want the main zope root itself to be able to use the CMF Document
> type, etc, and be skinned using ZPT,


The "main zope root" can't (at the moment) be skinned;  the skinning
mechanism requires using a subobject.  CMFSite objects *can* be skinned
using ZPT.

> but I don't want stuff to end up in a member's folder,


Content needn't be created in a member folder;  members can create
content anywhere they have the 'Add portal content' permission.

> or for the pages to have the typical portal action_box


You should be able to suppress the 'action_box' just by removing it
from 'statndard_html_header'.

> or login option.


If they can't log in, how do you plan to allow them access?
You could move the login link up into the 'standard_top_bar', for
instance.

> I want users who have been given access
> using the usual ZMI user folders to be able to create CMF Documents in
> our various subdirectories under the zope site root.


Again, they can create content anywhere they have the appropriate

permission.  The stock CMF uses a standard Zope user folder, BTW.


> I've seen very little beginner info that starts with using the different
> types of CMF content types, despite having search through the docs and
> exploring numerous times.


You are going to have to customize more skins, if you don't like the
current layout.

>  I believe that many other web developer's are
> going to have this same need to have some sites that aren't portal
> oriented for end users, but that still take advantage of the CMF
> framework for either workflow or separation of presentation and content
> or both.  So, I'd sure like to see some good tutorial docs geared toward
> that.


Could be you would write one?


> Also, can PageTemplates macro's and tal expressions be used inside a CMF
> document? Or can they only be used in a PageTemplate document?


Nope;  like DTML, TAL and METAL are *code*, not content;  CMFDocuments
are *never* supposed to contain code.  If you find yourself thinking,
"TAL would help here", then you are no longer doing "pure" content
authoring;  you have slipped on the page designer hat.

Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 03:43:48 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:43:48 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] odd problem with user management
References: <63641C91EC424D47A0913FD91483D22D214516@usnet-ex02.USNET.CORP>
Message-ID: <3B661B64.7030200@palladion.com>

Jon Franz wrote:


> I'm using the CMF for my *gasp* corporate intranet, and due to
> some policies in place, employees cannot create thier own users.

>  Instead, HR creates the users and defines all of thier properties.

> The employees can modify only one property - the about_me property;

> meanwhile all others should be editable by CMF managers only.


To accomplish this, you might remove the 'Set own properties'
permission from the 'Member' role;  give a proxy role of 'Manager'
to a Python Script which sets the 'about_me' property.


> I have created the needed forms and they pull the current user

> data, and have created the python code below and placed it inside

> CMFCore/Registration.py (I know, put it in  CMFDefault, but I'm

> prototyping and dont care at this point)


Actually, you don't need (and ordinarily wouldn't) to modify *any*
of the CMF code;  if you can't solve the problem using the stock
configuration hooks (as I suggseted above), then you should create
your own product and derive a new tool from those in the CMF.

> and the  code compiles and runs without raising any errors.

> However, once run, the user's folder disappears from within the

> ZMI and the portal.  
> 
> Any ideas of what I'm doing wrong?
> 
> Heres the code:
> 
>     security.declareProtected(CMFCorePermissions.ManagePortal,
> 'setOthersProperties')
>     def setOthersProperties(self, user=None, properties=None, **kw):
>         '''Allows the authenticated member to set his/her own
> properties.
>         Accepts either keyword arguments or a mapping for the
> "properties"
>         argument.
>         '''
>         if user is None or user=='':
>             raise 'Bad request', 'invalid user'
>             
>         if properties is None:
>             properties = kw
>         membership = getToolByName(self, 'portal_membership')
>         if not membership.isAnonymousUser():
>             member = membership.getMemberById(user)
>             failMessage = self.testPropertiesValidity(properties,
> member)
>             if failMessage is not None:
>                 raise 'Bad Request', failMessage
>             member.setMemberProperties(properties)
>         else:
>             raise 'Bad Request', 'Not logged in.'

I can't see any particular reason why your code here would
cause the symptom you describe.

Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 03:49:16 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:49:16 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] PortalFolders - 2 questions
References: <877kx4g9yy.wl@namaste.tokyo.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <3B661CAC.3010605@palladion.com>

Joseph Wayne Norton wrote:

> I have 2 questions regarding PortalFolders.
> 
>  - using FTP - is it possible to specify or turn on/turn off behavior
>    of whether a normal Zope Folder or a CMF PortalFolder is created
>    due to a mkdir command?  My current understanding is that a Zope
>    folder will always be created.  Documents seem to behave as
>    expected.


The ZPublisher FTP machinery makes hooking FTP's MKDIR command extra-
ordinarily hard.  Can't be done, at the moment (would be possible under
WebDAV, though, as adding a MKCOL verb for HTTP would be fairly simple).


>  - allowed_content_types - what is the best way to support this
>    behavior on an instance basis?  Currently, this behavior seems to
>    be supported only on a class basis.


It is set on a "type" basis (not identical to class).  For instance,
if I have a FactoryTypeInformation object in 'portal_types', created
from CMFDefault.NewsItem.factory_type_information, I can require that
only NewsItems be created in instances created from it, without touching
the underlying Python class at all.


>   For example, I would like to limit certain PortalFolders to only
>    allow for "Images" to be added.  I can think of 2 ways of doing
>    this currently.
> 
>    a. create a new PortalFolder-like python class whose base class is
>       PortalFolder ... such as PortalImageFolder.  Then use the
>       type_tool to set allowed_content_types only to "Image".
> 
>    b. after adding a PortalFolder set a property such as
>       "self.allowed_content_types_on_an_instance_basis = (Image,)"
> 
>       modify the invokeFactory skin to check for this property hanging
>       off of each PortalFolderish object and filter based on this
>       property as well.

Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 04:32:01 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:32:01 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Changing portal_metadata tool
References: <995820359.3b5b034736a25@webmail.channel1.com>
Message-ID: <3B6626B1.8000809@palladion.com>

Dan Keshet wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I want to add an Element to the portal_metadata tool.  Are there plans to make
> metadata Elements configurable?


Products.CMFDefault.MetadataTool.MetadataTool actually has methods for
adding and removing "element specs" (which is what you want).  The DTML
does not (yet) have any UI which uses these methods, although adding such
UI is pretty trivial.  *hacks for about 15 minutes*.  Yep, I can now add
and remove element specs on the "Properties" tab of the tool.  I will check
the changes in shortly;  in the meantime, see the diffs below.

>  Right now, is it possible to change the
> metadata tool without creating a whole new CMF site?   I can't seem to add or
> delete a portal_metadata tool...


You should be able to delete it freely in the ZMI;  adding one is trickier,
as you have to know that it is contained in the "CMFDefault Tool" "jumbo
factory."


> So I tried playing with MetadataTool.py, and adding to the list of
> DEFAULT_ELEMENT_SPECS, but that doesn't seem to have an effect. 
> 
> Also, I noticed later down that each Element has it's own listAllowed function. 
> Why not make listAllowedVocabulary public and pass the Element type in?  Would
> this make it easier to add Elements?


There was a private method, '_listAllowedVocabulary';  I made it
public, removing the '_'.  Thanks for the suggestion!


diff -u -r1.6 MetadataTool.py
--- CMFDefault/MetadataTool.py  4 Jun 2001 10:53:02 -0000       1.6
+++ CMFDefault/MetadataTool.py  31 Jul 2001 03:29:01 -0000
@@ -462,7 +462,7 @@

      security.declareProtected( CMFCorePermissions.ManagePortal
                               , 'addElementSpec' )
-    def addElementSpec( self, element, is_multi_valued ):
+    def addElementSpec( self, element, is_multi_valued, REQUEST=None ):
          """
              Add 'element' to our list of managed elements.
          """
@@ -472,14 +472,26 @@

          self.element_specs[ element ] = ElementSpec( is_multi_valued )

+        if REQUEST is not None:
+            REQUEST[ 'RESPONSE' ].redirect( self.absolute_url()
+               + '/propertiesForm'
+               + '?manage_tabs_message=Element+' + element + '+added.'
+               )
+
      security.declareProtected( CMFCorePermissions.ManagePortal
                               , 'removeElementSpec' )
-    def removeElementSpec( self, element ):
+    def removeElementSpec( self, element, REQUEST=None ):
          """
              Remove 'element' from our list of managed elements.
          """
          del self.element_specs[ element ]

+        if REQUEST is not None:
+            REQUEST[ 'RESPONSE' ].redirect( self.absolute_url()
+               + '/propertiesForm'
+               + '?manage_tabs_message=Element+' + element + '+removed.'
+               )
+
      security.declareProtected( CMFCorePermissions.ManagePortal, 
'listPolicies' )
      def listPolicies( self, typ=None ):
          """
@@ -513,8 +525,8 @@
          """
          return self.publisher

