[Zope-Annce] Zope BackTalk Working Session Invite
Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:58:12 -0400
(details also available via
If you're a seasoned Zope, Python, or collaborative technology
you're invited to Crested Butte, Colorado between July 7 (Sat) - 10th
to help in a "working session" which has as a goal developing a 1.0
of a "BackTalk" implementation for Zope. The working session is
time for quickly iterating against an existing implementation, adding
features and hardening as we go. If you come, you'll have an
meet other Zope and Python developers and have some fun hacking around
This is *not* a seminar or teaching exercise, and thus is unstructured.
We'll likely use some of the concepts from Extreme Programming (pairing,
short iterations, etc), to keep us busy during the working session.
Ideally, participants will have built Zope Products in the past.
WHO WILL BE ATTENDING
- Bruce Eckel (President, MindView, and author of Thinking In
and other books)
- Chris McDonough (developer, Digital Creations)
WHAT IS BACKTALK
"BackTalk" is an annotation and collaboration system devised by Bruce
and Bill Venners. It is described at
and http://www.mindview.net/Private/BackTalk . It is first and foremost
system which allows for inline commenting on prestructured content. It
close in sprit to systems such as Crit (http://www.crit.org) and
** note: although the MindView documentation talks about BackTalk as
software, it is describing the Java implementation. The Zope software
produced as a result of the working session will be free **
BackTalk has two major design goals:
- dramatically lower the bar for readers to provide inline comments
on booklike content.
- provide mechanisms for original document authors to fold
the way of comments into the mainline document.
Produce a Zope implementation of BackTalk which makes use of Zope-only
features such as Structured Text
(http://cmf.zope.org/doc/user/UsingStructuredText.txt/view), and the
object database [ZODB]
A prototype Zope implementation is (hopefully) accessible at
http://serenade.4-am.com/BackTalkSandbox/ . If you have difficulty
accessing the prototype, please let me know via email (it's a
IMPLEMENTATION HIT LIST (we might need you if you know anything
- BackTalk "back/forward" navigation system (DTML/Python)
- BackTalk document end-of-document index generation (Python)
- Table of contents generation (DTML/Python)
- RTF-to-StructuredText converter (Python/C/whatever)
- BackTalk-to-RTF converter (Python)
- BackTalk-to-PDF converter (Python)
WHEN DOES THE SESSION START/END
From: Saturday, July 7, 2001
To: Tuesday, July 10, 2001
session days begin at 9, end at 5.
WHERE IS THE SESSION
Crested Butte, Colorado
(exact location in town to be announced)
Directions and location details are available from
HOW DO I SIGN UP
Sign up via the registration system at
We have as a limit about 15 people.
Hopefully, I'll see you there!