[Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?

[Carlos de la Guardia]

There certainly won't be a Zope 4, but if you liked Zope and prefer more
opinionated ways of doing things, you can take a look at SubstanceD, which
is one of Pyramid's full stack offerings and a tiny bit what Zope 4 could
have been.

http://substanced.net/

Carlos de la Guardia


On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Christopher Lozinski <
lozinski at freerecruiting.com> wrote:

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> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
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>  without citing the source
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> My Apologies.  Here it is.
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> http://slacy.com/blog/2011/02/why-im-unhappy-with-the-pyramid-web-framework/
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> I quote:
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> I’m having to read through the Pyramid source code trying to figure out
> what the heck is going on with configuration.
> At it’s heart, the problem with Pyramid is also what makes it great:  They
> don’t prescribe any one way to do anything.
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> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
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> > Worse yet that code has been optimized making it even harder to understand.
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> So much bullshit,
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> Well for this one, I will just quote from
> "Defending Pyramid's Design"
> presumably written by ChrisM himself.
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> http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/1.3-branch/designdefense.html
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>   "We optimize Pyramid aggressively. This comes at a cost: the core code
> has sections that could be expressed more readably. As an amelioration,
> we’ve commented these sections liberally."
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> And that is the author's presumably generous description.
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> So is ChrisM also a bullshitter?   Then I am in good company.
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> I really do have the highest respect for ChrisM, and Pyramid.  And I do
> think it is a valid choice to use a tool that keeps your options open.  But
> there is also a valid choice to have a certain way of doing things.   There
> is a philosophical difference between Grok and Pyramid, and it is important
> that someone points it out.  I think of Grok as more of a purist approach.
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> I like grok.
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> Thank you for encouraging a lively discussion.
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