-    security.declarePrivate( '_listAllowedVocabulary' )
-    def _listAllowedVocabulary( self, element, content=None ):
+    security.declarePublic( 'listAllowedVocabulary' )
+    def listAllowedVocabulary( self, element, content=None ):
          """
              List allowed keywords for a given meta_type, or all
              possible keywords if none supplied.
@@ -529,7 +541,7 @@
              List allowed keywords for a given meta_type, or all
              possible keywords if none supplied.
          """
-        return self._listAllowedVocabulary( 'Subject', content )
+        return self.listAllowedVocabulary( 'Subject', content )

      security.declarePublic( 'listAllowedFormats' )
      def listAllowedFormats( self, content=None ):
@@ -537,14 +549,14 @@
              List the allowed 'Content-type' values for a particular
              meta_type, or all possible formats if none supplied.
          """
-        return self._listAllowedVocabulary( 'Format', content )
+        return self.listAllowedVocabulary( 'Format', content )

      security.declarePublic( 'listAllowedLanguages' )
      def listAllowedLanguages( self, content=None ):
          """
              List the allowed language values.
          """
-        return self._listAllowedVocabulary( 'Language', content )
+        return self.listAllowedVocabulary( 'Language', content )

      security.declarePublic( 'listAllowedRights' )
      def listAllowedRights( self, content=None ):
@@ -553,7 +565,7 @@
              selection list;  this gets especially important where
              syndication is involved.
          """
-        return self._listAllowedVocabulary( 'Rights', content )
+        return self.listAllowedVocabulary( 'Rights', content )

      security.declarePrivate( 'setInitialMetadata' )
      def setInitialMetadata( self, content ):


diff -u -r1.1 metadataProperties.dtml
--- CMFDefault/dtml/metadataProperties.dtml     28 Apr 2001 22:57:00 
-0000      1.1
+++ CMFDefault/dtml/metadataProperties.dtml     31 Jul 2001 03:29:01 -0000
@@ -4,17 +4,68 @@
  <h3> Update Metadata Tool Properties </h3>

  <form action="editProperties" method="POST">
-<table class="FormLayout">
+<table>

- <tr>
-  <th> Publisher: </th>
+ <tr valign="middle">
+  <th width="100" align="right"> Publisher: </th>
    <td> <input type="text" name="publisher"
                value="&dtml-getPublisher;" size="40"> </td>
   </tr>

- <tr>
+ <tr valign="middle">
    <td> <br> </td>
    <td> <input type="submit" value=" Change "> </td>
+ </tr>
+
+</table>
+</form>
+
+<h3> Add Metadata Element </h3>
+
+<form action="&dtml-absolute_url;/addElementSpec" method="POST">
+<input type="hidden" name="is_multi_valued:int:default" value="0">
+<table>
+
+ <tr valign="middle">
+  <th width="100" align="right"> Element: </th>
+  <td> <input type="text" name="element" size="20"> </td>
+ </tr>
+
+ <tr valign="middle">
+  <th width="100" align="right"> Multi-valued? </th>
+  <td> <input type="checkbox" name="is_multi_valued:boolean"> </td>
+ </tr>
+
+ <tr valign="middle">
+  <td> <br> </td>
+  <td> <input type="submit" value=" Add "> </td>
+ </tr>
+
+</table>
+</form>
+
+<h3> Remove Metadata Element </h3>
+
+<form action="&dtml-absolute_url;/removeElementSpec" method="POST">
+<table>
+
+ <tr valign="middle">
+  <th width="100" align="right"> Element: </th>
+  <td> <dtml-in listElementSpecs>
+       <dtml-if sequence-start>
+       <select name="element">
+       </dtml-if>
+       <option value="&dtml-sequence-key;"> &dtml-sequence-key; </option>
+       <dtml-if sequence-end>
+       </select>
+       </dtml-if>
+       </dtml-in>
+  </td>
+ </tr>
+
+ <tr valign="middle">
+  <td> <br> </td>
+  <td> <input type="submit" value=" Remove "> </td>
   </tr>

  </table>

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From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 04:42:52 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:42:52 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Bug report & other suggestions from a newbie to CMF
References: <3B5BB7F8.F9A072E8@franklin.edu>
Message-ID: <3B66293C.7030802@palladion.com>

Lynn Walton wrote:

> Hello to all.  This is my first post in CMF.  I have been reading
> everything I can on the CMF site for weeks -quite a frustrating
> experience, I must confess ;-).
> 
> Below are a couple thoughts, suggestions, and a bug-report.  I didn't
> see where to officially report bugs so please forgive me if this is not
> the correct place. Send me to the correct place and I will report it
> there.
> 
> 1) Would the list owner, I guess that's tsearver, please consider making
> the cmf list available through yahoo groups (formerly dejanews) so that
> the archives would be searchable?  I asked Evan to do this for the ZPT
> mailing list, and he did. And the regular zope mailing list is there.


That would be me.  I would be glad to help, but don't know what would
be required of me;  can't you or someone nominate the list to yahoo?
Also, Chris Withers has searchable archives of the list online at
the NIP site:

  http://zope.nipltd.com/public/lists/ptk-archive.nsf/


> 2) Does anyone know why most of the news, comments, etc I read on the
> CMF site, have the text keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger with
> each paragraph?  On some documents it gets to such a point size where
> only a couple words per line fit on the screen.  I just checked and it
> does seem only to render that way in Netscape (4.7) not I.E.  Any other
> Netscape users experience this?


The recent switch to use StructuredTextNG triggers NS4's bad behavior.
If you look at the source of the "offending" document, you will find
that it is perfectly well-formed;  something about the way STXNG emits
bulleted lists (closing with '</p></p>', maybe?> causes NS4 to flake
out.


> 
> 3) Here's the bug report .... while going through the great
> PortalPollTutorial by davew ... I discovered that something was causing
> my ZMI screens for accessing the portal_types and the objects under
> portal_types to get mangled.   While doing the tutorial it walks you
> through adding a new type to the portal_types, using  "Add Factory Based
> Type Information", and then setting properties and actions for it.  That
> would work fine.  Then when the tutorial walks you through Logging into
> the portal you set up, and trying to add your new type "Poll", that
> worked find too .... (although the tutorial left out the step of needing
> to "Join" the new portal before you can get a "My Stuff" option and add
> your own pool .. but I reported that as a comment on the tutorial).    I
> happened to use my same username and password for joining the portal as
> I already use in my ZMI as a Manager.    The poll worked fine, but I
> discovered later that in the ZMI for my portal, the portal_types screens
> were lost.
> 
> First, Instead of getting the tabs I should get ... (Overview, Contents,
> View, Properties, Security, Undo, Ownership and Find) when I click on
> portal_types ... it is missing "Overview".
> 
> Then when I click on Poll (or any of the other default portal_types
> which I didn't touch, I only get
> Undo, and Ownership, and it's on the Undo tab and says:
> ------------
> "Factory-based Type Information at tests/TestPortal01/portal_types/Poll
> There are no transactions that can be undone.
> -------------
> when it should have properties, actions, undo, ownership and security
> tabs.
> 
> After making another Portal and reproducing it .. again using the same
> login name for joining the portal as I have for being a manager in my
> ZMI, I then tried making a third portal, and joined it with a different
> login name and password.  That worked, and left the correct management
> screens accessible in the ZMI for the different portal_types objects.
> When I was trying to reproduce it on the "second" test portal, I
> experimented around, logging in and out with different browsers and I
> could always access the correct screens for all the portal_types
> objects  UP UNTIL the point that I went out and joined the portal using
> my same ZMI manager login name, and then created a new Poll.   That
> seems to be when it mangles the screens.


I can't reproduce this.


> 
> 4) I'd be happy to have anyone that is willing to email me with their
> thoughts on how they are using CMF on live sites now (or is it too new
> and unstable?). Also, if anyone is VERY knowledgeable in CMF and has
> some time for consulting, please send me your information including
> rates.  I really want to go forward with the best architecture for a new
> site that we have to have up in a couple months, and I know that I won't
> be able to get far on CMF with the current state of the documentation,
> unless I have some help from someone who's "been there, done that". <g>


I'll let the community step in here.  I spoke with several folks at
the O'Reilly Conference who are already using the CMF in production.


Tres.
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Tres Seaver                                tseaver@zope.com
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 04:49:21 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:49:21 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] content management framework question / musings
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com><006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com> <3B56A57C.4A15CD32@nipltd.com> <995595560.911.7.camel@locutus.libc.org> <001a01c1111c$a6c465d0$c7010a0a@mcgeough> <3B600524.8080504@digicool.com> <024c01c115db$643376c0$c7010a0a@mcgeough>
Message-ID: <3B662AC1.5080608@palladion.com>

Frank McGeough wrote:

> The CMF allows a user to login, to have an area that they can add content to
> and that works o.k.
> 
> My question is, how does all this content actually become part of a whole?
> If you take content like News -- it is totally integrated. That is, a user

> adds a News Item and once it's published, it's available. It doesn't matter
> if the user decides to move it to another folder --- the News Item is still
> picked up and displayed in the proper places. Events are somewhat similar.


Notice that both the "news" box and the calendar work this way because
they are built on "canned" catalog queries.  You can accomplish similar
organization of your documents by adding Topic objects, for instance,
assuming they have been tagged with appropriate metadata.


> For document content things are left to the user. Search provides a
> wonderful level of integration, of course, but that is a (very useful but)
> poor substitute for intelligent organization (in my opinion). Since this is
> the case it seems like my users should actually be roles.  That is, if I was
> working on a newspaper type model --- I would have a sports user, an
> editorial user, etc. The main menu would link the person browsing the site
> to these sections. The section would have a main DTML document that would
> layout the section and show the current available content. This main DTML
> would always be available. The main DTML document would have to have logic
> in it to iterate through the user (role) folders getting the proper content.
> If I was doing a daily type of publishing environment then I could picture
> having a folder that writers would work out of for the next days article,
> and having a folder that is the current days content. I would then have a
> deadline and have a program that would move the current days content to an
> archived folder, move the working area content into the current days folder
> and leave the working area clean for the next days work.


