[Zope3-Users] Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

[Peter Simmons]

Hi All,

I am pretty much an observer who has been to a sprint but just can't 
find the time in the commercial world to contribute to the code base but 
one who really believes in Zope 3 and have been using Zope 2 since its 
inception and convincing people that its a worthwhile framework while 
often getting frustrated with its magic and ways.

I agree with all the Joel's rant below was a great summary of the 
general discussion.

I would love to help with this and can organise some funding for 
people's time to putting this site together.

I haven't seen it before in the Zope 3 community but maybe we could 
start a thing on Fundable.org to get some money for this thing. Or would 
ZF be the place to approach about this? I am not really up with the play 
on where ZF is at and what its going to do.

Anyway my company could contribute $1000 NZD (about $700 USD at the 
moment) to this to get the ball rolling.

Should I try to organise this myself or is there already people 
responsible for this type of thing?

Cheers,
Pete

Joel Moxley wrote:

>>The Zope Foundation, which is probably coming pretty darn soon, might
>>help catalyze contributors a bit.  It will own the zope3.org domain,
>>the zope.org domain, and probably lots more, and all of the software.
>>
>>But before or after the foundation, I think small steps are more
>>likely to succeed than grand plans.  Someone writing an impressive
>>brochure-ware site about Zope 3 is going to be easier and more
>>impressive than trying to get folks to agree on a grand Zope 3
>>software site.  Someone assembling some of the word-smithing in this
>>thread might even generate a simple impressive advocacy *page* that
>>could be linked to from the front of zope.org.  I thought Joel's post
>>had some ring to it, for instance.  Whether or not we have a "Zope 3:
>>Rebel Angel" rename :-), it would be great to see Joel or Martin or
>>someone step up to put some advocacy out there.  If I can help with
>>trying to figure out who to ask for what, let me know.
>>    
>>
>
>As I see it, Zope 3's central marketing issue is the lack of a
>coherent online identity.  There needs to be a single place that
>answers the following questions:
>
>1) What is Zope 3?
>2) Why use Zope 3?
>3) How does Zope 3 compare to competing frameworks?
>4) How do I get started?
>
>Largely, this is assembly of the Zope 3 FrontPage, philikon's first
>two chapters, and the "appetizer" quick start guides on worldcookery. 
>However, I would also  love to see a section on the lead developers
>answering Q1-Q3.  And this would be in conjunction with conveying...
>
>Zope3's shtick:  Zope3 is not flashy.  Zope3 does not put pastel
>colors on its website. Zope3 is the no-nonsense, industrial strength
>platform.  It's where you come when you want to do it right.  It was
>coded with the most rigorous standards by a bunch of hard-nosed sons
>of bitches who don't have time for froofy marketing :).  And so forth.
> This would come across in lead dev's answering Q1-Q3.
>
>And finally, the site should demonstrate the "industrial strength"
>quality with examples.  Little snippets from developers of SchoolTool,
>corporate users, and so forth should demonstrate "hey, we're for real,
>and we don't mess around -- you give me an animated screenshots, I
>raise you a XYZ transaction per day uber site".  In a sense, we'd want
>to portray ourselves as the Chuck Norris[1] of web platforms :)
>
>Bottom line, a coherent online identity would go a long way.  Instead
>of doing some snazzy marketings, let's communicate the character that
>Zope3 does have.  It sounds like zope3.org under ZF might be the ideal
>way to do this,
>
>As for codenames, this is just one way we could help create a coherent
>online identity.  I certainly think release names would be fun (and
>not distracting to the central "Zope 3" brand we'd want).  Overall, I
>think the time has come for communication of Zope 3 identity to move
>hand in hand with development.
>
>Joel
>
>[1] For those not familiar with Chuck Norris, he's a no-nonsense
>martial arts guy and the subject of these very amusing "facts".
>http://www.4q.cc/chuck/index.php?topthirty
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