[ZWeb] Re: optional registration/info during install

[Andy McKay]

These things are a two way street, if you dont provide some value to both
parties it gets ignored and or makes people unhappy. Logging in to Zope.org
to download Zope doesnt appeal, it would add a barrier into the download and
doesnt provide a lot of value to me. Perhaps there are more options you can
add to that...

Now if I could upload a configuration of my Zope, its products and such to
Zope.org and get notified when things get changed and synced down new
products (you know thats my hobby horse) you will get a lot of interest.
Plus you will get more relevant stats. This then gives you lots of nice
numbers from how many people download Zope, to how many use it, what
products people use a lot and so on.

Just be careful to anonymize those numbers of course. BTW you of course keep
careful track to all the referers to www.zope.org, www.zope.org/Credits
(going to update those credits?) (from the Zope attribution button) :)

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Everitt" <paul@digicool.com>
To: "Donald Braman" <donald.braman@yale.edu>
Cc: <zope-web@zope.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ZWeb] Re: optional registration/info during install


>
> Howdy folks.  I've been mulling over an idea that I think might fly with
> privacy people, provide real value for end users, and real value for
> zope.org's goal of estimating the size of the zope universe.
>
> Imagine if the future of Zope downloads was to get the basics of the
> binary setup for your platform.  The first login provided a
> configuration screen that asked for a couple of things:
>
> 1) The login name for your Zope.org account.
>
> 2) The "name" of the site that you're configuring and an optional
> description.
>
> Clicking "Next" connects to your Zope.org member folder, and creates a
> new "site" in a "sites" folder.  The user gets back a page that shows
> all the updates and new packages available for install.  You might also
> be given an option to download documentation updates.
>
> Of course this presumes that, in the future, Zope is able to do "ZSync"
> types of operations on Zope products.  But presuming that, I think this
> would give a pretty seriously attractive reason to use the facility.  We
> could increase the value by giving people the option to be emailed when
> the packages they were using were updated.
>
> The only thing that would be "centralized" is the label that you chose
> for your site and the packages/revisions that you installed.  And tying
> it to your zope.org membership simply ties it to a system of privacy
> that people are already used to.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --Paul
>
> Shane Hathaway wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, Donald Braman wrote:
> >
> > > That sounds good, too. How does the pine system work? Can it send
system
> > > data (OS, version, etc.) and can it identify repeat emails from the
same
> > > users (say, if someone reinstalls)? If the pine model is really bare
bones,
> > > perhaps user's could choose between three options: (1) don't send
anything
> > > to zope.org; (2) send an anonymous email identifying the version of
Zope
> > > used; (3) register with Zope.org through a web-based form at zope.org
or an
> > > emailable form.
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > > ps. How do the developers evaluate an idea (feature request) like
this? Poll
> > > current users? Post to zope@zope.org?
> >
> > Yikes!  On second thought, if we suggested anything like this using a
> > poll, a lot of people would come unglued.  The idea works for Pine
because
> > Pine is maintained by a bunch of volunteers.  It would be a disaster for
> > Zope, being maintained by a for-profit company.  Sorry I suggested it.
> >
> > Shane
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shane@localhost.localdomain
[mailto:shane@localhost.localdomain]On
> > > Behalf Of Shane Hathaway
> > > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:35 PM
> > > To: Donald Braman
> > > Subject: Re: [ZWeb] RE: Zope users
> > >
> > >
> > > Donald Braman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This question makes me think that it might be nice for people to be
able
> > > > (though not required) to "register" Zope during installation. I know
that
> > > > sounds corporate, but the list of registered users could be used to
email
> > > > them about security patches, updates, etc. You could even throw in
some
> > > > optional questions about hardware used, etc. Is that something that
the
> > > > folks at zope.org would be willing to keep track of? Just a
thought. -Don
> > >
> > > Or maybe do what Pine (an email client) does: the first time you use
it,
> > > it asks you if you would like to send an anonymous email to the Pine
> > > development team at the University of Washington in Seattle, just so
the
> > > developers can get a general idea of how many people are using it.
> > >
> > > Shane
> > >
> >
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