[Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

Garry Saddington garry at schoolteachers.co.uk
Tue Nov 27 15:25:20 EST 2007

On Tuesday 27 November 2007 17:19, Martijn Faassen wrote:

> We need to identify some targets and see what resources we have to
> accomplish them. Of course this shouldn't degenerate into a long
> wishlist discussion, but let's see what kind of steps can be taken.
I came to Zope as a newbie about 4 years ago. I used DTML from the word go 
because I wanted to use databases extensively and therefore ZSQL. Of course, 
when I started to get into difficulty I asked on this list. I got lambasted 
firstly for using DTML and secondly for seemingly wanting answers! I 
therefore became afraid of the list and the response I may get from questions 
so much so that I stopped asking. I learned the hard way - trial and error 
and reading whatever I could find -usually hard to find.
I was therefore pleasantly surprised  when I first asked a question on the 
Postgresql users list. Not only was the response friendly and helpful but 
many responders actually wrote code to solve my problem or to show me how to 
solve it. It is this sort of attitude that we should try to foster on this 
Everyone has to learn sometime - how about helping them with a little more 

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