[Zope-dev] naming Zope

Roger Ineichen dev at projekt01.ch
Sat Apr 11 19:32:54 EDT 2009


Hi

> Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope
> 
> On 4/11/09 4:39 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
> > Chris McDonough wrote:
> >> On 4/11/09 9:40 AM, Chris Withers wrote:
> >>> "Zope 4 is built using Zope Toolkit 1.0, as is Grok, 
> repoze.cfg, and 
> >>> something else"
> >> repoze.bfg is actually *not* build with the Zope Toolkit 
> at least as 
> >> "Zope Toolkit" is defined by the Steering Group.  It uses only 
> >> zope.component, zope.interface, and zope.configuration, plus the 
> >> dependencies thereof plus zope.testing.  This works out to 
> maybe 12 
> >> zope-related packages, while the Zope Toolkit is, AFAICT, 
> defined as 
> >> "the set of packages that Zope 3 used to be, versioned as 
> a unit through time".
> >
> > The closest technical definition of packages in the Zope Toolkit is 
> > currently "what Zope2 (or Grok) needs of Zope 3, minus the stuff it 
> > shouldn't need, plus the general useful stuff".
> 
> Right.  That's what I meant to say. ;-)

Ah, cool Zope Toolkit! Seems to be another nice thing which nobody 
exactly knows what it is or should be. Sounds good to me. I'm used
to such things since I develope Zope 3 and every new user makes
decisions ;-)

> > This comes down to a list of about 70 packages right now, where 
> > ideally it should be closer to 50 after some more 
> dependency cleanup. 
> > The "general useful stuff" are things like zope.intid, 
> > zope.keyreference and zope.catalog if I remember Theuni's 
> mail correctly.
> 
> That much dependency cleanup would be fantastic.

Yes, cool, but what exactly whould you like to cleanup?

> > ZDecoy, eh Zope 3 consisted of over 140 packages, so I do 
> see a very 
> > clear difference between the two. That is not to say, 
> repoze is based 
> > on the Zope Toolkit :)

Ah, ZDecoy, sounds nice, do I need that?

> Heh.  "Repoze" (unqualified with a suffix) is a whole 
> separate thing; BFG obviously has its own naming issues.

I know that the spring turns many people crazy sometimes
but hey, we are developer and there a no girls arround ;-)

Let me know if the renaming excess is over and please
let me know with what I'm working and on what my
applications are running at that time.

Regards
Roger Ineichen



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