[Grok-dev] Restarting web development after 6 years... With Zope based tools?

Christopher Lozinski lozinski at freerecruiting.com
Thu Jul 6 12:25:58 CEST 2017

> On Jul 6, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Milind Khadilkar <zedobject at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks.
> Can Grok work with GAE, the way Flask or Django does?

Not well. 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bDOLJMHfUy4J:talk.quintagroup.com/blogs/myroslav/zope-at-gae+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=pl <http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bDOLJMHfUy4J:talk.quintagroup.com/blogs/myroslav/zope-at-gae+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=pl>

> In our earlier GAE work we had used ZPT and that had worked well. I suppose the newer recommendation is Chameleon…

Chameleon is really nice.  Less rigid than ZPT.  It allows you to type in ${view.context.variable}  or any arbitrary python expression. 

> I would try out Zopache. Why just for fun? 😃

Well it is not a supported product.  The issue is security between instances.  I would love to release it as a Docker container, then users could use a web gui to fire up an instance. Develop an app TTW, and never have to know anything about Unix.  That would be a huge step in the right direction.   There are a number of competing browser-based Javascript development environments.  Sadly that whole TTW development thing is disrespected by 99.9% of the people who have the skills to make it happen.  IMHO TTW is why ZOPE was a huge initial success, but also why it died, it was mostly ignored,  because the developers were developing for themselves, rather than for the entry level users. 

Right now I am fighting a bug, I will get back to you about an account.  My sense is that you are not in a huge rush to make a decision. 

Warm Regards

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