If you create separate "portal types" for each kind of content, you
could then arrange to have different metadata policies for each one,
and therefore could get the tagging you want done "automagically".  The
deadline+expiration machinery you describe is distinct from the tagging,
of course.


> 
> Is this how the CMF designers picture their system being used (apart from
> how it used at the CMF site and other similar sites that have more of the
> garage sale interface --- that is, there may be a lot of interesting stuff
> but you are going to have to find it yourself). Is there any docs that the
> CMF designers have written that describe how a site could organize content
> generation. In general, how do people see how content gets integrated when
> using CMF so the web site provides a valuable user experience? Do you use
> smart queries along the line of the News/Events to organize the other types
> of content?


Exactly.  Getting the metadata populated correctly is crucial to
being able to build such "smart" queries.

Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 04:51:03 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:51:03 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] content management framework question / musings
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEMOCFAA.khine@btinternet.com><006801c11032$b631a2c0$a5020a0a@private.nipltd.com> <3B56A57C.4A15CD32@nipltd.com> <995595560.911.7.camel@locutus.libc.org> <001a01c1111c$a6c465d0$c7010a0a@mcgeough> <3B600524.8080504@digicool.com> <024c01c115db$643376c0$c7010a0a@mcgeough> <3B60523A.8CD15086@caspiannetworks.com>
Message-ID: <3B662B27.9010208@palladion.com>

Kent Hoxsey wrote:

> We thought about doing something about the same as you describe, and
> then realized that the effectivity dates in the metadata for the
> portal types makes archiving a skinning issue. Since the items know
> their own expiration, all you need to maintain different 'current' and
> 'archived' views are a pair of skinning methods that search for
> different effectivity windows, and present all objects found. In other
> words, 'current' searches for (start_date<now) and (end_date>now),
> while 'archived' searches for (end_date < now).

BINGO!  You're there!


Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 05:03:37 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:03:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFTracker - missing Install.py
References: <3B62AE29.69F2C52F@execpc.com>
Message-ID: <3B662E19.30702@palladion.com>

Mark Langkau wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to try out the CMFTracker from the CVS checkout. However, when
> I tried the installation instructions I got an error setting up the
> external method for the install script. It's not there.
> 
> I realize this is not yet supported. I've now downloaded the Tracker
> product (TrackerBase) and will use that instead for now. I'm just
> curious when CMFTracker might be ready to use? If someone has
> installation instructions for the product as it exists now I'd really
> like to try it out and provide feedback.
> 
> Our internal CMF pilot is really taking off. I'd like to stay within CMF
> as much as possible.

All that is in the CMFTracker product at the moment is some docs
and specs for the code-to-be-built.  I expect to move forward on
the software by hook or by crook over the next few weeks.

Tres.
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From aeamalik@yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 05:04:17 2001
From: aeamalik@yahoo.com (Amr Malik)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:04:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF without portal like features
In-Reply-To: <3B661851.50206@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <20010731040417.82063.qmail@web11603.mail.yahoo.com>

> > I've seen very little beginner info that starts with using the different
> > types of CMF content types, despite having search through the docs and
> > exploring numerous times.
> 
> 
> You are going to have to customize more skins, if you don't like the
> current layout.
> 
> >  I believe that many other web developer's are
> > going to have this same need to have some sites that aren't portal
> > oriented for end users, but that still take advantage of the CMF
> > framework for either workflow or separation of presentation and content
> > or both.  So, I'd sure like to see some good tutorial docs geared toward
> > that.
> 
> 
> Could be you would write one?
> 

To take my own personal example, because I'm in the same kayak,
I am a beginner with CMF and I would love to write documentation for it, but
I am at a point currently where I can hardly tell my PortalWorkflow from my
PortalSkins, and it would be kinda tough to write anything useful! 

This documentation issue is a bit slippery one! How to write documentation
for something that you're trying to learn, without actually knowing the
system that you're trying to document. In my opinion, the initial
responsibility
lies with people who know the system to teach it to new comers (with some level
of detail which may seem redundant if not ridiculous to people who can crank
out a product in a matter of days!) 

  And I don't necessarily mean handholding 
and spoonfeeding people, but at least something that can be grokked by lessay
a current web-developer with some web-app/db/appsvr experience. Currently,
if there is any documentation available, sometimes it just talks about 
interfaces etc, and if one doesn't understand the framework (chicken) to begin
wit, they can't do anything useful with it to create anything usable (egg) 
such that they can build upon that knowledge and extend to suit their needs 
(chicken?)

The current method of everyone new to the system slogging through the code 
seems a bit inefficient and counter-productive as far as grassroots Zope+CMF 
penetration is concerned! But maybe that's not the goal to begin with, and I
just misunderstood the whole opensource thang!

just my 2 cents (canadian) :)

Amr

P.S I don't want to sound like an ungrateful prick! There is some documentation
for CMF, yet it seems mainly for the initiated (with some exceptions).
However, from where I stand, it seems like a sheer cliff, and it would take me 
a while to spin my own rope, smelt the iron and make myself the axe and the 
hooks and the rest of the climbing gear from scratch ;) (here I go with the 
cheezy metaphors again!)



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From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 05:11:17 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:11:17 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is there a way to change the meta-type of a number of object types
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEGJCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3B662FE5.8000808@palladion.com>

Norman Khine wrote:

> Hi,
> I have over 300 Documents that are a document type, I have now created a new
> type called Card which is based on the Document type, but this type only has
> a number of Subject topics taken from the original Document type.
> 
> So now I want to take all Documents with the specific topics and make them
> the new Card type.


I *think* that what you are looking for is the 'portal_type' attribute;
content objects use that attribute to find their type objects, which then
give them access to the other type-specific policies.  You should be able
to write an ExternalMethod which queries the catalog for the Documents
you would like to make into Cards, and then just set the attribute.

Something like:

   updated = []
   for brain in self.portal_catalog.searchResults( Type='Document'
                                                 # other criteria here
                                                 ):
       doc = brain.getObject()
       doc.portal_type = 'Card'
       updated.append( doc )

   for doc in updated:
       doc.reindexObject()


> I can create a Topic query which can list these items, but I don't think it
> is possible to change them, or is it?
> 
> Where in the system, does an object stores these detail and can it be
> changed?


Tres.
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From jfranz@US.NET  Tue Jul 31 05:32:38 2001
From: jfranz@US.NET (Jon Franz)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:32:38 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] odd problem with user management
Message-ID: <63641C91EC424D47A0913FD91483D22D214538@usnet-ex02.USNET.CORP>

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From aeamalik@yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 05:35:55 2001
From: aeamalik@yahoo.com (Amr Malik)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:35:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] I want to RTFM. Where is it?
In-Reply-To: <003701c118dd$6cae0ef0$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <20010731043555.55391.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com>

Might wannaa try ZWACK chapter 5 by beehive and the PortalPollProduct tutorial
They're quite helpful in explaining the basics.

Amr

--- Dario_Lopez-Kästen <dario@ita.chalmers.se> wrote:
> Or do I need to read the source for CMF? I can't seem to find it (the
> "manual", I allredy got the source :-).
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> /dario
> 
> - --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dario Lopez-Kästen     Systems Developer  Chalmers Univ. of Technology
> dario@ita.chalmers.se  ICQ will yield no hits    IT Systems & Services
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope-CMF maillist  -  Zope-CMF@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf
> 
> See http://www.zope.org/Products/PTK/Tracker for bug reports and feature
requests


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From waltonl@franklin.edu  Tue Jul 31 07:20:31 2001
From: waltonl@franklin.edu (Lynn Walton)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:20:31 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Using CMF without portal like features
References: <3B65F54A.AD5B7994@franklin.edu> <3B661851.50206@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <3B664E2F.38061E44@franklin.edu>

Thanks for the reply Tres.


> I said: If they can't log in, how do you plan to allow them access?
> You could move the login link up into the 'standard_top_bar', for
> instance.
>
> You said:> I want users who have been given access
> > using the usual ZMI user folders to be able to create CMF Documents in
> > our various subdirectories under the zope site root.

Can't they login to the ZMI rather than the portal to create CMF content?


> >  I believe that many other web developer's are
> > going to have this same need to have some sites that aren't portal
> > oriented for end users, but that still take advantage of the CMF
> > framework for either workflow or separation of presentation and content
> > or both.  So, I'd sure like to see some good tutorial docs geared toward
> > that.
>
> Could be you would write one?

If I get it figured out, I'd be willing. But, while I have some time to put
toward this, the learning curve seems SO steep, that I may forego using CMF at
all.

>
> > Also, can PageTemplates macro's and tal expressions be used inside a CMF
> > document? Or can they only be used in a PageTemplate document?
>
> Nope;  like DTML, TAL and METAL are *code*, not content;  CMFDocuments
> are *never* supposed to contain code.  If you find yourself thinking,
> "TAL would help here", then you are no longer doing "pure" content
> authoring;  you have slipped on the page designer hat.

OK, thanks for the reminder.

