[Grok-dev] ubuntu and installing Grok

Martijn Faassen faassen at startifact.com
Thu Jul 8 08:50:09 EDT 2010

Hi there,

I recently reinstalled my Ubuntu and I figured instead of installing 
virtualenv manually I'd install it through the ubuntu package manager.

And then whenever I started up Grok it would ask me for the following 

Speech Dispatcher configuration tool
Do you want to setup a completely new configuration? [yes] :

I'd seen that before; apparently Ubuntu installations by default come 
with a module speechd_config, and importing that module will trigger this.

But I was in a virtualenv with --no-site-packages and *still* seeing the 

I dug into it a little and it appears z3c.autoinclude triggers this 
problem when it thrawls through 'setuptools', which, because it's a 
dependency of python-virtualenv, also got installed by Ubuntu. 
Apparently z3c.autoinclude thinks it should look for zcml to include in 
all packages in the setuptools distribution, or something like that. I 
haven't dug any further yet. Hopefully a bug fix is possible in 

This does all lead us to a serious installation problem in Ubuntu; if 
you install virtualenv or, I think, setuptools, through the system 
package manager, you can't actually run Grok!



P.S. I wish buildout came with a release that provided real isolation 
from site-packages; not sure whether that would fix this issue, but the 
feature seems to be in limbo forever.

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