[Zope] Frustrated with Python and Frameworks. Zope, Grok, Django, CherryPy

Eric Bréhault ebrehault at gmail.com
Tue Nov 27 03:30:27 EST 2007


If you do not have time to program, and you want to build dynamic web sites,
maybe you could use Zope2 with Plone, and just use the existing Plone
products. Ok, you think "Plone is tooo much", but it should cover 99% of any
basic dynamic web site features.



On Nov 27, 2007 2:18 AM, Rene B <rb2.net at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm frustrated trying to select a python web framework. I've researched
> quite a
> few. CherryPy,Karrigell,Zope 2,3,Grok, Gluon,Django,Mod_Python. I've also
> looked at templating languages like Spyce, and Cheetah.
> I'm beginning to think there's nothing  out there  for a newbie python
> programmer like myself.  I'm a Network Admin  that likes programming but
> doesn't have the time to get really proficient at it.
> I selected Python as a language of choice and that's all I've used.  I've
> written a  few scripts .
> I'm interested in building dynamic web sites but I tell you  it's
> impossible to
> select a tool.
> I've researched all the tools mentioned above.  The most important thing
> in my
> decision is that I know some Python and want to use it to build the
> dynamic
> site. I don't want to learn a new language to do that. ZPT is a new
> language.
> Its not python.  Not even close.  Out of all the ones I've researched I
> like
> Zope 2 the best.  Not sure why. I want some thing easy.  I like DTML. It's
> easy. I know why ZPT has it's advantages but for ease of use it doesn't
> come
> close to DTML. Most people like me wont  be building complex web sites and
>  I'd
> be the only working on it meaning I'll do the HTML layout and code the
> dynamic
> portions of it. So I don't' need to worry about  an HTML editor getting
> confused with the dynamic languages  mixed in blah blah  blah.
> I'm afraid to learn Zope 2 because I have no idea what direction it's
> going in.
> Not to mention I don't particularly like ZPT. I've read DTML isn't going
> anywhere but I don't imagine I'll get much support  on it when needed and
> I'm
> sure people will be telling me to use ZPT cause DTML is dead.
> Funny, I read something while reading news about Grok's new plugins for
> any
> template language . They used Genshi as an example and talked about
> template
> languages and which one is better etc.. The bottom line was "use the one
> that
> you like".  So I wish people would stop putting down DTML or others over
> the
> one they prefer and continue to help those regardless of which they
> choose.
> Back to trying to choose. I think Django is too hard.  I like Mod_python
> with
> PSP. PSP seems to be more python like then anything I've seen. Yet
> Mod_Python
> has terrible docs for people like me and it doesn't seem to popular.
> The other frameworks have some good ideas. I like Karrigell but you just
> don't
> know how long it will be supported.Gluon is cool but its new.  Zope 3 is
> out of
> the question. Grok looks to me like  another CherryPy. It may be easier
> the
> Zope 3 but it's not easier then Zope 2. Plus I've yet to get it installed
> on my
> windows XP to play.
> I like cheetah as a tool. There docs are not that great and not many
> examples.
> Plus no auto generated content  like you get in Zope 2.  Yes some magic is
> good. The CRUD is what made Rails over rated to start out with.People like
> some
> magic. saves time.  Combining Cheetah and Zope sounds interesting to me.
> So what do I do. I like Zope 2. I can't find any books on it released
> after
> 2002. Plone is tooo much.
> There aren't any new products out for Zope 2 and the ones that are there
> haven't been touched for years.
> Zope 2 wiki seems dead.  I was looking the other day for some type of
>  auto
> CRUD for Zope 2. couldn't find  anyting. No one seems to be adding
> anything new
> to Zope 2 which scares me the most.
> If I take the time to learn a tool I want to make sure it's going to be
> around
> for awhile and have good support and new addons  being added all of the
> time to
> help me.
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