I'm still entertaining the idea of trying to find someone with enough
experience to give me GOOD guidance on using CMF with ZPT in a non-portal like
site for starters, to do some consulting (just telephone ... not in person) to
help answer enough questions to get us rolling.  Anyone who has the experience
and time and interest in doing this kind of consulting, please send me your
name, rates, and *brief* idea of experience pertaining to CMF/ZPT.

Thanks,
Lynn



From waltonl@franklin.edu  Tue Jul 31 07:23:39 2001
From: waltonl@franklin.edu (Lynn Walton)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:23:39 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF without portal like features
References: <20010731040417.82063.qmail@web11603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B664EEB.DDA233C3@franklin.edu>

I try not to use the mailing list just to post "here here" or "me too" type of
comments.  But in this case I'm going to make an exception because I feel like it
is VERY important that the CMF creators understand that this is how MANY
developer's feel.  I wholeheartedly agree with Amr's comments.

I want desperately to use the CMF, but the docs don't seem to start at anything
like the beginning.  And I agree that what Amr and I are asking for isn't spoon
feeding to a total ignoramus who isn't willing to do any work at all to help
himself, or to a total beginner at web application development.   But, I've been
trying for weeks to get enough info to make a decision to use CMF, and despite
pouring over everything written on the CMF website, I can't put the basics
together.  The docs spend  a lot of time on outlines or the conceptual idea of CMF,
but little on how to really do it. It's leading me to a decision not to use CMF,
which greatly saddens me since I think if there were enough docs that I think I
could put it together faster, and safer, then it would be the best decision for me
to go with.

It really does feel like Amr's "cheezy metaphor" .... that we're having to " spin
my own rope, smelt the iron and make myself the axe and the hooks and the rest of
the climbing gear from scratch".

I'm sympathetic to the folks trying to build and refine the CMF product not having
enough time to do docs too, but it doesn't help my frustration level.

Thanks,
Lynn


Amr Malik wrote:

> > > I've seen very little beginner info that starts with using the different
> > > types of CMF content types, despite having search through the docs and
> > > exploring numerous times.
> >
> >
> > You are going to have to customize more skins, if you don't like the
> > current layout.
> >
> > >  I believe that many other web developer's are
> > > going to have this same need to have some sites that aren't portal
> > > oriented for end users, but that still take advantage of the CMF
> > > framework for either workflow or separation of presentation and content
> > > or both.  So, I'd sure like to see some good tutorial docs geared toward
> > > that.
> >
> >
> > Could be you would write one?
> >
>
> To take my own personal example, because I'm in the same kayak,
> I am a beginner with CMF and I would love to write documentation for it, but
> I am at a point currently where I can hardly tell my PortalWorkflow from my
> PortalSkins, and it would be kinda tough to write anything useful!
>
> This documentation issue is a bit slippery one! How to write documentation
> for something that you're trying to learn, without actually knowing the
> system that you're trying to document. In my opinion, the initial
> responsibility
> lies with people who know the system to teach it to new comers (with some level
> of detail which may seem redundant if not ridiculous to people who can crank
> out a product in a matter of days!)
>
>   And I don't necessarily mean handholding
> and spoonfeeding people, but at least something that can be grokked by lessay
> a current web-developer with some web-app/db/appsvr experience. Currently,
> if there is any documentation available, sometimes it just talks about
> interfaces etc, and if one doesn't understand the framework (chicken) to begin
> wit, they can't do anything useful with it to create anything usable (egg)
> such that they can build upon that knowledge and extend to suit their needs
> (chicken?)
>
> The current method of everyone new to the system slogging through the code
> seems a bit inefficient and counter-productive as far as grassroots Zope+CMF
> penetration is concerned! But maybe that's not the goal to begin with, and I
> just misunderstood the whole opensource thang!
>
> just my 2 cents (canadian) :)
>
> Amr
>
> P.S I don't want to sound like an ungrateful prick! There is some documentation
> for CMF, yet it seems mainly for the initiated (with some exceptions).
> However, from where I stand, it seems like a sheer cliff, and it would take me
> a while to spin my own rope, smelt the iron and make myself the axe and the
> hooks and the rest of the climbing gear from scratch ;) (here I go with the
> cheezy metaphors again!)
>
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From khine@btinternet.com  Tue Jul 31 07:57:24 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:57:24 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is there a way to change the meta-type of a number of object types
In-Reply-To: <3B662FE5.8000808@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEHOCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Thanks Tres,
I hope you had a good "break", and seems your in-box is full;^)

Using the external method as described, does it mean, I can modify other
attributes, just by including

 doc = brain.getObject()
       doc.portal_type = 'Card'
---->  doc.review_state = 'published'
       updated.append( doc )

if I want to make all these documents published, for example?

Also, shouldn't portal_type be meta_type, as I am changing the meta_type
from Document to Card?

Regards

Norman


-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Tres Seaver
Sent: 31 July 2001 05:11
To: Norman Khine
Cc: Zope-CMF
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Is there a way to change the meta-type of a
number of object types


Norman Khine wrote:

> Hi,
> I have over 300 Documents that are a document type, I have now created a
new
> type called Card which is based on the Document type, but this type only
has
> a number of Subject topics taken from the original Document type.
>
> So now I want to take all Documents with the specific topics and make them
> the new Card type.


I *think* that what you are looking for is the 'portal_type' attribute;
content objects use that attribute to find their type objects, which then
give them access to the other type-specific policies.  You should be able
to write an ExternalMethod which queries the catalog for the Documents
you would like to make into Cards, and then just set the attribute.

Something like:

   updated = []
   for brain in self.portal_catalog.searchResults( Type='Document'
                                                 # other criteria here
                                                 ):
       doc = brain.getObject()
       doc.portal_type = 'Card'
       updated.append( doc )

   for doc in updated:
       doc.reindexObject()


> I can create a Topic query which can list these items, but I don't think
it
> is possible to change them, or is it?
>
> Where in the system, does an object stores these detail and can it be
> changed?


Tres.
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From dhanunjaya@mindscapecomputing.com  Tue Jul 31 07:41:44 2001
From: dhanunjaya@mindscapecomputing.com (Dhanu)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:11:44 +0530
Subject: [Zope-CMF] do i have to change site root?????
Message-ID: <000701c1198b$dd136970$4ac809c0@saraswathi>

Hai,
.........Iam using "zope-cmf"  via "apache"................

My cmfsite is at
http://MYIPAddress/zope/DHV

My problem is,
i cant view the images added via cmf.Because,the url generated by
<dtml-var tag> inside image_view
 is some thing like

"DHV/Members/dhanu/img.jpg "     instead of
"zope/DHV?Members/dhanu/img.jpg."

Do i need to change my siteroot path to /zope/.
If i do ,does this affect anything else??????
Or there any easy way like modifying   output of <dtml-var tag> with out
changing site root.?

I am little afraid of changing my site root ,as i failed to start working
with ZMI and reinstalled zope in the past.

Thank you,
regards,
dhanu






From dario@ita.chalmers.se  Tue Jul 31 08:13:36 2001
From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:13:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] I want to RTFM. Where is it?
References: <20010731043555.55391.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c11990$51625b70$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Amr Malik" <aeamalik@yahoo.com>
To: "Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten" <dario@ita.chalmers.se>; <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] I want to RTFM. Where is it?


> Might wannaa try ZWACK chapter 5 by beehive and the PortalPollProduct
tutorial
> They're quite helpful in explaining the basics.
>
> Amr

Hi,

Unfortunately ZWACK is not available until september, and there are no
excerpts available at the Beehive site AFAICT.

Will try to find the PortalPollProduct and have a look at it (I assume it=
 is
at the CMF site?)

Thanks,

/dario





From marc@bowery.com  Tue Jul 31 08:19:01 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 03:19:01 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] portaltitle:portaltitle ?? -- silly!
Message-ID: <B78BD425.1140C%marc@bowery.com>

I always thought it was silly that at the root (home) of your portal the
name (title) would appear twice in the top bar... now I did something about
it.

>From about line 19 of standard_top_bar.dtml, the stanza for the PortalTitle
changes to:

  <td class="PortalTitle" width="29%" align="left"
      valign="center">
   <h1><dtml-with portal_properties>&dtml-title;</dtml-with
   ><dtml-if "_.hasattr(this().aq_parent, 'portal_url')">
      <dtml-if name="Title">: &dtml-Title;</dtml-if></dtml-if></h1>
  </td>


(basically, code from folder_contents.dtml)




From dario@ita.chalmers.se  Tue Jul 31 08:22:42 2001
From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:22:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF without portal like features
References: <20010731040417.82063.qmail@web11603.mail.yahoo.com> <3B664EEB.DDA233C3@franklin.edu>
Message-ID: <002101c11991$962bf4e0$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>

Count me/us in into Amr's and Lynn's crowd as well. We'd love to use the
MCF, especially after Chris Wither's walkthrough of Swishdot at the Euroz=
ope
conference in Berin. What he does is to simply use the CMF as general
components/modules to build upon, and not only to be used for portal desi=
gn.

This is doc thing of the CMF is actually history repeating itself. Think
Zope about 1-1.5 yeas ago...

As lynn said, it is **very** hard to write docs about something you don't
understand. At the moment it is very hard for a newcomer looking at the C=
MF
for the first time to do any of the things mentioned in the "CMF Fact
Sheet"... **groan, groan**

We'll probably have to abandon CMF for the time being until we understand=
 it
a bit more. If I can find the time write som docs for internal use, I'll =
be
happy to make the available for general use, but this will probably not
happen until the end of year (we have a **very** tight schedule for the n=
ext
6 months, and I need time to grok the CMF...)

