[Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo

Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:38:16 +0100

Hi Jon,
Yes, this is exactly what I am looking for, it is great. It is a shame that
it does not work with Netscape.

I have Netscape 6.1 installed, and upon loading of the item to edit I get
the title, summary, BUT then I only get a blank area where the actual body
text should be. The browser is not locked though.

The browser-sniffer is not working, as you say, as it should bring up the
normal text area.

Thanks

Norman

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Edwards [mailto:jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: 03 July 2001 17:38
To: Norman Khine
Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo

Hi Norman,

Thanks for your comments (did you mean to CC the CMF-list by the way, I
think there's a few people on there tackling similar problems?)

I'll have a more detailed look, but in the meantime, here's a quick link
that might help -

http://cmf.zope.org/Members/joned/index_html/view

near the bottom you'll see "WYSIWYG CMF Document Editor". Follow the simple
instructions, and hey presto! WYSIWYG editing for CMF Documents. The link
you mentioned went dead, but luckily I had already downloaded their code
before the site went kaput!

Note : IE 4+ only, it seems to be impossible in Netscape. There's a simple
browser-sniffer in the code which should give non-IE users the normal
textarea, but one person has reported it locked up his copy of Netscape. If
you get a chance to test it with Netscape, I'd appreciate any feedback!

HTH

Cheers, Jon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman Khine [mailto:khine@btinternet.com]
> Sent: 03 July 2001 12:46
> To: Jon Edwards
> Subject: RE: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo
>
>
> Hello Jon,
> A very intresting proposal, I am also in the process of
> refactoring the CMF
> so that it is more "user-friendlier", but must admit my lack of
> programming
> knowledge lets me down considerably.
>
> Never the less, I can coble-somthing together, which seems to work for the
> local intranet, and hopefully will be released soon for the Internet.
>
> Your post in April is very informative and has touched on some
> issues which
> I am having difficulties with, for example, you talk about "d) WYSIWYG
> editor - used a Javascript WYSIWYG html editor for all textarea
> bits on the edit forms (our editors know little HTML and didnt
> want to learn
> Structured Text)."
>
> I have considered using a similar application, but don't know how to
> integrate this with the CMF. There was a PHP version somewhere,
> but I don't
> remeber where.
>
> Also the link provided does not go anywhere for the editor you use, could
> you please provide more details.
>
> From my opinion, as far as the use of CMF, should be precisely for the
> purpose of content mangement that works in a sort of 4-dimensional space:
>
> 1st dimension - application logic
> 2nd dimension - user logic
> 3rd dimension - skin/s
> 4th dimension - preferences
>
> Application Logic - this is the core code used to drive the cmf
> User Logic - this the code that the site administrator has added
> to make the
> cmf suited to his/her needs
> Skins - this is the layer that sits on top of the application, mainly
> aestetic.
> Preferences - those are the preferences that each Portal Member
> has set. For
> example News Items they are intrested to receive only, etc etc..
>
> I have a PHP application, that is very similar to the CMF in the
> respect of
> allowing users to add content and administrators that can administer this
> content, and am currently working to transform this for a 100% Zope/CMF.
>
> Main obsticle so far has been the creation of composite documents
> and as you
> rightly argue, that there is so much divergence, I think we
> should be aiming
> to converge the Zope products so that they are all part of the
> CMF, with an
> option to use them separately, should it be required.
>
> Of your theory, I would explore (ii) and had considered using HTMLgen
> http://starship.python.net/crew/friedrich/HTMLgen/html/main.html, by
> creating pre-defined templates for users to add Composite Content
> - throught
> eh CMF, although still in paper-and-pen stage ;^)
>
> But I think the biggest leap for zope-kind will be made when "Member A"
> types on their document-processor a formatted type (eg MSWord
> doc, PDF file,
> Excell File, Quark document -- whatever content), this then is
> saved on the
> cmf and indexed appropriately from the Prefernces of the
> application and as
> specified by the portal administrator -- and all of this is done
> transparrantly -- and available to the Internet/intranet following the
> review.
>
> Perhaps versioning can be accomplished by the versioning tool,
> thats already
> being used with zope?!
>
> Any way some food-for-thought.
>
> All the best
>
> Norman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Jon Edwards
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:59 AM
> To: Seb Bacon; Zope-Cmf
> Cc: wilson@visi.com
> Subject: [Zope-CMF] Re: Our CMF-CMS Demo
>
>
> Tim wrote -
>
> > I thought this was so cool I submitted the link to Slashdot. Hope that's
> OK
> > with you! :-) (a joke, don't panic)
>
> You had me reaching for the valium for a moment there!
>
> > I would encourage you to post as much info as you can cobble together
> about
> > your experience working on this. It would seem that this is very similar
> to
> > what I'd like to try to do with my school's site.
>
> I'm working on it! I thought Seb's suggestion that people building CMS
> functionality on top of CMF should define a few "standards" to improve
> interoperability was excellent, so I'm trying to produce something along
> those lines.
>
> (Seb, 'scuse me if I paraphrased you clumsily, any chance you could post
> your initial thoughts/examples to get us started... just brief
> "back-of-a-cigarette-packet" notes? I think I understand what you
> mean, but
> I'm finding it hard to verbalise! :-)
>
> But, in the meantime, if you're looking for a few ideas Tim, I
> remembered I
> posted an early, clumsy, explanation back in April (seems like a hundred
> years ago!) -
>
> http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2001-April/006339.html
>
> Comments, suggestions, and anything else that helps me kickstart my brain,
> welcomed!
>
> HTH
>
> Cheers, Jon
>
>
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