[Zope] Was Problem using nested dtml-in with zsql

Tim Nash thedagdae at gmail.com
Sat Nov 8 19:42:51 EST 2008


BTW,  Andreas,  It is probably extra work to maintain both ZPT  and DTML in
each Zope release. We want you to know that we appreciate the extra work and
your skills.
:)




On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Allen Schmidt Sr. <
aschmidt at fredericksburg.com> wrote:

>  +++++111111111
> We love zope on our site and continue to build new things almost daily and
> all with DTML and ZSQL.  Not a single line of ZPT anywhere within our 7gb
> Data.fs that has been making us all money and employing many folks for
> almost 8 years now as a newspaper website. AND in the birthplace of Zope....
> www.Fredericksburg.com/Virginia/  8^)
>
> Cheers!
> -Allen
>
>
>
> Tim Nash wrote:
>
> +1
> Well spoken. It is painful to see all the cheers for django templates when
> dtml has been around longer and is just as good, maybe better.
>
> ZPT may also be fantastic but I haven't needed them yet. They seem to be
> designed to solve web editing problems circa 2002.
>
> -Tim
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Kees de Brabander <
> cj.de.brabander at hccnet.nl> wrote:
>
>> +1
>> cb
>>
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: zope-bounces at zope.org [mailto:zope-bounces at zope.org] Namens Garry
>> Saddington
>> Verzonden: zaterdag 8 november 2008 12:54
>> Aan: zope at zope.org
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Zope] Was Problem using nested dtml-in with zsql
>>
>> On Saturday 08 November 2008 06:21, Andreas Jung wrote:
>> > Any particular reason for using DTML instead of ZPT? DTML is dead.
>> Firstly let me say that I do not wish to relight the ZPT vs DTML argument,
>> only to make a few points.
>>
>> I find this an extraordinary attitude coming from someone so important to
>> this community. I am sure there are many developments out there relying on
>> DTML and I am also sure that the developers are earning a living from
>> those
>> developments. Will employers be happy that the technology used for their
>> sites is "dead" ? Will they continue to pay these developers?
>>
>> Can you give one reason why DTML is bad that is not based on personal
>> preference, presentation tools or the cognitive ability of developers to
>> understand where variables are coming from? Does it not work if used
>> properly?
>>
>> If someone comes to Zope and prefers to use DTML then let him, don't
>> criticise instead of help him. Zope is a fantastic piece of software,
>> however it is used, and its use should be encouraged.
>>
>> I prefer DTML and always have done and always will, no matter what this
>> list
>> says and I am sure there are many more like me. DTML is available and is
>> used, let's support it properly on this list.
>>
>> While I was learning Zope I had many questions, but I had to work most of
>> them out myself, not wanting to get lambasted again on this list for using
>> DTML.
>> If help was more forthcoming I'm sure that I would have learned more
>> quickly
>> rather than in relative isolation.
>>
>> Is the ZMI going to be re-written using ZPT?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Garry
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