/dario

- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K=E4sten     Systems Developer  Chalmers Univ. of Technology
dario@ita.chalmers.se  ICQ will yield no hits    IT Systems & Services




From mpratt@beehive.de  Tue Jul 31 08:38:05 2001
From: mpratt@beehive.de (Mark Pratt)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:38:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [ez] Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF
 without portal like features
In-Reply-To: <002101c11991$962bf4e0$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10107310932460.19497-100000@apis.intern.beehive.de>

hi dario,

have you had a chance to take a look at our Chapter 5 from
the upcoming Sams book "Zope Web Application Construction
Kit".

its almost 100 pages of documentation about the CMF.

its very difficult to find on the cmf.zope.org since a link to=20
it seems to have been (accidentally removed). so here is the
URL:

http://cmf.zope.org/Members/beehive/ZWACKChap5.html

cheers,

mark

--------------------------------------------------------------
mark pratt  (managing director) =09mark@beehive.de
beehive elektronische medien GmbH       http://www.beehive.de
phone: +49 30 847-82 0                  fax: +49 30 847-82 299

On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Dario Lopez-K=E4sten wrote:

> Count me/us in into Amr's and Lynn's crowd as well. We'd love to use the
> MCF, especially after Chris Wither's walkthrough of Swishdot at the Euroz=
ope
> conference in Berin. What he does is to simply use the CMF as general
> components/modules to build upon, and not only to be used for portal desi=
gn.
>=20
> This is doc thing of the CMF is actually history repeating itself. Think
> Zope about 1-1.5 yeas ago...
>=20
> As lynn said, it is **very** hard to write docs about something you don't
> understand. At the moment it is very hard for a newcomer looking at the C=
MF
> for the first time to do any of the things mentioned in the "CMF Fact
> Sheet"... **groan, groan**
>=20
> We'll probably have to abandon CMF for the time being until we understand=
 it
> a bit more. If I can find the time write som docs for internal use, I'll =
be
> happy to make the available for general use, but this will probably not
> happen until the end of year (we have a **very** tight schedule for the n=
ext
> 6 months, and I need time to grok the CMF...)
>=20
> /dario
>=20
> - --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dario Lopez-K=E4sten     Systems Developer  Chalmers Univ. of Technology
> dario@ita.chalmers.se  ICQ will yield no hits    IT Systems & Services
>=20
>=20
>=20
> _____________________________________________________
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> https://admin.comlounge.net/mailman/listinfo/eurozope
>=20



From yokemay@apdip.net  Tue Jul 31 10:12:16 2001
From: yokemay@apdip.net (Yoke May Seow)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:12:16 +0800
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Recover CMF
Message-ID: <000901c119a0$e5ca80c0$175ebbca@apdip.net>

Hi,
	My Zope crashed today and it was reinstalled again. Unfortunately, I've to
do a fresh installation and therefore, my CMF is lost.
	How do i recover my previous (backup copy) of my CMF?

	Please advise.

Regards,
Yoke May



From pra@baba9.com  Tue Jul 31 11:21:34 2001
From: pra@baba9.com (Priya Ramkumar)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:51:34 +0530
Subject: [Zope-CMF] News Item view
Message-ID: <005701c119aa$9329a800$0f00a8c0@websoft.com>

Hi

I am using CMF1.1 and Zope version 2.3.3. I use structured text to create
the documents. It works fine with document type content. But when I create
news items, it expects me to type the content in html. I would like to use
structured text to create news items too. Could anyone please tell me what I
should do to type content in structured text?

Thanks for any help or suggestion.

Regards,
Priya



From sedat@kibele.com  Tue Jul 31 12:40:33 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (Sedat Yilmazer)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:40:33 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Recover CMF
In-Reply-To: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B930A7EBB@kibele.localnet.net>
Message-ID: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C51F@kibele.localnet.net>

 Do you have the Data.fs somewhere backed up? All your CMF content is =
keep there.
If you have it then you might=20

 1-) Save your current Data.fs somewhere
 2-) Replace Data=E7fs with your backup copy
 3-) Export your CMF branch
 4-) Copy your saved Data.fs (in step1) back
 5-) Import your CMF back into your new Site


 Sedat

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Yoke May Seow
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:12 PM
To: zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Recover CMF


Hi,
	My Zope crashed today and it was reinstalled again. Unfortunately, I've =
to
do a fresh installation and therefore, my CMF is lost.
	How do i recover my previous (backup copy) of my CMF?

	Please advise.

Regards,
Yoke May


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From Andrew Sawyers" <andrew@zope.com  Tue Jul 31 16:10:55 2001
From: Andrew Sawyers" <andrew@zope.com (Andrew Sawyers)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:10:55 -0700
Subject: [Zope-CMF] portaltitle:portaltitle ?? -- silly!
References: <B78BD425.1140C%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <002801c119d2$ff3c6820$0100a8c0@enfer.netcasting.net>

I've actually pulled this completely from the ZPT based skins; it get's
moved down onto the content item.  The only content item that's been updated
is the document; the rest are coming.
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "marc lindahl" <marc@bowery.com>
To: <zope-cmf@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:19 AM
Subject: [Zope-CMF] portaltitle:portaltitle ?? -- silly!


> I always thought it was silly that at the root (home) of your portal the
> name (title) would appear twice in the top bar... now I did something
about
> it.
>
> >From about line 19 of standard_top_bar.dtml, the stanza for the
PortalTitle
> changes to:
>
>   <td class="PortalTitle" width="29%" align="left"
>       valign="center">
>    <h1><dtml-with portal_properties>&dtml-title;</dtml-with
>    ><dtml-if "_.hasattr(this().aq_parent, 'portal_url')">
>       <dtml-if name="Title">: &dtml-Title;</dtml-if></dtml-if></h1>
>   </td>
>
>
> (basically, code from folder_contents.dtml)
>
>
>
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 13:14:39 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:14:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Using CMF without portal like features
References: <3B65F54A.AD5B7994@franklin.edu> <3B661851.50206@palladion.com> <3B664E2F.38061E44@franklin.edu>
Message-ID: <3B66A12F.8030809@palladion.com>

Lynn Walton wrote:

> Thanks for the reply Tres.

 >

>>I said: If they can't log in, how do you plan to allow them access?
>>You could move the login link up into the 'standard_top_bar', for
>>instance.
>>
>>You said:> I want users who have been given access
>>
>>>using the usual ZMI user folders to be able to create CMF Documents in
>>>our various subdirectories under the zope site root.
>>>
> 
> Can't they login to the ZMI rather than the portal to create CMF content?


Not fully:  the ZMI isn't wired up to the skins, for instance, which
means that many of the interactions needed to complete the content
authoring process (e.g., interacting with workflow, etc.) wouldn't
be available.  The ZMI machinery won't set the 'portal_type' attribute,
either, which will break lots of the other mechanisms.

Perhaps you need to build a default skin for anonymous viewers which
has no actions box;  your content authors could log in through a well-known
URL, without needing a "login" link on the page perhaps?


Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 13:17:55 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:17:55 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF without portal like features
References: <20010731040417.82063.qmail@web11603.mail.yahoo.com> <3B664EEB.DDA233C3@franklin.edu>
Message-ID: <3B66A1F3.6060900@palladion.com>

Lynn Walton wrote:

> I try not to use the mailing list just to post "here here" or "me too" type of
> comments.  But in this case I'm going to make an exception because I feel like it
> is VERY important that the CMF creators understand that this is how MANY
> developer's feel.  I wholeheartedly agree with Amr's comments.
> 
> I want desperately to use the CMF, but the docs don't seem to start at anything
> like the beginning.  And I agree that what Amr and I are asking for isn't spoon
> feeding to a total ignoramus who isn't willing to do any work at all to help
> himself, or to a total beginner at web application development.   But, I've been
> trying for weeks to get enough info to make a decision to use CMF, and despite
> pouring over everything written on the CMF website, I can't put the basics
> together.  The docs spend  a lot of time on outlines or the conceptual idea of CMF,
> but little on how to really do it. It's leading me to a decision not to use CMF,
> which greatly saddens me since I think if there were enough docs that I think I
> could put it together faster, and safer, then it would be the best decision for me
> to go with.
> 
> It really does feel like Amr's "cheezy metaphor" .... that we're having to " spin
> my own rope, smelt the iron and make myself the axe and the hooks and the rest of
> the climbing gear from scratch".
> 
> I'm sympathetic to the folks trying to build and refine the CMF product not having
> enough time to do docs too, but it doesn't help my frustration level.


Perhaps the slides from my OSCon tutorial would help some:

   http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/building_sites


The original text is there as portal content, along with the

StarOffice slides.

The outline implied by the slides is a likely start on a "CMF 

Site Manager's Guide", I think.

Tres.
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 13:22:21 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:22:21 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is there a way to change the meta-type of a number of object types
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEHOCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3B66A2FD.8040901@palladion.com>

Norman Khine wrote:

> Using the external method as described, does it mean, I can modify other
> attributes, just by including
> 
>  doc = brain.getObject()
>        doc.portal_type = 'Card'
> ---->  doc.review_state = 'published'
>        updated.append( doc )
> 
> if I want to make all these documents published, for example?


