[Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

Andreas Jung lists at zopyx.com
Fri Mar 6 10:19:49 CET 2015

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If it is not dead then call it a zombie...you know what I mean :)

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Jaroslav Lukesh wrote:
> Zope2 is not dead, it is mature product. I use it, I love it.
> Comunity is real small just now, because all what are discoverable,
> is discovered.
> Zope 2 download site is practically dead for many years, so more
> than 90% of products are not avaiable. This is the biggest problem
> because these products was very valuable, but now are in the limbus.
> There are no new products for Zope2 because comunity was ran to
> Zope3, which is impractical.
> The first big mistake is giving too much propagation to the ZPT/TAL 
> technology which is absolutelly not good for the zope masses. The
> second big mistake is run out to the Zope3, which is totally
> different in the idea and many peoples are gone away to the Java, PHP
> etc.
> Regards, JL.
> ----- Puvodní zpráva ----- Od: "Sebastian Tänzer" <st at taenzer.me>
>> we're still developing websites using Zope2 + ZMS3 
>> (www.zms-publishing.com) for years now and never ran into any real 
>> problems (compared to, let's say, Wordpress, typo3, Drupal etc.
>> which had serious security problems over the years) and our clients
>> are quite happy with ZMS.
>> A few days ago on a barcamp the discussion lead to Zope and the
>> usual comments, i.e. "Zope is dead", "I would not use that", "Too 
>> complicated", "Too old", "Outdated",.... and so on.
>> My personal opinion is, that Zope2 is still rock-solid and gets
>> the job done. I've never heard of any serious issues compared to
>> the big competitors from the PHP or Java world. I looked into
>> Pyramid and Django for different projects and always came back to
>> Zope2 itself.
>> I did not ask that question for quite some time now as there was
>> no reason. Sure, sometimes we get comments like "never heard of it"
>> etc., but nothing serious. Still, are there any specific reasons
>> (beside personal favors) not to use Zope2 anymore? Any reason not
>> to use Zope2 + ZODB for new projects? Are other frameworks like
>> flask, Django, pyramid etc. that much better compared to Zope?
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