[***SPAM*** Score/Req: 04.00/04.00] Re: [Zope] Catalog aware

[Garito]

Tino Wildenhain escribió:
> Garito wrote:
>> Tino Wildenhain escribió:
>>> Garito wrote:
>>>> Tino Wildenhain escribió:
>>>>> Garito wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>>> Tino Wildenhain escribió:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Garito wrote:
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>>> Sure, but I can't create a new product for every product I'll 
>>>>>>>>>> use only
>>>>>>>>>> to do it catalog aware, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>> Yes you can. Why not? I mean you are using them - so you can use
>>>>>>>>> your products instead as well.
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>> Yes but what if tomorrow you create a product? need work to 
>>>>>>>> times: you
>>>>>>>> first, me later
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Who says you have a use for the product I create? Or if it makes
>>>>>>> sense to catalog it? If you want a cataloguing framework, why
>>>>>>> dont you use CMF or something?
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>> I want to make every class catalogable only if I point a zcatalog id
>>>>>> (with self.default_catalog) but If I point it I want to catalogue 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> object
>>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>> And what of the object do you want to catalog?
>>>>> Which kind of indexes do you want it to support?
>>>>> What kind of questions do you expect your ZCatalog
>>>>> (hypothetically) answered? Could you give examples?
>>>>>   
>>>> Is not important what I want to catalog, for me is important that 
>>>> the object *was* in the catalog (some catalogs indexes some 
>>>> properties some others other properties)
>>>
>>> Please read the catalog section again: there isnt the object in the 
>>> catalog!
>>> Again: The object is _not_ in the catalog.
>>> Its all about usefull indexes and maybe object metadata.
>>> So again: _what_ actually do you expect to find?
>> When I talk about was in the catalog I mean the object is catalogued
>> I expect to find *the object* in the catalog
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> How do you know how many cousins you have? Because you are a catalog 
>> that catalog the number of cousins you have
>
> So you want to count objects based on their meta_type?
> Of what use would be such an information?
> What if you know how many pagetemplates you have? :-)
Why not?
It depends on the nature of the entity
If I know now many pagetemplates has an entity I could show it to the user
Because I make some curious use of the objects of Zope, for me every 
object will be a functionality, something the object can do, then I want 
to know everything about the entity
>
>> Another example: how much skills about computing do you have? Again 
>> your skills are objects that you need (as a catalog you are) to catalog
>
> We have a skills object in plain zope now? Thats news for me.
not now but I can develep it if I need
>
>> Like an entity (a thing, and object) you need to know some data 
>> stored in your life added to you
>
> Yes, but a zcatalog cannot work with "some data" - you need to specify
> exactly _which_ data you want to find. So what exacly is this on
> standard Zope objects?
My entity has some default indexes like meta_type or owner, etc but you 
could be creative in order to create new ones. It only depends on your needs
> ..
>
>>> Yes, but its nonsense. You cant do anything more with the objects
>>> in Zope if they are catalogued.
>> Are you sure? I can find them!!! Then if I can find them I can count 
>> them, give to you (even if its don't depend on me, remember your 
>> skills or your cousins?)
>
> Ah yes, which zope product stores cousin data?
Do you want to store cousins data? you need to create an object that 
stores cousin data
>
>>
>> I want to create an object that acts like an entity (like a human or 
>> a mortage or a paper or a product -that you can sell)
>
> Yes, you crate it - you define its cataloguing. So what is your business
> with standard zope objects here?
They are funcionality to my entity. If the entity has a functionality 
that sends mails the entity need to has a mail host object but It's not 
important where do you create it if the entity catalogue it (you can 
always find it if you ask to the entity catalog)
>
>> These entity need to know how is it (its properties, its 
>> characteristics)
>
> You cant barely catalog all properties - the catalog would not even know
> if this property is meant as keyword or fulltext or whatever...
don't worry! I want to find them. It's not important what they are or 
where they are
>
>> I ask myself if I know myself but I only know about myself all I can 
>> catalogue
> ...
>
>>> Regards
>>> Tino
>> I don't expect anyone guess my needs (is for that I need to develop 
>> the class) :)
>> I only ask if I can add some super classes to an object when  I 
>> create it :)
>
> You can, you just add it. Its there and you even know its name.
> So what was your problem again? :-)
They way to add it (but you point me to find at google monkeypatch isn't 
it? Thanks again)
>
>> I know my needs are so particular but I want to create something new 
>> with a new perspective. If I can the result will be very curious (I 
>> suppose, I expect even)
>>
>> I choose Zope because is the most near to my finall result
>
> Exactly :-)
>
> Regards
> TIno


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