[Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

Roman Susi rnd at onego.ru
Wed Nov 28 01:45:21 EST 2007

Rene B wrote:

>I'm frustrated trying to select a python web framework. I’ve researched quite a 
>few. CherryPy,Karrigell,Zope 2,3,Grok, Gluon,Django,Mod_Python. I’ve also 

Perhaps web.py can interest you then? Its not very much of framework 
(you actually write everything in Python, even making your own 
architectural decisions,
and template language resembles Python also), but it requires almost no 
learning and dynamic site can be setup in no time. And webpy is not too 
hard as it is very minimalistic,
so enjoy writing Python most of the time instead of working around some 
framework's peculiarities.

Maybe after at least playing with that you will revisit other Python web 
application frameworks already knowing what you want.

Roman Susi

>looked at templating languages like Spyce, and Cheetah.
>I’m beginning to think there’s nothing  out there  for a newbie python 
>programmer like myself.  I’m a Network Admin  that likes programming but 
>doesn’t have the time to get really proficient at it.
>I selected Python as a language of choice and that’s all I’ve used.  I’ve 
>written a  few scripts .
>I’m interested in building dynamic web sites but I tell you  it’s impossible to 
>select a tool.
>I’ve researched all the tools mentioned above.  The most important thing in my 
>decision is that I know some Python and want to use it to build the dynamic 
>site. I don’t want to learn a new language to do that. ZPT is a new language. 
>Its not python.  Not even close.  Out of all the ones I’ve researched I like 
>Zope 2 the best.  Not sure why. I want some thing easy.  I like DTML. It’s 
>easy. I know why ZPT has it’s advantages but for ease of use it doesn’t come 
>close to DTML. Most people like me wont  be building complex web sites and  I’d 
>be the only working on it meaning I’ll do the HTML layout and code the dynamic 
>portions of it. So I don’t’ need to worry about  an HTML editor getting 
>confused with the dynamic languages  mixed in blah blah  blah.
>I’m afraid to learn Zope 2 because I have no idea what direction it’s going in. 
>Not to mention I don’t particularly like ZPT. I’ve read DTML isn’t going 
>anywhere but I don’t imagine I’ll get much support  on it when needed and I’m 
>sure people will be telling me to use ZPT cause DTML is dead.  
>Funny, I read something while reading news about Grok’s new plugins for any 
>template language . They used Genshi as an example and talked about template 
>languages and which one is better etc.. The bottom line was "use the one that 
>you like".  So I wish people would stop putting down DTML or others over the 
>one they prefer and continue to help those regardless of which they choose.
>Back to trying to choose. I think Django is too hard.  I like Mod_python with 
>PSP. PSP seems to be more python like then anything I’ve seen. Yet Mod_Python 
>has terrible docs for people like me and it doesn't seem to popular.
>The other frameworks have some good ideas. I like Karrigell but you just don’t 
>know how long it will be supported.Gluon is cool but its new.  Zope 3 is out of 
>the question. Grok looks to me like  another CherryPy. It may be easier the 
>Zope 3 but it’s not easier then Zope 2. Plus I’ve yet to get it installed on my 
>windows XP to play. 
>I like cheetah as a tool. There docs are not that great and not many examples. 
>Plus no auto generated content  like you get in Zope 2.  Yes some magic is 
>good. The CRUD is what made Rails over rated to start out with.People like some 
>magic. saves time.  Combining Cheetah and Zope sounds interesting to me.
>So what do I do. I like Zope 2. I can’t find any books on it released after 
>2002. Plone is tooo much.
>There aren’t any new products out for Zope 2 and the ones that are there 
>haven’t been touched for years.
>Zope 2 wiki seems dead.  I was looking the other day for some type of  auto 
>CRUD for Zope 2. couldn’t find  anyting. No one seems to be adding anything new 
>to Zope 2 which scares me the most.
>If I take the time to learn a tool I want to make sure it’s going to be around 
>for awhile and have good support and new addons  being added all of the time to 
>help me.
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