[ZWeb] Learning Zope [was: Quickstart needs updating!]

Tim Keating spike@rollerfeet.com
Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:00:49 -0600


As someone who was just recently a newbie and had to learn zope, I would
tend to agree with this.

TK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-web-admin@zope.org
> [mailto:zope-web-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> Of Donald Braman
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:18 PM
> To: Michel Pelletier
> Cc: zope-web@zope.org
> Subject: [ZWeb] Learning Zope [was: Quickstart needs updating!]
>
>
> I guess I was saying something off-thread. What I was trying
> to say was that
> when a newbie goes to the Zope site, and clicks on the "Learn
> Zope" section,
> it seems to me, they ought to find instructions on how to
> learn Zope. So, on
> the Learn Zope page, it might say:
>
> To learn Zope you should do the following:
>
> *********************
> #1: Take the Quickstart Tutorial that ships with Zope. (click
> here to see
> how)
> #2: Read the Zope Book and do the exercises in it. (click
> here to do this)
> #3: Read How-Tos that relate to you particular area of
> interest (ZSQL, etc.)
>
> and, when it's at or near version 1.0...
> #4: Read Building Dynamic WebSites with Zope. (click here to do this)
>
> There are also many other places to learn about Zope. You
> can...[mail lists,
> news groups, etc.].
> **********************
>
> It may seem like you are beating a newbie over the head with
> this sort of
> thing, but I think that's okay. When someone is new to Zope,
> they want all
> the direction they can get. I know I did/do. I like doing
> exercises and
> learning by following instructions. I wish I'd read the book
> first. Instead,
> I took the quickstart tutorial and dove in. Help us dummies out!
>
> Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michel Pelletier [mailto:michel@digicool.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 4:42 PM
> To: Donald Braman
> Cc: zope@zope.org; luke@seeto.com
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Quickstart needs updating!
>
>
>
> There is a new "Zope Quick Start" menu selection in Zope 2.3.  I'm not
> sure why the old quickstart is still around, it should be
> axed in favor of
> this new screen.
>
> The Zope Quick Start menu selection is, I think, exactly what you're
> looking for.  Log into Zope.org into your member area and
> check it out,
> you can find it in the very top frame as a pulldown menu selection.
>
> -Michel
>
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Donald Braman wrote:
>
> > It's true that there is not a clear message as to where a
> newbie should
> > start to learn Zope. The Zope home page has a "Learn Zope"
> section. When
> you
> > click on More..., though, you don't find a tutorial, but a
> kind of "about
> > page". If you are really smart (or lucky), you'll then
> click on the Zope
> > Book link and read it cover to cover, doing all the
> exercises. However, it
> > would be good to have this be explicitly stated as
> generically the best
> way
> > to learn about Zope for those who are starting fresh.
> >
> > I propose a tweak to the layout for the zope.org home page,
> breaking out
> > "about Zope" and "Learning Zope". Learning Zope would
> contain, of course,
> > links to various introductory documents and how-tos.
> However, it would
> state
> > up front what a newbie who wants to learn Zope should do.
> It might also
> have
> > separate sections for non-programmers, people with
> programming experience,
> > real wizards, etc. Obviously people can learn however they
> want, but being
> > told "If in doubt, do/read this, then do/read this, etc."
> is helpful to
> > newbies who are generally "in doubt" about what to do.
> >
> > BTW, I think Zope Newbies could do the same. A "Learn Zope"
> link or area
> on
> > the top page there be very nice.
> >
> > -Don
> >
> >
> >
> > [Zope] Quickstart needs updating!
> > Michel Pelletier michel@digicool.com
> > Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:31:47 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Joel Burton wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Jeff Sasmor wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > >>>In The Almighty Lever
> > > >   "An exiting new development being worked on for Zope
> is The Lever...
> "
> > > >
> > > >   (I have been working with Zope for well over a year and
> > > >    still don't know what THIS is....)
> > >
> > > Yeeps. Never heard of it.
> >
> > "The Lever" is the same thing as a ZClass factory.  In
> fact, the last
> > chapter of the Zope book explains how you can use factories
> to create
> > pre-fab templates from regular Zope objects as well as from
> > ZClasses.  That's the lever.
> >
> > http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/CustomZopeObjects.dtml
> >
> > > > >>> In "Programming Data with Tabula"
> >
> > Tabula became ZTables, which is the genetic predecessor of ZCatalog.
> >
> > > > Summary: Quickstart Really Needs to Get Updated
> >
> > Quickstart Really Needs to Get Axed.
> >
> > -Michel
> >
> >
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