[Zope] Java vs Zope

[Jonathan Cyr]

I always found the bytecode aspect of Java annoying... having to compile 
without the advantages in speed of a compiled language.

Interesting, though, I host a WebSphere 6.0 app in Java... The Websphere 
install is littered with python files, for install/setup purposes...   hmm

two cents,

-Jon

David Johnson wrote:
> Andreas and others,  
>
> Thanks for your response.  I think my confusion lies in the idea that not
> everyone uses Java (though they may talk about it). I do not see everyone
> using Java.  In fact I see very few large or successful companies using it.
> Even Sun and IBM develop their core components in C/C++.  GNU, Linux, MySQL
> ... all C/C++.  Ditto Oracle.  In my market, we've been able to easily
> outpace and perform competitors going the J2EE route, and for a lot less
> money.
>
> In regards to web development, the list of technologies being implemented is
> overwhelming.  It took extensive research to find and settle down to Zope.  
>
> In my research, I found it took 57 complex files to develop a simple and
> ugly J2EE application to display a list of cars from a database (various
> Ant, xml, jar, war and other files).  In Zope this can be done in 2 objects,
> and it integrates nicely with apps like Dreamweaver, so it looks and feels
> nice.
>
> We often find the need to integrate with other products and when we do,
> either the product's manufacturer a) is interested in market share, or b)
> they avoid change.  
>
> For companies who are into market share they often use a greatest common
> denominator technology such as C, Perl, or HTTP.  Java does not play nicely
> here.
>
> Companies who avoid change usually do so because they produce large-scale or
> small market systems, and change is too expensive and hard.  In this case
> Java, again, does not play nicely.
>
> In Java it seems that not only do you have to figure how to interface with
> others, you have to figure out how to do it in Java as well (which is not
> trivial).  Zope and Python seem better at translating thoughts into code,
> and doing so with the right balance of object orientation, and scalability.
>
> Zope provides a solid framework for development and scalability, while
> providing mechanisms to include and deploy very custom and specific features
> in a standardized way.
>
>
>
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Jung [mailto:lists at andreas-jung.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 4:03 PM
> To: David Johnson; zope at zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Java vs Zope
>
>
>
> --On 1. Januar 2006 14:04:16 -0600 David Johnson <djohnson at jsatech.com> 
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Good afternoon.  I am new to Zope and I am excited about its
>> possibilities. We are an ASP and plan to use Zope to improve our
>> development process. I see that many people use J2EE based environments.
>> Does anyone
>> understand why?  Why would anyone use Java?
>>     
>
> Because everyone uses Java! When you work in an environment were Java is 
> already used then you usually use Java instead of Python. And there are 
> environments where Python is possibly the better solution. You just need to 
> compare the efforts to integrate an existing environment with your 
> solution...then you choose your tools.
>
> -aj
>
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