[Grok-dev] ZTK and zopeapp

Souheil CHELFOUH trollfot at gmail.com
Wed Dec 30 07:21:56 EST 2009

I would love to be able to ditch zope.app out of grok. This can be
used by extensions libraries, but, Grok itself has no reason to use
it, according to me.
We need, of course, to provide alternatives, especially for advanced
features, like authentication, etc.
In Dolmen, I try to avoid the use of zope.app also. I'm not sure what
needs to be done for Grok 1.1 though.
What decision is needed ? What do we need to do ?

2009/12/30 Martijn Faassen <faassen at startifact.com>:
> Hi there,
> We're aiming to use the ZTK with Grok 1.1.
> There have been some shifts in the ZTK recently. The ZTK project used to
> maintain a list of zope.app.* packages known to work with the rest of
> the ZTK, though these packages were "under review".
> Recent improvements to the dependency structure of the ZTK have allowed
> the possibility to entirely remove the zope.app packages from the ZTK.
> Then we had a discussion on how to manage the transition for people
> coming off the Zope 3.4 KGS (summarizing a big flamewar I started).
> What I hope we will end up with are two lists:
> * the small ZTK list, not including zope.app. We should strive to make
> grokcore.* packages work with this list.
> * the zopeapp list, tested with the ZTK list. This list is hopefully
> useful to help us transition Grok 1.0 users to Grok 1.1.
> What does that mean for Grok?
> We should investigate whether we can come up with a Grok 1.1 that
> doesn't depend on the zopeapp list but only on the ZTK list. I.e. a Grok
> that itself doesn't use any zope.app. packages. If this is possible,
> grokproject should for 1.1 projects not include anything but the ZTK list.
> The zopeapp list we can supply to those who need to upgrade an existing
> Grok-based project to Grok 1.1. People can include this list in their
> buildouts temporarily, until they can rewrite their code not to import
> from zope.app anymore.
> Regards,
> Martijn
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