[Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django,
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Mon Nov 26 20:18:54 EST 2007
I'm frustrated trying to select a python web framework. I’ve researched quite a
few. CherryPy,Karrigell,Zope 2,3,Grok, Gluon,Django,Mod_Python. I’ve also
looked at templating languages like Spyce, and Cheetah.
I’m beginning to think there’s nothing out there for a newbie python
programmer like myself. I’m a Network Admin that likes programming but
doesn’t have the time to get really proficient at it.
I selected Python as a language of choice and that’s all I’ve used. I’ve
written a few scripts .
I’m interested in building dynamic web sites but I tell you it’s impossible to
select a tool.
I’ve researched all the tools mentioned above. The most important thing in my
decision is that I know some Python and want to use it to build the dynamic
site. I don’t want to learn a new language to do that. ZPT is a new language.
Its not python. Not even close. Out of all the ones I’ve researched I like
Zope 2 the best. Not sure why. I want some thing easy. I like DTML. It’s
easy. I know why ZPT has it’s advantages but for ease of use it doesn’t come
close to DTML. Most people like me wont be building complex web sites and I’d
be the only working on it meaning I’ll do the HTML layout and code the dynamic
portions of it. So I don’t’ need to worry about an HTML editor getting
confused with the dynamic languages mixed in blah blah blah.
I’m afraid to learn Zope 2 because I have no idea what direction it’s going in.
Not to mention I don’t particularly like ZPT. I’ve read DTML isn’t going
anywhere but I don’t imagine I’ll get much support on it when needed and I’m
sure people will be telling me to use ZPT cause DTML is dead.
Funny, I read something while reading news about Grok’s new plugins for any
template language . They used Genshi as an example and talked about template
languages and which one is better etc.. The bottom line was "use the one that
you like". So I wish people would stop putting down DTML or others over the
one they prefer and continue to help those regardless of which they choose.
Back to trying to choose. I think Django is too hard. I like Mod_python with
PSP. PSP seems to be more python like then anything I’ve seen. Yet Mod_Python
has terrible docs for people like me and it doesn't seem to popular.
The other frameworks have some good ideas. I like Karrigell but you just don’t
know how long it will be supported.Gluon is cool but its new. Zope 3 is out of
the question. Grok looks to me like another CherryPy. It may be easier the
Zope 3 but it’s not easier then Zope 2. Plus I’ve yet to get it installed on my
windows XP to play.
I like cheetah as a tool. There docs are not that great and not many examples.
Plus no auto generated content like you get in Zope 2. Yes some magic is
good. The CRUD is what made Rails over rated to start out with.People like some
magic. saves time. Combining Cheetah and Zope sounds interesting to me.
So what do I do. I like Zope 2. I can’t find any books on it released after
2002. Plone is tooo much.
There aren’t any new products out for Zope 2 and the ones that are there
haven’t been touched for years.
Zope 2 wiki seems dead. I was looking the other day for some type of auto
CRUD for Zope 2. couldn’t find anyting. No one seems to be adding anything new
to Zope 2 which scares me the most.
If I take the time to learn a tool I want to make sure it’s going to be around
for awhile and have good support and new addons being added all of the time to
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