[Zope] Disgraceful

[Francis Nepomuceno]

Kept my silence long enough...

I stumble into problems with zope almost every single day. I don't post 
into this mailing list and instead try my best searching the net for an 
answer, sometimes I find it oftentimes I don't.

BUT I DONT EXPECT PEOPLE to behave like me and I never will. Poeple are 
NOT LIKE YOU. Just because your way of finding an answer involves 
browsing the source means everyone should do the same (or even remotely 
similar to it). At the very least, think about this: people have 
different ways of understanding things. Has it ever occurred to you why 
not everyone is coding in Assembly? Some people just need more help than 
the other person. THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE.

With that, I've got some comments for some of you:

M. Tiller: What took you so long to make this post???

M. Bernstein.. RTFM is *mildly* insulting?? Since when did cussing 
become mild?

Andreas Jung: YOU are expecting too much. And you're taking it too 
personal. Nobody is forcing you to help "people who are just too lazy".


- Kiko



Tiller, Michael (M.M.) wrote:
> <rant>
> This is such a bunch of bullshit.  I am so tired of "the answer is out
> there somewhere, why can't you find it yourself?" being the
> justification for not helping people who ask reasonable questions.  To
> add insult to injury Asad was being quite courteous (e.g. he went so far
> as to thank you for your initial response) and you guys just start
> jumping all over him.
> 
> Please explain to me why the mailing list should be a
> solution-of-last-result???  After all, you can find the solution to
> every question by looking at the Zope source code...ergo, all questions
> to the mailing list are a waste of time because the person didn't have
> the time to go picking through the source code?
> 
> Personally, I am more than happy to help people with questions if I know
> the answer off the top of my head.
> 
> ***What is the big deal?!?***
> 
> Just because the answer exists somewhere doesn't mean I expect people to
> spend lots of their time (**which is valuable too by the way**) to go
> digging it out.  Zope (and Plone) are very complicated systems and not
> all of us hack the source code to Zope on a daily basis so we don't know
> all the "ins and outs". If you consider it a waste of your time to
> answer our questions then DON'T, but there is no need to insult us.
> 
> I don't know if you noticed but they don't exactly have the mindshare or
> marketshare of other solutions and I don't think that is likely to
> change when people come here looking for answers and get nothing but
> grief.  I've said it many times before...if you can't be constructive
> just don't say anything.  You are poisoning this community with this
> nonsense.
> 
> In my opinion, the level or arrogance and stubbornness to help on the
> part of some people on this mailing list is really disgraceful and I
> can't believe others on this list don't feel the same way.
> </rant>
> 
> --
> Mike
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: zope-bounces at zope.org [mailto:zope-bounces at zope.org] On Behalf
>
> Of
> 
>>Andreas Jung
>>Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:32 PM
>>To: Asad Habib; Andreas Jung
>>Cc: zope at zope.org
>>Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope Session Timeout
>>
>>
>>
>>--On Freitag, 24. September 2004 12:21 Uhr -0400 Asad Habib
>><ahabib at engin.umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ah, so I see how it is. It takes two to pick on one. Well, who has
> 
> more
> 
>>>spare time on their hands, those who post messages to the list
> 
> asking
> 
>>for
>>
>>>help, or those who post messages shunning others that ask for help?
> 
> Both
> 
>>>of you could do us all a favor by keeping your worthless comments to
>>>yourself.
>>>
>>
>>It's all about using existing resources e.g. the Zope Book. People
> 
> have
> 
>>spend
>>a lot of time producing documentation. So don't complain if you don't
> 
> want
> 
>>to use it.
>>
>>-aj
>>
>>
>>
>>