[Zope] Unsubscribe

Pandey Ashok ashok654@yahoo.com
Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:22:27 -0700 (PDT)


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> There are 25 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
> 
>       1. Zope Documentation in general
>            From: Patrick Price <jprice22@wvu.edu>
>       2. Re: Running zope with Python 2.2...
>            From: "Andreas Jung"
> <andreas@andreas-jung.com>
>       3. Re: What is lst[0] ??
>            From: Max M <maxm@mxm.dk>
>       4. Re: What is lst[0] ??
>            From: Nicolas Évrard <nicoe@wanadoo.be>
>       5. using a ZCatalog via xmlrpc
>            From: Sylvain Thénault
> <Sylvain.Thenault@logilab.fr>
>       6. Re: using a ZCatalog via xmlrpc
>            From: "Andreas Jung"
> <andreas@andreas-jung.com>
>       7. StructuredText question
>            From: Andreas Kostyrka
> <andreas@kostyrka.priv.at>
>       8. Vladimir Knobel/Com.Factory is out of the
> office.
>            From: meckert@comfactory.ch
>       9. Re: StructuredText question
>            From: "Andreas Jung"
> <lists@andreas-jung.com>
>      10. Problem with undo
>            From: "Josef Meile" <jmeile@hotmail.com>
>      11. Re: [Zope-dev] DTML and REQUEST data
> changes about to be checked in
>            From: Max M <maxm@mxm.dk>
>      12. Re[2]: Question regarding exUserFolder
>            From: Dmitry Matveev
> <matveev@uralfirm.ru>
>      13. Re: Problems with list of object references
>            From: Sven Rudolph
> <rudolph@medical-tribune.de>
>      14. Re: [Zope-dev] Coroner's toolkit for zope,
> or how to figure out what went wrong.
>            From: Jim Fulton <jim@zope.com>
>      15. Tutos
>            From: Oliver Marx <Oliver@tekk.dk>
>      16. Re: Problem with undo
>            From: Maik Jablonski
> <maik.jablonski@uni-bielefeld.de>
>      17. Re: Tutos
>            From: "Andreas Jung"
> <lists@andreas-jung.com>
>      18. Re[2]: Lookinf inside page templates from a
> script
>            From: Dmitry Matveev
> <matveev@uralfirm.ru>
>      19. Re: Problem with undo
>            From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
>      20. Re: Problems with list of object references
>            From: Stefan H. Holek <stefan@epy.co.at>
>      21. need to make zope accessable from only two
> different IP-Addresses
>            From: Manuel Hendel <zope@hendel.net>
>      22. RE: Tutos
>            From: "Oliver Marx" <oliver@tekk.dk>
>      23. Re: need to make zope accessable from only
> two different IP-Addresses
>            From: "Andreas Jung"
> <lists@andreas-jung.com>
>      24. Re: Problem with undo
>            From: Jens Vagelpohl <jens@zope.com>
>      25. Re: Tutos
>            From: Maik Jablonski
> <maik.jablonski@uni-bielefeld.de>
> 
> 
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> Message: 1
>    Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:43:55 -0400
>    From: Patrick Price <jprice22@wvu.edu>
> Subject: Zope Documentation in general
> 
> Here's my general take on spending about a week
> looking for good Zope 
> documention  (from a newbie perspective)...Pardon me
> if this is too obvious.
> 
> I'm finding that Zope documentation  has these
> common problems:
> 
> I finally found the How-To's by a roundabout route -
> I would search 
> Google for "Zope" and my subject, then I'd find
> these wonderful 
> How-To's, but, they all seemed to be owned by
> separate authors and there 
> were no links from each How-To back to a master
> table of contents, nor 
> an index.   Each page was by itself and had no hooks
> to any other 
> documentation.  It seemed in every case I was at the
> end of the 
> documentation line.  I didn't know where the "master
> list" of these 
> things were.    Eventually I came to find the Docs
> link on the Zope.org 
> site. 
> 
> Then I found that the "basic" how-to's which applied
> to me are sometimes 
> old and thus hard to find (initially).  I found that
> by going to Docs, 
> All How-To's, then setting the Batch Size box to the
> total # of entries, 
> I could scroll to the bottom of the entire list and
> start finding the 
> stuff I wanted  to read, like:
> 
> Gotchas for Zope Beginners 2000/10/16 jens
>  Zope Installation Choices 2000/08/24 guy_davis
>  Z Catalog Tutorial 2000/10/16 Amos
> The DTML Name Space How-To 2000/10/16 michel
> Getting Started With DTML Scripting 2000/10/16 Pam
> 
> You get the idea... notice the dates on these. 
> Unfortunately for this 
> layout, the how-to's get more complex as time
> passes.  So as a  new Zope 
> user, I initially see a bunch of high-level stuff at
> the top which 
> usually isn't basic information.  Almost enough to
> make me give up 
> because I spend all my time searching for
> documentation relevant to my 
> skill level.   I have to dig  to find the "good
> newbie stuff" at the 
> bottom.  This makes sense in terms of "starting at
> the bottom" for new 
> people, and allows people more versed in the product
> to "find the 
> latest" at the top, however the ordering as it is,
> is "static", 
> appealing to one mindset.  It is limiting.  Perhaps
> rating systems and 
> voting on the most popular/helpful documents is the
> answer?
> 
> The other thing I'd like to mention is that I
> haven't yet found an INDEX 
> for this stuff - like the kind you'd find in a good
> book.  Are there no 
> keywords for these documents?  Must I forever be
> performing text or 
> Google searches on everything?   I come across the
> good docs *almost 
> always* as a result of someone  making a URL mention
> in an email.   It's 
> almost a shame that subscribing to a mailing list is
> the best way to 
> find where the documentation is.  Lists are a good
> thing, don't get me 
> wrong, but still...not everyone knows the value of
> mailing lists, or has 
> the time to scan everything.
>  
>   I'd like to see some sort of knowledge-base
> product for Zope 
> documentation, something that would open up the Zope
> world to me by 
> asking  "What level are you?  Beginner?  Well then,
> here's what you need 
> to be looking at to make you smarter."   "This
> How-To rated Beginner." 
> or  "Warning: complex subject ahead."
> 
> With "rating systems" then I could do the driving,
> rather than me having 
> to adapt to how someone else decided the documents
> should be presented. 
>  Maybe then I could avoid wading through the latest
> greatest information 
> which is often tantalizing but ultimately confusing
> for my beginner 
> status.  
> 
> I'm not after slamming Zope.org or the documentation
> itself.   I have 
> the same problems finding stuff every time I
> undertake document 
> research.  I just have this feeling that Zope can do
> all this and more. 
>  Is it already being done?
> 
> I propose that a few documentation implementation
> standards would go a 
> 
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Ashok Pandey

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