[Zope] Zope is in trouble

[Andreas Jung]

Basically everything is true. The time of www.zope.org as a software 
repository has gone. In earlier times zope.org has been the only Zope 
related site. Nowadays with the growth and Zope and a lot of new projects, 
projects moved out into different sites. zope.org is an official project of 
the Zope Foundation and there were some talks on relaunching zope.org - 
however I don't know about details and the current state. The new site is 
likely to become a small site representing the Zope platform  in the first 
place.

-aj

--On 26. September 2007 10:45:57 -0400 Gregory Dudek <dudek at cim.mcgill.ca> 
wrote:

>
> I have been a Zope developer & user for several years.  Zope is great and
> it has had a major impact on my work.  All this to say I am an
> experienced Zope user and supporter.
>
> I think the Zope is in major trouble and the Zope.org web site is badly
> in need of attention.  I started using zope in 2001
> at Xerox PARC and the helpful and persuasive resources at zope.org were a
> major factor.  Today, zope.org is full of dead links and it very
> hard to use unless you are already experienced.  Getting started with
> Zope today is harder now than is was, even though the actual software is
> better.
>
> A key factor is that from the zope.org web site it is not clear if the
> community is healthy or not, and the general impression is that the
> project is stalled since so many links are dead and defunct (and in fact
> I am not so sure of the zope community health myself any longer, despite
> the ongoing zope postings here).   In my opinion, making zope.org look
> healthy and be usable is the MOST important obstacle for the Zope
> community.  I believe this is both a symptom and a cause of disarray in
> the Zope user/developer community.
>
> Zope was always a bit hairy to get into, without saying anything about
> Plone development or Zope 3, I just want to point out that without a
> clear simple up-to-date main web site, things are looking really bad.  I
> introduced some zope-based material in an introductory computer science
> course a few years ago with moderate success, but am starting to doubt it
> would be appropriate any longer.
>
> I am not criticizing the people on this list or the other Zope
> developers: I have enormous appreciation for what has been built, I just
> would hate to see is dwindle in vitality and use.
>
> Greg
>
> ----
>
> Appendix (Examples)
>
> Specific evidence (these are just examples):
>    1) search for something, say "user folder" on zope.org
>         Pages you get are dated 2001, 2000,  2003, ....
>
>         Let's try link 3 for the extensible user folder (one of the
> formerly more popular and useful items in the first few listed).
>            Click the "more info link":  dead page (Insufficient
> Privileges)
>
>      2) Click "Zope Products" on the sidebar.  Most of the listed
> products are old.
>
>      3) "Resources" Sidebar Item. Click "Zope Links".  -> Site Error
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