Yes, that is possible.  You might rather call the appropriate
workflow methods, however, as setting the attribute directly
breaks encapsulation;  for a one-time hack, it won't be too awful.


> Also, shouldn't portal_type be meta_type, as I am changing the meta_type
> from Document to Card?

If I understood your original question, you have created a new

type object, "Card", based against the CMFDefault.Document Python
class.  In this case, the 'meta_type' of the instances will still
be 'Document', but the 'portal_type' (the ID of the type objects)
will be 'Card'.  I can't think of any time when I would want to
set the 'meta_type' on an instance to be different from its class.

Tres.
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From tol@tanghus.dk  Tue Jul 31 13:20:04 2001
From: tol@tanghus.dk (Thomas Olsen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:20:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor/CMFCalendar
Message-ID: <20010731122546.AD4F23861F@aadal.tanghus.dk>

Hi

If anyones interested I have ported event_view and event_edit_form from 
CMFCalendar to ZPT.

They can be found at http://www.tanghus.dk/Members/tol/CMFDecor/calendar 
(This is just a testground site so dont mind the dummy content ;-)

-- 
Regards,
	Thomas Olsen


From sedat@kibele.com  Tue Jul 31 13:42:30 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (Sedat Yilmazer)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:42:30 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF without portal like features
In-Reply-To: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B930A7EC0@kibele.localnet.net>
Message-ID: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C523@kibele.localnet.net>


 The link for OSCon tutorial below gets me nowhere! Does anybody managed =
to see these slides

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Tres Seaver
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:18 PM
To: Lynn Walton; zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF
without portal like features

Perhaps the slides from my OSCon tutorial would help some:

   http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/building_sites


The original text is there as portal content, along with the

StarOffice slides.

The outline implied by the slides is a likely start on a "CMF=20

Site Manager's Guide", I think.

Tres.
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From sedat@kibele.com  Tue Jul 31 13:52:07 2001
From: sedat@kibele.com (Sedat Yilmazer)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:52:07 +0300
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF without portal like features
In-Reply-To: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B930A7EB8@kibele.localnet.net>
Message-ID: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C524@kibele.localnet.net>

 Could the DC open up the design Documentation ( or the design doc is =
the CMF itself). I hope there are some docs for CMF such as Toplevel =
Design Deocumentation or better a detailed design documentation. Are =
these to specific to DC (huups I mean ZC)=20

 Sedat

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Dario Lopez-K=E4sten
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:23 AM
To: zope-cmf@zope.org
Cc: eurozope
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF
without portal like features


Count me/us in into Amr's and Lynn's crowd as well. We'd love to use the
MCF, especially after Chris Wither's walkthrough of Swishdot at the =
Eurozope
conference in Berin. What he does is to simply use the CMF as general
components/modules to build upon, and not only to be used for portal =
design.

This is doc thing of the CMF is actually history repeating itself. Think
Zope about 1-1.5 yeas ago...

As lynn said, it is **very** hard to write docs about something you =
don't
understand. At the moment it is very hard for a newcomer looking at the =
CMF
for the first time to do any of the things mentioned in the "CMF Fact
Sheet"... **groan, groan**

We'll probably have to abandon CMF for the time being until we =
understand it
a bit more. If I can find the time write som docs for internal use, I'll =
be
happy to make the available for general use, but this will probably not
happen until the end of year (we have a **very** tight schedule for the =
next
6 months, and I need time to grok the CMF...)

/dario

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From bkc@murkworks.com  Tue Jul 31 14:25:27 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:25:27 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Using CMF without portal like features
In-Reply-To: <3B664E2F.38061E44@franklin.edu>
Message-ID: <3B667A36.1118.8E02A23@localhost>

On 31 Jul 2001, at 1:20, Lynn Walton wrote:

> I'm still entertaining the idea of trying to find someone with enough
> experience to give me GOOD guidance on using CMF with ZPT in a non-portal
> like site for starters, to do some consulting (just telephone ... not in
> person) to help answer enough questions to get us rolling.  Anyone who has
> the experience and time and interest in doing this kind of consulting,
> please send me your name, rates, and *brief* idea of experience pertaining
> to CMF/ZPT.

I'm a consultant using Zope and CMF and I need to do what you want to do.

I'm not looking for a consulting job from this, got too much to do!

Anyway, here's the approach I'm taking.

1. Objective : allow 1000+ wood product manufacturers to maintain public information 
about their companies, their products and pictures of their products.

2. Allow anonymous users to browse/search for products or companies that work with 
specific wood types (mahogany, for example), search criteria will also include "show me 
within x miles of this zipcode), etc.

3. "Shrink-wrap" the site onto a CD for distribution to Windows clients.. (down the road)

I did the http://www.AdirondackCraft.com website in Zope on RH Linux with Interbase. 
Product images are stored in the Zope site, and product inventory information is stored 
in Interbase. 

To meet goal #3, I chose to put everything into Zope by creating new portal types 
derived from ZClasses (had started this site using ZClasses, just rebased them to use 
CMF types instead).

So now we have Company, Product and ProductImage. ProductImage includes 
automatic thumbnails by using PIL and attaching the thumbnail data as a string property 
associated with the ProductImage instance. Is that a hack?

I created the CMF folder as a sub-folder of the main site. Manufacturers will go directly 
to the CMF to manage their products. The root site folder (above CMF) will use CMF 
Topics to do the searching, but display the results either using ZPT methods that are 
instances of the Zclasses, or new ZPT methods stored in the root folder.

This way I'm hoping that "typical public users" won't have any idea how the underlying 
stuff is stored or managed, yet the CMF interface will still be used by maintainers.. Will 
know later today if this works, as I'm planning to populate the site with 700 
manufacturers..

Site Layout:

/Root
     /AdkWood       (this is where Apache will proxy to)
               /CMF
                       /Members
                                /CompanyA
                                          /CompanyInfo (CMF Content/ZClass Instance)
                                                         /ProductA    (CMF Content/ZClass)
                                                                 /ImageA
                                                                 /ImageB
                                                         /ProductB
                                                                 /ImageA
                                /CompanyB
                                          /CompanyInfo (CMF Content/ZClass Instance)
                                                         /ProductA    (CMF Content/ZClass)
                                                                 /ImageA
                                                                 /ImageB
 



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From dario@ita.chalmers.se  Tue Jul 31 16:00:26 2001
From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:00:26 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] OSCon tutorial by Tres Seaver
Message-ID: <006301c119d1$880a4c00$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>

Excellent stuff, tahnk you for making itavailable.

One thing:

this link:

http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/building_sites/authoring_con=
ten
t/structured_text

gives me an unauthorized error.

Cheers,

/dario

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From dan@control.com  Tue Jul 31 16:12:49 2001
From: dan@control.com (Dan L. Pierson)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:12:49 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] odd problem with user management
In-Reply-To: <63641C91EC424D47A0913FD91483D22D214538@usnet-ex02.USNET.CORP>
Message-ID: <126430000.996592369@daystar.control.com>


--On Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:32:38 AM -0400 Jon Franz <jfranz@US.NET> 
wrote:

> As for making the code change a product: I'd be happy to do that, but
> the code requires and expexcts certain properties to exist on the main
> portal itself, and on the users.  I'm not too sure how to go about
> writing an install to add these properties programatically - I'm sure
> its not too hard, I'm just short on time, due to the nature of my job.

CMFCore/RegistrationTool.py is the implementation of the tool 
'portal_registration';
there can only be one instance of a CMF tool on a site at a time.
What Tres was suggesting is what we do:

1. make your own subclass of CMFCore.Registration.RegistrationTool
2. delete the standard CMF tool portal_registration
3. create an instance of your tool in it's place

Then *all* CMF registration actions will go through your tool.  Your tool,
or other custom tools of yours, would be responsible for managing your
site-specific properties.  At this point we have: portal_registration,
portal_membership, portal_actions and portal_url as our own subclasses.

The advantage of doing things this was is that upgrading to new versions of
the CMF is MUCH, MUCH easier.




From steve@spvi.com  Tue Jul 31 16:24:48 2001
From: steve@spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:24:48 -0500
Subject: [Zope-CMF] view_source on dogbowl?
In-Reply-To: <002801c119d2$ff3c6820$0100a8c0@enfer.netcasting.net>
Message-ID: <200107311532.f6VFWsK92704@obsidian.spvi.com>

Hi (D/Z)C folk,

How hard would it be to add 'view_source' to the dogbowl, like Zope.org? 
That might help newbies see how things are done...

-steve



From dan@control.com  Tue Jul 31 16:38:08 2001
From: dan@control.com (Dan L. Pierson)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:38:08 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMFDecor troubles
In-Reply-To: <3B65AA0F.6030606@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <130450000.996593888@daystar.control.com>


--On Monday, July 30, 2001 02:40:15 PM -0400 Tres Seaver 
<tseaver@palladion.com> wrote:

> Dan L. Pierson wrote:
>
>> Partly.  I'd really like some idea of how long it will stay 2.3
>> compatible and some very visible notice when that is broken.
>
> My crystal ball is a bit murky, but it is my current guess that
> the biggest distinguising feature of the next "major" Zope release
> ("2.5" is the most likely label) will be folding ZPT into the core.
> At that point (could be as early as September), we will replace the
> DTML-based HTML skins with their ZPT-based equivalents, and rev the
> CMF.   From that point forward, you will have to have ZPT installed
> in order to use the default skins.

Thanks, that helps a lot.  We'd really like to move to ZPT as well,
but there's just too much custom DTML for a small staff to switch over
as quickly as we'd like.

> We won't introduce gratuitous incompatibilities with Zope 2.3 into
> the CMF codebase;  I won't guarantee that some Python 2.x-isms won't
> creep in, however (e.g., support of Unicode).

That scares me a bit, but we'll have to live with it.  So does the
prospect of 2.5.0 :-)  From past history, Zope 2.x.0 hasn't been all
that stable, .1 is better, and .2+ is about what I'd like to base
a live site on.

We don't want indefinite support, but we really can't afford to go
through major Zope upgrades more than twice a year at the very most.
When the time comes we'll probably just have to step back from the
bleeding edge and keep the older version running for a while without
doing much with the new stuff.



From hamish_lawson@yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 18:19:08 2001
From: hamish_lawson@yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Hamish=20Lawson?=)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:19:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] I want to RTFM. Where is it?
Message-ID: <20010731171908.49290.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com>

> > Might wannaa try ZWACK chapter 5 by beehive 

> Unfortunately ZWACK is not available until september, and there are
no
> excerpts available at the Beehive site AFAICT.

Hi Dario

Try:

    http://cmf.zope.org/Members/beehive/ZWACKChap5.html/view

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From uriel.gomez@ccpace.com  Tue Jul 31 18:28:42 2001
From: uriel.gomez@ccpace.com (Gomez, Uriel)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:28:42 -0400
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Dynamic Menu Navigation
Message-ID: <1C90DA898152D3119FBD0090278A3B2C0150562D@PMS01>

I need ideas.  I am using CMF for my company's Intranet content submission
system.  Our Intranet has 10 different sections.  Each section has its own
content submission interface.  So naturally the menu interface will be
different and variant.  Here is what I need:  I need to design a dynamic
menu for the Intranet of all the published objects.  Two objects portal
folders and documents will populate this menu.  
Is there a zope product out there that I can use??  
I was looking at dtm-tree.  Has any one played w/this product?? 
I am coming out short of ideas.  Help, thanks.

Uriel G,

C.C. Pace Systems, Inc
703-631-6600
"Mathematics is music for the mind, and Music is Mathematics for the Soul."
- J.S. Bach




From Stephen.Boddy@btcellnet.net  Tue Jul 31 19:17:11 2001
From: Stephen.Boddy@btcellnet.net (Boddy Stephen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:17:11 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF withou
 t portal like features
Message-ID: <5E5EEA049DAED31195A10008C7A4385B1FFFAC@skye.cellnet.co.uk>

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Tres,

I'm not attacking you Tres, but this is a perfect example of the problem.
These slides tell me (a grasshopper) what the CMF can do, without explaining
the techniques you (the Master) would use. Short of me spending the next
several months reading code, (particularly code written by someone else
who's a more experienced coder, and possibly :o) much smarter than me) then
it is highly unlikely that I, or someone like me, is going to be able to
create this documentation.

Until someone with the knowledge and understanding takes on the onerous,
difficult and decidedly boring task of creating end-user documentation,
there will be a limited take up of CMF. This is not because of inherent
problems / shortcomings of CMF, but rather the large investment of time to
achieve professional, commercially acceptable results. At a time when time
is at a premium, it's difficult to justify the time needed to understand the
CMF, in order to make a judgment call as to whether it's viable, write
documentation, or adapt it to one's needs.

In the long run I could see the documentation helping out. There seems to
lots of newbie style questions on this list, which to me should be more
about the development, bug-fixin' and improvement of CMF. A reduction in
this level of "noise" (Zope-CMF-[FAQ|Newbie]? Vote now!) would probably
justify a knowledgable persons time. I'm sure there'd be dozens of
beta-readers on this list alone.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Tres Seaver [mailto:tseaver@palladion.com]
Sent: 31 July 2001 13:18
To: Lynn Walton; zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF
without portal like features


Lynn Walton wrote:

> I try not to use the mailing list just to post "here here" or "me too"
type of
> comments.  But in this case I'm going to make an exception because I feel
like it
> is VERY important that the CMF creators understand that this is how MANY
> developer's feel.  I wholeheartedly agree with Amr's comments.
> 
> I want desperately to use the CMF, but the docs don't seem to start at
anything
> like the beginning.  And I agree that what Amr and I are asking for isn't
spoon
> feeding to a total ignoramus who isn't willing to do any work at all to
help
> himself, or to a total beginner at web application development.   But,
I've been
> trying for weeks to get enough info to make a decision to use CMF, and
despite
> pouring over everything written on the CMF website, I can't put the basics
> together.  The docs spend  a lot of time on outlines or the conceptual
idea of CMF,
> but little on how to really do it. It's leading me to a decision not to
use CMF,
> which greatly saddens me since I think if there were enough docs that I
think I
> could put it together faster, and safer, then it would be the best
decision for me
> to go with.
> 
> It really does feel like Amr's "cheezy metaphor" .... that we're having to
" spin
> my own rope, smelt the iron and make myself the axe and the hooks and the
rest of
> the climbing gear from scratch".
> 
> I'm sympathetic to the folks trying to build and refine the CMF product
not having
> enough time to do docs too, but it doesn't help my frustration level.


Perhaps the slides from my OSCon tutorial would help some:

   http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/building_sites


The original text is there as portal content, along with the

StarOffice slides.

The outline implied by the slides is a likely start on a "CMF 

Site Manager's Guide", I think.

Tres.
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm not attacking you Tres, but this is a perfect =
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coder, and possibly :o) much smarter than me) then it is highly =
unlikely that I, or someone like me, is going to be able to create this =
documentation.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Until someone with the knowledge and understanding =
takes on the onerous, difficult and decidedly boring task of creating =
end-user documentation, there will be a limited take up of CMF. This is =
not because of inherent problems / shortcomings of CMF, but rather the =
large investment of time to achieve professional, commercially =
acceptable results. At a time when time is at a premium, it's difficult =
to justify the time needed to understand the CMF, in order to make a =
judgment call as to whether it's viable, write documentation, or adapt =
it to one's needs.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In the long run I could see the documentation helping =
out. There seems to lots of newbie style questions on this list, which =
to me should be more about the development, bug-fixin' and improvement =
of CMF. A reduction in this level of &quot;noise&quot; =
(Zope-CMF-[FAQ|Newbie]? Vote now!) would probably justify a =
knowledgable persons time. I'm sure there'd be dozens of beta-readers =
on this list alone.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Regards</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Steve</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Tres Seaver [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:tseaver@palladion.com">mailto:tseaver@palladion.com</A>]<=
/FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: 31 July 2001 13:18</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Lynn Walton; zope-cmf@zope.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- =
WAS -- Using CMF</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>without portal like features</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Lynn Walton wrote:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I try not to use the mailing list just to post =
&quot;here here&quot; or &quot;me too&quot; type of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; comments.&nbsp; But in this case I'm going to =
make an exception because I feel like it</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; is VERY important that the CMF creators =
understand that this is how MANY</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; developer's feel.&nbsp; I wholeheartedly agree =
with Amr's comments.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I want desperately to use the CMF, but the docs =
don't seem to start at anything</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; like the beginning.&nbsp; And I agree that what =
Amr and I are asking for isn't spoon</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; feeding to a total ignoramus who isn't willing =
to do any work at all to help</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; himself, or to a total beginner at web =
application development.&nbsp;&nbsp; But, I've been</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; trying for weeks to get enough info to make a =
decision to use CMF, and despite</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; pouring over everything written on the CMF =
website, I can't put the basics</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; together.&nbsp; The docs spend&nbsp; a lot of =
time on outlines or the conceptual idea of CMF,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; but little on how to really do it. It's leading =
me to a decision not to use CMF,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; which greatly saddens me since I think if there =
were enough docs that I think I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; could put it together faster, and safer, then =
it would be the best decision for me</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; to go with.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; It really does feel like Amr's &quot;cheezy =
metaphor&quot; .... that we're having to &quot; spin</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; my own rope, smelt the iron and make myself the =
axe and the hooks and the rest of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; the climbing gear from scratch&quot;.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I'm sympathetic to the folks trying to build =
and refine the CMF product not having</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; enough time to do docs too, but it doesn't help =
my frustration level.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Perhaps the slides from my OSCon tutorial would help =
some:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; <A =
HREF=3D"http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/building_sites" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/building_=
sites</A></FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The original text is there as portal content, along =
with the</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>StarOffice slides.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The outline implied by the slides is a likely start =
on a &quot;CMF </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Site Manager's Guide&quot;, I think.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Tres.</FONT>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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tseaver@zope.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Zope Corporation&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&quot;Zope Dealers&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.zope.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.zope.com</A></FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>_______________________________________________</FONT>
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From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 18:49:47 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:49:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF without
 portal like features
In-Reply-To: <C1EDBF5AD727D411B9940000B48C7B9306C523@kibele.localnet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107311348140.4547-100000@localhost>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Sedat Yilmazer wrote:

>  The link for OSCon tutorial below gets me nowhere! Does
>  anybody managed to see these slides

Hmm, works for me, even as anonymous.  I see the standard dogbowl
folder view, with three items under "Documents, Images, and
Files" and eight subfolders.

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Tres Seaver
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:18 PM
> To: Lynn Walton; zope-cmf@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF
> without portal like features
> 
> Perhaps the slides from my OSCon tutorial would help some:
> 
>    http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/building_sites
> 
> 
> The original text is there as portal content, along with the
> 
> StarOffice slides.
> 
> The outline implied by the slides is a likely start on a "CMF 
> 
> Site Manager's Guide", I think.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@zope.com
Zope Corporation      "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.com



From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 18:52:07 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:52:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] OSCon tutorial by Tres Seaver
In-Reply-To: <006301c119d1$880a4c00$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107311351380.4547-100000@localhost>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Dario Lopez-K=E4sten wrote:

> Excellent stuff, tahnk you for making itavailable.
>=20
> One thing:
>=20
> this link:
>=20
> http://cmf.zope.org/Members/tseaver/oss_2001/building_sites/authoring_con=
ten
> t/structured_text
>=20
> gives me an unauthorized error.

Thanks, I hadn't gotten that document published.

Tres.
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Tres Seaver                                tseaver@zope.com
Zope Corporation      "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.com



From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 18:58:09 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:58:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: OSCon tutorial slides
In-Reply-To: <OF5BFE411B.1BCDC414-ON86256A9A.004FB160@loewen.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107311357400.4547-100000@localhost>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 davelehman@loewen.com wrote:

> I realize you are a busy man, but if there is any way you could post your
> OSCon slides in Powerpoint format (I believe Staroffice makes this fairly
> easy) it would be greatly appreciated! You can e-mail them to me if you
> wish, or post them on your homepage.

Done, thanks for pointing this out.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@zope.com
Zope Corporation      "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.com



From slash@dotnetslash.net  Tue Jul 31 20:55:00 2001
From: slash@dotnetslash.net (Mark W. Alexander)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:55:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] embed Zope applications in CMF
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107311551570.12828-100000@llave.eproinet.com>

I'm looking at CMF for a intranet portal. I've got some existing Zope
applications that I'd like to make available to members, but only
those with appropriate roles withing the portal membership. Is there
any documentation describing this process?

-- 
Mark W. Alexander
slash@dotnetslash.net



From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue Jul 31 19:06:11 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:06:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Chicken and the Egg -- WAS -- Using CMF withou
 t portal like features
In-Reply-To: <5E5EEA049DAED31195A10008C7A4385B1FFFAC@skye.cellnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107311401520.4547-100000@localhost>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Boddy Stephen wrote:

> Tres,
> 
> I'm not attacking you Tres, but this is a perfect example of the problem.
> These slides tell me (a grasshopper) what the CMF can do, without explaining
> the techniques you (the Master) would use. Short of me spending the next
> several months reading code, (particularly code written by someone else
> who's a more experienced coder, and possibly :o) much smarter than me) then
> it is highly unlikely that I, or someone like me, is going to be able to
> create this documentation.

I'd just like to reiterate the tail end of my message:

> > The outline implied by the slides is a likely start on a "CMF 
> > Site Manager's Guide", I think.

I think that fleshing out the "skeleton" indicated by those slides
into a real manual is a desirable goal;  not only that, it is one I
am likely to have resources for in the near term.
 
> Until someone with the knowledge and understanding takes on the onerous,
> difficult and decidedly boring task of creating end-user documentation,
> there will be a limited take up of CMF. This is not because of inherent
> problems / shortcomings of CMF, but rather the large investment of time to
> achieve professional, commercially acceptable results. At a time when time
> is at a premium, it's difficult to justify the time needed to understand the
> CMF, in order to make a judgment call as to whether it's viable, write
> documentation, or adapt it to one's needs.
> 
> In the long run I could see the documentation helping out. There seems to
> lots of newbie style questions on this list, which to me should be more
> about the development, bug-fixin' and improvement of CMF. A reduction in
> this level of "noise" (Zope-CMF-[FAQ|Newbie]? Vote now!) would probably
> justify a knowledgable persons time. I'm sure there'd be dozens of
> beta-readers on this list alone.

I think that there *are* people on this list who *can* help create
the required documentation;  I would be delighted to enlist as many
as practical in the effort.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@zope.com
Zope Corporation      "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.com



From khine@btinternet.com  Tue Jul 31 23:26:44 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:26:44 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] Is there a way to change the meta-type of a number of object types
In-Reply-To: <3B66A2FD.8040901@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOKEIMCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Hello Tres,
Sorry to bother you with trivia stuff, but I am having difficulties in
running the external method and get the following error:

Error Type: NameError
Error Value: name 'self' is not defined

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2.4.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
223, in publish_module
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2.4.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
187, in publish
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2.4.0/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 226, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2.4.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
171, in publish
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2.4.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160,
in mapply
    (Object: manage_addExternalMethod)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2.4.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
112, in call_object
    (Object: manage_addExternalMethod)
  File
/usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2.4.0/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod
.py, line 131, in manage_addExternalMethod
  File
/usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2.4.0/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod
.py, line 179, in __init__
    (Object: update)
  File
/usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2.4.0/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod
.py, line 202, in manage_edit
    (Object: update)
  File
/usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2.4.0/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod
.py, line 209, in getFunction
    (Object: update)
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2.4.0/lib/python/App/Extensions.py, line 217, in
getObject
    (Info: ('/usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2.4.0/Extensions/change_type.py',
'change_type'))
  File /usr/home/dsuk5/zope/2.4.0/Extensions/change_type.py, line 2, in ?
NameError: (see above)

Any help would be much welcomed.

Regrds

Norman

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Tres Seaver
Sent: 31 July 2001 13:22
To: Norman Khine
Cc: Zope-CMF
Subject: Re: [Zope-CMF] Is there a way to change the meta-type of a
number of object types


Norman Khine wrote:

> Using the external method as described, does it mean, I can modify other
> attributes, just by including
>
>  doc = brain.getObject()
>        doc.portal_type = 'Card'
> ---->  doc.review_state = 'published'
>        updated.append( doc )
>
> if I want to make all these documents published, for example?


Yes, that is possible.  You might rather call the appropriate
workflow methods, however, as setting the attribute directly
breaks encapsulation;  for a one-time hack, it won't be too awful.


> Also, shouldn't portal_type be meta_type, as I am changing the meta_type
> from Document to Card?

If I understood your original question, you have created a new

type object, "Card", based against the CMFDefault.Document Python
class.  In this case, the 'meta_type' of the instances will still
be 'Document', but the 'portal_type' (the ID of the type objects)
will be 'Card'.  I can't think of any time when I would want to
set the 'meta_type' on an instance to be different from its class.

Tres.
--
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@zope.com
Zope Corporation      "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.com


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From khine@btinternet.com  Tue Jul 31 23:41:02 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:41:02 +0100
Subject: [Zope-CMF] embed Zope applications in CMF
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0107311551570.12828-100000@llave.eproinet.com>
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOEEINCGAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Mark,
The way I installed additional applications to the CMF was to put all the
folders within the portal_skins/custom folder. You must ensure that the url
links within your application match that of the portal or put
"&dtml-portal_url;/folder"

an easy example is to put the SQLPoll product within your customs folder,
stick the database on the root of the portal, or anywhere above your skins
folder and you will have an external product running within your CMF.

i think a lot of the misunderstanding about the cmf is that it is not that
difficult to customise and add additional functionality to it, as some may
have thought. the main thing the cmf provides you with is a frame work with
core requirements to get you up and running without having to do a lot. But
should you want to extend it then the same principles apply as to when one
writes an application in pure zope, security included.

hth

regards

norman
-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Mark W. Alexander
Sent: 31 July 2001 20:55
To: zope-cmf@zope.org
Subject: [Zope-CMF] embed Zope applications in CMF


I'm looking at CMF for a intranet portal. I've got some existing Zope
applications that I'd like to make available to members, but only
those with appropriate roles withing the portal membership. Is there
any documentation describing this process?

--
Mark W. Alexander
slash@dotnetslash.net


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From norbert@attira.com  Tue Jul 31 23:44:46 2001
From: norbert@attira.com (Norbert Marrale)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:44:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope-CMF] CMF Registration Email Headers
Message-ID: <3B6750FE.32465.31C57B1@localhost>

I hope I'm not being too impatient here, as no reaction from the list 
yesterday :) but it looks like the email headers created in the 
confirmation message after initial registration and when sending the 
password reminder are crooked!  

As in:

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 21:15:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Norbert Marrale <community@embassyweb.com>  
Message-Id: <200107300115.f6U1FAJ22713@Improv.Openlearning.net> 
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
X-UIDL: ITI"!YJ@"!bPC"!XL,#!
X-MDRcpt-To: reg@mail.infocatch.com  
X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: reg@mail.infocatch.com  
Reply-To: community@embassyweb.com  

To: reg@infocatch.com  
From: "EmbassyWeb Community Administrator" 
<community@embassyweb.com>  
Subject: Portal Membership Information

Note the blank line between the Reply-To and To headers. This causes 
the final two lines to be inserted in the message body instead of the 
header.

Can any of you even reproduce this?

Norbert  

On the Road of Life, 
there are Tourists and there are Travelers.
I'd rather be Traveling!

Norbert Marrale
norbert@infocatch.com